Opinion piece on catching Covid this TG

[Opti]

www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/you-might-get-covid-this-thanksgiving-that-s-not-a-moral-failing/ar-AAR3AGq?ocid=msedgntp


We are, of course, trying to avoid getting COVID, though things will likely go OK, for us, if we do. My 3-year-old isn’t vaccinated, but the risks to him are very low. Everyone else in the family is vaccinated, and the risks posed by breakthrough infections are less certain but still low. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data from September reveals a vaccinated person has something like a 1 in 25,000 chance of being hospitalized due to COVID—with those odds much higher for the elderly and medically vulnerable and much lower for the young and healthy. For now, it appears that for many people breakthrough infections are real but weather-able. Yes, long COVID is still a concern, but there’s emerging evidence that vaccines could reduce the risk of developing the condition by up to half (though the science is far from settled).

What you do on Thanksgiving, and after, can still affect those more vulnerable groups. “People should know that gathering inside with groups, even if you know everyone, is still high risk,” Julia Raifman, a professor of health law, policy, and management at Boston University School of Public Health, told me—even if everyone is vaccinated. If a vaccinated person brings the virus to Thanksgiving, they do have a decent chance of transmitting it to others, given the close quarters of intimate holiday gatherings. In these settings, the effectiveness at preventing transmission—even to other vaccinated people—could be as low as 34 percent (thanks, delta). And then people involved in the gathering will go back to their friend groups, child care setups, and workplaces, potentially spreading the virus further. What this means is that widespread holiday gatherings, even among vaccinated families, will contribute to winter caseloads and—this is the part that really matters—put vulnerable populations in danger.

Interesting opinion. 

[haapai]

The author of this piece is young and hopefully lives somewhere where hospitals are still admitting patients.

Three weeks ago, both of the hospitals in my city stopped admitting new patients.  They couldn't turn people away from the emergency room, but they couldn't exactly treat those folks either.  There are now many, many patients in hallways with unknown waiting times for treatment. 

I heard this on the radio and immediately turned my car around and got my first flu shot in a decade.  I think that keeping my ass out of a hospital is a moral imperative right now.  The same goes for not transmitting anything communicable.  The hospitals in my area are beyond capacity.  The staff are exhausted and there is no relief in sight.  Keeping my butt out of a hospital bed and doing the simple stuff to make sure that I'm not the reason why anyone else is clamoring for scarce/rationed/triaged care is a moral imperative for me. 

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 24, 2021 19:09:26 GMT -5 haapai said:

The author of this piece is young and hopefully lives somewhere where hospitals are still admitting patients.

Three weeks ago, both of the hospitals in my city stopped admitting new patients.  They couldn't turn people away from the emergency room, but they couldn't exactly treat those folks either.  There are now many, many patients in hallways with unknown waiting times for treatment. 

I heard this on the radio and immediately turned my car around and got my first flu shot in a decade.  I think that keeping my ass out of a hospital is a moral imperative right now.  The same goes for not transmitting anything communicable.  The hospitals in my area are beyond capacity.  The staff are exhausted and there is no relief in sight.  Keeping my butt out of a hospital bed and doing the simple stuff to make sure that I'm not the reason why anyone else is clamoring for scarce/rationed/triaged care is a moral imperative for me. 

I'm not sure I told my story here but I dealt with a hospital being at full capacity in September.  I had surgery in July and by early September it was clear my breast was infected.  I went to the ER on a Wed night and waited 5 hours to be seen.  As I was in the lobby waiting, there were periodic announcements that they were at capacity.  I was seen by a resident, he at first wanted to admit me but then gave me antibiotics and sent me home. 


Saturday night, it was worse so back to the ER i went.  I waited NINE hours to be seen at the ER.  It was determined almost immediately that I need to be admitted for IV antibiotics.  I sat in the ER another 25 hours, part of that time I was in the hallway, waiting for a room to open up.  

Our cases are now double what they were when this happened.  I honestly can't imagine what it is like now. It is so scary to think about needing care and it not being available.  

[dondub]

Nov 26, 2021 13:23:53 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 24, 2021 19:09:26 GMT -5 haapai said:

The author of this piece is young and hopefully lives somewhere where hospitals are still admitting patients.

Three weeks ago, both of the hospitals in my city stopped admitting new patients.  They couldn't turn people away from the emergency room, but they couldn't exactly treat those folks either.  There are now many, many patients in hallways with unknown waiting times for treatment. 

I heard this on the radio and immediately turned my car around and got my first flu shot in a decade.  I think that keeping my ass out of a hospital is a moral imperative right now.  The same goes for not transmitting anything communicable.  The hospitals in my area are beyond capacity.  The staff are exhausted and there is no relief in sight.  Keeping my butt out of a hospital bed and doing the simple stuff to make sure that I'm not the reason why anyone else is clamoring for scarce/rationed/triaged care is a moral imperative for me. 

I'm not sure I told my story here but I dealt with a hospital being at full capacity in September.  I had surgery in July and by early September it was clear my breast was infected.  I went to the ER on a Wed night and waited 5 hours to be seen.  As I was in the lobby waiting, there were periodic announcements that they were at capacity.  I was seen by a resident, he at first wanted to admit me but then gave me antibiotics and sent me home. 


Saturday night, it was worse so back to the ER i went.  I waited NINE hours to be seen at the ER.  It was determined almost immediately that I need to be admitted for IV antibiotics.  I sat in the ER another 25 hours, part of that time I was in the hallway, waiting for a room to open up.  

Our cases are now double what they were when this happened.  I honestly can't imagine what it is like now. It is so scary to think about needing care and it not being available.  

Here’s wishing all turned out well with remission and defeat of the infection.👍🏻

[busymom]

Hospitals are full here.  We're not risking anything at this point.  Yes, it's hard NOT to see extended family, but we've already lost 2 to Covid in our extended family, and a number of others have survived the illness, so, a definite NO to visiting family for another holiday season.  Sadly, we've also got some hardcore anti-vaxxers in the family.  

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 26, 2021 14:03:27 GMT -5 dondub said:

Nov 26, 2021 13:23:53 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I'm not sure I told my story here but I dealt with a hospital being at full capacity in September.  I had surgery in July and by early September it was clear my breast was infected.  I went to the ER on a Wed night and waited 5 hours to be seen.  As I was in the lobby waiting, there were periodic announcements that they were at capacity.  I was seen by a resident, he at first wanted to admit me but then gave me antibiotics and sent me home. 


Saturday night, it was worse so back to the ER i went.  I waited NINE hours to be seen at the ER.  It was determined almost immediately that I need to be admitted for IV antibiotics.  I sat in the ER another 25 hours, part of that time I was in the hallway, waiting for a room to open up.  

Our cases are now double what they were when this happened.  I honestly can't imagine what it is like now. It is so scary to think about needing care and it not being available.  

Here’s wishing all turned out well with remission and defeat of the infection.👍🏻

That is very kind. Thank you very much.

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 26, 2021 14:27:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

Hospitals are full here.  We're not risking anything at this point.  Yes, it's hard NOT to see extended family, but we've already lost 2 to Covid in our extended family, and a number of others have survived the illness, so, a definite NO to visiting family for another holiday season.  Sadly, we've also got some hardcore anti-vaxxers in the family.  

It’s so hard to deal with family that I love
That are hard core anti-vaxxers. I just lost a 52 year old second cousin (I was not close) who was a hard core anti-vaxxer. My dad begged his dad and him to get vaccinated in august when he was in for my wedding. He laughed at him and called him a sheep. A couple weeks later he was on a vent. I feel like a bad person but I had no sympathy for him. I was still in the hospital after my marathon wait for a bed because of idiots like him.

[billisonboard]

Nov 26, 2021 19:39:04 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 26, 2021 14:27:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

Hospitals are full here.  We're not risking anything at this point.  Yes, it's hard NOT to see extended family, but we've already lost 2 to Covid in our extended family, and a number of others have survived the illness, so, a definite NO to visiting family for another holiday season.  Sadly, we've also got some hardcore anti-vaxxers in the family.  

It’s so hard to deal with family that I love
That are hard core anti-vaxxers. I just lost a 52 year old second cousin (I was not close) who was a hard core anti-vaxxer. My dad begged his dad and him to get vaccinated in august when he was in for my wedding. He laughed at him and called him a sheep. A couple weeks later he was on a vent. I feel like a bad person but I had no sympathy for him. I was still in the hospital after my marathon wait for a bed because of idiots like him.

[Deleted]

Nov 26, 2021 21:04:13 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 26, 2021 19:39:04 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

It’s so hard to deal with family that I love
That are hard core anti-vaxxers. I just lost a 52 year old second cousin (I was not close) who was a hard core anti-vaxxer. My dad begged his dad and him to get vaccinated in august when he was in for my wedding. He laughed at him and called him a sheep. A couple weeks later he was on a vent. I feel like a bad person but I had no sympathy for him. I was still in the hospital after my marathon wait for a bed because of idiots like him.

Ooh wee! I’m not proud of it, but this hits home for me….. I don’t like half the folks I love.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 26, 2021 19:39:04 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 26, 2021 14:27:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

Hospitals are full here.  We're not risking anything at this point.  Yes, it's hard NOT to see extended family, but we've already lost 2 to Covid in our extended family, and a number of others have survived the illness, so, a definite NO to visiting family for another holiday season.  Sadly, we've also got some hardcore anti-vaxxers in the family.  

It’s so hard to deal with family that I love
That are hard core anti-vaxxers. I just lost a 52 year old second cousin (I was not close) who was a hard core anti-vaxxer. My dad begged his dad and him to get vaccinated in august when he was in for my wedding. He laughed at him and called him a sheep. A couple weeks later he was on a vent. I feel like a bad person but I had no sympathy for him. I was still in the hospital after my marathon wait for a bed because of idiots like him.

don't feel badly for him.

when a person gets in a brawl with a cop, KNOWING that the law and brute force are on the side of the cop, does ANYONE feel sorry for them?  of course not.

when a person blithely ignores all of the facts at their disposal, and exposes themselves to the risk of getting Covid, they are owed NOTHING in terms of sympathy, except for perhaps for their foolishness.  certainly not for their lives.  such people are a danger not only to themselves, but to everyone connected with them.

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 27, 2021 14:17:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 26, 2021 19:39:04 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

It’s so hard to deal with family that I love
That are hard core anti-vaxxers. I just lost a 52 year old second cousin (I was not close) who was a hard core anti-vaxxer. My dad begged his dad and him to get vaccinated in august when he was in for my wedding. He laughed at him and called him a sheep. A couple weeks later he was on a vent. I feel like a bad person but I had no sympathy for him. I was still in the hospital after my marathon wait for a bed because of idiots like him.

don't feel badly for him.

when a person gets in a brawl with a cop, KNOWING that the law and brute force are on the side of the cop, does ANYONE feel sorry for them?  of course not.

when a person blithely ignores all of the facts at their disposal, and exposes themselves to the risk of getting Covid, they are owed NOTHING in terms of sympathy, except for perhaps for their foolishness.  certainly not for their lives.  such people are a danger not only to themselves, but to everyone connected with them.

Oh, that cousin isn’t someone I was close to so I actually didn’t feel anything from his passing. I last saw him years ago. I do have other family members that didn’t get the vaccine that I would be upset over losing, even though I know they signed their own death certificate. If someone I loved died for any reason I would be upset, even if they brought it on themselves.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 27, 2021 15:15:40 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 27, 2021 14:17:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

don't feel badly for him.

when a person gets in a brawl with a cop, KNOWING that the law and brute force are on the side of the cop, does ANYONE feel sorry for them?  of course not.

when a person blithely ignores all of the facts at their disposal, and exposes themselves to the risk of getting Covid, they are owed NOTHING in terms of sympathy, except for perhaps for their foolishness.  certainly not for their lives.  such people are a danger not only to themselves, but to everyone connected with them.

Oh, that cousin isn’t someone I was close to so I actually didn’t feel anything from his passing. I last saw him years ago. I do have other family members that didn’t get the vaccine that I would be upset over losing, even though I know they signed their own death certificate. If someone I loved died for any reason I would be upset, even if they brought it on themselves.

I didn't say "don't feel badly".

I said "don't feel badly FOR them".

hopefully you understand the distinction.