The Cult of Trump

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Feb 6, 2022 14:13:17 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Feb 6, 2022 13:01:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this completely apart from the fact that PUBLIC OPINION is no reflection on how well a president is DOING, only on how he (and others) are PRESENTING himself.

arguably, Trump did a TREMENDOUS job of presenting himself.  everything that goes right is HIS fault.  everything that goes wrong is SOMEONE ELSE.  this, by the way, is something fascists do, if you are interested.  little known fact, as we have not really seen a neo-fascist government before.  not only do they take credit for success, but they NEVER admit to a failure.  ever.

contrast this with Biden.  he rarely toots his own horn.  he takes blame when things go wrong and vows to fix things.  and he follows up on that with changes.  

so, yeah, Trumps RHETORIC was more reassuring to his base than Biden's.  that is true.  and that probably is worth at least 10% public approval.  meanwhile, Biden's presidency has been vastly more successful.  you just won't hear it from him EVERY FUCKING DAY.

I.personally think this is hurting the democrats.

I get it's distasteful but the world has shown they respond to PT Barum salesmanship.

However the democrats actually have something to sell besides white power and stick it to anyone who disagrees with me.

They all need to LOUDLY talk about the bills they have put forward to.improve our lives and really hammer home the Republicans are too busy making Nazi comparisons to cooperate let alone develop an actual platform.

People don't value productivity, integrity or expertise anymore. They value whoever talks the loudest. Democrats need to learn to talk even louder Tham Trump.

Otherwise I fear we are going to be in even bigger trouble than we are now.

Don't kid yourself DQ. There are people that value the bolded, and I am one of them. Most of the people who do are probably Dems. However, there are thinking GOPers and independents that do as well. 

Yes, the blue text is true for Trump's base and way too many emotionally driven people. IMO the goal is not to become them, but use the assets we have to triumph. We need to find the common ground of the center. Trump abandoned that almost totally after he won. 
I think you and I would make a great team marketing that. The bills advertised need to be centrist for mass consumption. 

I got to go. But I leave you with a closing thought. I am wary of those who talk the loudest. Sometimes I find out why they are advertising and more importantly what they aren't delivering or doing.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

But they aren't the ones Dems need to win over to keep the majority and prevent a possible Trump the sequel.

They need to start tooting their horn. Just like when you miss out on an opportunity that your dipshit coworker ends up getting because he was always in the boss's ear.

I get They don't want to get in the dirt but if democracy is going to be saved they need to stop pulling their punches.

Use the Republicans stage against them. Show people there is a better way. That isn't getting done when Trump, Goetz and Greene are getting all the screen time.

Get in the dirt and show people how empty these clowns are.

[Tennesseer]

From Facebook regarding donald trump:

“Talented and well-practiced in every vice, a stranger to compassion or empathy, a liar and a cheat so complete in perfidy that he has elevated his dishonesty to hold it up as an ersatz moral principle, violent, so long as he can order someone else to do the dirty work, grotesque in body, graceless in action, in possession of a wounded self-regard so colossal as to smother any spark of grace, treasonous, not only to country, but to every ally he has ever had, the poisoned fruit and rankest flower of racism and contempt for women, and utterly devoid of shame for his moral and spiritual bankruptcy.

That is your leader. That is to whom you give your money. That is who you follow and laud. That is whose banner you willingly carry. Why? Because he is a mirror, not a lighthouse. You see yourselves in him. He is what you would be, if you had inherited money and could shed the last vestiges of conscience and shame.

No, I do not “respect your choices,” nor do I admire your loyalty and dedication to this miserific, demoniac vision. You have demonstrated not only a lack of civic virtue, loyalty to the Republic and to the rule of law, but a willingness to engage in violence and sedition at his slightest expressed wish. And you will never, ever admit you were wrong.

Because you see your dark, twisted, resentful dreams in him. And to renounce him is to renounce yourselves.”

~ Advocatus Peregrini

[djAdvocate]

Feb 6, 2022 14:13:17 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Feb 6, 2022 13:01:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this completely apart from the fact that PUBLIC OPINION is no reflection on how well a president is DOING, only on how he (and others) are PRESENTING himself.

arguably, Trump did a TREMENDOUS job of presenting himself.  everything that goes right is HIS fault.  everything that goes wrong is SOMEONE ELSE.  this, by the way, is something fascists do, if you are interested.  little known fact, as we have not really seen a neo-fascist government before.  not only do they take credit for success, but they NEVER admit to a failure.  ever.

contrast this with Biden.  he rarely toots his own horn.  he takes blame when things go wrong and vows to fix things.  and he follows up on that with changes.  

so, yeah, Trumps RHETORIC was more reassuring to his base than Biden's.  that is true.  and that probably is worth at least 10% public approval.  meanwhile, Biden's presidency has been vastly more successful.  you just won't hear it from him EVERY FUCKING DAY.

I.personally think this is hurting the democrats.

I get it's distasteful but the world has shown they respond to PT Barum salesmanship.

However the democrats actually have something to sell besides white power and stick it to anyone who disagrees with me.

They all need to LOUDLY talk about the bills they have put forward to.improve our lives and really hammer home the Republicans are too busy making Nazi comparisons to cooperate let alone develop an actual platform.

People don't value productivity, integrity or expertise anymore. They value whoever talks the loudest. Democrats need to learn to talk even louder Tham Trump.

Otherwise I fear we are going to be in even bigger trouble than we are now.

Democrats suck at tooting their own horn.
if they were better at it, the GOP would not have won the presidency in the last 3 decades.

[happyhoix]

Biden has now created more jobs than the last four GOP presidents combined.

[Value Buy]

Feb 8, 2022 11:38:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden has now created more jobs than the last four GOP presidents combined.

You do realize these are not all "new jobs"
Many are businesses are reopening due to the government mandated lockdowns.
And if a business originally had 50 associates, reopened and only starts with say 40, that is still a net loss of ten jobs.

And he has had more deaths from COVID than Trump did. Remember he was the one that said he would defeat Covid if elected. So far, he has killed more people.....

[pulmonarymd]

Feb 8, 2022 14:19:41 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 8, 2022 11:38:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden has now created more jobs than the last four GOP presidents combined.

You do realize these are not all "new jobs"
Many are businesses are reopening due to the government mandated lockdowns.
And if a business originally had 50 associates, reopened and only starts with say 40, that is still a net loss of ten jobs.

And he has had more deaths from COVID than Trump did. Remember he was the one that said he would defeat Covid if elected. So far, he has killed more people.....

We’re you one who believed, like trump, that the stock market rise meant he is as doing a good job with the economy?

The job report has been reported the same way forever. Either believe it or not.

And you clearly have no clue about the pandemic, based on your posting. Not to mention, the number of republican politicians and the right wing media actively doing things to make the pandemic worse. But you repeatedly refuse yo acknowledge that. If our vaccination and booster rate was that of Denmark, hospitalizations would have been halved during the latest surge. We have the tools to save lives, but too many people in this country are too stupid to use them. But continue with your ignorance

[Tennesseer]

Feb 8, 2022 14:19:41 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 8, 2022 11:38:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden has now created more jobs than the last four GOP presidents combined.

You do realize these are not all "new jobs"
Many are businesses are reopening due to the government mandated lockdowns.
And if a business originally had 50 associates, reopened and only starts with say 40, that is still a net loss of ten jobs.

And he has had more deaths from COVID than Trump did. Remember he was the one that said he would defeat Covid if elected. So far, he has killed more people.....

LOL. How so fucking ignorant you are. Such a pity.

[dondub]

Feb 8, 2022 14:19:41 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 8, 2022 11:38:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden has now created more jobs than the last four GOP presidents combined.

You do realize these are not all "new jobs"
Many are businesses are reopening due to the government mandated lockdowns.
And if a business originally had 50 associates, reopened and only starts with say 40, that is still a net loss of ten jobs.

And he has had more deaths from COVID than Trump did. Remember he was the one that said he would defeat Covid if elected. So far, he has killed more people.....

He hasn’t killed anyone. Are you losing it down that rabbit hole or are you blaming him that members of your cult, that refuse vaccines and masks, are the ones dying?
Either way you have gone looney tunes...,

[djAdvocate]

Feb 8, 2022 14:25:02 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Feb 8, 2022 14:19:41 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

You do realize these are not all "new jobs"
Many are businesses are reopening due to the government mandated lockdowns.
And if a business originally had 50 associates, reopened and only starts with say 40, that is still a net loss of ten jobs.

And he has had more deaths from COVID than Trump did. Remember he was the one that said he would defeat Covid if elected. So far, he has killed more people.....

We’re you one who believed, like trump, that the stock market rise meant he is as doing a good job with the economy?

The job report has been reported the same way forever. Either believe it or not.

And you clearly have no clue about the pandemic, based on your posting. Not to mention, the number of republican politicians and the right wing media actively doing things to make the pandemic worse. But you repeatedly refuse yo acknowledge that. If our vaccination and booster rate was that of Denmark, hospitalizations would have been halved during the latest surge. We have the tools to save lives, but too many people in this country are too stupid to use them. But continue with your ignorance

the government mandated lockdowns would not have been necessary if we had got our testing program and contact testing together early.  that was Trumps failure, and nobody elses'.  it was NOT like he didn't have advice on it.  he did.  from the Chinese.  but since he always thinks he is the smartest guy in the room......

but this is a digression in a way.  if you want to say that Biden took advantage of Trump's fuckup in this way, yes, i agree.  he did.  just as Trump took advantage of Obama's steady growing economy.  when Trump stops doing that, i will stop giving Biden any credit for replacing lost jobs.

[djAdvocate]

for the record, the virus was pretty much defeated in JUNE.
the WHOLE REASON it came back is that:

1) GOP led states refused to cooperate with federal guidelines on masks, social distancing, vaccinations and contact tracing.
2) GOP voters in those states largely followed their lead.

blaming BIDEN for that is a real stretch for me.  


www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-more-americans-died-covid-under-joe-biden-donald-trump-1661528

will Biden have more deaths due to Coronavirus because of all of this?
of course he will.
it is ALMOST as if the GOP INTENDED to make that happen.
but that is so disgusting and appalling that i can't quite call it intentional,
as we normally understand the term.

but i would forgive others for thinking that the GOP INTENTIONALLY killed 300k of their own to make a point.

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Feb 8, 2022 14:19:41 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 8, 2022 11:38:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden has now created more jobs than the last four GOP presidents combined.

You do realize these are not all "new jobs"
Many are businesses are reopening due to the government mandated lockdowns.
And if a business originally had 50 associates, reopened and only starts with say 40, that is still a net loss of ten jobs.

And he has had more deaths from COVID than Trump did. Remember he was the one that said he would defeat Covid if elected. So far, he has killed more people.....

Yes. You realize that happened with Trump too?

[Opti]

If we had closed down, closed down hard and with planned purpose, more companies would be alive today. Ran an errand to the post office. Discovered two things, that post office hates breaking up sheets of stamps and a local gym club has already closed and is selling off fixtures.

I got offered stamps issued in 2019, or a black history month stamp. I really want the year of the water Tiger or some of the forever Love stamps that they will sell as not full sheets. So ... I will try another post office and see what they have.

[djAdvocate]

for the Trumpers that are dreaming of Trump becoming president in 2024, i would remind you that this has only happened ONCE in presidential history (a president only having one term after a one term president) and it was James Fucking Buchanan.  

Biden is no Buchanan.

it is quite unlikely that he (or his party) will lose.  particularly to Trump.

but the cultists will keep believing that, because believing is all they can do.

[djAdvocate]

meanwhile, Biden is at 42% approval in RASMUSSEN.  yes.  Rasmussen.  the poll that is typically about 5% GOP biased.

[djAdvocate]

i see on the other thread that the troll in residence is suggesting that Biden is a closet racist.

meanwhile, not a whisper from him about Trump saying that he could not get a fair trial from a black judge.

and this, of course, in light of similar claims about a hispanic judge in 2016.  

i will take the covert racist to appears to feel remorseful about it over the overt one who doesn't.

oh, for the record, it appears that the same poster thinks that cultism is a winning strategy.

perhaps Biden should embrace it.

[swamp]

Feb 12, 2022 19:46:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i see on the other thread that the troll in residence is suggesting that Biden is a closet racist.

meanwhile, not a whisper from him about Trump saying that he could not get a fair trial from a black judge.

and this, of course, in light of similar claims about a hispanic judge in 2016.  

i will take the covert racist to appears to feel remorseful about it over the overt one who doesn't.

oh, for the record, it appears that the same poster thinks that cultism is a winning strategy.

perhaps Biden should embrace it.

Eh, maybe he is.  But I’m happy he’s not blatantly racist like trump. 

[djAdvocate]

try to imagine Trump choosing a black female running mate.

[djAdvocate]

[djAdvocate]

[djAdvocate]

this was written 4 years before the capitol riot:


AF: Do you believe that there are those who are willing to go to the dangerous extremes that members of other cults have out of devotion to their leader?



SH: I’m afraid I do, although I would predict it’s not a large percentage of the 60 million proclaimed Trump believers. Part of the problem is he’s been acting as if he’s above the law, and this is another feature of destructive cults. The members think that they are doing God’s will or they think that they’re superior to everyone else, therefore the rule of law shouldn’t have to apply to them. In the Moon cult, I was with Sun Myung Moon after a leadership meeting, and he did this impromptu talk about how when we take over America, we’ll amend the Constitution and make it a capital offense for people to have sex outside of the Unification Church-assigned weddings. And, as a good Moonie, I thought, “Good idea, Father.” Why? Because I was taught to believe that whatever he said was what God wanted and that we would actually help people take away their physical bodies so they wouldn’t sin anymore. And I’m afraid I do think that there are some people – probably several million – who believe that God is using Trump and think that if they were told to take up assault rifles and go take over a TV station or something that they might do it.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 12, 2022 21:07:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this was written 4 years before the capitol riot:


AF: Do you believe that there are those who are willing to go to the dangerous extremes that members of other cults have out of devotion to their leader?



SH: I’m afraid I do, although I would predict it’s not a large percentage of the 60 million proclaimed Trump believers. Part of the problem is he’s been acting as if he’s above the law, and this is another feature of destructive cults. The members think that they are doing God’s will or they think that they’re superior to everyone else, therefore the rule of law shouldn’t have to apply to them. In the Moon cult, I was with Sun Myung Moon after a leadership meeting, and he did this impromptu talk about how when we take over America, we’ll amend the Constitution and make it a capital offense for people to have sex outside of the Unification Church-assigned weddings. And, as a good Moonie, I thought, “Good idea, Father.” Why? Because I was taught to believe that whatever he said was what God wanted and that we would actually help people take away their physical bodies so they wouldn’t sin anymore. And I’m afraid I do think that there are some people – probably several million – who believe that God is using Trump and think that if they were told to take up assault rifles and go take over a TV station or something that they might do it.

You really should post the above on that lame copy-cat Biden cult thread too.

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Feb 12, 2022 20:59:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Looks interesting, but I need happy reading now.

[Opti]

Feb 12, 2022 20:57:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Read it after Bob Ross posted about it. 

[djAdvocate]

Feb 12, 2022 23:58:33 GMT -5 Opti said:

Feb 12, 2022 20:57:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Read it after Bob Ross posted about it. 

ui'd be interested in hearing your opinion on it.

[Opti]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-mind-numbingly-incompetent-at-protecting-classified-info-ex-aide/ar-AATMB9j?ocid=msedgntp
For fun, check out his marketing lies about the situation. 

A former Trump administration aide criticized the ex-president over his handling of classified information while he was in office, and said Friday that officials were "legitimately scared" to bring it to him.



The comments from Miles Taylor, who served as a chief of staff in the Department of Homeland Security, follow reports that Trump allegedly took classified documents from the White House to his home in Florida.

"I have to start with the hypocrisy though, because it's not just hypocrisy. It's that Donald Trump himself was mind-numbingly incompetent when it came to the protection of classified information," he said. "So it's not just that he criticized Clinton and then did something similar. He did something vastly worse on multiple occasions. So much so that we were scared, legitimately scared to take sensitive, classified information into the Oval Office and tell the president of the United States about it."
(I predicted this prior to his election)


He spoke about an instance in which reporters were sitting in the Oval Office for an interview with Trump. Taylor said the former president "had classified information on his desk and he grabbed it and he held it up and waved it in the air to brag about how he gets really important information and I mean our jaws hit the floor."

[NancysSummerSip]

And in some totally not-surprising news, the First Lady of Spas and Leisure, Melania Trump, is following in the footsteps of her hubby, still wearing her stilettos and sounding that all-too-familiar refrain of how the corrupt media does not like her and is mean to her:

currently.att.yahoo.com/news/florida-reportedly-probing-melania-trump-144438540.html

Officials have launched an “inquiry” into an upcoming Florida fundraiser featuring Melania Trump for a charity that isn’t registered in the state, as is required by law, The New York Times reported Saturday, and it isn’t clear whether the charity even exists.

Tickets are being sold to an “exclusive high tea” April 9 featuring the former first lady in Naples, Florida.

According to information from Trump’s office, the tea will raise money for the charity Fostering the Future, which is described as an initiative of Be Best, the anti-bullying mission launched by Trump when she was living in the White House. Money is supposed to fund computer science scholarships to young people who have been in foster care, according to the ticket sales site.

Tickets for a VIP table sponsor cost $50,000. Patron tickets are going for $3,000.

But no such charity is registered in Florida, the Times reported. Nor does it appear to exist anywhere else...

Also, no information on how much is actually going to said charity.  She claims the documents are in the works. Seriously? Does she think the smart people with deep pockts are going to shell out for this, only to find that her charity is herself, and they cannot write off their contribution?

She could not pull this stunt in Palm Beach. The society season is in full swing, and all the dames and dowagers are booked up. She isn't welcome at any of their soirees, anyway. And no one is booking Mar-A-Loco for anything. The high fliers on the island know their charity stuff. They give because they can, because it looks good in the press and because it helps their taxes. And they've done it for years. Melania is a flash-in-the-pan nobody compared to these pros.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 13, 2022 17:22:09 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

And in some totally not-surprising news, the First Lady of Spas and Leisure, Melania Trump, is following in the footsteps of her hubby, still wearing her stilettos and sounding that all-too-familiar refrain of how the corrupt media does not like her and is mean to her:

currently.att.yahoo.com/news/florida-reportedly-probing-melania-trump-144438540.html

Officials have launched an “inquiry” into an upcoming Florida fundraiser featuring Melania Trump for a charity that isn’t registered in the state, as is required by law, The New York Times reported Saturday, and it isn’t clear whether the charity even exists.

Tickets are being sold to an “exclusive high tea” April 9 featuring the former first lady in Naples, Florida.

According to information from Trump’s office, the tea will raise money for the charity Fostering the Future, which is described as an initiative of Be Best, the anti-bullying mission launched by Trump when she was living in the White House. Money is supposed to fund computer science scholarships to young people who have been in foster care, according to the ticket sales site.

Tickets for a VIP table sponsor cost $50,000. Patron tickets are going for $3,000.

But no such charity is registered in Florida, the Times reported. Nor does it appear to exist anywhere else...

Also, no information on how much is actually going to said charity.  She claims the documents are in the works. Seriously? Does she think the smart people with deep pockts are going to shell out for this, only to find that her charity is herself, and they cannot write off their contribution?

She could not pull this stunt in Palm Beach. The society season is in full swing, and all the dames and dowagers are booked up. She isn't welcome at any of their soirees, anyway. And no one is booking Mar-A-Loco for anything. The high fliers on the island know their charity stuff. They give because they can, because it looks good in the press and because it helps their taxes. And they've done it for years. Melania is a flash-in-the-pan nobody compared to these pros.

The auction bids for Melania's white hat never reached the minimum opening bid price.

Maybe Melania got her idea for her fundraiser from her crooked husband here:

Trump charges $250,000 for midterms forum – to boost his own Super Pac


Donald Trump will charge top-paying guests $250,000 to attend a “Take Back Congress Candidate Forum” at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida this month – with proceeds going to his own Super Pac, rather than Republicans who will actually try to take back Congress.

Nor is the top price tag, which guarantees a private dinner and picture with Trump as well as VIP seating at the forum, necessarily the full cost for any couple who chooses to pay it. On Twitter on Wednesday, the New York Times reporter and Trump watcher Maggie Haberman said: “$250k lets you pay for a Mar-a-Lago guest room.”

Further down the menu, a couple paying $100,000 will get a photo with Trump and seating at a private dinner with endorsed candidates, with comments from Trump. For $50,000, guests will get the dinner and the Trump comments, but a picture only with “endorsed candidates”.

Price tags descend to $5,000 per couple, for attendance – but presumably less than primo seating – at the dinner with comments from Trump.

Emphasising Trump’s grip on the Republican party, Haberman pointed out that the former president “is spending almost no money on other Republicans so far. But he’s trying to raise for his group using congressional Republicans.”

The Mar-a-Lago event is notionally aimed at the midterm elections in November this year, when Republicans are favoured to take back the House and possibly the Senate.

A House takeover would see Trump well positioned to dictate to loyalists in party leadership, under Kevin McCarthy, the current minority leader.

Rest of article here: Trump charges $250,000 for midterms forum – to boost his own Super Pac

[djAdvocate]

let the grift begin (continue).

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Feb 8, 2022 14:19:41 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 8, 2022 11:38:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden has now created more jobs than the last four GOP presidents combined.

You do realize these are not all "new jobs"
Many are businesses are reopening due to the government mandated lockdowns.
And if a business originally had 50 associates, reopened and only starts with say 40, that is still a net loss of ten jobs.

And he has had more deaths from COVID than Trump did. Remember he was the one that said he would defeat Covid if elected. So far, he has killed more people.....

I mostly refrain from commenting on these kinds of threads, but I really think you went too far with your last sentence. How has Biden killed people due to COVID. IMO, he has tried to be the kind of leader we need during this pandemic. Our approach in dealing with the pandemic was already really fucked up before he was even elected, that’s not his fault. The best he could and can do, given the mess he walked into, is try to move forward in a better way and require/ask us to take responsibility as individuals, to help ourselves and each other.

I really think it’s unfair and wrong to say he’s killing people. But that’s just my opinion, of course.