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Post by andi9899 on Oct 1, 2021 22:10:21 GMT -5
Let's not forget the Karen factor as well. Everything y'all mentioned is valid. Add in the fact that fast food/retail/lower wage workers don't get paid enough to deal with people who don't understand that the world does not revolve around them.
Then we can add in the POC who don't want to be told "go back to where you came from" regardless of citizenship. Or having police called because they dared to be brown/black in public. We POC all know that if the police are called that we will not be the ones that will be given the benefit of the doubt. We may even end up dead. To me, it's not worth working with the public.
Then we can talk about being around unvaccinated people. I just quit my white collar job where I'm paid well over minimum wage because I don't want to go back to the office and be around unvaccinated people all day.
Honestly I'm wondering how people are wondering why others don't want to be around others regardless of what kind of job they do.
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Post by tbop77 on Oct 2, 2021 8:42:23 GMT -5
Why do I feel like if people have to do without a few things....and want to complain about it is just so....American?
Sorry, don't feel sorry for you. We're the United States, or we used to be. We could have shown the world the way during the pandemic, but instead had a leader that used it to divide us. Here we are, 700k people...dead. I don't blame people who don't want to work out in the public with all these idiots that still want to pretend COVID doesn't exist. They have pulled their share of the burden while the upper echelon worked at home.
Cry me a river entitled USA.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 2, 2021 9:04:49 GMT -5
Why do I feel like if people have to do without a few things....and want to complain about it is just so....American? Sorry, don't feel sorry for you. We're the United States, or we used to be. We could have shown the world the way during the pandemic, but instead had a leader that used it to divide us. Here we are, 700k people...dead. I don't blame people who don't want to work out in the public with all these idiots that still want to pretend COVID doesn't exist. They have pulled their share of the burden while the upper echelon worked at home. Cry me a river entitled USA. To be fair a lot of this does hurt small businesses that were already struggling. Vendors pass on those costs along with a significant mark-up so they can continue to make a profit. It does have a ripple effect on people who aren't spoiled rotten consumers but are just trying to make a living. There is also a valid concern that more people's jobs are going to go *poof* and not all of of us who are worrying about that are die hard anti masking Trumpers. That being said if you're bitching because there are five different soup choices instead of 20 then yes maybe stop and count your blessing. However I also understand than when the world is on fire you seek control where you can. I am not even remotely close to a Karen I won't bitch at the staff they can't do anything about it more than I can there is no point in taking it out on them. But I can curse General Mills when there are no Cheerios. It's not like they can hear me.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 2, 2021 9:14:22 GMT -5
So why else aren’t people returning to work? Not really a reply to MJ2.0 just some observations on the people not going back to work: I think there may have been a "trickle" down effect - nearly 40 people at my employer retired during the pandemic - sure, not all of those middle to higher end positions were re-filled - but what happened is that it caused an increase in lower level jobs (entry level positions) across a bunch of departments to handle the work the "old folks" use to do (as in since all the "we do it the old way" people left - the office needed new people to do it the "new way".) I'm guessing many of the people who took these jobs may NOT have had previous white collar jobs... as it this is their first white collar job. A bunch of slightly higher paying white collar jobs also opened up - as some of the lower "white collar workers" moved up into some of the jobs that the retirees left. In some cases 2 people moved up (to fill 1 position) and additional people back filled the positions as the move up happened. I hang around with a lot of late 50's early 60's people and I was surprised by how many of them officially retired in 2020 and early 2021. Some got offered early retirement packages, some didn't but still walked away from their job. I suspect there was some need to hire people to those positions (or to move up people which would open up a lower level "entry level job") In a similar way - I think there might be quite a few workers who realized they could be SAHPs(a single income was enough) and that they didn't need to keep their jobs and so quit - thus allowing someone else to "move up" into their position which of course may have led to a need for a lower level person to start (which would get someone out of the "I'm working 2 minimum wage jobs to get by while trying to find a full time salaried job.) Perhaps many of the older folks who were working "for pin money" or to fill their time - found other ways to fill their time due to not working during the pandemic and now feel no need to go back to a "time filling job". Maybe they figured out a way to make ends meet with out the extra income or realized they didn't need the extra income. I wonder how they figure out the employment numbers - what happens to the people who quit jobs and aren't actively looking for a new job? What about all the people who got jobs during 2020? (my employer added in about 60 new people - (40 people retired and I'm not sure how many moved to other jobs/employers - so I'm not sure what the 60 represents - other than 60 people moved from other jobs or no job into a job and 40 people retired). Perhaps the worker shortage is simply because enough people who use to go to work - determined they no longer needed to work?? Even if 500,000 (a number I pulled out of my butt because it seems reasonable what with the number of boomers worker/and at or near retirement age) in America people left the work force permanently but their position was still needed - I think that would cause some "we don't have enough workers." issues.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 13, 2022 23:01:27 GMT -5
Thought I would bump this thread rather than start a new one. Shortages in the food industry, retail and restaurant, are worse than ever. To be honest between major grocery chains, WalMart, and the Super target grocery combo stores, they seem to be in worse shape than Aldi is. Aldi gets shopped heavily, but usually recovers in a couple of days, where as the others seem to be out of some items for weeks. I am beginning to see automobiles being delivered lately, so that shortage might be abating.
The ships in the Pacific were forced to stay further off the coast so it looked like the ports were catching up. they are not.
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Post by Opti on Jan 14, 2022 9:10:37 GMT -5
My grocery stores are better off than they were during the start of the pandemic. It was almost impossible to buy TP, hand sanitizer, and even liquid hand soap no matter what you were willing to pay. I remember overpaying for TP at a Family Dollar store, trying a scented TP. It apparently was so old, there was no scent whatsoever. Yet, I had something, as opposed to scouting through a dwindling supply of baby wipes, so it was all good.
Like before, manufacturers and grocery stores are carrying less items. There's been a warn on things like chicken tenders for months I think and some of my faves are still missing. Not sure if they will come back. Other things have really gone up in price, like Mary Kitchen hash, so it changes what I buy, when, and how often. Right now, my grocery store is trying a line of pastas like red lentil pasta and might be intentionally not stocking the more expensive Explore Cuisine. I don't like 100% lentil flour pasta; it is too harsh. So, I'm not going to buy any until I can find a new place to buy it. I expect this Feb/March will be like the rest during the pandemic, so I'll miss my favorite grocery shopping season - product drop/product add. Was a great time to get close outs on things you like, or things you were now willing to try at half price or so.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jan 14, 2022 10:28:06 GMT -5
I'm not seeing it much, here. Either it's regional, or I've gotten used to fewer choices and have adapted. Or the stores have gotten better at hiding the holes: our Tops is remodeling, so stuff is moved all over. Nothing is in its usual spot, so I can't see what might be missing.
But none of the individual items I had trouble buying, before, are still out of stock.
I have been buying less meat, though. We got a windfall of venison when an injured deer decided our south yard was a good place to lay down to die. Hunter friends helped DH harvest the meat, and we got a chest freezer for it all.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 14, 2022 14:47:39 GMT -5
I am not noticing any unusual shortages. except TP, which I have always said is about the dumbest thing to hoard, ever.
so, does anyone else see this as a nothing burger? or am I missing something "real"?
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Post by seriousthistime on Jan 14, 2022 15:01:37 GMT -5
I vote nothing burger.
I did a curbside pickup at the grocery store (Ralph's/Kroger), and also made a very quick trip to pick up something I forgot to add (coffee creamer, a necessity in this house). I got my full grocery order without any substitutions, and didn't notice any bare shelves when I ran into the store.
I also did some pre-New Years shopping inside Whole Foods. I didn't notice any bare shelves there.
The only thing I wasn't able to get locally was KN95 masks. CVS was out. I got them from Amazon instead.
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Post by plugginaway22 on Jan 14, 2022 15:03:59 GMT -5
Yes, no issues here in mid-Atlantic. Only the normal rush and buy before a snow event.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 14, 2022 15:31:43 GMT -5
the supply chain thing was something that got Biden's attention. apparently they went from 1 shift to two in Long Beach to get the freight flowing. it is tough with so many out sick right now, but there were no noticeable shortages, even during Christmas for me.
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Post by daisylu on Jan 14, 2022 15:32:15 GMT -5
Seems like every locality is different. I shop in an area about 70 miles northwest of DC, and our the grocery stores (including Walmarts) have had many empty shelves for the last almost 3 months. Everything from TP and cleaning supplies to canned goods & meats (that one is fairly new). For online orders you are certain to get substitutes - or nothing at all.
There are some substitutions I would be ok with but often they are something off the wall, so I usually choose no substitutes so that after they load I can go in and choose my own.
IMO, it depends where you live. But it is definitely a big deal around here.
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Post by Tiny on Jan 14, 2022 16:16:55 GMT -5
I do see empty shelves or smaller displays of food/stuff... but I've been able to buy what I've needed when I've needed to. It's like there are products available just less of it (or maybe fewer varieties). I haven't had an issue with TP or paper towels.
I don't think I'm a "typical shopper" though, I don't use a lot of specialty stuff or need a specific brand and tend to buy the "basic" version of most stuff. I don't grocery shop looking for something new and exciting to try - I just want to go in and get out. I'm pretty good at substituting (I just made some awesome homemade tomato soup with "not San Marzano" Fire Roasted Crushed tomatoes - because I couldn't find the "not San Marzano" typical canned diced or whole peeled tomatoes I would typically buy. (I use San Marzano's sometimes... expensive but worth every penny.) I have no idea why there were no brands of diced tomatoes or whole peeled tomatoes to be found at the Big Box grocery store. I scored some Muir Glenn fire roasted crushed tomatoes at Aldi - so that's what I used. It made some awesome soup... would use them again in the future.
The biggest change I've noticed is at the pet store - they no longer have cases of cat food for sale. in the past the shelves would be packed 2 cases deep - the front case would be open - and if you wanted 12 or 24 you grabbed a case from the back of the shelf. Now there's just a handful of loose cans on the shelves and nothing behind. It's been that way since July/August.
Not sure if it's a Pandemic thing - or the advent of home delivery of pet food - you can schedule a monthly order and then never have to go to the store again.
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Post by Tiny on Jan 14, 2022 16:20:52 GMT -5
I don't find the empty sections of the stores distressing. The stuff I'm shopping for is usually available (or I can substitute or make due). I'm flexible.
I've been assuming that the "missing" products were stuff I wouldn't buy away.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 14, 2022 16:30:47 GMT -5
I don't find the empty sections of the stores distressing. The stuff I'm shopping for is usually available (or I can substitute or make due). I'm flexible. I've been assuming that the "missing" products were stuff I wouldn't buy away. I don't find it distressing on a personal level in that I am pissed or upset that they don't have what I want I am pretty flexible and odds are here if one place doesn't have it the other will. I know I am privileged to not live in a food desert. It is distressing for me because it is now a trigger. I remember going to Walmart in March 2020 and it looked like a scene from The Walking Dead after they raided a place. Absolutely insane that people could behave that way over shit like frozen pizza and kleenex. The cashier I was talking to said she saw people literally fighting over stuff. The aisles looked the way they did because it wasn't safe for them to get in there to clean and it had been that way since 5 am. The last of the horde moved on about an hour before I arrived. We're talking food and boxes littered everywhere, shelves torn down off their bases, freezer doors hanging off their hinges. It would have made an absolutely perfect apocalyptic movie set. It makes me think of the worst of human behavior when I see empty shelves.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 14, 2022 16:49:42 GMT -5
the supply chain thing was something that got Biden's attention. apparently they went from 1 shift to two in Long Beach to get the freight flowing. it is tough with so many out sick right now, but there were no noticeable shortages, even during Christmas for me. I believe they were on two shifts, and Biden wanted a third shift so they ran 24 hours a day. CNBC reported for whatever reason it has not happened for the most part. Sometimes it was four hour shift, sometimes none. I do not know why.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 14, 2022 16:53:03 GMT -5
Seems like every locality is different. I shop in an area about 70 miles northwest of DC, and our the grocery stores (including Walmarts) have had many empty shelves for the last almost 3 months. Everything from TP and cleaning supplies to canned goods & meats (that one is fairly new). For online orders you are certain to get substitutes - or nothing at all. There are some substitutions I would be ok with but often they are something off the wall, so I usually choose no substitutes so that after they load I can go in and choose my own. IMO, it depends where you live. But it is definitely a big deal around here. My granddaughter lives in Ashburn Virginia and she agrees about shelf conditions. I though she was exaggerating. She sent pics to usthe last three weeks. She was not exaggerating. It even goes all the way to diapers and baby formula as well as dog and cat food.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jan 14, 2022 17:09:43 GMT -5
I do see empty shelves or smaller displays of food/stuff... but I've been able to buy what I've needed when I've needed to. It's like there are products available just less of it (or maybe fewer varieties). I haven't had an issue with TP or paper towels. I don't think I'm a "typical shopper" though, I don't use a lot of specialty stuff or need a specific brand and tend to buy the "basic" version of most stuff. I don't grocery shop looking for something new and exciting to try - I just want to go in and get out. I'm pretty good at substituting (I just made some awesome homemade tomato soup with "not San Marzano" Fire Roasted Crushed tomatoes - because I couldn't find the "not San Marzano" typical canned diced or whole peeled tomatoes I would typically buy. (I use San Marzano's sometimes... expensive but worth every penny.) I have no idea why there were no brands of diced tomatoes or whole peeled tomatoes to be found at the Big Box grocery store. I scored some Muir Glenn fire roasted crushed tomatoes at Aldi - so that's what I used. It made some awesome soup... would use them again in the future. The biggest change I've noticed is at the pet store - they no longer have cases of cat food for sale. in the past the shelves would be packed 2 cases deep - the front case would be open - and if you wanted 12 or 24 you grabbed a case from the back of the shelf. Now there's just a handful of loose cans on the shelves and nothing behind. It's been that way since July/August. Not sure if it's a Pandemic thing - or the advent of home delivery of pet food - you can schedule a monthly order and then never have to go to the store again. I'm not a typical shopper, either. I buy mostly basic ingredients, not tons of prepared foods. I also usually have a stockpile that I add to a bit at a time - if I find a great deal, I buy several; if it's a staple whose price never varies, I buy one a week and rotate from my stash at home. This way I don't have to worry about blizzard season, don't worry about running out if a storm prevents us from shopping. I'm flexible - if we run out of bread, I can bake bread from the stash. So when I couldn't buy spaghetti for a few weeks, I had enough to tide us over.
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Post by Opti on Jan 14, 2022 17:29:59 GMT -5
I do see empty shelves or smaller displays of food/stuff... but I've been able to buy what I've needed when I've needed to. It's like there are products available just less of it (or maybe fewer varieties). I haven't had an issue with TP or paper towels. I don't think I'm a "typical shopper" though, I don't use a lot of specialty stuff or need a specific brand and tend to buy the "basic" version of most stuff. I don't grocery shop looking for something new and exciting to try - I just want to go in and get out. I'm pretty good at substituting (I just made some awesome homemade tomato soup with "not San Marzano" Fire Roasted Crushed tomatoes - because I couldn't find the "not San Marzano" typical canned diced or whole peeled tomatoes I would typically buy. (I use San Marzano's sometimes... expensive but worth every penny.) I have no idea why there were no brands of diced tomatoes or whole peeled tomatoes to be found at the Big Box grocery store. I scored some Muir Glenn fire roasted crushed tomatoes at Aldi - so that's what I used. It made some awesome soup... would use them again in the future. The biggest change I've noticed is at the pet store - they no longer have cases of cat food for sale. in the past the shelves would be packed 2 cases deep - the front case would be open - and if you wanted 12 or 24 you grabbed a case from the back of the shelf. Now there's just a handful of loose cans on the shelves and nothing behind. It's been that way since July/August. Not sure if it's a Pandemic thing - or the advent of home delivery of pet food - you can schedule a monthly order and then never have to go to the store again. It's probably a combination of both. All the local chain pet stores now offer curbside pickup on your order. I went to a scheduled Chewy order finally because of the Skinny pig. I've adjusted to having a piece of wall dedicated to Skinny pig stuff I don't need right now but will soon. I'm not a typical shopper either, but there are some things I really do prefer whatever version of product it is. Like Explore Cuisine lentil pasta. They add in some rice flour, so it's more digestible for me and I like their easy cooking directions. Since meat got so expensive, this product became part of my vegetarian options for protein and if it does not come back to the stores I frequent, I will go without and probably find something unrelated to replace it with.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 14, 2022 19:33:06 GMT -5
interesting about it varying. I will admit that I have only been a few places during the pandemic: turkey, mexico, Chicago, bishop....I think that is about it. no supply chain issues any of those places.
so, this does appear to be a regional problem. just ordered a pair of unusual tires. made in Thailand, shipped from Indianapolis, got here in two days, free shipping. boom.
so, I dunno. nothingburger from here. but I guess in some microcosms it is a problem.
edit: LA, Palm Springs.....
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 14, 2022 19:52:23 GMT -5
Neither Sam's or BJ's have fresh chicken this week. I got the very last pack of chicken thighs at the grocery store Wednesday. Frozen fries have been in short supply for over a month. I noticed this both in MD and in NC after Christmas. Fresh stuff is very hit or miss. I have a hard time getting salad.
We seem to be fine on paper products and cleaning stuff. I did notice in Target last month the wet pet food supply was very slim. I was trying to pick up some toys as Christmas gifts.
Aldi today had no bagged salad and no shredded or fresh mozzarella.
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Post by ners on Jan 14, 2022 19:54:37 GMT -5
I use eggbeaters. There are no yellow eggbeaters to be had at Aldis only white.
I was at the service counter at grocery store the other day and the person was asking for baby formula. It appears that they keep the formula under lock and key.
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Post by kadee79 on Jan 14, 2022 21:39:29 GMT -5
I've been to 3 stores so far & can't find a T-bone any place. And there was a "new to me label" on some sirloin steak...it was 'filet of sirloin'. I bought that & it was fine, just like normal sirloin. Also, in many areas there are shortages of saltine crackers. With the crazy weather, a lot more folks are eating soups. There have been outages of other items, but they generally show up a week or so later...so no biggy.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jan 15, 2022 10:42:42 GMT -5
I've seen odd pockets of empty shelves, but nothing I couldn't live without or find a substitution. I seem to do better when I shop early in the day. Certain types of items or certain brands are coming up in short supply, but I am a stockpiler, so I usually have enough to last awhile. It's gotten cold in Flori-duh, so I expect soup, coffee, tea, hot cocoa mix and the like to run out, but I have all of that. We are not exactly missing any grocery stores here: Walmart, Target, Publix, Aldi, Winn Dixie, Fresh Market, Whole Foods, Sprouts, plus Latin grocery stores, all within 20 minutes of my house. Not a food desert by any means. What one does not have the others usually do. But we are fortunate; people living in more rural areas don't have these options.
I am considering ordering produce from a CSA and forcing myself to learn to use new-to-me items.
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Post by pooks on Jan 15, 2022 12:59:01 GMT -5
I have seen shortages, but it is nothing like the beginning of the pandemic. Now it seems very random and mostly short term.
2 weeks ago, there was a huge shortage of produce at most of our grocery stores. That was caused by snowstorms, closing the interstate and trucks not being able to make their scheduled deliveries. The stores are now back to fully stocked on veggies.
Now it is very random and not overly important stuff for my family. Can't find our favorite potato chip anywhere in town, lots of substitutes though. The frozen pizza section was just gone when I last went to the store. I don't eat frozen pizza, but I did notice the giant hole where the pizzas should be. Chicken of all types seemed to be in short supply. Lots of beef, but not the cut I wanted.
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Post by buystoys on Jan 15, 2022 13:32:51 GMT -5
While most shelves at our Walmart are full, the cracker aisle is almost empty. I don't know why that's what's gone, but it is.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 15, 2022 16:08:22 GMT -5
the supply chain thing was something that got Biden's attention. apparently they went from 1 shift to two in Long Beach to get the freight flowing. it is tough with so many out sick right now, but there were no noticeable shortages, even during Christmas for me. I believe they were on two shifts, and Biden wanted a third shift so they ran 24 hours a day. CNBC reported for whatever reason it has not happened for the most part. Sometimes it was four hour shift, sometimes none. I do not know why. My director discussed this in one of our weekly meetings. Even though the dock workers were working 3rd shift, the truck drivers who were needed to haul stuff away were not, so there wasn't anything to do for them. (I could be wrong on the specifics here, as that meeting was months ago, but it was along those lines.)
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 15, 2022 16:10:49 GMT -5
There's no unusual grocery store shortages here. They're better than the beginning of the pandemic, and no worse than they have been for the last several years. Even pre-pandemic it was spotty.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 15, 2022 20:00:04 GMT -5
I went to alidi this week and they were out of quite a few things. Mostly prepackaged and frozen stuff.
I was able to find substitutions for it all. Like there were no frozen mixed vegetables so I got canned. I'm using them in a fritter recipe I want to try so it doesn't really matter.
I got sticker shock at the price of cream. I was going to indulge for the soup I was making. I skipped it and used my usual evaporated milk instead of which I have several cans. Like using it for Mac and cheese it doesn't break as easy as regular milk or cream.
I saw plenty of paper products butbI never buy those at Alidi. They price gouge on paper products. I'm not paying $14 for four rolls of one ply. I get that at Walmart.
So I notice shortages but it's not consistent. I might need to go back to hitting more than one store. I'm okay with that especially if I can stack sales.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 16, 2022 12:01:13 GMT -5
I believe they were on two shifts, and Biden wanted a third shift so they ran 24 hours a day. CNBC reported for whatever reason it has not happened for the most part. Sometimes it was four hour shift, sometimes none. I do not know why. My director discussed this in one of our weekly meetings. Even though the dock workers were working 3rd shift, the truck drivers who were needed to haul stuff away were not, so there wasn't anything to do for them. (I could be wrong on the specifics here, as that meeting was months ago, but it was along those lines.) yeah. the truck drivers refused to show up until 8AM, i think (they stop picking up at 4AM). but i am pretty sure that DID get resolved.
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