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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 15, 2021 17:52:10 GMT -5
Question for those in the area. Do houses generally have basements? I know some areas don't usually have houses with basements because they aren't usually needed. Did the candle factory not have one? Did that factor into the deaths as well? Here in the Midwest where tornadoes are normal, it's unusual for a house not to have one. Most businesses have floors underground too. I cannot speak for all homes in the mid-south but in my area most homes do not have basements which is due to our clay soil. Holds too much water and the basement cement has a hard time setting. I also live in what is called Dixie Alley (DA) which is separate from Tornado Alley (TA). Our tornadoes are different from TA too. Our tornadoes are often wrapped in heavy rain (moisture pulled up from the Gulf of Mexico). Our tornadoes also occur often in the evening/night versus daytime for TA. And while TA has more tornadoes on average each year than DA, DA has more deaths. The more deaths can be attributed to tornadoes hitting rural areas of the DA states and the people killed are often living in trailers on undevelooed land they own versus city residents.
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Question for those in the area. Do houses generally have basements? I know some areas don't usually have houses with basements because they aren't usually needed. Did the candle factory not have one? Did that factor into the deaths as well? Here in the Midwest where tornadoes are normal, it's unusual for a house not to have one. Most businesses have floors underground too. I cannot speak for all homes in the mid-south but in my area most homes do not have basements which is due to our clay soil. Holds too much water and the basement cement has a hard time setting. I also live in what is called Dixie Alley (DA) which is separate from Tornado Alley (TA). Our tornadoes are different from TA too. Our tornadoes are often wrapped in heavy rain (moisture pulled up from the Gulf of Mexico). Our tornadoes also occur often in the evening/night versus daytime for TA. And while TA has more tornadoes on average each year than DA, DA has more deaths. The more deaths can be attributed to tornadoes hitting rural areas of the DA states and the people killed are often living in trailers on undevelooed land they own versus city residents. I should’ve just waited and let you answer! You know more about this than I do and I’ve lived in the area my whole life. At least I was kind of right thinking that maybe the soil here was the reason basements aren’t common in the area. The real reason for the lack of skyscrapers might be due to a different issue with the soil here (I always assumed the issue was because downtown is so close to the river, and that might be way off base too), but it’s all soil issues lol.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 15, 2021 21:48:41 GMT -5
I cannot speak for all homes in the mid-south but in my area most homes do not have basements which is due to our clay soil. Holds too much water and the basement cement has a hard time setting. I also live in what is called Dixie Alley (DA) which is separate from Tornado Alley (TA). Our tornadoes are different from TA too. Our tornadoes are often wrapped in heavy rain (moisture pulled up from the Gulf of Mexico). Our tornadoes also occur often in the evening/night versus daytime for TA. And while TA has more tornadoes on average each year than DA, DA has more deaths. The more deaths can be attributed to tornadoes hitting rural areas of the DA states and the people killed are often living in trailers on undevelooed land they own versus city residents. I should’ve just waited and let you answer! You know more about this than I do and I’ve lived in the area my whole life. At least I was kind of right thinking that maybe the soil here was the reason basements aren’t common in the area. The real reason for the lack of skyscrapers might be due to a different issue with the soil here (I always assumed the issue was because downtown is so close to the river, and that might be way off base too), but it’s all soil issues lol. I grew up in a home with a full basement. Part of our basement was finished which included a piano and bar (parents partied a lot ). So it always interested me why few homes here have basements. I imagine some McMansions have them but middle class homes don't.
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Post by andi9899 on Dec 15, 2021 23:08:05 GMT -5
We have tornadoes on the regular during storm season since temperatures swing very hard from cool to warm. It's not unusual to visit here for a week and experience all 4 seasons. Almost all of our houses have basements. I only know one person that doesn't.
It's December and it was 73* today. It should be in the 30s if not colder. Tomorrow's high is 50. Saturday's is 36.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Dec 16, 2021 10:38:55 GMT -5
North of Tornado Alley. We have a basement and the garage floor and supporting walls would be our tornado escape. We have hit the basement a couple of times. It's not just the tornados. WY has had winds from 60 to 80 or more mph for a couple of months. The roads are frequently closed to travel because of the wind. 105 mph is an EF1 recorded in Westerville (don't know where that is). Now, 500,000 without power from CO to Michigan. Apocalypse from wind.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 16, 2021 10:53:27 GMT -5
Workers sue candle company, say it endangered them before tornado
Mayfield, Kentucky — Several workers injured when a candle factory here was decimated by a tornado Friday night are suing the candle maker, reports CBS Louisville affiliate WLKY-TV. One of the attorneys representing the survivors calls the factory "a modern-day sweatshop." The suit, filed Tuesday, claims that as tornado warnings came in, employees were told they'd be fired if they left the Mayfield Consumer Products factory. The lawsuit also alleges serious violations of worker safety laws and a massive cover-up scheme intended to protect the company. Its representatives are denying the claims. A spokesman for the company insisted that employees were free to leave anytime, according to The Associated Press. Governor Andy Beshear says his office will thoroughly investigate the factory, since it's required to investigate any workplace deaths. Eight people were killed by the twister. Complete article here: Workers sue candle company, say it endangered them before tornado
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Post by Opti on Dec 17, 2021 11:26:37 GMT -5
A happier link. If I was retired with enough funding, it might be something I'd like to do. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pets-displaced-by-kentucky-tornado-find-safe-haven-in-local-shelter/ar-AARTKDX?ocid=msedgntpMAYFIELD, Ky. (Reuters) - As survivors of the tornado that tore through Mayfield, Kentucky, last week come to grips with their losses, the Humane Society is focused on other victims: cats and dogs still inside destroyed houses or hiding under porches and bushes.
Early on Thursday, several four-wheel-drive vehicles of the Humane Society of the United States left a budget motel in nearby Calvert City and headed off in three directions, looking for strays and hoping to reunite them with their owners.
"Sadly, a lot of people have died in their homes here, and what they're going to end up doing is just bulldozing this place," said Kitty Block, the Humane Society's chief executive, who headed to Mayfield.
"Cats are hiding in the eaves. They are under the porches. They are inside the houses. They are under the bush in the back, and we just want to get them before this happens."
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 18, 2021 7:15:58 GMT -5
I live in Mayfield. We had plenty of warning as to the severity of the storm. Many employees at the candle factory had warnings from their phones, from both the NSW and friends and family. Our local station was covering the situation closely, too. so there was time to have let people leave. The company is categorically denying claims made by employees stating they would be fired for leaving. Several ugly stories are coming out about this company. Without getting on my soapbox, just let me say—believe the employees. I sheltered in my safe place at home and was texting with my daughters throughout. Neither live in Mayfield. At one point the storm was slated to make a direct hit where I live. At the last minute it tracked north by about a mile which is when Mayfield was in the line of fire. I have been in many tornado-type events and while I’m respectful of them, Friday night is the only time I fully expecting to die or be injured. That sounds like hysterics talking, but it’s the God’s honest truth. I’m still amazed that my neighbors and I were spared. I have power back but never lost water. Internet is out for quite awhile longer but that’s scarcely worth mentioning! My hometown is destroyed in the downtown. Historic buildings are demolished or severely damaged. I saw a bit of it Sunday and the videos don’t hold a candle to seeing it in person. it’s a blue eyed miracle that the death toll is not higher. From what I am hearing Mayfield is the town receiving the most attention but many, many other towns are in bad shape, too. I am a constant reader but very rare poster. I have WiFi while my van is being worked on—because OF COURSE that happens now. Lol—and saw this thread and felt the need to say something. And FWIW, I’m a big fan of Governor Beshear, too. His fans affectionally call him Uncle Andy. Lol!Glad you are okay! It's still unimaginable the storm of that magnitude. KY really dodged a bullet electing Gov Beshear, we'd probably be worse off than FL with the COVID crises if Bevins had been reelected. I was never so shocked he won given Trump campaigning for Bevins. See, it can be done, people just have to get mad enough at the bullshit they sprew and get out and vote!
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 18, 2021 10:22:44 GMT -5
Question for those in the area. Do houses generally have basements? I know some areas don't usually have houses with basements because they aren't usually needed. Did the candle factory not have one? Did that factor into the deaths as well? Here in the Midwest where tornadoes are normal, it's unusual for a house not to have one. Most businesses have floors underground too. I’m in a state south of Kentucky and most people here do not have basements because you don’t have to dig far down to get the footings below the frost line like you do up north. I’ve lived in the GA/TN area since 1982 and previously, tornadoes were less severe and less frequent in the area where I live now. (I briefly lived around Memphis where the land is very flat and tornados were more frequent but in East TN they were more rare.) In the last decade, however, tornados have become more frequent and stronger. This is a problem in areas with few basements. Our community just this year build a community storm shelter- the first ever. After our house was struck by a tornado in 2011, DH and I are looking at building a tornado resistant home fore retirement, because I think with global warming the problem will just get worse. I suspect Kentucky is in their same boat. And the big metal warehouses do not do well in tornados, but frankly, not much can survive a tornado passing directly over them. If the workers were at home and the tornado struck there, they would be dead, too.
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Mayfield candle factory will close and more than 250 workers are being laid off after Kentucky tornado(CNN)The Mayfield, Kentucky, candle factory leveled by a tornado last month is shutting down and 251 employees are being laid off, a company official said. More than 100 people were working at the Mayfield Consumer Products (MCP) factory on December 10 when the tornado hit, killing eight people and making it one of the most devastated sites in an outbreak of at least 30 tornadoes across six states in the Midwest and South. The facility had been "going 24/7" in part to meet Christmastime candle demand, US Rep. James Comer, who represents the area, told CNN at the time. In a letter this week to Kentucky's Office of Employer and Apprenticeship Services, the candle factory plant manager said that the company, "has determined that because of the recent devastating tornado ... it can no longer continue to operate." "Although it can no longer operate in Mayfield, please know that MCP plans to continue much of its operation in Kentucky," the letter continues. The company plans to transfer some of the affected employees to another location about 10 miles away, but it can't relocate everyone, the letter said. "Those employees not offered a transfer to the new facility will be laid off," the letter reads. A total of 501 people worked at the candle factory, and 250 of those jobs are being transferred, according to the letter. The rest of the workers are being laid off, the letter said. Mayfield candle factory will close and more than 250 workers are being laid off after Kentucky tornado
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Post by Opti on Jan 15, 2022 22:07:18 GMT -5
Mayfield candle factory will close and more than 250 workers are being laid off after Kentucky tornado(CNN)The Mayfield, Kentucky, candle factory leveled by a tornado last month is shutting down and 251 employees are being laid off, a company official said. More than 100 people were working at the Mayfield Consumer Products (MCP) factory on December 10 when the tornado hit, killing eight people and making it one of the most devastated sites in an outbreak of at least 30 tornadoes across six states in the Midwest and South. The facility had been "going 24/7" in part to meet Christmastime candle demand, US Rep. James Comer, who represents the area, told CNN at the time. In a letter this week to Kentucky's Office of Employer and Apprenticeship Services, the candle factory plant manager said that the company, "has determined that because of the recent devastating tornado ... it can no longer continue to operate." "Although it can no longer operate in Mayfield, please know that MCP plans to continue much of its operation in Kentucky," the letter continues. The company plans to transfer some of the affected employees to another location about 10 miles away, but it can't relocate everyone, the letter said. "Those employees not offered a transfer to the new facility will be laid off," the letter reads. A total of 501 people worked at the candle factory, and 250 of those jobs are being transferred, according to the letter. The rest of the workers are being laid off, the letter said. Mayfield candle factory will close and more than 250 workers are being laid off after Kentucky tornado That sucks. That's a lot of people who will need a job. I guess no plans to rebuild.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 16, 2022 12:25:37 GMT -5
The fact that anyone who believes that nutcase has the intelligence to breath air is shocking. Maybe we should have to pass an intelligence test to vote. as a rational person, i have wondered often WHY. the answer that comes back is that it is easier for them to believe there is some sort of ORDER to the universe than the CHAOS that actually exists. in other words, using Sandy Hook as an example, it is easier for them to believe that nobody died and the whole thing is a government backed lie than some troubled kid shot up his neighborhood school using weapons that were loose around the house. here is my dilemma: if you are going to choose a conspiracy, why HIM? i mean, there are thousands of nicer things you could thing- things that are far less troubling. why THAT? THAT is what i don't get. are people so...well, for lack of a better term- STUPID- that they can't come up with anything better?
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Post by tallguy on Jan 16, 2022 12:34:45 GMT -5
The fact that anyone who believes that nutcase has the intelligence to breath air is shocking. Maybe we should have to pass an intelligence test to vote. as a rational person, i have wondered often WHY. the answer that comes back is that it is easier for them to believe there is some sort of ORDER to the universe than the CHAOS that actually exists. in other words, using Sandy Hook as an example, it is easier for them to believe that nobody died and the whole thing is a government backed lie than some troubled kid shot up his neighborhood school using weapons that were loose around the house. here is my dilemma: if you are going to choose a conspiracy, why HIM? i mean, there are thousands of nicer things you could thing- things that are far less troubling. why THAT? THAT is what i don't get. are people so...well, for lack of a better term- STUPID- that they can't come up with anything better? You REALLY have to ask that?? Most of the world is stupid in some way. Much of the world is stupid in a lot of ways. That is why people like Jones, Carlson, and their ilk can have an audience and why people like Trump get elected.
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Post by Opti on Jan 16, 2022 12:38:36 GMT -5
The fact that anyone who believes that nutcase has the intelligence to breath air is shocking. Maybe we should have to pass an intelligence test to vote. as a rational person, i have wondered often WHY. the answer that comes back is that it is easier for them to believe there is some sort of ORDER to the universe than the CHAOS that actually exists. in other words, using Sandy Hook as an example, it is easier for them to believe that nobody died and the whole thing is a government backed lie than some troubled kid shot up his neighborhood school using weapons that were loose around the house.here is my dilemma: if you are going to choose a conspiracy, why HIM? i mean, there are thousands of nicer things you could thing- things that are far less troubling. why THAT? THAT is what i don't get. are people so...well, for lack of a better term- STUPID- that they can't come up with anything better? As a rational person, I don't understand why some wacked out conspiracy makes more sense than the truth. There are horrible people out there. There will always be horrible people as long as there are enough people. All you can do is try to limit the damage that they do. Getting into all the drama of false flag operations and all the nonsense some of these people believe, makes no sense to me. For them, there's the ever expanding overhead of lies they need to keep track of. Why? Too much work IMO and since I don't like being afraid, it holds no compelling value to me as a person either. Right now, it feels like there is a rash of people shooting food service workers and doing really bad stuff for no good reason. Some emotionally disturbed individual in NYC (known to the police, so I am using their words) pushed a woman in front of an oncoming train and got her killed. Not only is there a dead person that didn't need to be dead we have a train operator traumatized because they had no way to avoid killing this person. Shit happens. The adult thing is to deal with things as they are. I still think one of the areas of research that desperately needs to happen is understanding reactions of people controlled mostly by emotions contrasted with those who use far more logic. Understanding can stem this nonsense. Doing what we have been, has not.
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Post by Opti on Jan 16, 2022 12:43:10 GMT -5
as a rational person, i have wondered often WHY. the answer that comes back is that it is easier for them to believe there is some sort of ORDER to the universe than the CHAOS that actually exists. in other words, using Sandy Hook as an example, it is easier for them to believe that nobody died and the whole thing is a government backed lie than some troubled kid shot up his neighborhood school using weapons that were loose around the house. here is my dilemma: if you are going to choose a conspiracy, why HIM? i mean, there are thousands of nicer things you could thing- things that are far less troubling. why THAT? THAT is what i don't get. are people so...well, for lack of a better term- STUPID- that they can't come up with anything better? You REALLY have to ask that?? Most of the world is stupid in some way. Much of the world is stupid in a lot of ways. That is why people like Jones, Carlson, and their ilk can have an audience and why people like Trump get elected. I think this needs to be studied. One of my sibs and someone I rented from loved horror movies. Both were more driven by their emotions than I am. And having worked with someone who had some Trump like qualities, it opened my eyes to things I never thought about before. I rarely if ever got this co-worker to listen to reason. In fact, the emotional tension in her seemed to boil up and she felt compelled to do something. Now. And over and over until whatever emotional voice quieted. They did many stupid things but labeling her as stupid I think misses the reasons she acted as she did. That's what I would like to understand better, and I think for the sake of America, it would be helpful if we all understood it better.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 16, 2022 12:53:59 GMT -5
as a rational person, i have wondered often WHY. the answer that comes back is that it is easier for them to believe there is some sort of ORDER to the universe than the CHAOS that actually exists. in other words, using Sandy Hook as an example, it is easier for them to believe that nobody died and the whole thing is a government backed lie than some troubled kid shot up his neighborhood school using weapons that were loose around the house. here is my dilemma: if you are going to choose a conspiracy, why HIM? i mean, there are thousands of nicer things you could thing- things that are far less troubling. why THAT? THAT is what i don't get. are people so...well, for lack of a better term- STUPID- that they can't come up with anything better? You REALLY have to ask that?? Most of the world is stupid in some way. Much of the world is stupid in a lot of ways. That is why people like Jones, Carlson, and their ilk can have an audience and why people like Trump get elected. yeah, TG, i REALLY DO. the reason is that a five year old can come up with a more HOPEFUL vision of what is going on than these jackasses. i just really don't get it at all. how can 50-100M Americans fall for this bullshit? there is such great mythology out there. even crazy ass mythology. the Greek shit is nuts. but it is way more hopeful than having a bunch of baby eating lizard people soliciting ballots from China to throw the election away from the Great One, and the government making a dramumentary about a school getting shot up as a prelude to taking our AR-15's. i mean.....REALLY. no 5 year old would EVER create something that nightmarish.
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You REALLY have to ask that?? Most of the world is stupid in some way. Much of the world is stupid in a lot of ways. That is why people like Jones, Carlson, and their ilk can have an audience and why people like Trump get elected. yeah, TG, i REALLY DO. the reason is that a five year old can come up with a more HOPEFUL vision of what is going on than these jackasses. i just really don't get it at all. how can 50-100M Americans fall for this bullshit? there is such great mythology out there. even crazy ass mythology. the Greek shit is nuts. but it is way more hopeful than having a bunch of baby eating lizard people soliciting ballots from China to throw the election away from the Great One, and the government making a dramumentary about a school getting shot up as a prelude to taking our AR-15's. i mean.....REALLY. no 5 year old would EVER create something that nightmarish. Yeah, but a five-year-old has not learned how to be truly stupid yet. That ability has to be absorbed from stupid adults.
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Post by Opti on Jan 16, 2022 13:07:14 GMT -5
yeah, TG, i REALLY DO. the reason is that a five year old can come up with a more HOPEFUL vision of what is going on than these jackasses. i just really don't get it at all. how can 50-100M Americans fall for this bullshit? there is such great mythology out there. even crazy ass mythology. the Greek shit is nuts. but it is way more hopeful than having a bunch of baby eating lizard people soliciting ballots from China to throw the election away from the Great One, and the government making a dramumentary about a school getting shot up as a prelude to taking our AR-15's. i mean.....REALLY. no 5 year old would EVER create something that nightmarish. Yeah, but a five-year-old has not learned how to be truly stupid yet. That ability has to be absorbed from stupid adults. Some of it is native wiring and some of it is things absorbed while growing up. We are going to get degrees of people run by their emotions possibly until no more people are born. Don't you think it makes sense to understand them?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 16, 2022 13:28:12 GMT -5
yeah, TG, i REALLY DO. the reason is that a five year old can come up with a more HOPEFUL vision of what is going on than these jackasses. i just really don't get it at all. how can 50-100M Americans fall for this bullshit? there is such great mythology out there. even crazy ass mythology. the Greek shit is nuts. but it is way more hopeful than having a bunch of baby eating lizard people soliciting ballots from China to throw the election away from the Great One, and the government making a dramumentary about a school getting shot up as a prelude to taking our AR-15's. i mean.....REALLY. no 5 year old would EVER create something that nightmarish. Yeah, but a five-year-old has not learned how to be truly stupid yet. That ability has to be absorbed from stupid adults. ah yes. the slow drip drip drip of time and adulthood. but shouldn't that make our myths MORE hopeful? why are we so cynical? so paranoid? did our parents abuse us?
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Post by tallguy on Jan 16, 2022 13:30:10 GMT -5
Yeah, but a five-year-old has not learned how to be truly stupid yet. That ability has to be absorbed from stupid adults. Some of it is native wiring and some of it is things absorbed while growing up. We are going to get degrees of people run by their emotions possibly until no more people are born. Don't you think it makes sense to understand them? Not really, and certainly not on a personal level for me. How does one logically examine illogic? Rules don't apply, and you can't make them apply. For me it makes far more sense to simply dismiss them. Life is too short to voluntarily sign up for that degree of aggravation.
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Post by Opti on Jan 16, 2022 13:33:05 GMT -5
Some of it is native wiring and some of it is things absorbed while growing up. We are going to get degrees of people run by their emotions possibly until no more people are born. Don't you think it makes sense to understand them? Not really, and certainly not on a personal level for me. How does one logically examine illogic? Rules don't apply, and you can't make them apply. For me it makes far more sense to simply dismiss them. Life is too short to voluntarily sign up for that degree of aggravation. I am currently jobless in large part because an emotional thinker fired me. I personally try to improve and be more prepared every day. Avoiding half of the population is not going to work for me. YMMV.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 16, 2022 13:33:09 GMT -5
Yeah, but a five-year-old has not learned how to be truly stupid yet. That ability has to be absorbed from stupid adults. ah yes. the slow drip drip drip of time and adulthood. but shouldn't that make our myths MORE hopeful?why are we so cynical? so paranoid? did our parents abuse us? Depends on who and what your influences are, doesn't it?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 16, 2022 13:33:22 GMT -5
as a rational person, i have wondered often WHY. the answer that comes back is that it is easier for them to believe there is some sort of ORDER to the universe than the CHAOS that actually exists. in other words, using Sandy Hook as an example, it is easier for them to believe that nobody died and the whole thing is a government backed lie than some troubled kid shot up his neighborhood school using weapons that were loose around the house.here is my dilemma: if you are going to choose a conspiracy, why HIM? i mean, there are thousands of nicer things you could thing- things that are far less troubling. why THAT? THAT is what i don't get. are people so...well, for lack of a better term- STUPID- that they can't come up with anything better? As a rational person, I don't understand why some wacked out conspiracy makes more sense than the truth. There are horrible people out there. There will always be horrible people as long as there are enough people. All you can do is try to limit the damage that they do. Getting into all the drama of false flag operations and all the nonsense some of these people believe, makes no sense to me. For them, there's the ever expanding overhead of lies they need to keep track of. Why? Too much work IMO and since I don't like being afraid, it holds no compelling value to me as a person either. Right now, it feels like there is a rash of people shooting food service workers and doing really bad stuff for no good reason. Some emotionally disturbed individual in NYC (known to the police, so I am using their words) pushed a woman in front of an oncoming train and got her killed. Not only is there a dead person that didn't need to be dead we have a train operator traumatized because they had no way to avoid killing this person. Shit happens. The adult thing is to deal with things as they are. I still think one of the areas of research that desperately needs to happen is understanding reactions of people controlled mostly by emotions contrasted with those who use far more logic. Understanding can stem this nonsense. Doing what we have been, has not. this is another thing, isn't it? with all that to keep track of, it must crowd out things like the enjoyment of food. or good company. or a pleasant piece of music. that world must vanish into oblivion. and the world that replaces it is full of nightmares. this seems totally "anti-life" to me. you have no life in that space. if you think life is worth living, that is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 16, 2022 13:36:27 GMT -5
ah yes. the slow drip drip drip of time and adulthood. but shouldn't that make our myths MORE hopeful?why are we so cynical? so paranoid? did our parents abuse us? Depends on who and what your influences are, doesn't it? ok, here i go on another tirade. the INTERNET. we can find the most beautiful dreams on the internet. we literally have ALL OF HISTORY there. we can imagine a wonderful world- full of great people that are doing battle against assholes like Trump. or, we can spiral down into an imagined land of lizard people feasting on children. WHY DO WE CHOOSE THE LIZARDS? we have EVERY opportunity to choose something more hopeful. WHY CHOOSE A NIGHTMARE? this conversation sounds like my internal dialog for the last five years.......
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Post by tallguy on Jan 16, 2022 13:50:31 GMT -5
Depends on who and what your influences are, doesn't it? ok, here i go on another tirade. the INTERNET. we can find the most beautiful dreams on the internet. we literally have ALL OF HISTORY there. we can imagine a wonderful world- full of great people that are doing battle against assholes like Trump. or, we can spiral down into an imagined land of lizard people feasting on children. WHY DO WE CHOOSE THE LIZARDS? we have EVERY opportunity to choose something more hopeful. WHY CHOOSE A NIGHTMARE? this conversation sounds like my internal dialog for the last five years....... Because, as someone once said, "Most of the world is stupid in some way. Much of the world is stupid in a lot of ways." Does this seem circular yet?
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Post by Opti on Jan 16, 2022 14:19:11 GMT -5
Depends on who and what your influences are, doesn't it? ok, here i go on another tirade. the INTERNET. we can find the most beautiful dreams on the internet. we literally have ALL OF HISTORY there. we can imagine a wonderful world- full of great people that are doing battle against assholes like Trump. or, we can spiral down into an imagined land of lizard people feasting on children. WHY DO WE CHOOSE THE LIZARDS? we have EVERY opportunity to choose something more hopeful. WHY CHOOSE A NIGHTMARE? this conversation sounds like my internal dialog for the last five years....... I don't choose LIZARDS (well maybe bearded dragons ...). The Q is why do some people choose to believe in Lizard people? Not sure. But people who choose to believe in lizard people spend much of their time in fear, worrying about protecting themselves. Hence the love of horror films and the belief that the military budget could never be too large. MLK had a dream. He didn't choose lizard people and neither do I.
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Post by Opti on Jan 16, 2022 14:21:32 GMT -5
Side note - Trump can't envision a world where he doesn't have to scrap for what he has. So that's why he is always seeking out enemies and attacking them. It is foreign to him that he could create a world of more and more allies where more people get what they want. Not just the few.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 16, 2022 15:32:38 GMT -5
ok, here i go on another tirade. the INTERNET. we can find the most beautiful dreams on the internet. we literally have ALL OF HISTORY there. we can imagine a wonderful world- full of great people that are doing battle against assholes like Trump. or, we can spiral down into an imagined land of lizard people feasting on children. WHY DO WE CHOOSE THE LIZARDS? we have EVERY opportunity to choose something more hopeful. WHY CHOOSE A NIGHTMARE? this conversation sounds like my internal dialog for the last five years....... Because, as someone once said, "Most of the world is stupid in some way. Much of the world is stupid in a lot of ways." Does this seem circular yet? but it is just as stupid to believe happy stuff that is complete bullshit. i don't think you are understanding my question. if it is just as easy to obsess and wormhole on happy stuff why do we ALWAYS choose to obsess on stuff that makes us afraid and miserable? or is it not us?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 16, 2022 15:34:23 GMT -5
ok, here i go on another tirade. the INTERNET. we can find the most beautiful dreams on the internet. we literally have ALL OF HISTORY there. we can imagine a wonderful world- full of great people that are doing battle against assholes like Trump. or, we can spiral down into an imagined land of lizard people feasting on children. WHY DO WE CHOOSE THE LIZARDS? we have EVERY opportunity to choose something more hopeful. WHY CHOOSE A NIGHTMARE? this conversation sounds like my internal dialog for the last five years....... I don't choose LIZARDS (well maybe bearded dragons ...). The Q is why do some people choose to believe in Lizard people? Not sure. But people who choose to believe in lizard people spend much of their time in fear, worrying about protecting themselves. Hence the love of horror films and the belief that the military budget could never be too large. MLK had a dream. He didn't choose lizard people and neither do I. right- but WHY? there must be some biological reason. maybe survival or something? i am just confused by it.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 16, 2022 16:10:57 GMT -5
Because, as someone once said, "Most of the world is stupid in some way. Much of the world is stupid in a lot of ways." Does this seem circular yet? but it is just as stupid to believe happy stuff that is complete bullshit. i don't think you are understanding my question. if it is just as easy to obsess and wormhole on happy stuff why do we ALWAYS choose to obsess on stuff that makes us afraid and miserable? or is it not us? I'll refer back to another earlier response, "How does one logically examine illogic? Rules don't apply, and you can't make them apply." Rational, intelligent, well-adjusted people do not do what you are observing. Irrational, unintelligent, maladjusted people do. Unfortunately, we have far too many of those, but I see little benefit in trying to understand that level of nonsense and stupidity. Happy stuff is not a motivator. Fear is a motivator. Anger is a motivator. Appeal strongly enough to either of those and rational thought disappears, even for those who were otherwise capable of rational thought in the first place. Not everybody is. I have since I was a little kid been ruled by logic, and have long said that I, "never let emotion get in the way of making a good decision." If fear or anger ever arise I will note its presence, dismiss its influence, and make my decision. I also know who and what I am, and have a good understanding of the world around me. Would I ever fall for any of the nonsense found out there, or go down any of those rabbit holes? Not in a million years. It also helps that I am comfortable standing up for what I believe or know to be right even if I am the only one on that side. I have no need to ever be drawn to a group for support, so am never drawn in that way. Do I find it necessary to dismiss a lot of people, or at least their opinions? Absolutely. Not everybody's voice is worth listening to, even if all you are trying to do is "understand" it.
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