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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 12:47:09 GMT -5
I have a little street sense. And I’m not used to living around “people that burn the city down” either. It’s kind of funny you say that because the kind of place you’ve expressed a desire to live in….. I’m willing to bet money that some of your neighbors’ dicks got hard watching what happened on January 6th while they watched the havoc that those rioters were wreaking. I’m not saying either one is right…… but what is supposed to be a peaceful protest that turns into a riot…….. is not the same as a physical attack on our government and our democracy. But I guess that’s neither here nor there. Unlike you, what I would like would be to move to whatever area I want to, without having to consider what my neighbors look like. I would prefer that whether it’s the Bronx in New York or the suburbs in Vermont, or one of the thousands of places in between, I would be safe to mind my business and life my life however I want to live it. The same places that you would feel safe living in because everyone looks like you and can afford to live there (which I assume hopefully helps to weeds out POC and other undesirables)…… I’m wary of living in. That’s real talk, no shade. I think the “hopefully helps to weed out POC…” part is ok to assume, since you did specifically say back then, one way or the other, that you wanted to live somewhere where everyone was white. Anyway, what I’m wrestling with is that I know that if Rittenhouse had been my son and everything about the events was identical, if my son was even still alive, he would not have walked like Rittenhouse did. Anybody that says differently is either bullshitting and talking just to be talking, completely clueless, or a fucking fool. No matter where my baby lives in this country, he’s still going to be a Black man in America. And anyone who has a problem with him living next door to them just because he is Black (which anyone wanting to live in an all white neighborhood/whatever obviously doesn’t want) without regard to what kind of person he is…… just considering the color of his skin….. is a racist asshole. I’m not saying anyone on these boards is a racist asshole. But if the shoe fits, just put that bitch on and wear it with no apologies. And now I'm going to be real. Last summer, in the midst of the initial riots, I was PETRIFIED! I felt extremely vulnerable and was reading hatred spread towards white people...all things from POC. Then I see what appeared to be POC burning down their own damn cities. In that moment, I wanted to move to the whitest area possible to escape the risk. Then I started watching more clips of what was happening...not from any of the news outlets but from people living through the nightmare. While the armchair liberals on here and on MSM were all happy about the riots because it was for a cause, I saw black people crying hysterically because their business that they worked so hard for was destroyed. I saw young black people screaming at the rioters for destroying their towns. I saw videos of blacks AND whites destroying the towns. Unlike other people, I admit when I am wrong. And I was wrong. I said so in here and I also put the videos to which I am referencing up on my FB. It was the black areas being destroyed but it was not only being done by black people. I can't change my feelings in that exact moment but they were no different than your feelings. You said in your post that you would not feel safe (or you would be wary of) living by white people. It's the same thing. But you don't get attacked for saying that you would be wary of living around white people like me but I'm crucified for saying the reverse, even when mine was said in the height of a true panic attack versus yours just being a general thought process. Why doesn't saying that you would be wary of living in an all white area also make you racist? That question was not meant to throw shade. I'm honestly curious what the difference is. If you feel that your personal safety would be at risk, that is no different than what I felt. I truly have no idea if your son would have made it out if it was him and not Kyle. But i'm not ok with making Kyle a sacrificial lamb because people think a black person would have been treated differently. People on this board wished him dead. An 18 year old kid! I am not ok with that, anymore than your son being shot just because he was black. As for my comment about "not used to living by people that burn the city down", that was a reply to Andi about my thought process last year. She considered me weak because I was terrified of the riots. I didn't realize that being a strong, independent female meant I had to be cool with being in the middle of a riot. She and I obviously have different ideas of what a strong person is. I can't and won't keep apologizing because of something I said last year but I do own my words. I do try to now make a conscious effort to get all of the facts before jumping to a conclusion. Some people will always hold it against me and that is their right. Most of us do not know each other in real life so we build our opinions of each other based on these boards. The difference is that I would be wary because I would wonder if some of my neighbors are racists that would have a problem with me living in “their” neighborhood. When I was a child, twice we lived in neighborhoods where we were the only black people or 1 of maybe 2 or 3 black families. Both times racists showed themselves and acted ugly when we were just minding our own business, living our lives. So yes I am wary. I don’t dislike white people just because they are white, nor am I afraid of them, but I AM aware that a lot of white people dislike or even hate ME and mine and would harass or even try to harm me and mine, just because I am Black and had to audacity to move to “their” neighborhood. If I did sprinkle a little pepper in an all white neighborhood, it would be because I saw a house I like and wanted to live in. Not because I’m trying to get away from POC. It is not the same. And yes, you did admit you were wrong, I will acknowledge that. And I understand not wanting to keep defending yourself on something you’ve already said you were wrong about. I just hope that since then, you’ve done a little soul searching and tried to figure out why when you believed black people were destroying property, you jumped to wanting to live far away from any black people instead of thinking that those particular people were problematic, but did not represent all black people. White people have done and still do horrible things, much worse than destroying property, but my thought process has never been that all white people are horrible and I need to stay as far away from all of them. So, even though you said what you said out of fear, the problem imo is that something about you/the way you think, made you go left, into what I consider racist territory. I’ll leave it alone now.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 23, 2021 12:53:10 GMT -5
I quoted you. You received notice I quoted you. Look it up. And you misused the word 'armchair'. You don't know how to spell exaggerated so I guess we are even. FYI - here is one of the posts in favor of rioting by Later....copied and pasted but I can quote the original if you prefer. And backed up by DJ...so yes, there were posters on here in favor of the riots, looting and violence. So again, please show me where I exaggerated when I made that comment.. laterbloomer Senior Member laterbloomer Avatar Joined: Dec 26, 2018 Posts: 3,069Female Reply #36 posted Jun 4, 2020 at 6:15pm via mobile djAdvocate likes thisQuotelikePost OptionsPost by laterbloomer on Jun 4, 2020 at 6:15pm I refuse to condemn the riots and looting. I really don't believe peaceful protests are effective. Colin Kaepernick proved that. I believe stopping the murder of innocent black people is important enough to get violent for.djAdvocate Member Emeritus djAdvocate Avatar only posting when the mood strikes me. Joined: Jun 21, 2011 Posts: 67,169Male Great Writer badge Reply #37 posted Jun 4, 2020 at 6:22pm laterbloomer likes thisQuotelikePost OptionsPost by djAdvocate on Jun 4, 2020 at 6:22pm laterbloomer Avatar Jun 4, 2020 at 6:15pm laterbloomer said: I refuse to condemn the riots and looting. I really don't believe peaceful protests are effective. Colin Kaepernick proved that. I believe stopping the murder of innocent black people is important enough to get violent for. when the police stop responding as if they are the military, beating, shoving, gassing and shooting unarmed protestors, I will denounce this position. until then, I will tacitly approve of it. Not even close to being even, Miss "Armchair liberals". DJ and Laterbloomer are not every liberal poster on these boards.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 23, 2021 12:55:46 GMT -5
Miss Tequila I just want to say that I know that sometimes yours is the only comment I respond to the way I do. But, there’s something about you that makes me want to like you even though you piss me off with some of the things you say. Some other posters I strongly disagree with, but I don’t even bother responding to or interacting with them because I don’t feel they or their posts are worth the energy. Whatever it is about you that makes me want to like you…… me being who I am, requires me to call you out on what I consider to be bullshit, in hopes that maybe you might rethink some stuff and at least try to see a different point of view on some things. I don’t say any of that to try to make you feel like you should say or do anything differently than how you feel or want to. I’m just saying why it might feel sometimes like I’m picking on you. I’m being honest just like I would with someone I know IRL that I’m willing to be bothered with until I’m not. And if that violates the code of conduct on these boards, I’ll just hush about all of it, period. I do not know how I missed this but I didn't intentionally not respond to you. I really appreciate this post. I'm very good with you calling out my bullshit because we all need that. And I know I told you this before but it was your post last year that made me take a step back. Your words did impact me and believe it or not, I try to no longer jump to conclusions. I try to research before I spout off my big mouth about something I am misinformed about. I do not blindly follow anyone (you are not on my FB, but some on here are and they can attest that I have actually been called a snowflake liberal because I don't march to the conservative covid beat....me, a liberal?!?!lol) And your post also reminds me to keep myself in check when I am posting to someone who clearly can't stand me. I phrase things in a flippant manner because I truly don't give a shit what they think of me and I kind of like fueling their hatred of me (I might be 50 but I can still be juvenile!). I've told you this before but it is worth repeating...and I swear that I am not kissing your ass! You are truly one of the most gracious posters we have on here. I said some stuff last year that would give you every right to absolutely hate me. But you accepted my apology with grace, while also giving me an verbal smackdown at the same time. Thank you
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 23, 2021 13:03:13 GMT -5
And now I'm going to be real. Last summer, in the midst of the initial riots, I was PETRIFIED! I felt extremely vulnerable and was reading hatred spread towards white people...all things from POC. Then I see what appeared to be POC burning down their own damn cities. In that moment, I wanted to move to the whitest area possible to escape the risk. Then I started watching more clips of what was happening...not from any of the news outlets but from people living through the nightmare. While the armchair liberals on here and on MSM were all happy about the riots because it was for a cause, I saw black people crying hysterically because their business that they worked so hard for was destroyed. I saw young black people screaming at the rioters for destroying their towns. I saw videos of blacks AND whites destroying the towns. Unlike other people, I admit when I am wrong. And I was wrong. I said so in here and I also put the videos to which I am referencing up on my FB. It was the black areas being destroyed but it was not only being done by black people. I can't change my feelings in that exact moment but they were no different than your feelings. You said in your post that you would not feel safe (or you would be wary of) living by white people. It's the same thing. But you don't get attacked for saying that you would be wary of living around white people like me but I'm crucified for saying the reverse, even when mine was said in the height of a true panic attack versus yours just being a general thought process. Why doesn't saying that you would be wary of living in an all white area also make you racist? That question was not meant to throw shade. I'm honestly curious what the difference is. If you feel that your personal safety would be at risk, that is no different than what I felt. I truly have no idea if your son would have made it out if it was him and not Kyle. But i'm not ok with making Kyle a sacrificial lamb because people think a black person would have been treated differently. People on this board wished him dead. An 18 year old kid! I am not ok with that, anymore than your son being shot just because he was black. As for my comment about "not used to living by people that burn the city down", that was a reply to Andi about my thought process last year. She considered me weak because I was terrified of the riots. I didn't realize that being a strong, independent female meant I had to be cool with being in the middle of a riot. She and I obviously have different ideas of what a strong person is. I can't and won't keep apologizing because of something I said last year but I do own my words. I do try to now make a conscious effort to get all of the facts before jumping to a conclusion. Some people will always hold it against me and that is their right. Most of us do not know each other in real life so we build our opinions of each other based on these boards. The difference is that I would be wary because I would wonder if some of my neighbors are racists that would have a problem with me living in “their” neighborhood. When I was a child, twice we lived in neighborhoods where we were the only black people or 1 of maybe 2 or 3 black families. Both times racists showed themselves and acted ugly when we were just minding our own business, living our lives. So yes I am wary. I don’t dislike white people just because they are white, nor am I afraid of them, but I AM aware that a lot of white people dislike or even hate ME and mine and would harass or even try to harm me and mine, just because I am Black and had to audacity to move to “their” neighborhood. If I did sprinkle a little pepper in an all white neighborhood, it would be because I saw a house I like and wanted to live in. Not because I’m trying to get away from POC. It is not the same. And yes, you did admit you were wrong, I will acknowledge that. And I understand not wanting to keep defending yourself on something you’ve already said you were wrong about. I just hope that since then, you’ve done a little soul searching and tried to figure out why when you believed black people were destroying property, you jumped to wanting to live far away from any black people instead of thinking that those particular people were problematic, but did not represent all black people. White people have done and still do horrible things, much worse than destroying property, but my thought process has never been that all white people are horrible and I need to stay as far away from all of them. So, even though you said what you said out of fear, the problem imo is that something about you/the way you think, made you go left, into what I consider racist territory. I’ll leave it alone now. Here is what I will say about last summer. I have never been scared for my personal safety before. Have I realized now that I was not in actual danger? Yes. But did I have great fears last summer that Black people were going to take their hatred of whites out on me? Absolutely. Keep in mind what I was reading and seeing on TV. Rally cries from black people about making white people pay (I saw it on local FB groups, too, so it wasn't only in the big cities). Add that to the riots, and I was petrified. Again, can I say now that it was a reasonable fear? Nope. I came to my senses within days when I realized what was really going on.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 23, 2021 13:04:19 GMT -5
The same reason you want to live in an area where it is “safe”. There have always been slums and ghettos. There will always be slums and ghettos. People like you will ensure that. If we cared enough to help people, there would be fewer areas. But given our human condition, and people’s destructive behavior, it is a fact. But you knew that. Riots are never the answer. It leads to a backlash, and people who are rioting tend to destroy their own areas. But you accuse everyone me of reacting emotionally to this verdict, while all of your posts about the riots have been nothing but emotional Why are people like me keeping people in the projects? What exactly do I do that doesn’t allow a person to get an education and get out? The law takes emotion out of it. People wanted him convicted (or dead) because they don’t like him. But if people took a step back, actually watched a large part of the trial and read up on the law, it would be obvious it was a just and fair verdict Please tell me how rioting and destroying even a small section of a city is just or fair. Was I over the top in thinking that the destruction could actually reach me or impact me in any way? Absolutely and I have admitted that. But isn’t it worse to be one of those supporting the destruction from the safety of their white little world? I’m 100% against any rioting for any reason. I’m 100% against destroying a community. And the destruction was against the most vulnerable. As much as I was afraid, I have enough in the bank and make enough money that I could go buy another house tomorrow. Counter that with the bodega owner who had no insurance and lost everything she had. So you can make me out to be the bad guy all you want, but anyone that supports destruction of these inner cities are horrible, horrible people. I have repeatedly said that the rioting and destruction of property is wrong. People act emotionally and get caught up in the event. It is who we are. But you continue to harp on a ridiculous point. If riots like this affect your area, we are in major crisis. I have no idea why your are terrified of that. Let’s see, how could conservatives be keeping people down. Tax policy(giving rich tax breaks), war on drugs with disproportionate penalties, environmental policies that overburden poor areas, schools, health insurance and many other policies. Liberals may not have answers either, but conservatives keep repeating all kinds of failed ideas. If you vote for these you are part of the problem.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 23, 2021 14:07:37 GMT -5
You don't know how to spell exaggerated so I guess we are even. FYI - here is one of the posts in favor of rioting by Later....copied and pasted but I can quote the original if you prefer. And backed up by DJ...so yes, there were posters on here in favor of the riots, looting and violence. So again, please show me where I exaggerated when I made that comment.. laterbloomer Senior Member laterbloomer Avatar Joined: Dec 26, 2018 Posts: 3,069Female Reply #36 posted Jun 4, 2020 at 6:15pm via mobile djAdvocate likes thisQuotelikePost OptionsPost by laterbloomer on Jun 4, 2020 at 6:15pm I refuse to condemn the riots and looting. I really don't believe peaceful protests are effective. Colin Kaepernick proved that. I believe stopping the murder of innocent black people is important enough to get violent for.djAdvocate Member Emeritus djAdvocate Avatar only posting when the mood strikes me. Joined: Jun 21, 2011 Posts: 67,169Male Great Writer badge Reply #37 posted Jun 4, 2020 at 6:22pm laterbloomer likes thisQuotelikePost OptionsPost by djAdvocate on Jun 4, 2020 at 6:22pm laterbloomer Avatar Jun 4, 2020 at 6:15pm laterbloomer said: I refuse to condemn the riots and looting. I really don't believe peaceful protests are effective. Colin Kaepernick proved that. I believe stopping the murder of innocent black people is important enough to get violent for. when the police stop responding as if they are the military, beating, shoving, gassing and shooting unarmed protestors, I will denounce this position. until then, I will tacitly approve of it. Not even close to being even, Miss "Armchair liberals". DJ and Laterbloomer are not every liberal poster on these boards. Never said they represented all liberals “mr exagerate”. They were two that I found while quickly searching the boards. So yes, there are liberals on this board that were in favor of rioting, looting and destruction. You might not be one of them but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I gave you proof of two of them by spending 5 minutes searching.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 23, 2021 14:13:43 GMT -5
Why are people like me keeping people in the projects? What exactly do I do that doesn’t allow a person to get an education and get out? The law takes emotion out of it. People wanted him convicted (or dead) because they don’t like him. But if people took a step back, actually watched a large part of the trial and read up on the law, it would be obvious it was a just and fair verdict Please tell me how rioting and destroying even a small section of a city is just or fair. Was I over the top in thinking that the destruction could actually reach me or impact me in any way? Absolutely and I have admitted that. But isn’t it worse to be one of those supporting the destruction from the safety of their white little world? I’m 100% against any rioting for any reason. I’m 100% against destroying a community. And the destruction was against the most vulnerable. As much as I was afraid, I have enough in the bank and make enough money that I could go buy another house tomorrow. Counter that with the bodega owner who had no insurance and lost everything she had. So you can make me out to be the bad guy all you want, but anyone that supports destruction of these inner cities are horrible, horrible people. I have repeatedly said that the rioting and destruction of property is wrong. People act emotionally and get caught up in the event. It is who we are. But you continue to harp on a ridiculous point. If riots like this affect your area, we are in major crisis. I have no idea why your are terrified of that. Let’s see, how could conservatives be keeping people down. Tax policy(giving rich tax breaks), war on drugs with disproportionate penalties, environmental policies that overburden poor areas, schools, health insurance and many other policies. Liberals may not have answers either, but conservatives keep repeating all kinds of failed ideas. If you vote for these you are part of the problem. And you keep harping on my feelings last summer in the height of all of the rioting. I have said many times now that my reaction was over the top. We will never agree to what is keeping poor people down. I can’t speak for all schools in all states but I can speak to locally. We have one high school in a district (3 high schools in total) where the kids are doing terribly. High drop out rates, low test scores, etc. They go no less funding per student than the other two schools. Why is that school failing? It’s not the funding, since it is the same as the other two schools. It isn’t always lack of funding. You can throw all the money you want at a problem, but if the parents don’t care and there are gangs in the schools, no amount of money is going to fix that. It’s a very sad situation and if my only option was that achool, my kids would be cyber schooled.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 23, 2021 15:13:41 GMT -5
I have repeatedly said that the rioting and destruction of property is wrong. People act emotionally and get caught up in the event. It is who we are. But you continue to harp on a ridiculous point. If riots like this affect your area, we are in major crisis. I have no idea why your are terrified of that. Let’s see, how could conservatives be keeping people down. Tax policy(giving rich tax breaks), war on drugs with disproportionate penalties, environmental policies that overburden poor areas, schools, health insurance and many other policies. Liberals may not have answers either, but conservatives keep repeating all kinds of failed ideas. If you vote for these you are part of the problem. And you keep harping on my feelings last summer in the height of all of the rioting. I have said many times now that my reaction was over the top. We will never agree to what is keeping poor people down. I can’t speak for all schools in all states but I can speak to locally. We have one high school in a district (3 high schools in total) where the kids are doing terribly. High drop out rates, low test scores, etc. They go no less funding per student than the other two schools. Why is that school failing? It’s not the funding, since it is the same as the other two schools. It isn’t always lack of funding. You can throw all the money you want at a problem, but if the parents don’t care and there are gangs in the schools, no amount of money is going to fix that. It’s a very sad situation and if my only option was that achool, my kids would be cyber schooled. Yes, it is a complicated issue. But just because something is the sss as me doesn’t make it fair. Even in families, different children may require different amounts of resources. Educating lower income children will cost more than those who are well to do. Health disparities play into this. Levels of chronic illness, exposures to environmental hazards, such as lead and other heavy metals), nutrition, smoking, chronic stress all play a role. By not acknowledging those factors, and not trying to mitigate them, we leave generation upon generation of poor children behind, some of whom have talent, which if supported, could lead to them being valuable contributors to society. But attacking those factors requires the desire to have difficult discussions and the desire to solve problems. Something the Republican Party no longer wishes to be a part of
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Post by Opti on Nov 23, 2021 16:12:23 GMT -5
Not even close to being even, Miss "Armchair liberals". DJ and Laterbloomer are not every liberal poster on these boards. Never said they represented all liberals “mr exagerate”. They were two that I found while quickly searching the boards. So yes, there are liberals on this board that were in favor of rioting, looting and destruction. You might not be one of them but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I gave you proof of two of them by spending 5 minutes searching. I'll be honest, what you found Miss T confuses me. Did Later post- I refuse to condemn the riots and looting. I really don't believe peaceful protests are effective. Colin Kaepernick proved that. I believe stopping the murder of innocent black people is important enough to get violent for.
And DJ bold the second sentence? I find what's tough on the board is that nuance often gets lost. I think peaceful protests can be effective, however, actual work on the issues needs to happen too.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 23, 2021 16:13:29 GMT -5
The difference is that I would be wary because I would wonder if some of my neighbors are racists that would have a problem with me living in “their” neighborhood. When I was a child, twice we lived in neighborhoods where we were the only black people or 1 of maybe 2 or 3 black families. Both times racists showed themselves and acted ugly when we were just minding our own business, living our lives. So yes I am wary. I don’t dislike white people just because they are white, nor am I afraid of them, but I AM aware that a lot of white people dislike or even hate ME and mine and would harass or even try to harm me and mine, just because I am Black and had to audacity to move to “their” neighborhood. If I did sprinkle a little pepper in an all white neighborhood, it would be because I saw a house I like and wanted to live in. Not because I’m trying to get away from POC. It is not the same. And yes, you did admit you were wrong, I will acknowledge that. And I understand not wanting to keep defending yourself on something you’ve already said you were wrong about. I just hope that since then, you’ve done a little soul searching and tried to figure out why when you believed black people were destroying property, you jumped to wanting to live far away from any black people instead of thinking that those particular people were problematic, but did not represent all black people. White people have done and still do horrible things, much worse than destroying property, but my thought process has never been that all white people are horrible and I need to stay as far away from all of them. So, even though you said what you said out of fear, the problem imo is that something about you/the way you think, made you go left, into what I consider racist territory. I’ll leave it alone now. Here is what I will say about last summer. I have never been scared for my personal safety before. Have I realized now that I was not in actual danger? Yes. But did I have great fears last summer that Black people were going to take their hatred of whites out on me? Absolutely. Keep in mind what I was reading and seeing on TV. Rally cries from black people about making white people pay (I saw it on local FB groups, too, so it wasn't only in the big cities). Add that to the riots, and I was petrified. Again, can I say now that it was a reasonable fear? Nope. I came to my senses within days when I realized what was really going on. "In the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear?”
Martin Luther King Jr. 1967
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Post by kadee79 on Nov 23, 2021 17:30:48 GMT -5
Pink, wish I could "like" your post 1000 times!!!!!!!!! I've lived in various neighborhoods in several states....in Ill., Ca., Fl. & Ga. The color of someone's skin never bothered me, it was their attitudes & actions that determined whether or not we interacted with them. I currently happen to have one really nasty white woman as a neighbor. We don't speak unless absolutely necessary. Even the people who attend the same church as her don't want anything to do with her. We also have a Hispanic neighbor who is a jewel. If we needed help, we would ask her first and we have helped her several times in the past too. I have my fingers crossed that the trail in Ga. results in different outcome than Rittenhouse. How could it not have a different outcome? I admittedly have not been watching much of the trial but the situation is nothing like Rittenhouse. I'm assuming a guilty verdict based on what I have read. If it is anything but guilty, I would then go back and start researching to see why. But from what I read, it is pretty cut and dry. How could this trial in Ga. have the same outcome as the one it the north...well, it's the south! It's years of racist influence, behavior and all of that 'being over looked' by those in charge and that old refrain...."boys' will be boys" or "he's one of the good ole boys"! It's white privilege, pure & simple.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 23, 2021 18:06:35 GMT -5
How could it not have a different outcome? I admittedly have not been watching much of the trial but the situation is nothing like Rittenhouse. I'm assuming a guilty verdict based on what I have read. If it is anything but guilty, I would then go back and start researching to see why. But from what I read, it is pretty cut and dry. How could this trial in Ga. have the same outcome as the one it the north...well, it's the south! It's years of racist influence, behavior and all of that 'being over looked' by those in charge and that old refrain...."boys' will be boys" or "he's one of the good ole boys"! It's white privilege, pure & simple. Laura Hogue, defense attorney for defendant Greg McMichael describing the victim, Ahmaud Arbery, during her closing remarks: "Turning Ahmaud Arbery into a victim after the choices that he made does not reflect the reality of what brought Ahmaud Arbery to Satilla Shores in his khaki shorts with no socks to cover his long, dirty toenails,"Deplorable comment. Deplorable. Played right into the hands of the majority white southern jury. (11 White jurors and one Black juror. Blacks make up 26.6% of Glynn County where the trial is being held.) Laura Hogue: Defense lawyer prompts outrage for bringing up Ahmaud Arbery's toenails in closing arguments
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Post by swamp on Nov 23, 2021 18:39:49 GMT -5
How could it not have a different outcome? I admittedly have not been watching much of the trial but the situation is nothing like Rittenhouse. I'm assuming a guilty verdict based on what I have read. If it is anything but guilty, I would then go back and start researching to see why. But from what I read, it is pretty cut and dry. How could this trial in Ga. have the same outcome as the one it the north...well, it's the south! It's years of racist influence, behavior and all of that 'being over looked' by those in charge and that old refrain...."boys' will be boys" or "he's one of the good ole boys"! It's white privilege, pure & simple. And it took several months, the video being publicized, and 3 different prosecutors offices to get the case presented to a grand jury. This was just going to be swept under the rug buy the good old boy network.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 23, 2021 19:41:01 GMT -5
And again we end up in a place where the protesters have to defend protesting the murder of innocent people and the murderers of innocent people carry on with barely a ripple to their normal routines.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 23, 2021 21:02:03 GMT -5
I am wondering how the cars on the lot and any injured people (other than the obvious two killed and one wounded) did that night.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 24, 2021 12:14:09 GMT -5
How could it not have a different outcome? I admittedly have not been watching much of the trial but the situation is nothing like Rittenhouse. I'm assuming a guilty verdict based on what I have read. If it is anything but guilty, I would then go back and start researching to see why. But from what I read, it is pretty cut and dry. How could this trial in Ga. have the same outcome as the one it the north...well, it's the south! It's years of racist influence, behavior and all of that 'being over looked' by those in charge and that old refrain...."boys' will be boys" or "he's one of the good ole boys"! It's white privilege, pure & simple. I can't say that I know much about Georgia or the South. I would hope in this day and age that justice is served, regardless of the race of the victim or perp. I am praying that these three are found guilty or that will be a grave miscarriage of justice. I didn't do a ton of research on this case, but from what I read they chase him down and killed him. Not remotely close to what happened with Kyle. Maybe I'm a Polyanna but I truly believe they will be found guilty. Having said all that, I also know very little about what was presented at trial so what I have read might be very far from what actually happened...which is exactly what happened in Kyle Rittenhouse's trial. I say that because I never want to be the person that jumps to any conclusion without doing my own research. But if what I read is actually true, at a minimum they need to be locked up for life. I'm also a strong believer in the death penalty...if you are actively hunting down another human being, you don't deserve to live.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 24, 2021 12:16:31 GMT -5
Never said they represented all liberals “mr exagerate”. They were two that I found while quickly searching the boards. So yes, there are liberals on this board that were in favor of rioting, looting and destruction. You might not be one of them but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I gave you proof of two of them by spending 5 minutes searching. I'll be honest, what you found Miss T confuses me. Did Later post- I refuse to condemn the riots and looting. I really don't believe peaceful protests are effective. Colin Kaepernick proved that. I believe stopping the murder of innocent black people is important enough to get violent for.
And DJ bold the second sentence? I find what's tough on the board is that nuance often gets lost. I think peaceful protests can be effective, however, actual work on the issues needs to happen too. The copy and paste function doesn't work that well for this...or I'm not good at it. But yes, what you read back is what was posted. I didn't want to get shot by moon for quoting an old thread so I went this route.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 12:34:38 GMT -5
You might want to check this out, then comment how wonderful the riots were.
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Post by Opti on Nov 24, 2021 12:58:44 GMT -5
I think Moon is OK for quoting old threads, she just prefers they aren't posted to.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 24, 2021 13:00:25 GMT -5
I think Moon is OK for quoting old threads, she just prefers they aren't posted to. I think that’s what I did by copying and pasting. I meant that I didn’t go and quote the original post in that post to bring the thread back to life
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 24, 2021 13:06:39 GMT -5
I think Moon is OK for quoting old threads, she just prefers they aren't posted to. I think that’s what I did by copying and pasting. I meant that I didn’t go and quite the original post in that post to bring the thread back to life from a code perspective, you can quote a post and grab the background code in a copy/paste and put it in a reply anywhere. the background code will transfer the quote in the bubble just the same in a different thread as it does in the same original thread. moon's issue was resurrecting old threads just for the sake of stirring the pot (not you, necessarily, but anyone). if you'd quoted a post from an old thread into this one, that wouldn't be a problem. just for reference, for anyone, not just Miss T. -chiver mod
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 24, 2021 13:13:08 GMT -5
I think that’s what I did by copying and pasting. I meant that I didn’t go and quite the original post in that post to bring the thread back to life from a code perspective, you can quote a post and grab the background code in a copy/paste and put it in a reply anywhere. the background code will transfer the quote in the bubble just the same in a different thread as it does in the same original thread. moon's issue was resurrecting old threads just for the sake of stirring the pot (not you, necessarily, but anyone). if you'd quoted a post from an old thread into this one, that wouldn't be a problem. just for reference, for anyone, not just Miss T. -chiver mod From a non-IT perspective...I haven't a clue what that first paragraph means!lol I literally did a copy/paste from the old thread (like we would do in Word/Excel). I didn't retype was was there. I'm guessing I did something wrong since it didn't put it in a bubble.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 24, 2021 13:37:24 GMT -5
from a code perspective, you can quote a post and grab the background code in a copy/paste and put it in a reply anywhere. the background code will transfer the quote in the bubble just the same in a different thread as it does in the same original thread. moon's issue was resurrecting old threads just for the sake of stirring the pot (not you, necessarily, but anyone). if you'd quoted a post from an old thread into this one, that wouldn't be a problem. just for reference, for anyone, not just Miss T. -chiver mod From a non-IT perspective...I haven't a clue what that first paragraph means!lol I literally did a copy/paste from the old thread (like we would do in Word/Excel). I didn't retype was was there. I'm guessing I did something wrong since it didn't put it in a bubble. no, you didn't do anything wrong. you just did it the hard way, without the tools available on the board. no big deal. this is instruction if you're on a full browser. the Tapatalk app is different, and I'm not going to try to explain what the mobile version looks like. if you use the quote button, then click the "BBCode" button under the reply window, you'll see the code in the new screen. especially if you use emojis, the BBCode is going to look a lot different than what's in the "Visual" tab. but you can copy that code as a whole, and paste it in a reply anywhere you like. hope that helps. -chiver mod
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 24, 2021 13:43:15 GMT -5
From a non-IT perspective...I haven't a clue what that first paragraph means!lol I literally did a copy/paste from the old thread (like we would do in Word/Excel). I didn't retype was was there. I'm guessing I did something wrong since it didn't put it in a bubble. no, you didn't do anything wrong. you just did it the hard way, without the tools available on the board. no big deal. this is instruction if you're on a full browser. the Tapatalk app is different, and I'm not going to try to explain what the mobile version looks like. if you use the quote button, then click the "BBCode" button under the reply window, you'll see the code in the new screen. especially if you use emojis, the BBCode is going to look a lot different than what's in the "Visual" tab. but you can copy that code as a whole, and paste it in a reply anywhere you like. hope that helps. -chiver mod From a non-IT perspective...I haven't a clue what that first paragraph means!lol I literally did a copy/paste from the old thread (like we would do in Word/Excel). I didn't retype was was there. I'm guessing I did something wrong since it didn't put it in a bubble. no, you didn't do anything wrong. you just did it the hard way, without the tools available on the board. no big deal. this is instruction if you're on a full browser. the Tapatalk app is different, and I'm not going to try to explain what the mobile version looks like. if you use the quote button, then click the "BBCode" button under the reply window, you'll see the code in the new screen. especially if you use emojis, the BBCode is going to look a lot different than what's in the "Visual" tab. but you can copy that code as a whole, and paste it in a reply anywhere you like. hope that helps. -chiver mod I used this as a test and it worked! Thank you. I never knew we could do that.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 24, 2021 13:43:17 GMT -5
as the (mostly) guilty verdicts are read for the Arbery murder cases, I have a question - what is the difference between "felony murder" and "malice murder" ? I've never heard the term "malice murder" before. is that a GA thing?
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Post by swamp on Nov 24, 2021 14:16:44 GMT -5
as the (mostly) guilty verdicts are read for the Arbery murder cases, I have a question - what is the difference between "felony murder" and "malice murder" ? I've never heard the term "malice murder" before. is that a GA thing? Malice murder is intent to kill. Felony murder is when someone dies during the commission of a felony even if the intent to kill is not there. It is not a GA thing, it’s pretty widespread.
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Post by Opti on Nov 24, 2021 14:26:45 GMT -5
as the (mostly) guilty verdicts are read for the Arbery murder cases, I have a question - what is the difference between "felony murder" and "malice murder" ? I've never heard the term "malice murder" before. is that a GA thing? Malice murder is intent to kill. Felony murder is when someone dies during the commission of a felony even if the intent to kill is not there. It is not a GA thing, it’s pretty widespread. So ... were there multiple felony charges and that's why there were several felony murder charges?
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 24, 2021 14:29:59 GMT -5
as the (mostly) guilty verdicts are read for the Arbery murder cases, I have a question - what is the difference between "felony murder" and "malice murder" ? I've never heard the term "malice murder" before. is that a GA thing? Malice murder is intent to kill. Felony murder is when someone dies during the commission of a felony even if the intent to kill is not there. It is not a GA thing, it’s pretty widespread. interesting, I didn't realize there was a specific distinction. thank you. I'll admit all of my "expertise" comes from being a walking SVU encyclopedia, so I'm clearly not a legal scholar. thankfully, I didn't need to learn this a few weeks back when my mom got jumped.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 24, 2021 14:38:16 GMT -5
as the (mostly) guilty verdicts are read for the Arbery murder cases, I have a question - what is the difference between "felony murder" and "malice murder" ? I've never heard the term "malice murder" before. is that a GA thing? I never heard it before either. I always thought that was the difference between murder and manslaughter.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 24, 2021 14:41:13 GMT -5
as the (mostly) guilty verdicts are read for the Arbery murder cases, I have a question - what is the difference between "felony murder" and "malice murder" ? I've never heard the term "malice murder" before. is that a GA thing? I never heard it before either. I always thought that was the difference between murder and manslaughter. exactly, likewise.
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