The Cult of Trump

[djAdvocate]

many of these don't strictly fit the Cult of Trump. but some do.

meanwhile, nearly 80% of the jobs have been recovered since the start of the Coronavirus. UE is now at below the rate when Trump took office:

www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html

[djAdvocate]

the only president to have negative job growth during his term.

additional note: Biden is on the "Carter Curve" (best ever job growth).

[Tennesseer]

Looks like trump's efforts needed some Viagra.

[Opti]

Dec 26, 2021 16:25:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

many of these don't strictly fit the Cult of Trump. but some do.

meanwhile, nearly 80% of the jobs have been recovered since the start of the Coronavirus. UE is now at below the rate when Trump took office:

www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html

As a FYI, UE numbers might be artificially low. There are many hoops to jump, and I am finally understanding why a neighbor said it was taking 10 weeks to get paid. I hope it doesn't get to that, but I will be at half that tomorrow.

Many states, including mine, are using things like ID.me to verify identities and combat fraud. The bad thing is it is a process most likely to screen out the most deserving and those with the least. While I finally completed the process on the ID.me side with intervention on the vendors side, it still needs to leap through the NJ side. When I did one of my verifies by phone, I called because my claim hasn't been unlocked yet. She thought it could be as quick as a business day, outside limit 2 weeks.

Well, I think only if the phase of the moon is right and they like your cell phone provider, that might happen. I think once you need to go with a rep verify, the hand off becomes much longer. The state website has something on it about 4 weeks possibly longer. 

Some people will never run the gauntlet. NJ's in person offices are closed, and even to run the gauntlet requires tech some don't have.
Webcam or smart phone. Smart phone must be in your name and not prepaid (unless its one of three choices.) My cellphone is in my name, and I have a VOIP phone with my internet provider. They won't verify VOIP because some VOIPs aren't traceable to a person.

My library scans docs, but at the lowest resolution, and not the format they prefer. This you don't find out until it fails. In fact, I still do not know what the min resolution required is. I was just lucky the top setting on the library scanner was acceptable. In 2018, I would have had to buy a smartphone just to get benefits. 

[Opti]

Dec 23, 2021 1:48:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

for those that don't know, Johnson succeeded Lincoln (he was VP), and he was pro-secession. he went on a national tour promoting his policies to Republicans, back when Republicans were against slavery, and opposing the 14th amendment.

he is an absolute embarrassment to the Democratic Party.
that is the guy that Trump is fighting to beat for 43rd place.

I'll have to do research on that sometime in the future. Thanks for posting this.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 26, 2021 18:49:58 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Looks like trump's efforts needed some Viagra.

notice how flat the curve is in his last two months.

that is because the stimulus had run out, even though we were at 6%- about where we were TWO YEARS BEFORE Obama left office. now we are at 4.2%

I think a lot of people are just going to vacate the workforce. it doesn't pay enough.

minimum wage is roughly half living wage in some parts of the US.

who is going to work two jobs to scrape by?

you can work NO jobs and scrape by.

[djAdvocate]

for the record, Indonesia set the minimum wage at half of poverty wages.
so, yeah, the US is about where Indonesia is in that respect.

[trippypea]

Dec 21, 2021 21:40:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Why do died in the wool socialist democrats on this forum think Republicans are the problem and will never change their way of thinking?
Many of you will never OPEN your mind to a conservative idea or if elected to a political position would ever cross the political divide ito compromise on an issue.
Your way or the highway.
Sound familiar?

That may be your interpretation of a Democrat, but it is hardly accurate. Democrats are always willing to cross the aisle to accommodate Republicans, which is why all their legislation gets so watered down by the time it gets passed. Or, it doesn't get passed at all since the vast majority of Republicans would rather deny their constituents any kind of help than give Democrats a "win".

[djAdvocate]

Dec 28, 2021 14:41:19 GMT -5 trippypea said:

Dec 21, 2021 21:40:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Why do died in the wool socialist democrats on this forum think Republicans are the problem and will never change their way of thinking?
Many of you will never OPEN your mind to a conservative idea or if elected to a political position would ever cross the political divide ito compromise on an issue.
Your way or the highway.
Sound familiar?

That may be your interpretation of a Democrat, but it is hardly accurate. Democrats are always willing to cross the aisle to accommodate Republicans, which is why all their legislation gets so watered down by the time it gets passed. Or, it doesn't get passed at all since the vast majority of Republicans would rather deny their constituents any kind of help than give Democrats a "win".

TO A FAULT.  this is why they are slowly losing votes over time to the middle.  it is because they refuse to stand up for things that are right, and continually adopt bullshit from the right, like supply side economics, which was never a good idea, and has been disproved to the point that it is the poster child for stupid among economists.  yet the GOP reveres it, and Democrats don't have the coconuts to stand up to it, even though there is overwhelming evidence to support their position.

[djAdvocate]

about a month ago, I posted on another board about the popularity of Biden that "not having numbers this low during sometime in his presidency is the exception, not the rule". I also listed anything below 40% as "terrible".

upon reflection, I am not sure that is right. there have been quite a few presidents that had below 40% approval that are kindly regarded:

Truman, Johnson, GHWB, Reagan, Clinton.

I have concluded that public opinion is kinda meaningless, except in politics. it doesn't make you a bad president to have low public approval. doing difficult things is going to upset a lot of people. being an unprincipled "pleaser" makes you a shitty president.

Trump's lowest public approval was higher than the five presidents listed. does ANYONE here think he was a better president than any of them?

[Tennesseer]

Truman-better than trump
Johnson-better than trump
GHWB-better than trump
Reagan-better than trump
Clinton-better than Trump

Even with their own faults,, all were ethically and moraly better than trump.   All acted like adults unlike trump.

GHWB who lost a second term in office as president, conceded defeat like an adult unlike trump.

[djAdvocate]

it really makes me respect the NORMAL RULES OF CONDUCT.

never knew I cared about it this much.

[Tennesseer]

Snippets from the article.

How historians view Trump – and how Trump sees himself

There's at least one thing that Donald Trump's critics and supporters can agree on about his presidency, according to Jeffrey Engel, director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University: "He came in to be a disrupter, and of all of his accomplishments, I think it's very easy to say that he accomplished that one."

Engel is one of a group of historians from leading universities around the country who convened via Zoom last March. Their mission: assessing one of the most unusual presidencies in American history.

During the call, Timothy Naftali of New York University remarked, "His concept of a national interest was identical with his concept of his own interest."

Daniel C. Kurtzer, of Princeton University's School of Public and International Affairs, said, "Trump inherited a mess. It was not that he created a mess; the Middle East was in very bad shape.

Julian Zelizer of Princeton assembled the panel, which will soon publish a book of essays on Mr. Trump's time in office – a presidency he described as "one of the most unstable, unconventional.

"One thing that historians who've lived through the moment have, that historians 200 years from now won't have, is a sense of what it felt like to live in the moment," Zelizer told correspondent Rita Braver.

Braver spoke with four of the historians on the panel, who all agree that history's judgement of President Trump is likely to focus on two major events: his response to the coronavirus pandemic (one he said was "going to disappear … one day, it's like a miracle it will disappear"), and his role in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol (at which he told the assembled crowd, "We fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not gonna have a country anymore").

Braver asked Merlin Chowkwanyuan, a historian at Columbia University's School of Public Health, "How did Donald Trump do with answering the challenge of COVID?"

"Overall, I think Donald Trump not only didn't do bad, he did pretty terribly," Chowkwanyuan replied. "There were many opportunities where he could have taken decisive federal action, and [he] passed them up."

Braver asked Hemmer, "If you had to give him a grade, what would it be?"

"I don't think that a presidency that ends without a peaceful transfer of power can be considered anything other than a failure, because of Donald Trump's culpability in that moment," she replied.

But Mr. Trump still has strong influence in the Republican Party, while teasing a possible White House run in 2024. Nevertheless, the historians "Sunday Morning" spoke to, along with those in a recent C-Span survey, predict that in the long run, Donald J. Trump will be relegated to the bottom tier of American presidents.

As Jeffrey Engel said, "Donald Trump has a unique distinction – it's the only president who refused to honor democracy. Stop and think about that sentence: It makes my mouth say, How can you say these words? And yet, I don't think they're wrong."

Complete article here: How historians view Trump – and how Trump sees himself

[djAdvocate]

he's right. there are no words to describe the awfulness of the Trump presidency. it was so awful that we barely survived it in terms of governance. it is the kind of presidency that would throw most countries into endless chaos.

let's hope ours is better.
the jury is still out, however.

[Opti]

Tenn, did you see this from your link?


Mr. Trump told a rally in North Dakota, "You work harder, but you are indeed smarter than them. Let's call ourselves, from now on, the super-elite. We're the super-elite."

I'm surprised that wasn't playing in the news. Or if it did, I missed it.

[djAdvocate]

art imitates life, again:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch

[Tennesseer]

Jan 9, 2022 12:58:10 GMT -5 Opti said:

Tenn, did you see this from your link?


Mr. Trump told a rally in North Dakota, "You work harder, but you are indeed smarter than them. Let's call ourselves, from now on, the super-elite. We're the super-elite."

I'm surprised that wasn't playing in the news. Or if it did, I missed it.

Trump made many infamous quotes. I guess that one quote you noted just wasn't infamous enough. SS/DD stuff.

[billisonboard]

Jan 9, 2022 12:58:10 GMT -5 Opti said:

Tenn, did you see this from your link?


Mr. Trump told a rally in North Dakota, "You work harder, but you are indeed smarter than them. Let's call ourselves, from now on, the super-elite. We're the super-elite."

I'm surprised that wasn't playing in the news. Or if it did, I missed it.

Considering it was only one of Donald Trump’s 54 most outrageously over-the-top lines from his North Dakota speech, there was a lot of competition for air time when he said it.

[moon/Laura]

At DJ's request I've combined his thread into Bob's.

[djAdvocate]

thanks, moon.

everyone else: I completely forgot that Bob started a thread with a similar name, and I liked his name better.

[moon/Laura]

Just a note, though.. Merging the threads puts the posts in chronological order, rather than just appending the posts from DJ's thread to the end of this one. So, things likely won't make a lot of sense in places.

[Tennesseer]

[djAdvocate]

Jan 9, 2022 16:49:47 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Just a note, though.. Merging the threads puts the posts in chronological order, rather than just appending the posts from DJ's thread to the end of this one. So, things likely won't make a lot of sense in places.

given that the cult of Trump doesn't make much sense.....that's fine.

moreover, I started my thread after the original thread kinda fell off.

I don't think there is much, if any, overlap.

[dondub]

Jan 9, 2022 14:06:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 9, 2022 12:58:10 GMT -5 Opti said:

Tenn, did you see this from your link?


Mr. Trump told a rally in North Dakota, "You work harder, but you are indeed smarter than them. Let's call ourselves, from now on, the super-elite. We're the super-elite."

I'm surprised that wasn't playing in the news. Or if it did, I missed it.

Considering it was only one of Donald Trump’s 54 most outrageously over-the-top lines from his North Dakota speech, there was a lot of competition for air time when he said it.

I can’t. I just can’t.🤮

[djAdvocate]

is there any sign that the cult is waning?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 9, 2022 20:15:56 GMT -5 dondub said:

Jan 9, 2022 14:06:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Considering it was only one of Donald Trump’s 54 most outrageously over-the-top lines from his North Dakota speech, there was a lot of competition for air time when he said it.

I can’t. I just can’t.🤮

nor should you.  that shit is 2 years old.  it's expired product.

[djAdvocate]

once upon a time, Republicans were opposed to fascism.

_The End_

[Tennesseer]

Where were Mitch's public comments when it came to the incoherent speeches and public lies when Trump was president and spoke.

"Look, I've known, liked and personally respected Joe Biden for many years. I did not recognize the man at the podium yesterday. ... The president's rant, rant, yesterday was incoherent, incorrect and beneath his office," McConnell said from the Senate floor.

McConnell says Biden speech was 'incoherent, incorrect and beneath his office'

[Opti]

Jan 12, 2022 18:42:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Where were Mitch's public comments when it came to the incoherent speeches and public lies when Trump was president and spoke.

"Look, I've known, liked and personally respected Joe Biden for many years. I did not recognize the man at the podium yesterday. ... The president's rant, rant, yesterday was incoherent, incorrect and beneath his office," McConnell said from the Senate floor.

McConnell says Biden speech was 'incoherent, incorrect and beneath his office'

Sounds like McConnell should try some of his own suggestions.

But Biden, speaking in Georgia, argued that while he was an institutionalist, the Senate was broken. McConnell fired back on Wednesday, arguing that Biden got a mandate to "bridge a divided country, lower the temperature and dial down the perpetual air of crisis in our politics."

[dondub]

Jan 12, 2022 18:42:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Where were Mitch's public comments when it came to the incoherent speeches and public lies when Trump was president and spoke.

"Look, I've known, liked and personally respected Joe Biden for many years. I did not recognize the man at the podium yesterday. ... The president's rant, rant, yesterday was incoherent, incorrect and beneath his office," McConnell said from the Senate floor.

McConnell says Biden speech was 'incoherent, incorrect and beneath his office'

Hmmmm....and here I thought it was his best speech ever and ABOUT F’ING TIME some demo showed some gumption and fight before it’s too late. And it may already be.