Pfizer booster shots...ONLY for those

[kadee79]

Who had Pfizer shots in the first place.  Still waiting on data before approving any boosters for Moderna or J&J shots.


www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/can-you-get-a-pfizer-booster-shot-if-youve-had-moderna-covid-vaccine/ar-AAOMfSq?ocid=msedgntp&li=BBnb7Kz

[chiver78]

there was no data presented to FDA regarding mixing the flavors of shots, so that's not an approved protocol here. I know of folks in Canada that have mixed, here's hoping that data will help bolster the approval for all of that here. 

[NoNamePerson]

Is Pfizer the only one with booster? Push for unvaccinated to choose Pfizer over others possibly? Just wondering. I haven't kept up with all the pharma companies latest roll outs since vaccine became available shot one and two. Just curious. Off to google for info. 

[pulmonarymd]

It is only for Pfizer.

After 4 months, Pfizer is 77% effective at preventing hospitalizations, Moderna is 90% effective. Idea is to boost immunity because of delta with Pfizer booster, but Moderna continues to be as effective. There is also data about a second J and J shot. It has nothing to do with the unvaccinated. However, if they would get vaccinated, it would be more effective than giving boosters.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 24, 2021 14:40:29 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Is Pfizer the only one with booster? Push for unvaccinated to choose Pfizer over others possibly? Just wondering. I haven't kept up with all the pharma companies latest roll outs since vaccine became available shot one and two. Just curious. Off to google for info. 

Pfizer shot is the only one approved as a booster right now. Moderna and J&J booster approval soon.

[jerseygirl]

We had Moderna but thinking of Pfizer for booster

The mRNA is probably slightly different so making slightly different combinations of antibodies might increase immunity?

Think the combination was done in other countries, hoping to find some articles with data?

[kadee79]

Sept 24, 2021 20:14:18 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

We had Moderna but thinking of Pfizer for booster

The mRNA is probably slightly different so making slightly different combinations of antibodies might increase immunity?

Think the combination was done in other countries, hoping to find some articles with data?

What I've read so far says to not mix them.  
Yes, they have been mixed in other countries, but I haven't seen any stats on the percentage of keeping folks out of the hospitals or alive.  Don't even know if there is any kind of study on that.  I know at least one cyber buddy in Canada who had one each of Pfizer & Moderna.

[chiver78]

Sept 24, 2021 20:14:18 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

We had Moderna but thinking of Pfizer for booster

The mRNA is probably slightly different so making slightly different combinations of antibodies might increase immunity?

Think the combination was done in other countries, hoping to find some articles with data?

as of today, you can't. unless you lie about your first two doses and present as 1st time Pfizer recipients. 

as far as increasing immunity, Moderna vs Pfizer still came up with Moderna as stronger, longer. I can dig up some scientific links if you need me to. 

[kadee79]

Sept 25, 2021 17:39:53 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 24, 2021 20:14:18 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

We had Moderna but thinking of Pfizer for booster

The mRNA is probably slightly different so making slightly different combinations of antibodies might increase immunity?

Think the combination was done in other countries, hoping to find some articles with data?

as of today, you can't. unless you lie about your first two doses and present as 1st time Pfizer recipients. 

as far as increasing immunity, Moderna vs Pfizer still came up with Moderna as stronger, longer. I can dig up some scientific links if you need me to. 

Here is a link about Moderna being better for longer than Pfizer...I had posted it on another board so it was easy for me to go copy....


www.post-gazette.com/news/health/2021/09/18/Big-gap-between-Pfizer-Moderna-vaccines-seen-for-preventing-COVID-19-hospitalizations/stories/202109180045

[chiver78]

thanks, kadee! 

[jerseygirl]

Thanks kadee and chiver!
Yes understand Moderna is more effective and very happy we got this
Just in general thinking about the possible efficacy increase with having both Pfizer and Moderna

DrDS git his Pfizer booster today, he had Pfizer originally
Most of family except him and 16 yr old GS have Moderna
Now hoping for younger kids with Pfizer
Although Pfizer is showing lower efficacy it was faster
Very extremely grateful for all!

[chiver78]

any vax is better than none, so without restrictions*, take what you can get. I hope the children are able to get a Pfizer dose, as that's further along the approvals pipeline than anyhting else in the US. I will admit, I've lost the A/Z flavor in the weeds bc it isn't approved here. 

*for example, I can't have a flu shot due to a number of things in processing. that ruled out J&J for me, as a vax processed very similarly to a flu shot. I also am badly allergic to shellish. Pfizer's caution for shellfish allergies ruled that one out for me, too. so I was basically Moderna or I don't leave my house til the anti-vaxxers are overcome. 

[bean29]

My Mom expressed some concern to me last night about getting a vaccine booster shot.  she was vaccinated in March with the Moderna Shot.  I told her the Moderna shot was stronger, and right now the only boosters that were recommended for Pfizer were for those that are immuno compromised or over 65 basically.  Rather than confuser her trying to listen to various people with differing opinions, I just told her to call her Dr, and follow their advice.  

I saw somewhere someone say So and So had died from the Delta Variant of Covid-19.  I thought they were not disclosing what variant anyone has in the US?  Would that just be speculation, or do they actually inform you?

[pulmonarymd]

If it was recent, it is likely the delta variant. It has completely taken over now.
But, no, we are not routinely doing gene testing to know which variant someone had.

[kadee79]

Moderna & J&J boosters may be available by the end of Oct.  If I go according to some suggestions of waiting 8 months between the 2nd & 3rd shots...then I don't get mine until Nov.


www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/if-you-got-moderna-or-jandj-this-is-likely-the-soonest-you-can-get-a-booster/ss-AAPl12l?ocid=msedgntp&li=BBnb7Kz#image=3

[djAdvocate]

Sept 27, 2021 11:23:18 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If it was recent, it is likely the delta variant. It has completely taken over now.
But, no, we are not routinely doing gene testing to know which variant someone had.

the last number I heard was either 86% or 90% of all new cases. that HAD to have been a month ago, which means the numbers are certainly in the 90's, and approaching 100%.

[chiver78]

I'm getting annoyed with some acquaintances the past few days. posting on FB about having gotten a Moderna "booster" from their Drs. Moderna boosters aren't approved yet, so what exactly did they get, and how is it okay? thanks for adding more inappropriate "facts" to the mix, kids. 🙄😡

[wvugurl26]

health.clevelandclinic.org/when-can-immunocompromised-people-get-the-covid-19-booster-shot/

According to that if you are immune compromised you can get a third dose of Moderna. However, I imagine this isn't a huge percentage of the population.

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 12, 2021 21:43:56 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

health.clevelandclinic.org/when-can-immunocompromised-people-get-the-covid-19-booster-shot/

According to that if you are immune compromised you can get a third dose of Moderna. However, I imagine this isn't a huge percentage of the population.

About 10-15 million Americans

[kadee79]

And right now, I just read (no link) that the Moderna has such good numbers still that at this point the 3rd shot isn't needed.  And also so new info on mixing the shots...is showing better protection too...but you need to research which mix is best...cause I don't remember.

[Value Buy]

Kadee mentioned this in an earlier post, but ABC News tonight was reporting everyone might soon take a booster from any company rather than the company that supplied your shots. the ole mix and match game!
Moderna is saying their booster will only be a half a dose because that will put you back in the high 90's range of effectiveness
Pfizer and J&J need the entire dose.

Still wondering will the young kids get a full dose or partial dose due to their size and weight is much less than an adult.

[Value Buy]

www.cnbc.com/2021/10/13/jj-covid-vaccine-recipients-are-better-off-getting-pfizer-or-moderna-booster-nih-study-suggests.html

[chiver78]

Oct 13, 2021 21:46:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Kadee mentioned this in an earlier post, but ABC News tonight was reporting everyone might soon take a booster from any company rather than the company that supplied your shots. the ole mix and match game!
Moderna is saying their booster will only be a half a dose because that will put you back in the high 90's range of effectiveness
Pfizer and J&J need the entire dose.

Still wondering will the young kids get a full dose or partial dose due to their size and weight is much less than an adult.

kids doses will not be the same as adult. that's standard practice, and why the shots weren't available to them early on. 

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2021 7:37:29 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Oct 13, 2021 21:46:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Kadee mentioned this in an earlier post, but ABC News tonight was reporting everyone might soon take a booster from any company rather than the company that supplied your shots. the ole mix and match game!
Moderna is saying their booster will only be a half a dose because that will put you back in the high 90's range of effectiveness
Pfizer and J&J need the entire dose.

Still wondering will the young kids get a full dose or partial dose due to their size and weight is much less than an adult.

kids doses will not be the same as adult. that's standard practice, and why the shots weren't available to them early on. 

Which brings us to mothers with unborn children getting the vaccination. Doesn't the unborn child receive the vaccination dose of an adult person? 

[chiver78]

Oct 14, 2021 9:30:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 14, 2021 7:37:29 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

kids doses will not be the same as adult. that's standard practice, and why the shots weren't available to them early on. 

Which brings us to mothers with unborn children getting the vaccination. Doesn't the unborn child receive the vaccination dose of an adult person? 

the full dose doesn't filter down to the fetus, similar to any other drug the mother would consume/inject. alcohol, nicotine, heroin, pharmaceuticals. or, vitamins - naturally occurring in foods or in the form of neonatal vitamins. that's just simple biology. 

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 14, 2021 9:30:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 14, 2021 7:37:29 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

kids doses will not be the same as adult. that's standard practice, and why the shots weren't available to them early on. 

Which brings us to mothers with unborn children getting the vaccination. Doesn't the unborn child receive the vaccination dose of an adult person? 

Why all the interest. We have given vaccinations to pregnant women for ages. Flu vaccines are given during pregnancy. The dose will be a fraction of the adult dose as it needs to get across the placenta, after it has circulated through a women's entire blood volume and has been taken up by many of the cells in her body. So, even if it crosses the placenta, the dose is lower.

More importantly, pregnant women have an increased risk of severe disease, which can lead to miscarriage, fetal demise, stillbirth, premature birth, and maternal death. If a women gets admitted with severe COVID, oxygen delivery to the fetus can be compromised. In addition, medications can get into the fetal circulation, and we may need to avoid using some medications to treat the mother. All in all, the risk/benefit calculation in pregnancy is in favor of the vaccine. 

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2021 9:49:32 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Oct 14, 2021 9:30:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Which brings us to mothers with unborn children getting the vaccination. Doesn't the unborn child receive the vaccination dose of an adult person? 

Why all the interest. We have given vaccinations to pregnant women for ages. Flu vaccines are given during pregnancy. The dose will be a fraction of the adult dose as it needs to get across the placenta, after it has circulated through a women's entire blood volume and has been taken up by many of the cells in her body. So, even if it crosses the placenta, the dose is lower.

More importantly, pregnant women have an increased risk of severe disease, which can lead to miscarriage, fetal demise, stillbirth, premature birth, and maternal death. If a women gets admitted with severe COVID, oxygen delivery to the fetus can be compromised. In addition, medications can get into the fetal circulation, and we may need to avoid using some medications to treat the mother. All in all, the risk/benefit calculation in pregnancy is in favor of the vaccine. 

Why all the interest?
Quite frankly I know pregnant women who have questions about. Neighbors with pregnant daughters, two Grandkidsof mine, now adults wondering if she is pregnant is it ok? I did not have the answer and suggested talking to their primary doctor as well as the Obstetrition (sp) for guidance.
I am an advocate of being vaccinated, I am not the problem, just asked the question here to further the dicussion.

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 14, 2021 10:38:52 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 14, 2021 9:49:32 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Why all the interest. We have given vaccinations to pregnant women for ages. Flu vaccines are given during pregnancy. The dose will be a fraction of the adult dose as it needs to get across the placenta, after it has circulated through a women's entire blood volume and has been taken up by many of the cells in her body. So, even if it crosses the placenta, the dose is lower.

More importantly, pregnant women have an increased risk of severe disease, which can lead to miscarriage, fetal demise, stillbirth, premature birth, and maternal death. If a women gets admitted with severe COVID, oxygen delivery to the fetus can be compromised. In addition, medications can get into the fetal circulation, and we may need to avoid using some medications to treat the mother. All in all, the risk/benefit calculation in pregnancy is in favor of the vaccine. 

Why all the interest?
Quite frankly I know pregnant women who have questions about. Neighbors with pregnant daughters, two Grandkidsof mine, now adults wondering if she is pregnant is it ok? I did not have the answer and suggested talking to their primary doctor as well as the Obstetrition (sp) for guidance.
I am an advocate of being vaccinated, I am not the problem, just asked the question here to further the dicussion.

American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology strongly recommends the vaccine.Not sure what more information is needed. Not like non-physicians and non-scientists have the base of knowledge to ie different recommendations

[taz157]

When I was pregnant with DD2 (she’s now 2 months old), I was asked about getting the Covid vaccine. I declined it because it was a “new” vaccine and I wasn’t sure of the long-term effects to me or DD2. Also, it’s not like you can test pregnant ladies in general. Why take the risk? I totally understand why pregnant ladies don’t want to get it. 🤷‍♀️

As background, it had taken 5 years and 5 miscarriages to have DD2 (my last miscarriage was right when lockdowns started). I was already working from home as with DH and DD1 was doing virtual school for my entire pregnancy. We weren’t going out a lot and being careful and masked when we were.

FWIW, I’ve since gotten the Covid vaccine.

[Spellbound454]

We were told pregnant women have to have the vaccination because they are at more risk of Covid complications.

As for boosters.... We have had double AZ vaccine and will get Pfizer for a booster... (that's just what they have decided to do)
Also a flu shot ..... and probably go to the pharmacy walk-in because the local surgery is still dealing with a back log