6-step plan to over-throw the election..2020

[kadee79]

They had it all laid out only Pence finally decided he didn't have the authority....

A conservative lawyer working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team tried to convince then-Vice President Mike Pence that he could overturn the election results on January 6 when Congress counted the Electoral College votes by throwing out electors from seven states, according to the new book "Peril" from Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

The scheme put forward by controversial lawyer John Eastman was outlined in a two-page memo obtained by the authors for "Peril," and which was subsequently obtained by CNN. The memo, which has not previously been made public, provides new detail showing how Trump and his team tried to persuade Pence to subvert the Constitution and throw out the election results on January 6.

The effort to sway Pence was just one of several behind-the-scenes attempts that Trump's team undertook ahead of January 6 in a desperate bid to overturn the 2020 election loss, after dozens of lawsuits were thrown out of the courts. "Peril," which will be released Tuesday, details how Eastman's memo was sent to GOP Sen. Mike Lee of Utah and how Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani tried to convince fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina of election fraud. But both Lee and Graham scoffed at the arguments and found they had no merit.

"You might as well make your case to Queen Elizabeth II. Congress can't do this. You're wasting your time," Lee said to Trump's lawyers trying to overturn the results in Georgia, according to the book.

The Eastman memo laid out a six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election for Trump, which included throwing out the results in seven states because they allegedly had competing electors. In fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors -- there were merely Trump allies claiming without any authority to be electors.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/memo-shows-trump-lawyers-six-step-plan-for-pence-to-overturn-the-election/ar-AAOEaDz?ocid=msedgntp&li=BBnb7Kz

[djAdvocate]

he never cared about legality. he just wanted to be emperor.

[Tennesseer]

trump and his 'legal team are just the sleaziest scum of the earth.

I feel like I need to take a shower after reading the linked article in the OP.

[djAdvocate]

I feel dirty just thinking about him.
can we please stop?

[Tennesseer]

Law professor, cited by Trump attorney John Eastman, says his argument was abused as part of a 'ploy' to get Pence to overturn the 2020 election

A law professor whose work was cited as part of an effort to overturn the 2020 election says former President Donald Trump's legal team butchered his argument as part of their "ploy" to disenfranchise millions of voters.

But nowhere in the September 2020 piece did Tribe and his coauthors argue that Pence would have the power to do any of this on his own, be it rejecting slates of electors or handing the matter off to the House.

Tribe was unimpressed.

"This Eastman memo pretends to be based on my analysis," he posted on Twitter, "but in fact takes snippets of my work wholly out of context and spits a totally fake web of 'law' that no halfway decent lawyer would take seriously."

Complete article here: link

[thyme4change]

I never thought I would have anything positive to say about Mike Pence, however, he saved America. I know we are still a total mess, but, things would have been violent if Pence had complied.

[kadee79]

Sept 22, 2021 9:38:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I never thought I would have anything positive to say about Mike Pence, however, he saved America. I know we are still a total mess, but, things would have been violent if Pence had complied.

Well, thank Dan Quayle for convincing Pence that he didn't have the authority & couldn't do it.

[thyme4change]

Sept 22, 2021 21:42:34 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Sept 22, 2021 9:38:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I never thought I would have anything positive to say about Mike Pence, however, he saved America. I know we are still a total mess, but, things would have been violent if Pence had complied.

Well, thank Dan Quayle for convincing Pence that he didn't have the authority & couldn't do it.

I thought it was that judge - Luttig or something like that?

I guess Pence asked multiple people and never got the answer Trump wanted.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Sept 23, 2021 8:39:40 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 22, 2021 21:42:34 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Well, thank Dan Quayle for convincing Pence that he didn't have the authority & couldn't do it.

I thought it was that judge - Luttig or something like that?

I guess Pence asked multiple people and never got the answer Trump wanted.

so he was considering it.

[billisonboard]

Sept 23, 2021 9:22:11 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Sept 23, 2021 8:39:40 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I thought it was that judge - Luttig or something like that?

I guess Pence asked multiple people and never got the answer Trump wanted.

so he was considering it.

The President of the United States asked the Vice President to do something. Of course he considered it. And then didn't do it when he determined he didn't have the power. Sounds like he did his job.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Sept 23, 2021 9:31:04 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 23, 2021 9:22:11 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

so he was considering it.

The President of the United States asked the Vice President to do something. Of course he considered it. And then didn't do it when he determined he didn't have the power. Sounds like he did his job.

the ask was to overturn an election. it should not have been considered.

[billisonboard]

Sept 23, 2021 9:43:12 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Sept 23, 2021 9:31:04 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The President of the United States asked the Vice President to do something. Of course he considered it. And then didn't do it when he determined he didn't have the power. Sounds like he did his job.

the ask was to overturn an election. it should not have been considered.

He exercised due diligence by researching it.

[thyme4change]

I am with bills on this one. Especially if he really did believe there was some kind of fraud.

[kadee79]

Sept 23, 2021 13:53:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I am with bills on this one. Especially if he really did believe there was some kind of fraud.

He wasn't worried about any fraud, he was trying to please DT so that DT would still be his friend.  
Pence is pathetic.  He only 'did his job' cause he couldn't find any kind of an "out" to please DT!  

[djAdvocate]

Sept 23, 2021 13:53:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I am with bills on this one. Especially if he really did believe there was some kind of fraud.

I am not really with bills on this one.

the man was Vice President. he should KNOW what his job is, and what it is not.

furthermore, if he believed there was fraud, then he should have informed himself otherwise. that only multiplies his very real flaws.

I agree with Rukh. he should have told Trump to stuff it. that would have been the respectable thing to do.

[Icelandic Woman]

Sept 23, 2021 16:35:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 23, 2021 13:53:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I am with bills on this one. Especially if he really did believe there was some kind of fraud.

I am not really with bills on this one.

the man was Vice President. he should KNOW what his job is, and what it is not.

furthermore, if he believed there was fraud, then he should have informed himself otherwise. that only multiplies his very real flaws.

I agree with Rukh. he should have told Trump to stuff it. that would have been the respectable thing to do.

Ha ha ha The idiot playing President in this reality horror show didn't know what is job was so it is kind of a far leap that he would pick a VP that would know shit about his job without Mother telling him.

[thyme4change]

Mike Pence was never a constitutional scholar or lawyer. And frankly, with this situation having never come up before, I could see why he would think "hmm- that doesn't sound right. I will ask the experts."

Isn't that what we want these days. Instead of just believing you KNOW something - listen to the experts. If you are right, they will only confirm it. If you are wrong, you can learn something new.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 24, 2021 16:07:30 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mike Pence was never a constitutional scholar or lawyer. And frankly, with this situation having never come up before, I could see why he would think "hmm- that doesn't sound right. I will ask the experts."

Isn't that what we want these days. Instead of just believing you KNOW something - listen to the experts. If you are right, they will only confirm it. If you are wrong, you can learn something new.

if had called Obama, I would have understood.

he called Dan Quayle.

[billisonboard]

Sept 23, 2021 16:35:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 23, 2021 13:53:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I am with bills on this one. Especially if he really did believe there was some kind of fraud.

I am not really with bills on this one.

the man was Vice President. he should KNOW what his job is, and what it is not.

furthermore, if he believed there was fraud, then he should have informed himself otherwise. that only multiplies his very real flaws.

I agree with Rukh. he should have told Trump to stuff it. that would have been the respectable thing to do.

Former President Trump knows everything about everything. He doesn't need advice from anyone. I see that as a major fault. I appreciate people who seek other's views on critical issues.

[kadee79]

Sept 24, 2021 18:39:38 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 23, 2021 16:35:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am not really with bills on this one.

the man was Vice President. he should KNOW what his job is, and what it is not.

furthermore, if he believed there was fraud, then he should have informed himself otherwise. that only multiplies his very real flaws.

I agree with Rukh. he should have told Trump to stuff it. that would have been the respectable thing to do.

Former President Trump knows everything about everything. He doesn't need advice from anyone. I see that as a major fault. I appreciate people who seek other's views on critical issues.

Even when they are so far on the edge & any little push would have had us end up so much different?....

A conservative lawyer who counselled Trump about how to overturn the election result has revealed details of Mike Pence's involvement.

John Eastman claims the former VP 'wanted to look at' an idea that Trump liked about adjourning a joint meeting of Congress after lawmakers gathered to count the electoral votes submitted by states.

'He asked me point blank: do you think I have that authority,' Eastman said, describing a scenario where Pence would act on his own authority to refuse to accept ballots.

'And I told him point blank, it's an open question, but even if you had, it would be foolish to exercise it, absent legislatures certifying the alternate slate of electors.'

The delay could have bought valuable time for state legislatures to try to push through competing slates of delegates for Trump – and provide a way for Congress to return at a later date and count electors for Trump.

Eastman, who spoke at the 'Stop the Steal' rally on Jan. 6th, says he ran through a variety of options with the former President during a high-stakes Jan. 4th White House meeting, where Pence was also present.

This included discussion of a scenario where Pence could open ballots submitted by states and determine on his own authority which set was valid – even knocking out ballots sent by states that were in dispute.

'He was thrilled by the law review arguments that Pence could simply decide which electoral ballots count or not,' Eastman told DailyMail.com in an interview, describing Trump's reaction.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-queried-lawyer-on-whether-he-could-adjourn-congress-jan-6th/ar-AAON76A?ocid=msedgntp&li=BBnb7Kz

[billisonboard]

Sept 24, 2021 20:11:16 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Sept 24, 2021 18:39:38 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Former President Trump knows everything about everything. He doesn't need advice from anyone. I see that as a major fault. I appreciate people who seek other's views on critical issues.

Even when they are so far on the edge & any little push would have had us end up so much different?....

A conservative lawyer who counselled Trump about how to overturn the election result has revealed details of Mike Pence's involvement.

John Eastman claims the former VP 'wanted to look at' an idea that Trump liked about adjourning a joint meeting of Congress after lawmakers gathered to count the electoral votes submitted by states.

'He asked me point blank: do you think I have that authority,' Eastman said, describing a scenario where Pence would act on his own authority to refuse to accept ballots.

'And I told him point blank, it's an open question, but even if you had, it would be foolish to exercise it, absent legislatures certifying the alternate slate of electors.'

The delay could have bought valuable time for state legislatures to try to push through competing slates of delegates for Trump – and provide a way for Congress to return at a later date and count electors for Trump.

Eastman, who spoke at the 'Stop the Steal' rally on Jan. 6th, says he ran through a variety of options with the former President during a high-stakes Jan. 4th White House meeting, where Pence was also present.

This included discussion of a scenario where Pence could open ballots submitted by states and determine on his own authority which set was valid – even knocking out ballots sent by states that were in dispute.

'He was thrilled by the law review arguments that Pence could simply decide which electoral ballots count or not,' Eastman told DailyMail.com in an interview, describing Trump's reaction.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-queried-lawyer-on-whether-he-could-adjourn-congress-jan-6th/ar-AAON76A?ocid=msedgntp&li=BBnb7Kz

Particularly when they are.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 24, 2021 18:39:38 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 23, 2021 16:35:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am not really with bills on this one.

the man was Vice President. he should KNOW what his job is, and what it is not.

furthermore, if he believed there was fraud, then he should have informed himself otherwise. that only multiplies his very real flaws.

I agree with Rukh. he should have told Trump to stuff it. that would have been the respectable thing to do.

Former President Trump knows everything about everything. He doesn't need advice from anyone. I see that as a major fault. I appreciate people who seek other's views on critical issues.

I don't appreciate people who need expert advice to dispel easily debunked claims.