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Post by qofcc on Nov 19, 2021 13:49:32 GMT -5
I think at some point mom will injure herself to the point where a dr will not release her to go back home. And that will force the issue.
Yep - I think this is what's going to end up happening. I took over managing everything for my dad when he crashed his car. The hospital brought in a social worker and talked to him and he agreed it was in his best interest to give me POA and health proxy so they helped him fill out the paperwork and when he was discharged I moved him into an income based senior housing apartment after he got done with physical therapy rehab then to a nursing home when the home health nurse called me there and we told him together he has an infection and needs to go the hospital and he's going to die if he doesn't get 24/7 care so she was admitting him to the hospital to stay until he could go to a nursing home. Mom said the doctor is wanting to replace something from the triple bypass she had 10+ years ago and if she can't go to an apartment and needs to go to assisted living that would be the time to get a social worker involved and just have them release her there.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 19, 2021 13:51:23 GMT -5
It sounds nice in theory, but good luck finding someone like that who is trustworthy. yeah - it's an idea but a long shot.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 19, 2021 13:57:02 GMT -5
The "roommate" needs some money to live on. There needs to be a stipend of some kind depending on the level of care. right - I wasn't talking about a caretaker - someone assist with ADLs, manage medication, provide 24/7 supervision and make sure paitent is going to doctor appointments. That's a full-time job. I was talking about a roommate/companion - someone who would share the home as a roommate and take care of the light housekeeping as they would in their own home - clean the bathroom weekly, make sure the kitchen is reasonably clean on a daily basis, sweep/mop/vacuum as needed, take out the trash, shovel the walk as needed maybe help her change the bedding, but also would spend a little time each day with her after they get home from work chatting and asking how her day went, maybe sharing a meal or watching the news together just to keep an eye on her making sure she's alert and healthy and contacting her family to intervene if she is not. No more than 1-2 hours/day. As a short-term option for the 1-3 years if she opts for the getting on the waiting list for an apartment. That is caretaking. That is exactly what the VA does for my GU right now. Roommates generally are not expected to monitor their roommates health and be responsible for notifying family members. I can't see a roommate wanting to take on that responsibility just for the sake of some free rent. A licensed health professional is going to expect to be paid. A regular roommate is not going to be someone who is going to be able to properly evaluate health and potentially intervene in an emergency.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 19, 2021 13:58:23 GMT -5
Why are you worrying about protecting her assets? She doesn’t have any. Use her money for her care and then switch to Medicaid when it runs out. Get on the waiting list, sell her house, and in the meantime get a small apartment. $120K+ isn't nothing. If she can get into income based housing that will last her the rest of her life or independent living 5-6 years which might be the rest of her life, the waiting list is the issue. If she has to go to assisted living, she'll run out in a few years and end up in a nursing home because of lack of money not necessarily need of that level of care. I'm only worried about protecting enough that if she ends up in a nursing home we'll have money to cover the stuff they don't cover - as I said, I spent thousands of dollars buying stuff for my dad the 9 years between his accident and when he died.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 19, 2021 14:12:04 GMT -5
I just saw this - I would chew off my right arm before I would have a room mate. Didn't like room mates when young and old age NO WAY but that's just me. Try to find independent living if she is able and what she can afford. Use HER money to do what is best for her and not try to protect it!! It will all wash out in the end unless someone is expecting an inheritance JMHO I never understand trying to protect assets and letting government/state pick up tab But again that's just my take on it. I'm not a lot younger than your Mom but this is something I have discussed with my son - in fact I discussed it with him when I hit 62 I agree - the thought of ending up in a nursing home on medicaid and being forced to share a bedroom with a stranger for the rest of my life and have $10/week to spend on things i want or have to beg money from my kids is my definition of hell on earth. I would literally kill myself if someone told me I had to do that. And that's why I'm working on multiple contingency plans for myself and my daughter and I discuss these things and we'd both be happy living together if needed.
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Post by swamp on Nov 19, 2021 16:38:38 GMT -5
Why are you worrying about protecting her assets? She doesn’t have any. Use her money for her care and then switch to Medicaid when it runs out. Get on the waiting list, sell her house, and in the meantime get a small apartment. $120K+ isn't nothing. If she can get into income based housing that will last her the rest of her life or independent living 5-6 years which might be the rest of her life, the waiting list is the issue. If she has to go to assisted living, she'll run out in a few years and end up in a nursing home because of lack of money not necessarily need of that level of care. I'm only worried about protecting enough that if she ends up in a nursing home we'll have money to cover the stuff they don't cover - as I said, I spent thousands of dollars buying stuff for my dad the 9 years between his accident and when he died. It’s income based housing, not asset based. $120k isn’t enough to do extensive asset protection estate planning, and it’s too late anyway. Uss it to set her up in a small apartment until income based housing in available. I’d she needs to go into a nursing home, you’re better off being able to self pay a few months so you get placed where you want, not wherever will accept a Medicaid patient.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 19, 2021 16:50:48 GMT -5
right - I wasn't talking about a caretaker - someone assist with ADLs, manage medication, provide 24/7 supervision and make sure paitent is going to doctor appointments. That's a full-time job. I was talking about a roommate/companion - someone who would share the home as a roommate and take care of the light housekeeping as they would in their own home - clean the bathroom weekly, make sure the kitchen is reasonably clean on a daily basis, sweep/mop/vacuum as needed, take out the trash, shovel the walk as needed maybe help her change the bedding, but also would spend a little time each day with her after they get home from work chatting and asking how her day went, maybe sharing a meal or watching the news together just to keep an eye on her making sure she's alert and healthy and contacting her family to intervene if she is not. No more than 1-2 hours/day. As a short-term option for the 1-3 years if she opts for the getting on the waiting list for an apartment. Spin it anyway you want. It’s still a caretakers, not a roommate. With those expectations, you would be paying me to live with her. That's a job for those "few" hours. Ever hired a housekeeper? They get paid. If I am doing that for my roommate, you are paying me. When I had roommates, the cleaning was split 50/50.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 19, 2021 18:01:16 GMT -5
Spin it anyway you want. It’s still a caretakers, not a roommate. With those expectations, you would be paying me to live with her. That's a job for those "few" hours. Ever hired a housekeeper? They get paid. If I am doing that for my roommate, you are paying me. When I had roommates, the cleaning was split 50/50. Right... So if fair market rent for her house is $1800 plus utilities and someone was getting 2 private rooms and sharing the rest that's a value of $900/mo +utilities or about $60-65/day. Mom used to take care of a mentality disabled teenager in her home who lived in that suite and she was paid $1,200/mo for 24/7 supervision and 3 meals a day medication management and being a parental figure.
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Post by jerseygirl on Nov 19, 2021 18:18:06 GMT -5
With those expectations, you would be paying me to live with her. That's a job for those "few" hours. Ever hired a housekeeper? They get paid. If I am doing that for my roommate, you are paying me. When I had roommates, the cleaning was split 50/50. Right... So if fair market rent for her house is $1800 plus utilities and someone was getting 2 private rooms and sharing the rest that's a value of $900/mo +utilities or about $60-65/day. Mom used to take care of a mentality disabled teenager in her home who lived in that suite and she was paid $1,200/mo for 24/7 supervision and 3 meals a day medication management and being a parental figure. So rent the house and use proceeds to pay for Mom in a assisted living community. No need for waiting list for low income housing as she will have money. Can also use her savings - again no need to wait for low income
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Post by qofcc on Nov 19, 2021 18:28:13 GMT -5
Right... So if fair market rent for her house is $1800 plus utilities and someone was getting 2 private rooms and sharing the rest that's a value of $900/mo +utilities or about $60-65/day. Mom used to take care of a mentality disabled teenager in her home who lived in that suite and she was paid $1,200/mo for 24/7 supervision and 3 meals a day medication management and being a parental figure. So rent the house and use proceeds to pay for Mom in a assisted living community. No need for waiting list for low income housing as she will have money. Can also use her savings - again no need to wait for low income Assisted living is $4500/mo. Can't rent the house for enough to cover it. Independent living is less but there's a waiting list. The house would sell immediately as is. Investors are buying up blocks of houses at a time for rentals. Just need a place for her to go.
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Post by Opti on Nov 20, 2021 0:37:23 GMT -5
With those expectations, you would be paying me to live with her. That's a job for those "few" hours. Ever hired a housekeeper? They get paid. If I am doing that for my roommate, you are paying me. When I had roommates, the cleaning was split 50/50. Right... So if fair market rent for her house is $1800 plus utilities and someone was getting 2 private rooms and sharing the rest that's a value of $900/mo +utilities or about $60-65/day. Mom used to take care of a mentality disabled teenager in her home who lived in that suite and she was paid $1,200/mo for 24/7 supervision and 3 meals a day medication management and being a parental figure. How many rooms is the house? What are those private rooms? Someone who shares a home with a homeowner rarely really gets half the value. The kitchen will contain your Mom's things. Getting even equal use of a fridge and pantry is challenging enough. It will be Mom's rules on how her dishes, pans, and even LR furniture and TV are allowed to be used.
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Post by haapai on Nov 20, 2021 15:06:55 GMT -5
I think at some point mom will injure herself to the point where a dr will not release her to go back home. And that will force the issue.
Yep - I think this is what's going to end up happening. I took over managing everything for my dad when he crashed his car. The hospital brought in a social worker and talked to him and he agreed it was in his best interest to give me POA and health proxy so they helped him fill out the paperwork and when he was discharged I moved him into an income based senior housing apartment after he got done with physical therapy rehab then to a nursing home when the home health nurse called me there and we told him together he has an infection and needs to go the hospital and he's going to die if he doesn't get 24/7 care so she was admitting him to the hospital to stay until he could go to a nursing home. Mom said the doctor is wanting to replace something from the triple bypass she had 10+ years ago and if she can't go to an apartment and needs to go to assisted living that would be the time to get a social worker involved and just have them release her there. I'm not sure if you can actually summon a social worker to get involved. You may have been told that they can be contacted or activated by anyone, but that might not be the entire truth. They seem to show up when an elderly person crashes a car, or falls and stays there until they are severely dehydrated and hospitalized as a result but I'm not entirely convinced that they can be summoned by "just anyone" unless something very scary has just happened and even then, the health care folks or the law enforcement types might have been the folks that really triggered things.
I hope that I am wrong here, but I cannot get jazzed about a care plan that will only work if these folks show up before things cross a critical threshold after being summoned by an amateur. You can be very smart, very right, pretty well connected, and have someone else's best interests in mind, but I'm not sure that social workers will either show up or carry through if you are the only one making the call to them.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 20, 2021 16:14:05 GMT -5
In my experience (more than a dozen hospital admissions for various relatives) hospital social workers definitely get involved if there is any question about the person being discharged safely home. And when a person is lying in bed not able to go anywhere they are usually much more agreeable to giving up control. The social workers were way up in her business last time she was admitted and my sister was just mortified because she works at that hospital and she didn't want her coworkers seeing her mom acting out.
And I don't really think getting someone to live with her is a good idea... It was more of a last ditch hail Mary pass of buying time to stay on a waiting list for a better situation.
I think her BEST option is to stop being stubborn ridiculous and paranoid and let her favorite daughter... who is a healthcare professional who lives in a McMansion with a finished basement and who she helped financially... take control of supervising her medical care and housing decisions and her other daughter who is a financial analyst supervise her financial decisions.
I don't think she's fully grasping what the doctors are recommending about her heart and medications and she's making stupid financial decisions like cancelling her homeowners insurance which I just found out and need to figure out how to fix.
I just don't know how to get her to see the light while she's still sitting at home saying everything is fine. Once it's clearly not fine she will probably listen to reason. At least she's stopped driving so not fine shouldn't include her killing someone else with her driving.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 20, 2021 16:17:46 GMT -5
Remember I was trying to get my dad in to a care facility for a long time because of his dementia. I couldn't find anyone who would help me since my sister had the POA.
It took a medical emergency to get dad in a nursing home. Yes it was social workers at the hospital but they were involved because he was not able to care for himself (and hadn't been for a long time). If nothing gets them to a doctor or hospital, social workers won't get involved unless there is terrible elderly abuse happening.
At the point of the medical emergency, dad was no longer capable of making any decisions for himself.
My sister was the one who finally had to sign the paperwork to get him in a nursing home.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 20, 2021 16:51:25 GMT -5
Remember I was trying to get my dad in to a care facility for a long time because of his dementia. I couldn't find anyone who would help me since my sister had the POA. It took a medical emergency to get dad in a nursing home. Yes it was social workers at the hospital but they were involved because he was not able to care for himself (and hadn't been for a long time). If nothing gets them to a doctor or hospital, social workers won't get involved unless there is terrible elderly abuse happening. At the point of the medical emergency, dad was no longer capable of making any decisions for himself. My sister was the one who finally had to sign the paperwork to get him in a nursing home. Oh right... Yes I meant a hospital social worker. Things have not deteriorated to the point a community social worker would do anything unless she does something else requiring police. The gun episode was 2 years ago.
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Post by Bonny on Nov 20, 2021 17:05:53 GMT -5
In my experience (more than a dozen hospital admissions for various relatives) hospital social workers definitely get involved if there is any question about the person being discharged safely home. And when a person is lying in bed not able to go anywhere they are usually much more agreeable to giving up control. The social workers were way up in her business last time she was admitted and my sister was just mortified because she works at that hospital and she didn't want her coworkers seeing her mom acting out. And I don't really think getting someone to live with her is a good idea... It was more of a last ditch hail Mary pass of buying time to stay on a waiting list for a better situation. I think her BEST option is to stop being stubborn ridiculous and paranoid and let her favorite daughter... who is a healthcare professional who lives in a McMansion with a finished basement and who she helped financially... take control of supervising her medical care and housing decisions and her other daughter who is a financial analyst supervise her financial decisions. I don't think she's fully grasping what the doctors are recommending about her heart and medications and she's making stupid financial decisions like cancelling her homeowners insurance which I just found out and need to figure out how to fix. I just don't know how to get her to see the light while she's still sitting at home saying everything is fine. Once it's clearly not fine she will probably listen to reason. At least she's stopped driving so not fine shouldn't include her killing someone else with her driving. Has your mom been given cognitive tests by her doctor yet? Sounds like she may have some level of dementia. I didn't recognize it in my father because he always repeated the same stories over and over again even when he was younger. DMIL has it too. She's just gotten meaner and more paranoid as she has aged. But she's intelligent and very manipulative and people are finally realizing how much she lies to cover her situation. While I understand wanting to remain independent, as was already mentioned up thread, it will take a crisis to change the situation. That's what happened with my dad. Fortunately the SNF found a Medicaid bed for him as the doctor would not release him home. That way the doctor was the bad guy and not me. It sucks to have to deal with this.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 20, 2021 17:15:10 GMT -5
In my experience (more than a dozen hospital admissions for various relatives) hospital social workers definitely get involved if there is any question about the person being discharged safely home. And when a person is lying in bed not able to go anywhere they are usually much more agreeable to giving up control. The social workers were way up in her business last time she was admitted and my sister was just mortified because she works at that hospital and she didn't want her coworkers seeing her mom acting out. And I don't really think getting someone to live with her is a good idea... It was more of a last ditch hail Mary pass of buying time to stay on a waiting list for a better situation. I think her BEST option is to stop being stubborn ridiculous and paranoid and let her favorite daughter... who is a healthcare professional who lives in a McMansion with a finished basement and who she helped financially... take control of supervising her medical care and housing decisions and her other daughter who is a financial analyst supervise her financial decisions. I don't think she's fully grasping what the doctors are recommending about her heart and medications and she's making stupid financial decisions like cancelling her homeowners insurance which I just found out and need to figure out how to fix. I just don't know how to get her to see the light while she's still sitting at home saying everything is fine. Once it's clearly not fine she will probably listen to reason. At least she's stopped driving so not fine shouldn't include her killing someone else with her driving. Has your mom been given cognitive tests by her doctor yet? Sounds like she may have some level of dementia. I didn't recognize it in my father because he always repeated the same stories over and over again even when he was younger. DMIL has it too. She's just gotten meaner and more paranoid as she has aged. But she's intelligent and very manipulative and people are finally realizing how much she lies to cover her situation. While I understand wanting to remain independent, as was already mentioned up thread, it will take a crisis to change the situation. That's what happened with my dad. Fortunately the SNF found a Medicaid bed for him as the doctor would not release him home. That way the doctor was the bad guy and not me. It sucks to have to deal with this. I think the doctor's may have but she's not sharing that info. She went to a neurologist and she says... But again I can't always believe what she says... That the neurologist thinks she might be experiencing effects of having hit her head so many times between car accidents and falling and that he thought she might have schizophrenia but now he doesn't think so anymore and she doesn't want to go back because she doesn't want to be diagnosed with anything that will cause her to have to give up any control over her life
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 20, 2021 18:47:54 GMT -5
I convinced my sister to get my dad a cognitive test. Sister, niece and I took him to sister's family doctor for over 30 years. I wish I had insisted on it earlier and with a doctor who didn't know him.
I recorded it on my phone. It's horrible and it's obvious that he had cognitive issues. However, the nurse kept saying she would give him credit for that and look at my sister.
So based on those results, the doctor said it was just normal aging.
It wasn't. His death certificate says he died of dementia.
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Post by Bonny on Nov 20, 2021 21:30:40 GMT -5
Has your mom been given cognitive tests by her doctor yet? Sounds like she may have some level of dementia. I didn't recognize it in my father because he always repeated the same stories over and over again even when he was younger. DMIL has it too. She's just gotten meaner and more paranoid as she has aged. But she's intelligent and very manipulative and people are finally realizing how much she lies to cover her situation. While I understand wanting to remain independent, as was already mentioned up thread, it will take a crisis to change the situation. That's what happened with my dad. Fortunately the SNF found a Medicaid bed for him as the doctor would not release him home. That way the doctor was the bad guy and not me. It sucks to have to deal with this. I think the doctor's may have but she's not sharing that info. She went to a neurologist and she says... But again I can't always believe what she says... That the neurologist thinks she might be experiencing effects of having hit her head so many times between car accidents and falling and that he thought she might have schizophrenia but now he doesn't think so anymore and she doesn't want to go back because she doesn't want to be diagnosed with anything that will cause her to have to give up any control over her life Yeah, like MIL's "memory problems" are a result of her having too many surgeries...
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 21, 2021 12:02:56 GMT -5
So rent the house and use proceeds to pay for Mom in a assisted living community. No need for waiting list for low income housing as she will have money. Can also use her savings - again no need to wait for low income Assisted living is $4500/mo. Can't rent the house for enough to cover it. Independent living is less but there's a waiting list. The house would sell immediately as is. Investors are buying up blocks of houses at a time for rentals. Just need a place for her to go. Is there an apartment close to your sister? Hire in a cleaning service a couple days a week, plus use meals on wheels?
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 21, 2021 12:18:54 GMT -5
So sorry you’re having to deal with this. My mom resisted leaving her four bedroom split level until she literally couldn’t get the groceries in the house. Like your mom she was convinced people were sneaking into her house to steal things (like a can of soup, which she claimed they sat and ate and then threw the cam away in the trash). We finally got her into a senior living community (getting her to downsize her hoard was a nightmare in itself- she refused to donate or throw any thing away, even the cool whip containers she used for storing left overs and food cans and boxes 10 years old). Ultimately she wrecked her car into a ditch after apparently having a mini stroke which left her with profound dementia. Then came five years of memory care which we were lucky enough she had just enough money to pay for, dying with maybe three months of living expenses left. The five years my sister and I spent trying to care for mom were marred by a third narcissist sister who managed to make everything about her and her meltdowns and our mom who complained daily that she wanted to go back home and we were stealing her money (when she knew who we were) or the nursing home ( which she thought was a hotel) stealing from her. The whole thing made me decide on suicide when it comes time for me to go to a home.
My one piece of advice- was your mom a military vet or married to a vet? She could be eligible for 1000 per month if she was.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 21, 2021 12:31:50 GMT -5
Her second husband was in Vietnam but they're divorced she's not a widow so I don't think that counts
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Post by qofcc on Nov 21, 2021 12:41:33 GMT -5
I don't think a regular apartment is going to be a better situation than the house. It would free up the money from the house but would tie her into a lease which is not helpful for being on a waiting list. The nice thing about senior housing is the common areas where everyone hangs out and sense of community. There's always a few nice little old ladies up in everyone's business keeping an eye on things and helping each other and keeping company. Having companionship would be a huge plus. She's an extrovert and the pandemic has been really hard on her.
She tried meals on wheels after her last surgery and she said the food was gross. She's supposed to be losing weight to reduce pressure on her arteries so she mostly eats minimal prep food like salad, fruit, yogurt, soup, etc.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 21, 2021 17:46:47 GMT -5
The free rent for a roommate that would help out wasn't a terrible idea, but I have only ever seen it work for people that knew each other and knew they liked each other before hand. I did it with my grandmother when I was in my early twenties. I helped with the jobs that were too much for Nana and I paid a bit of rent to cover my groceries. It worked for us at the time, partly because I was not expected to be home every night and could still have a life. And it was only for a couple of years.
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Post by debthaven on Nov 21, 2021 18:01:38 GMT -5
There is a program in the UK that exists in certain US cities too, but I can't remember the name.
It provides a younger person with free rent in exchange for making and having dinner with the older person 3X/week. The older person pays for the groceries, and (I think) both parties pay a nominal fee to the organization.
It doesn't involve real caretaking though ... my DH's elderly dad had this arrangement for about 18 months (can't remember exactly) until he fell. At that point the young woman who shared his home called an ambulance. DH's dad was hospitalized, and went downhill quickly. He was released to a nursing home and died a few months later.
But it could perhaps be a TEMPORARY solution for your mom while you sign her up for better/longer term options.
PS My British DH says it was called "Homeshare UK". Again, the younger person didn't need to provide real caretaking, they just needed to make dinner for both people 3X/week and do light housekeeping. When DH's Dad joined, he was very elderly, but mobile, with no dementia.
PPS Looking at the Homeshare website again for the first time in MANY years, there are more options to "exchange" for free/very cheap rent ... shopping, gardening, etc. Those options didn't exist at the time DH's Dad used the service.
I KNOW I read an article about something similar in the US, but I can't remember where or when.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 22, 2021 14:48:26 GMT -5
Great news - Sis's neighbor 2 doors down has an inlaw appartment on the ground floor. His tenant is moving out in a few months and he said Mom can have the apartment for $1,300/mo including utilities. It's more expensive than income based housing but less than independent living. He's a retired man who is home most of the time and he'll take care of snow removal and getting the trash from the garage to the curb. She went to see it and is very excited, it's much nicer than her own house and she can walk to see family but they don't have to give up their privacy. With the money from selling her house, she can get a medic alert bracelet in case she falls and pay if she needs any extra care later on while sis & family are at work and it's even close enough they can use a baby monitor if the nightmares become more frequent. She made up with Sis and even agreed to let her talk to the doctors.
That seems like a situation she could easily stay in for 5+ years so I'm going to go back to looking into the trust for at least part of the money. I have a prepaid legal plan through work so it may not cost anything.
Now we just have to get her puppy trained since he said she can bring it as long as it's housebroken. I'm going to look into getting it trained as a service animal.
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 22, 2021 15:13:36 GMT -5
Great news - Sis's neighbor 2 doors down has an inlaw appartment on the ground floor. His tenant is moving out in a few months and he said Mom can have the apartment for $1,300/mo including utilities. It's more expensive than income based housing but less than independent living. He's a retired man who is home most of the time and he'll take care of snow removal and getting the trash from the garage to the curb. She went to see it and is very excited, it's much nicer than her own house and she can walk to see family but they don't have to give up their privacy. With the money from selling her house, she can get a medic alert bracelet in case she falls and pay if she needs any extra care later on while sis & family are at work and it's even close enough they can use a baby monitor if the nightmares become more frequent. She made up with Sis and even agreed to let her talk to the doctors. That seems like a situation she could easily stay in for 5+ years so I'm going to go back to looking into the trust for at least part of the money. I have a prepaid legal plan through work so it may not cost anything. Now we just have to get her puppy trained since he said she can bring it as long as it's housebroken. I'm going to look into getting it trained as a service animal. That sounds great! But I will say that training a service dog (let alone a puppy!) Is exhausting. We're 5 months in with our 8 month old puppy and it's like having a 2nd job with no end in sight. We can't even start real service dog training until he's 18 months. Right now we're working on manners, obedience, and scent work. We're doing this for our son, and the family pet aspect is "worth it", but I cannot express enough how time consuming and exhausting it is, and that's on the weeks that everything goes great and with a puppy we don't have a lot of those.
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Post by qofcc on Nov 22, 2021 15:28:03 GMT -5
But I will say that training a service dog (let alone a puppy!) Is exhausting. We're 5 months in with our 8 month old puppy and it's like having a 2nd job with no end in sight. We can't even start real service dog training until he's 18 months. Right now we're working on manners, obedience, and scent work. We're doing this for our son, and the family pet aspect is "worth it", but I cannot express enough how time consuming and exhausting it is, and that's on the weeks that everything goes great and with a puppy we don't have a lot of those. I'm calling dog training services. There's no way mom can do it and sis & family doesn't have time.
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 22, 2021 16:18:43 GMT -5
But I will say that training a service dog (let alone a puppy!) Is exhausting. We're 5 months in with our 8 month old puppy and it's like having a 2nd job with no end in sight. We can't even start real service dog training until he's 18 months. Right now we're working on manners, obedience, and scent work. We're doing this for our son, and the family pet aspect is "worth it", but I cannot express enough how time consuming and exhausting it is, and that's on the weeks that everything goes great and with a puppy we don't have a lot of those. I'm calling dog training services. There's no way mom can do it and sis & family doesn't have time. I haven't seen organizations that will do that for service animals. (Orgs that you can get their animals from that are already trained, but not ones that would take an existing pet and train it). But for regular obedience there are places that do that. I'd look at prison programs. They'll take the dog for a few months to work on training and the fees are pretty reasonable.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Nov 22, 2021 23:06:51 GMT -5
Why does she need a service dog? And what will happen to it if she needs more care and can't take it with her?
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