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Post by crazycat on Sept 18, 2021 10:59:53 GMT -5
I just binge watched the whole thing yesterday . Very interesting and very scary . The couple who started it are downright nuts . I never bought any of their clothes , I personally thought a lot of it was “ugly” .
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 19, 2021 9:06:12 GMT -5
I had a lot of pampered chef friends 20 years ago. To help them out, I would go to the parties and I would usually buy a couple of things. I wouldn't even listen to their pitch. But, I needed kitchen stuff, and thennseemed happy just to get some sales. It was very expensive, so I did not buy much. However, that shit lasted me for, like, 15 years. If I had known, I probably would have bought more.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Sept 19, 2021 9:56:09 GMT -5
My sister in law used to sell Pampered Chef. One of her friends still does it. Facebook parties are the current thing. All the stuff I've bought seems very sturdy. My current favorite is the citrus press. If kitchen stuff is good quality I am okay with paying more than Target/Walmart prices.
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Post by crazycat on Sept 19, 2021 12:29:36 GMT -5
I had a lot of pampered chef friends 20 years ago. To help them out, I would go to the parties and I would usually buy a couple of things. I wouldn't even listen to their pitch. But, I needed kitchen stuff, and thennseemed happy just to get some sales. It was very expensive, so I did not buy much. However, that shit lasted me for, like, 15 years. If I had known, I probably would have bought more. My Sis had a Pampered Chef party about 20 years ago . I still have the items I bought from her . They are expensive but they do last . Or at least the ones I bought forever ago . I don’t know if the quality is still there.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 19, 2021 13:31:39 GMT -5
I just binge watched the whole thing yesterday . Very interesting and very scary . The couple who started it are downright nuts . I never bought any of their clothes , I personally thought a lot of it was “ugly” . I started watching it yesterday, only have one episode left. The whole thing with the different patterns reminds me of the craze over getting all the beanie babies back when they were a thing. It wasn’t whether the patterns were pretty or not, you just had to get them before they were no longer available. So far they haven’t talked about where these were made. I’m assuming their first manufacturing vendor was over whelmed and they searched around for cheaper options because quality didn’t matter- if you bought 5000 bucks worth of clothes that was your problem not Lularoes problem. I can see how it was a giant cash making machine for the owners. Curious if the wife was getting a kickback from the Mexican clinic doing the gastric sleeve surgeries. That seemed like a scam too.
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Post by justme on Sept 19, 2021 16:25:54 GMT -5
Kickback or her family got theirs for free if they brought it enough people.
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Post by pooks on Sept 19, 2021 17:10:19 GMT -5
I have no experience with LuLaRoe, but DDIL got sucked into an MLM about 3.5 years ago. It was very culty, her upline and downline became her whole world overnight, all with constant positivity and a clone like look. The products weren't even good. The hair and make up products, which were insanely expensive, appeared to ruin her naturally great hair and caked on her skin.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 19, 2021 19:35:39 GMT -5
I have no experience with LuLaRoe, but DDIL got sucked into an MLM about 3.5 years ago. It was very culty, her upline and downline became her whole world overnight, all with constant positivity and a clone like look. The products weren't even good. The hair and make up products, which were insanely expensive, appeared to ruin her naturally great hair and caked on her skin. Lularoe was exactly the same only they sold clothes. Pay 5 to 10000 to get your first order and it’s on you to sell it. Which was fine when they first started and people liked the clothes, but then they started storing some outside where they got wet, moldy or sun damaged, and the fabric quality tanked, but you were still stuck with the poor quality stuff, couldn’t return it. Probably all these MLMs are pretty much the same MO.
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Post by swamp on Sept 20, 2021 11:14:17 GMT -5
I had a lot of pampered chef friends 20 years ago. To help them out, I would go to the parties and I would usually buy a couple of things. I wouldn't even listen to their pitch. But, I needed kitchen stuff, and thennseemed happy just to get some sales. It was very expensive, so I did not buy much. However, that shit lasted me for, like, 15 years. If I had known, I probably would have bought more. The pampered chef garlic press is da bomb.
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Post by tractor on Sept 22, 2021 8:42:24 GMT -5
My wife bought a ton of pampered chef items many years ago, most have held up well and still get used almost daily. I'm not a big garage sale person, but PC items are typically a good find.
I am glad her buying spree stopped 10-15 years ago, but it worked out in the long run.
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Post by seriousthistime on Sept 22, 2021 14:09:44 GMT -5
In LuLaRich, it was mentioned that when one MLM company quits the business, the consultants scatter to other MLM companies. People are gullible.
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Post by engineerdoe on Sept 22, 2021 14:43:14 GMT -5
I just binge watched the whole thing yesterday . Very interesting and very scary . The couple who started it are downright nuts . I never bought any of their clothes , I personally thought a lot of it was “ugly” . I started watching it yesterday, only have one episode left. The whole thing with the different patterns reminds me of the craze over getting all the beanie babies back when they were a thing. It wasn’t whether the patterns were pretty or not, you just had to get them before they were no longer available. So far they haven’t talked about where these were made. I’m assuming their first manufacturing vendor was over whelmed and they searched around for cheaper options because quality didn’t matter- if you bought 5000 bucks worth of clothes that was your problem not Lularoes problem. I can see how it was a giant cash making machine for the owners. Curious if the wife was getting a kickback from the Mexican clinic doing the gastric sleeve surgeries. That seemed like a scam too. I believe it was her sister that got the kickback from the clinic as she was the one doing the scheduling. I don't have proof but I think the women and men who opted to do this and scheduled through the sister wrote the check directly to the sister, she took her cut and paid the clinic.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 22, 2021 15:05:37 GMT -5
I started watching it yesterday, only have one episode left. The whole thing with the different patterns reminds me of the craze over getting all the beanie babies back when they were a thing. It wasn’t whether the patterns were pretty or not, you just had to get them before they were no longer available. So far they haven’t talked about where these were made. I’m assuming their first manufacturing vendor was over whelmed and they searched around for cheaper options because quality didn’t matter- if you bought 5000 bucks worth of clothes that was your problem not Lularoes problem. I can see how it was a giant cash making machine for the owners. Curious if the wife was getting a kickback from the Mexican clinic doing the gastric sleeve surgeries. That seemed like a scam too. I believe it was her sister that got the kickback from the clinic as she was the one doing the scheduling. I don't have proof but I think the women and men who opted to do this and scheduled through the sister wrote the check directly to the sister, she took her cut and paid the clinic. Wow that should have raised some red flags with them!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 22, 2021 15:06:11 GMT -5
I started watching it yesterday, only have one episode left. The whole thing with the different patterns reminds me of the craze over getting all the beanie babies back when they were a thing. It wasn’t whether the patterns were pretty or not, you just had to get them before they were no longer available. So far they haven’t talked about where these were made. I’m assuming their first manufacturing vendor was over whelmed and they searched around for cheaper options because quality didn’t matter- if you bought 5000 bucks worth of clothes that was your problem not Lularoes problem. I can see how it was a giant cash making machine for the owners. Curious if the wife was getting a kickback from the Mexican clinic doing the gastric sleeve surgeries. That seemed like a scam too. I believe it was her sister that got the kickback from the clinic as she was the one doing the scheduling. I don't have proof but I think the women and men who opted to do this and scheduled through the sister wrote the check directly to the sister, she took her cut and paid the clinic. And that ladies and gentlemen is how you end up on Botched. ANY time a surgery is being offered to you as a "really good deal" run . . .run FAR away.
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Post by justme on Sept 22, 2021 16:03:31 GMT -5
I believe it was her sister that got the kickback from the clinic as she was the one doing the scheduling. I don't have proof but I think the women and men who opted to do this and scheduled through the sister wrote the check directly to the sister, she took her cut and paid the clinic. And that ladies and gentlemen is how you end up on Botched. ANY time a surgery is being offered to you as a "really good deal" run . . .run FAR away. I will say that show has made it so if I DO have plastic surgery I'm going to wait until I can get on their calendar lol. Though a place in Turkey is the new botched plastic surgery place. A trash reality show on TLC I watch is following them getting botched... oh wait I mean "snatched".
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 22, 2021 22:12:17 GMT -5
My wife bought a ton of pampered chef items many years ago, most have held up well and still get used almost daily. I'm not a big garage sale person, but PC items are typically a good find. I am glad her buying spree stopped 10-15 years ago, but it worked out in the long run. My sister sold Pampered Chef and I wound up with a good supply of things. My pizza stone was the only casualty of my last move. When we were consolidating households after my move, I told TD my PC stuff stayed. Hell, I still have Tupperware I bought when I moved out of my folks house 40 years ago!
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Post by Tiny on Sept 23, 2021 10:49:14 GMT -5
NPR had interviews with people who have been involved with MLMs (or pyramid schemes) and who have written books about the "business" or how they got out/survived.
It was an hour long "show" - listened to most of it.
The biggest take away for me was that for the majority of people involved with MLMs it's a loosing proposition - they do not come out ahead or make money.
And that MLMs use predatory tactics to recruit people (the majority being women). And the MLMs target people who may already be at a disadvantage (SAHM, Military spouses, people in low paying insecure jobs)
And that MLMs are NOT an ethical or sustainable business model (they often portray the business as "helping" people...)
The one bright spot - is that if you are already wealthy before starting with an MLM you may have a better outcome - as you can keep pouring money into it and may have an ever changing of network of people to recruit from (not to mention the cache you might have with people because you are "wealthy").
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Post by justme on Sept 23, 2021 16:21:34 GMT -5
It was several years ago, but the FTC either did a study or commissioned one and the conclusion was 99% of MLM participants don't make a profit. Yet they're still not regulated/outlawed.
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Post by justme on Sept 23, 2021 22:21:49 GMT -5
Possibly? I know I didn't read the whole study, it was just an article that I read that either was on the FTC website or referred to the FTC.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Sept 23, 2021 22:46:19 GMT -5
It was several years ago, but the FTC either did a study or commissioned one and the conclusion was 99% of MLM participants don't make a profit. Yet they're still not regulated/outlawed. Two things 1) optavia is mostly an MLM. They do publish their Annual stats for how many “coaches” are in each range of income. 2) can’t regulate gullible in a capitalistic economy.
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Post by justme on Sept 23, 2021 23:16:56 GMT -5
It was several years ago, but the FTC either did a study or commissioned one and the conclusion was 99% of MLM participants don't make a profit. Yet they're still not regulated/outlawed. Two things 1) optavia is mostly an MLM. They do publish their Annual stats for how many “coaches” are in each range of income. 2) can’t regulate gullible in a capitalistic economy. 1) Admittedly I didn't search much - but the first response on google is the revenue per person NOT income - which is quite different. How would the company know the income/profit unless each individual reports all their expenses to them...which would be unique to optavia whatever the hell that is 2) You 100% can. There's regulations between exempt and non-exempt employees. There's started to be more regulations on 1099 employees. We've regulated blatant pyramid schemes. In fact lularoe wouldn't have become what it was if there was a law that explicitly stated that companies can only pay out on SALES not inventory. Add in another law that says a company's revenue can only be say 30% from sign up fees and bam mlms cut off at the knees. It's just updating current pyramid laws to close loopholes people found.
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Post by nidena on Sept 24, 2021 8:10:47 GMT -5
It was several years ago, but the FTC either did a study or commissioned one and the conclusion was 99% of MLM participants don't make a profit. Yet they're still not regulated/outlawed. Two things 1) optavia is mostly an MLM. They do publish their Annual stats for how many “coaches” are in each range of income. 2) can’t regulate gullible in a capitalistic economy. I akin MLMs to abusive relationships and, as such, I try to minimize the insults towards people who've been involved in them. Myself included. The companies have honed their scripts to such a degree that it's very easy to find the "hot buttons" of someone...to find their reason that they should sign up. For me, I was just coming off of suicidal ideation and was looking to make friends...friends who were positive thinkers and seemed to be moving forward in their lives. It takes time to pull the curtain back and see there is no Wizard, just a shrunken old man. So, maybe hold your judgements about gullibility and regard the hierarchal manipulators instead.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Sept 24, 2021 8:32:40 GMT -5
Oh please, I'll hold my judgements as much as you hold yours. Claiming that suicidal ideation has anything remotely close to do with the marketing schemes of any marketing plan is just nonsensical. Mental illness is not a joke, and I don't appreciate you implying that I made one about it.
I'm excellent at taking a statement that wasn't about me at all and twisting it to be a personal attack. It seems you are also, nidena.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Sept 24, 2021 8:37:21 GMT -5
Two things 1) optavia is mostly an MLM. They do publish their Annual stats for how many “coaches” are in each range of income. 2) can’t regulate gullible in a capitalistic economy. 1) Admittedly I didn't search much - but the first response on google is the revenue per person NOT income - which is quite different. How would the company know the income/profit unless each individual reports all their expenses to them...which would be unique to optavia whatever the hell that is 2) You 100% can. There's regulations between exempt and non-exempt employees. There's started to be more regulations on 1099 employees. We've regulated blatant pyramid schemes. In fact lularoe wouldn't have become what it was if there was a law that explicitly stated that companies can only pay out on SALES not inventory. Add in another law that says a company's revenue can only be say 30% from sign up fees and bam mlms cut off at the knees. It's just updating current pyramid laws to close loopholes people found. 1) It's an MLM. Here I thought we were talking about MLMs. How dare I make a connective statement. I shall corral myself and ensure that I never enter into a realm that doesn't have a specific connection to anything I might say. I'll make sure I don't talk about the pizza stone I have from an MLM. Wouldn't want to upset your discussion with an indirect comment.
2) No, you cannot regulate gullible. Otherwise we wouldn't have people constantly falling for scams. Regulating assholes who push agendas with false information is different. Humans--including me--are gullible. It is what it is.
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Post by nidena on Sept 24, 2021 10:12:40 GMT -5
Oh please, I'll hold my judgements as much as you hold yours. Claiming that suicidal ideation has anything remotely close to do with the marketing schemes of any marketing plan is just nonsensical. Mental illness is not a joke, and I don't appreciate you implying that I made one about it.
I'm excellent at taking a statement that wasn't about me at all and twisting it to be a personal attack. It seems you are also, nidena . At no point did I imply you made a joke about mental illness. I also didn't take it as a personal attack. I was stating that I was *susceptible* to the scripts because of coming out of a suicidal ideation episode. Many people susceptible (gullible, as you say) for innumerable reasons. I don't judge them. I judge the scripts and the predatory nature of them--the scripts and the companies that employ them.
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I was stating that I was *susceptible* to the scripts because of coming out of a suicidal ideation episode. Many people susceptible (gullible, as you say) for innumerable reasons. I don't judge them. I judge the scripts and the predatory nature of them--the scripts and the companies that employ them. I got your point- we'd noted earlier in this thread about how MLMs prey on people vulnerable for one reason or another- someone who wants to quit their regular job, advance out of a dead-end job, make money while being a good SAHM or a good Christian mother... and the meetings, conferences, etc. are all meant to be uplifting. They find your buttons and they push them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 24, 2021 18:33:12 GMT -5
Oh please, I'll hold my judgements as much as you hold yours. Claiming that suicidal ideation has anything remotely close to do with the marketing schemes of any marketing plan is just nonsensical. Mental illness is not a joke, and I don't appreciate you implying that I made one about it.
I'm excellent at taking a statement that wasn't about me at all and twisting it to be a personal attack. It seems you are also, nidena . At no point did I imply you made a joke about mental illness. I also didn't take it as a personal attack. I was stating that I was *susceptible* to the scripts because of coming out of a suicidal ideation episode. Many people susceptible (gullible, as you say) for innumerable reasons. I don't judge them. I judge the scripts and the predatory nature of them--the scripts and the companies that employ them. I read in Talking to Strangers that no human is immune to scams. It's just they haven't found the right hook to lure you in. I got myself scammed last year. These are not victimless crimes and I'm tired of the victims being blamed instead of cracking down on the industries and people who perpetuate them. MLMs in particular should be held to the same laws as any other business. We made all sorts of laws to prevent another Eron. Why can't we regulate MLMs?
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 25, 2021 18:03:58 GMT -5
At no point did I imply you made a joke about mental illness. I also didn't take it as a personal attack. I was stating that I was *susceptible* to the scripts because of coming out of a suicidal ideation episode. Many people susceptible (gullible, as you say) for innumerable reasons. I don't judge them. I judge the scripts and the predatory nature of them--the scripts and the companies that employ them. I read in Talking to Strangers that no human is immune to scams. It's just they haven't found the right hook to lure you in. I got myself scammed last year. These are not victimless crimes and I'm tired of the victims being blamed instead of cracking down on the industries and people who perpetuate them. MLMs in particular should be held to the same laws as any other business. We made all sorts of laws to prevent another Eron. Why can't we regulate MLMs? Yea in the documentary they talked about how appealing a lot of MLMs are to young women with kids who would love to be SAHMs but need some extra money. My lovely niece was in one of those essential oil things for just that reason. What they don’t make clear is that almost all the participants pretty much just break even. It’s only the top 20 - 30 percent that make a profit. Seems like they could be required to provide some kind of documentation up front that shows how much income their MLM scheme provides for their employees. I know in our state, universities have to provide potential students with the average starting wage their graduates earn on their first job, to help them determine if the student loan debt would be worth what they could earn with that degree.
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