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Post by Value Buy on Oct 7, 2021 7:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 7, 2021 7:26:47 GMT -5
Cult?
Unlike the Trump cult, Dems can and do criticize their party leader. Biden will not try to ‘take out’ anyone who says anything bad about him. Biden has an opportunity to put his party together and get some important legislation passed - legislation that a majority of voters (including farmers, who mostly voted for Trump) like. If that happens, Biden should trend up a bit.
Did you know in a recent poll GOP voters said that Republicans who do not support Trump shouldn’t be allowed to hold office? Does that seem a little cultish?
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 7, 2021 9:46:38 GMT -5
Trump needs to pull a Jim Jones and ask his followers to prove their love for him. Here's exactly why Republicans are afraid to criticize Donald TrumpDonald Trump's control of the GOP is near-total. So dominant -- and domineering -- a figure does the former President cut within the Republican Party that almost no elected official is willing to criticize even his most outlandish claims. New data from Pew makes abundantly clear why. More than 6 in 10 (63%) of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents think that the party should not be too accepting of elected officials who openly criticize Trump. Three in 10 say the party should not accept any criticism of Trump from its elected officials. Compare that to the 6 in 10 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who say their side should be at least somewhat accepting of elected officials who criticize President Joe Biden and you have some sense of just how much the Republican Party has devolved into a simple cult of personality. What's remarkable -- at least to me -- is that the utter fealty to Trump expected by the bulk of Republican voters has continued even though the former President is no longer in office. Despite his lack of political office and his much-debunked claims about the 2020 election being fraudulent, Trump's grip on the party base and, therefore, its elected leaders remains firm. The political incentive for a Republican to cross Trump publicly in this sort of environment is close to zero. Whether it's Jeff Flake or Justin Amash or, more recently, Liz Cheney, stepping out of line to offer a critique of Trump ends badly -- in raw political terms -- for the person willing to take a stand. The "smart" thing to do politically given how Republicans feel about Trump is to keep your head down when you disagree with one of the former President's many impolitic comments or apostasies of once-untouchable conservative belief. That is also the opposite of leadership. Which is why the Republican Party is struggling to define what, exactly, it stands for these days. The Point: There's no room for dissent in the current iteration of the Republican Party. That should worry every single person who cares about the GOP's future. Article here: link
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 7, 2021 10:44:00 GMT -5
When listening to Fiona Hill on NPR the other day, she said that all the staffers were required to keep a list of people that had said something negative about Trump- and cut them off from any WH participation.
Doesn’t matter how much of an expert you are, say one nasty thing, you’re dead to Trump.
That doesn’t sound culty at all.
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Post by Opti on Oct 7, 2021 11:02:11 GMT -5
There is no cult of Biden. The polls don't look good, but its 9 months in. Should Biden's team be spending massive money and resources like the Trump WH to sell to the polls?
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Post by hurley1980 on Oct 7, 2021 11:51:51 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by this. Biden has an absolute sh!tshow to clean up on many levels. Covid, infrastructure, immigration/border crisis, employment, Afghanistan, debt, taxes. I think he is handling all of it better than most would, but its still a lot to focus on all at once, and he is only 9 months in.
His rating will go up in time.
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Post by dondub on Oct 7, 2021 12:00:34 GMT -5
Poor VB. Making it all up.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 7, 2021 12:18:42 GMT -5
Poor VB. Making it all up. Like VB's lord and Savior, that's all he and trump can do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 7, 2021 12:49:40 GMT -5
I don't think VB understands what a cult is. part of cult behavior is unquestioning loyalty to the leader of the cult. that sounds like a prominent politician, but his name is not Joe.
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Post by laterbloomer on Oct 7, 2021 13:16:50 GMT -5
I don't think VB understands what a cult is. part of cult behavior is unquestioning loyalty to the leader of the cult. that sounds like a prominent politician, but his name is not Joe. That's what I was thinking. Joe has never had "unquestioning loyalty". He has always had to negotiate and compromise. When I was growing up they told me that was the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship.
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Post by Opti on Oct 7, 2021 13:37:54 GMT -5
I don't think VB understands what a cult is.part of cult behavior is unquestioning loyalty to the leader of the cult. that sounds like a prominent politician, but his name is not Joe. He probably does, but that's not why this title exists. He's doing a Paul. We have a thread called the cult of Trump based on a book title of the same name. Its all about the feels and trying to program us by the title alone.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 7, 2021 13:52:59 GMT -5
I don't think VB understands what a cult is.part of cult behavior is unquestioning loyalty to the leader of the cult. that sounds like a prominent politician, but his name is not Joe. He probably does, but that's not why this title exists. He's doing a Paul. We have a thread called the cult of Trump based on a book title of the same name. Its all about the feels and trying to program us by the title alone. got it. gaslighting. I should have known better than to post here.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2021 10:21:33 GMT -5
Seems there is far, far less a cult of Biden than there for trump. The silence of Trump voters here regarding trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election results along with strongly encouraging the January 6th insurrection and attack on the U.S. Capitol building proves they are members of the cult of trump. Majority of Republicans Say Party Shouldn't Accept Elected Officials Who Criticize TrumpA majority of Republicans said the party shouldn't be accepting of politicians who are critical of Donald Trump, according to a new poll. The survey, released this week by the Pew Research Center, found nearly two-thirds of Republicans said the GOP should be wary of elected officials who openly condemn the former president. Thirty-two percent of Republicans said the party should be "not too" accepting of such leaders, while 30 percent said it should be "not at all" accepting of officials who publicly lambast Trump. Just 11 percent of Republicans polled said the GOP should be very accepting of officeholders who do so, while 26 percent said the party should be somewhat accepting. The amount of Republicans who said their party should be accepting of officials who criticize Trump has declined 7 percentage points since March. The survey also showed Democrats are more open to criticism of President Joe Biden within their ranks than Republicans are to judgment of Trump. Trump's hold on the Republican Party has remained firm since he left office, despite reports of a "civil war" between those who wanted to separate from the former president and those who saw him as essential to their success. Pew found that 67 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents want to see Trump continue to be a "major political figure for many years to come." Plus, 44 percent of respondents said they'd like to see him run for president again in 2024. Link to article here: linkPew Research poll information here: Two-thirds of Republicans want Trump to retain major political role; 44% want him to run again in 2024link
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 9, 2021 12:33:53 GMT -5
Obviously the posters on this forum dances to a different drummer than America does. Otherwise some posters woud recognize the demise of Joe Biden and would reflect on it here on the forum. poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3824
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 9, 2021 12:36:12 GMT -5
I don't think VB understands what a cult is. part of cult behavior is unquestioning loyalty to the leader of the cult. that sounds like a prominent politician, but his name is not Joe. Quite honestly you, who love polls and always give us an unvarnished view of polls, ignore what is going on with Joe and the Democrats.
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Post by Opti on Oct 9, 2021 13:18:57 GMT -5
Obviously the posters on this forum dances to a different drummer than America does. Otherwise some posters woud recognize the demise of Joe Biden and would reflect on it here on the forum. poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3824Revised for VB. Biden is not dead and will finish his term.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 9, 2021 13:22:49 GMT -5
Obviously the posters on this forum dances to a different drummer than America does. Otherwise some posters woud recognize the demise of Joe Biden and would reflect on it here on the forum. poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3824You are dancing to your drummer. Lot of real bad shit happened last term just because a certain someone was President. I'm still processing and reading on that. Biden is not dead and will finish his term. This poster would rather reflect on a capitol rioter getting 3 months prison time and a $500 fine. I'd rather not reflect on the fact a mosque got bombed in Afghanistan with at least 50 dead, roughly 100 affected. Possibly the same people that killed our soldiers. You lost me. Are you referencing me?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 9, 2021 13:25:46 GMT -5
I don't think VB understands what a cult is. part of cult behavior is unquestioning loyalty to the leader of the cult. that sounds like a prominent politician, but his name is not Joe. Quite honestly you, who love polls and always give us an unvarnished view of polls, ignore what is going on with Joe and the Democrats. i haven't ignored it. I have put it in context. I have pointed out that only one president has polled better in month 20 than he did in month one. I even had you guess which president it was, and you were right. have you forgotten that?
having said that, I think Trump is a clear danger to the republic. you should NOT be rooting against Biden. period. for the record, I was not rooting against Trump his first year, either. every president gets a one year pass from me to get their act together.
if you think that is me supporting Biden, it isn't. it is me supporting America. I won't be doing that much longer, if you don't get your feces together, tho. your window of opportunity to prevent something catastrophic is closing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 9, 2021 13:27:54 GMT -5
Obviously the posters on this forum dances to a different drummer than America does. Otherwise some posters woud recognize the demise of Joe Biden and would reflect on it here on the forum. poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3824don't care. I will point out that I didn't care about Trump's polls in the first year, either. nor Obama's. so I have been utterly consistent on this.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2021 13:29:32 GMT -5
Obviously the posters on this forum dances to a different drummer than America does. Otherwise some posters woud recognize the demise of Joe Biden and would reflect on it here on the forum. poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3824Bless you trump ass kissing heart.
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Post by Opti on Oct 9, 2021 13:47:41 GMT -5
You are dancing to your drummer. Lot of real bad shit happened last term just because a certain someone was President. I'm still processing and reading on that. Biden is not dead and will finish his term. This poster would rather reflect on a capitol rioter getting 3 months prison time and a $500 fine. I'd rather not reflect on the fact a mosque got bombed in Afghanistan with at least 50 dead, roughly 100 affected. Possibly the same people that killed our soldiers. You lost me. Are you referencing me? Yes. Biden not dead.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 9, 2021 13:50:59 GMT -5
You lost me. Are you referencing me? Yes. Biden not dead. If you are referencing his Presidency, it is dead. If you are referencing his health and mental state, I swear I pray he stays in office for four entire years. The alternative is much worse.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 9, 2021 13:53:12 GMT -5
If you are referencing his Presidency, it is dead.If you are referencing his health and mental state, I swear I pray he stays in office for four entire years. The alternative is much worse. you could just as easily say the US is dead. but I don't think either are dead. they are both on life support.
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Post by Opti on Oct 9, 2021 13:56:24 GMT -5
If you are referencing his Presidency, it is dead. If you are referencing his health and mental state, I swear I pray he stays in office for four entire years. The alternative is much worse. Biden's Presidency will last for a full term if not more.
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Post by Opti on Oct 9, 2021 14:00:16 GMT -5
If you are referencing his Presidency, it is dead.If you are referencing his health and mental state, I swear I pray he stays in office for four entire years. The alternative is much worse. you could just as easily say the US is dead. but I don't think either are dead. they are both on life support.
The US is definitely in a heap of trouble.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 9, 2021 14:01:22 GMT -5
Obviously the posters on this forum dances to a different drummer than America does. Otherwise some posters woud recognize the demise of Joe Biden and would reflect on it here on the forum. poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3824Revised for VB. Biden is not dead and will finish his term. FYI, the demise of Joe Biden referenced his power and political downfall as a President to the American public.
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Post by Opti on Oct 9, 2021 14:04:27 GMT -5
Revised for VB. Biden is not dead and will finish his term. FYI, the demise of Joe Biden referenced his power and political downfall as a President to the American public. Nice try. Not.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 9, 2021 14:26:28 GMT -5
Revised for VB. Biden is not dead and will finish his term. FYI, the demise of Joe Biden referenced his power and political downfall as a President to the American public. one should not hope for that, or wish for it. if you BELIEVE it is true- that is a danger to the republic. you seem to be celebrating that fact, which concerns me.
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