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Post by Opti on Oct 31, 2021 9:30:22 GMT -5
Would you be willing to live in this dorm or have your kids live there? www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/critics-say-this-massive-dorm-is-a-psychological-experiment-think-of-it-like-a-cruise-ship-says-the-billionaire-who-helped-design-it/ar-AAQ8lB3?ocid=msedgntpDormzilla. A death trap. An experiment. These are some of the labels being levied on Munger Hall, a planned dormitory at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
The massive 11-story, 1.68 million-square-foot building, which billionaire investor Charlie Munger has pledged $200 million toward, would house more than 4,500 students in a structure with few windows and two entrances.
Students would live in 8-person living units that "are sealed environments with no exterior windows in the shared space or in 94% of the bedrooms," McFadden wrote. "The spaces are wholly dependent on artificial light and mechanical ventilation."
"I am against this project due to its height and also the fact there are no windows to allow fresh air in for students," said UCSB student Michael McConnell. "Young people do not alway smell good. Fresh air is UNBELIEVABLY important for college students."
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 31, 2021 9:48:19 GMT -5
No.
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Post by taz157 on Oct 31, 2021 9:50:32 GMT -5
If there’s a fire, there’s no way to get out! That’s a HELL NO!
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Post by chiver78 on Oct 31, 2021 9:58:45 GMT -5
not a shot in hell.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Oct 31, 2021 10:19:41 GMT -5
This would have to be permitted and I can't imagine it would pass fire codes.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 31, 2021 10:19:58 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Don't worry - I would hope that this building will NOT pass any local codes - which means it will either get built and never used (after "fixing" the problems in a poor fashion and after bribing the local government to allow it to be built - think - Foxconn...) or it will just die a quiet death on the design table.
I've been working in office buildings since the 80's - some of them older and re-adapted for "modern workers" - as in I've worked in basements with no ventilation or windows and "interior" office space with no windows and questionable ventilation. I WILL never accept those kinds of working conditions - either I see daylight while at my desk (I dont' have to see out a window) or it's a no go.
I've worked in office buildings with limited or very poorly marked exits (as in fire or other disaster exits). FWIW: most office workers have NO idea where the exits are even when they are clearly marked... aka Death traps.
I had some college classes in a "historical" Brutalist building - all concrete and browns and grays with windows high up on the walls and corridors that seemed short and that appeared to dead end (even though there was a corner). light from outside did filter into the interior rooms. It was a little creepy and disconcerting. The classroom space was fine and the lighting was ok and the bathrooms were plentiful and nice... but when you went into the building you "felt the weight" of it. That was a pretty well designed building - it did what it was suppose to - but also influenced how people in the building felt.
I'd be worried about the poorly designed other features of this building - the electrical, water, bathrooms, interior lighting, etc... the number of stairwells (and how useable they are for every day) the number of elevators (and how useable they are) the size of them... elevators that hold 4 people tend to be frustrating. stairwells that only allow one person on the left going down and one on the right going up are useless if the stairwells are intended for general use (to get lots of people between floors often during the day).
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Post by Opti on Oct 31, 2021 10:44:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised there is not at least one large stairwell at each corner of the building.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Oct 31, 2021 15:32:58 GMT -5
I saw that a couple days ago. It would be a hard no for me, though I don't think there's a chance in hell that it would pass fire code. I would avoid attending that school if I thought I'd be forced to live there.
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 1, 2021 20:57:16 GMT -5
We've seen and moved kids in to quite a few different styles of dorms over the years. Nothing like that plan, but several had stupid floor plans with rooms that had no outside windows (and thus daylighting).
One DD1 was in: top floor 7 person suite. Individual bedrooms with a personal loft sleeping-level and clerestory windows with great view (so each bedroom had its own staircase inside). But narrow dark internal hallway between bedrooms, single window-less bathroom, no kitchen.
Another had 3 private bedrooms sharing a window-less kitchen and bathroom. Bedrooms had windows that were tall and narrow, like 3" x 4', useless for egress. When one roommate left unexpectedly, he locked his bedroom door, but left his window open, in January.
I was always amazed at the dorms that had no elevators. How is that ADA compliant? I had several people in my dorm in electric wheelchairs, an elevator is a must, and injuries are common.
One funky building had separate stairwells for each quarter of the building running vertically (no hallways). So you could only use the stairwell leading to your corner. Each suite had a balcony, with sliding glass doors to it, and the balcony abutted one other balcony to a suite on an adjacent corner. In case of fire, all the sliding glass doors unlocked, so that if your stairwell was impassable you could climb over the short wall to the adjacent balcony and go thru you neighbors' suite to escape down their stairwell. Obviously an afterthought emergency fix.
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