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Post by billisonboard on Nov 20, 2021 14:50:23 GMT -5
My concern is having an individual determine for themselves that they are adequately prepared to walk armed into volatile situations and thinking they can react to what is happening appropriately.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 20, 2021 14:54:49 GMT -5
and that is a fair statement. don't you think it's a point we shouldn't ignore in the general conversation? ETA: to add to your other post-many have been working to change the laws, which is opposed mostly by angry white men - which is exactly what Kyle Rittenhouse is. ironic, eh? Of course I think the discussion is appropriate. But what I’m seeing is a bunch of people that want to crucify Kyle because he is white. Everyone should have access to a fair trial. Do I truly think of a black man was walking in the middle of a riot with an AR-15 that he would have made it out alive? Here is my honest opinion. A black man walking down a street in my town with an AR-15 would not have faired as well as Kyle. During the riots, the cops stood down and let their towns burn. I honestly do not believe cops would have done anything. Mainly because if one of them had to shoot another black man, even armed to the teeth, all hell would have broken loose, even worse than they were experiencing. In every day life, I would be petrified to see anyone walking down my street with an AR-15. Normal people don’t walk the streets with an AR-15 strapped to their bodies in everyday life. we are in compete agreement on the bold. I will say that finding uniformed soldiers with whatever flavor of guns they had,as well as K9s when I was just trying to clear US Customs in Munich was a lot surreal. I'm not used to seeing anything larger than whatever flavor of pistol most LEOs carry. as far as the rest, thank you for your honest opinion. I haven't been one looking to hang KR in this thread, but jumped in to observe that if he was black, he wouldn't still be alive.
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Post by Opti on Nov 21, 2021 8:58:30 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kyle-rittenhouse-attorney-says-he-did-not-approve-tucker-carlson-s-film-crew-following-them-at-trial/ar-AAQWg7R?ocid=msedgntpHours after Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges Friday, Fox News host Tucker Carlson announced that he would not only interview the teen on Monday but also had a film crew following the 18-year-old throughout the murder trial as part of an upcoming documentary for Fox Nation.
Conservative lawmakers and right-leaning media celebrated the jury’s verdict, but Mark Richards, one of Rittenhouse’s attorneys, said that he did not want Carlson’s film crew to be embedded with the defense team throughout a trial that was so fiercely divisive for many.
“I did not approve of that,” Richards told CNN’s Chris Cuomo of the film crew. “I threw them out of the room several times. I don’t think a film crew is appropriate for something like this.”
Richards said that part of the efforts by Rittenhouse’s family and a family adviser to raise money to help pay for the 18-year-old’s defense included having Carlson’s team present for filming. The attorney described the film crew’s presence as “a definite distraction.”
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 21, 2021 10:30:09 GMT -5
if he wasn't a white kid, he wouldn't have been alive to charge or not. 🤷♀️ Amen! He never would have made it home that night if he were black.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 21, 2021 11:00:01 GMT -5
At the end of the day had a police officer not shot an unarmed black man, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 21, 2021 11:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 21, 2021 11:15:49 GMT -5
At the end of the day had a police officer not shot an unarmed black man, we wouldn't even be talking about this. And also at the end of the day had a wanna-be junior cop (not even of age to vote in elections) stayed home and let the police and Wisconsin National Guard handle the riots those killed would be alive today.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 21, 2021 11:39:59 GMT -5
At the end of the day had a police officer not shot an unarmed black man, we wouldn't even be talking about this. And also at the end of the day had a wanna-be junior cop (not even of age to vote in elections) stayed home and let the police and Wisconsin National Guard handle the riots those killed would be alive today. Preach!
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Post by Opti on Nov 21, 2021 12:10:34 GMT -5
At the end of the day had a police officer not shot an unarmed black man, we wouldn't even be talking about this. He wasn't unarmed, he had a knife. The woman who called the police told them he was taking her keys (true) and kidnapping a child as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jacob_Blake
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Post by Opti on Nov 21, 2021 13:09:40 GMT -5
The tough thing about all these stories is we rarely know the entire background and people very often don't look for it because of lack of time. This all starts with Jacob Blake with going where he was not supposed to be (restraining order?), stealing keys, attempting to steal a rental car and possibly kidnapping a child. On August 23, Kenosha police responded to a 9-1-1 call about a "domestic incident" at approximately 5:11 PM. According to multiple official sources, the female caller referred to Blake as her "boyfriend", said he was not permitted to be on the premises, and that he had taken her car keys and was refusing to give them back.[19][20] Officers were also informed by the dispatcher that there was a "wanted" alert for someone at the address, indicated by police code 10–99.[10] Blake had a warrant for his arrest from July, based on charges of third-degree sexual assault, trespassing, and disorderly conduct in connection with domestic abuse.[1][10] The woman who called 9-1-1 on August 23 to report that Blake had stolen her keys was the same woman who had previously filed the criminal complaint alleging that Blake had sexually assaulted her.[11]
The police union says that Blake was armed with a knife in his left hand, but officers did not initially see it, and he "forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of [them] in a headlock", while ignoring orders to drop the knife.[27] "Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms," the police union added. Blake later admitted that he "wasn't thinking clearly" and picked up a knife during the altercation, although he denied having the intent to use it.[6]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jacob_Blake
Am I the only one concerned that the woman and that child might be killed once Blake regains his mobility? He's already taken a few steps in August. Their lives should matter too whatever race they are.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 21, 2021 13:57:57 GMT -5
At the end of the day had a police officer not shot an unarmed black man, we wouldn't even be talking about this. He wasn't unarmed, he had a knife. The woman who called the police told them he was taking her keys (true) and kidnapping a child as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jacob_BlakeWhat is a knife going to do against a gun? And he was running away from the officer when he was shot. The officer literally grabbed him by his shirt and started pumping rounds into his back. Are you seriously defending that right now?! If so, there is something really wrong with you.
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Post by Opti on Nov 21, 2021 15:02:44 GMT -5
What is a knife going to do against a gun? And he was running away from the officer when he was shot. The officer literally grabbed him by his shirt and started pumping rounds into his back. Are you seriously defending that right now?! If so, there is something really wrong with you. I did not watch the videos, if they exist. But there is much very really right with me because I do my best to find out the facts. Police officers have died by being knifed by someone they tried to arrest. I wish you could not jump to conclusions. Acknowledging he had a knife, took car keys and a child without permission does not translate to agreeing with everything the police did. One stab with a knife in the right place can kill a person pretty fast. Looks like he broke free of the officers on one side and the vehicle and then continued to the driver's side to steal the car. This is kind of like Rittenhouse, once you have done something really stupid, stop. Do not compound the issue. policetribune.com/video-new-video-shows-jacob-blake-fighting-kenosha-police-before-he-was-shot/
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 21, 2021 15:17:41 GMT -5
Except only one of them paid for what they did. And rittenhouse gets to live his life
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2021 15:49:12 GMT -5
At the end of the day had a police officer not shot an unarmed black man, we wouldn't even be talking about this. And also at the end of the day had a wanna-be junior cop (not even of age to vote in elections) stayed home and let the police and Wisconsin National Guard handle the riots those killed would be alive today. If Rosenblaum didn’t chase him and Tehran for his gun, he would be alive today. If Huber didn’t attack him with his skateboard, he would be alive today. If they had both stood down and let the cops do their job, both would be alive today Like it or not, he was legally allowed to carry that gun where he was. He has as much of a right to be there as the rioters did. Why is everyone singling him out for being there? Lots of people chose to do stupid things that day. It very well could have turned out with Rittenhiuse being killed by the guy he shot in the arm. That guy pointed a gun at Rittenhouse but it appears that Rittenhouse was a faster shot.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2021 15:52:45 GMT -5
Except only one of them paid for what they did. And rittenhouse gets to live his life If a police officer had told Rittenhiuse to drop the gun and he didn’t comply, he would be dead right now. That isn’t what happened. You are comparing apples and oranges to fit your narrative. Kyle was legally allowed to carry that weapon where he was. He was attacked and defended himself. He got lucky because he could have very well been shot by the last guy or had one of the other guys incapacitate him before he could get a shot off
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Post by dondub on Nov 21, 2021 15:56:48 GMT -5
Except only one of them paid for what they did. And rittenhouse gets to live his life If a police officer had told Rittenhiuse to drop the gun and he didn’t comply, he would be dead right now. That isn’t what happened. You are comparing apples and oranges to fit your narrative. Kyle was legally allowed to carry that weapon where he was. He was attacked and defended himself. He got lucky because he could have very well been shot by the last guy or had one of the other guys incapacitate him before he could get a shot off It’s too bad someone didn’t shoot him to death. Self defense of course.
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Post by pooks on Nov 21, 2021 16:04:36 GMT -5
Except only one of them paid for what they did. And rittenhouse gets to live his life If a police officer had told Rittenhiuse to drop the gun and he didn’t comply, he would be dead right now. That isn’t what happened. You are comparing apples and oranges to fit your narrative. Kyle was legally allowed to carry that weapon where he was. He was attacked and defended himself. He got lucky because he could have very well been shot by the last guy or had one of the other guys incapacitate him before he could get a shot off Honestly I think whether he was allowed to carry that gun where he was is open to interpretation. Seems like some funky wording of the law, that should be corrected. The DA didn't seem to think he was, but the judge agreed with the defense. I hope WI closes the Rittenhouse loophole because, I can't believe their intent was to have unsupervised minors policing the streets with AR-15's.
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Post by swamp on Nov 21, 2021 16:15:18 GMT -5
I was just reading that Don Trump Jr offered to buy Rittenhouse a new AR15. What an ass.
Rittenhouse still has to live with the fact he killed 2 people. Unless he’s a complete sociopath, that’s got to bother him.
And don’t even get me started on Gosar and Gaetz offering him internships.
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Post by dondub on Nov 21, 2021 16:28:04 GMT -5
And also at the end of the day had a wanna-be junior cop (not even of age to vote in elections) stayed home and let the police and Wisconsin National Guard handle the riots those killed would be alive today. If Rosenblaum didn’t chase him and Tehran for his gun, he would be alive today. If Huber didn’t attack him with his skateboard, he would be alive today. If they had both stood down and let the cops do their job, both would be alive today Like it or not, he was legally allowed to carry that gun where he was. He has as much of a right to be there as the rioters did. Why is everyone singling him out for being there? Lots of people chose to do stupid things that day. It very well could have turned out with Rittenhiuse being killed by the guy he shot in the arm. That guy pointed a gun at Rittenhouse but it appears that Rittenhouse was a faster shot. I like the part where you say “let the cops do their job”. Yet support Rittenhouse not letting the cops do their job. So I guess if you end up dead, too bad for you. But if you were the killer, congrats! You defended yourself exquisitely.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2021 16:28:33 GMT -5
If a police officer had told Rittenhiuse to drop the gun and he didn’t comply, he would be dead right now. That isn’t what happened. You are comparing apples and oranges to fit your narrative. Kyle was legally allowed to carry that weapon where he was. He was attacked and defended himself. He got lucky because he could have very well been shot by the last guy or had one of the other guys incapacitate him before he could get a shot off It’s too bad someone didn’t shoot him to death. Self defense of course. And if someone did shoot him, that would have been his stupid tax for going to a riot in the first place. Just like the two he killed paid the stupid tax.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2021 16:29:17 GMT -5
If Rosenblaum didn’t chase him and Tehran for his gun, he would be alive today. If Huber didn’t attack him with his skateboard, he would be alive today. If they had both stood down and let the cops do their job, both would be alive today Like it or not, he was legally allowed to carry that gun where he was. He has as much of a right to be there as the rioters did. Why is everyone singling him out for being there? Lots of people chose to do stupid things that day. It very well could have turned out with Rittenhiuse being killed by the guy he shot in the arm. That guy pointed a gun at Rittenhouse but it appears that Rittenhouse was a faster shot. I like the part where you say “let the cops do their job”. Yet support Rittenhouse not letting the cops do their job. So I guess if you end up dead, too bad for you. But if you were the killer, congrats! You defended yourself exquisitely. I guess you can’t read context. I was parroting the person to which I was replying.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2021 16:31:53 GMT -5
If a police officer had told Rittenhiuse to drop the gun and he didn’t comply, he would be dead right now. That isn’t what happened. You are comparing apples and oranges to fit your narrative. Kyle was legally allowed to carry that weapon where he was. He was attacked and defended himself. He got lucky because he could have very well been shot by the last guy or had one of the other guys incapacitate him before he could get a shot off Honestly I think whether he was allowed to carry that gun where he was is open to interpretation. Seems like some funky wording of the law, that should be corrected. The DA didn't seem to think he was, but the judge agreed with the defense. I hope WI closes the Rittenhouse loophole because, I can't believe their intent was to have unsupervised minors policing the streets with AR-15's. Here is the thing, that last thing I want is anyone walking up and down my street carrying an AR-15. That would scare the living hell out of me. That doesn’t make it illegal to do so (at least in that state…I honestly don’t know about mine). I wouldn’t put too much stock in the Assistant DA that tried the case. He also made a statement in front of the jury about Kyle not having spoken about the case until then. Major fuck up. The guy was an idiot.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2021 16:35:06 GMT -5
I was just reading that Don Trump Jr offered to buy Rittenhouse a new AR15. What an ass. Rittenhouse still has to live with the fact he killed 2 people. Unless he’s a complete sociopath, that’s got to bother him. And don’t even get me started on Gosar and Gaetz offering him internships. I wish everyone named Trump would just go away. I don’t know how I would feel if I were Kyle. I’ve seen the videos and I truly believe him when he says he was in fear for his life. I would have been in fear for my life. I think he will be forever changed by this. I was once an invincible 17 year old who thought nothing bad would happen. He now has to live knowing he was almost killed and the only thing that saved him was taking 2 lives. In a kill or be killed situation I think I could pull the trigger. I honestly don’t know how I would feel after
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 21, 2021 16:36:51 GMT -5
And also at the end of the day had a wanna-be junior cop (not even of age to vote in elections) stayed home and let the police and Wisconsin National Guard handle the riots those killed would be alive today. If Rosenblaum didn’t chase him and Tehran for his gun, he would be alive today. If Huber didn’t attack him with his skateboard, he would be alive today. If they had both stood down and let the cops do their job, both would be alive today Like it or not, he was legally allowed to carry that gun where he was. He has as much of a right to be there as the rioters did. Why is everyone singling him out for being there? Lots of people chose to do stupid things that day. It very well could have turned out with Rittenhiuse being killed by the guy he shot in the arm. That guy pointed a gun at Rittenhouse but it appears that Rittenhouse was a faster shot. People are singling him out because the police and the National Guard didn't need the help of an underage cop wanna-be. Why is that so hard for you (and others) to understand. The damage is done. The future mall-cop got off.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 21, 2021 16:38:32 GMT -5
I was just reading that Don Trump Jr offered to buy Rittenhouse a new AR15. What an ass. Rittenhouse still has to live with the fact he killed 2 people. Unless he’s a complete sociopath, that’s got to bother him. And don’t even get me started on Gosar and Gaetz offering him internships. Some conservative gun group has already given him a brand new, shiny AR15.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2021 16:41:03 GMT -5
If Rosenblaum didn’t chase him and Tehran for his gun, he would be alive today. If Huber didn’t attack him with his skateboard, he would be alive today. If they had both stood down and let the cops do their job, both would be alive today Like it or not, he was legally allowed to carry that gun where he was. He has as much of a right to be there as the rioters did. Why is everyone singling him out for being there? Lots of people chose to do stupid things that day. It very well could have turned out with Rittenhiuse being killed by the guy he shot in the arm. That guy pointed a gun at Rittenhouse but it appears that Rittenhouse was a faster shot. People are singling him out because the police and the National Guard didn't need the help of an underage cop wanna-be. Why is that so hard for you (and others) to understand. The damage is done. The future mall-cop got off. The cops stood down as their city burned. I think they did need help to get shit under control.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 21, 2021 16:41:19 GMT -5
If a police officer had told Rittenhiuse to drop the gun and he didn’t comply, he would be dead right now. That isn’t what happened. You are comparing apples and oranges to fit your narrative. Kyle was legally allowed to carry that weapon where he was. He was attacked and defended himself. He got lucky because he could have very well been shot by the last guy or had one of the other guys incapacitate him before he could get a shot off It’s too bad someone didn’t shoot him to death. Self defense of course. It may be in his future. Karma just might be around the corner waiting for him.
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Post by Opti on Nov 21, 2021 17:34:47 GMT -5
It’s too bad someone didn’t shoot him to death. Self defense of course. And if someone did shoot him, that would have been his stupid tax for going to a riot in the first place. Just like the two he killed paid the stupid tax. I think Huber paid the unsuccessful hero tax. It was dangerous, but I give him major credit for trying to stop what he believed was an active shooter situation.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 21, 2021 17:39:29 GMT -5
It’s too bad someone didn’t shoot him to death. Self defense of course. It may be in his future. Karma just might be around the corner waiting for him. Not necessarily. I’m going to assume that Kyle will be well armed foe the rest of his life. In a crisis situation, my money is on the 18 year old kid and not some cry-baby upset that the verdict didn’t go the way he wanted. One such person pulled a gun on Kyle and now has a non-functioning are to show for his attempt. The fact that so many of you are wishing for the death of an 18 year old kid is just mystifying.
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