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Post by imawino on Sept 14, 2021 14:41:47 GMT -5
I don’t have a problem with it, as long as they have enough sense to have an exemption for people who have real concerns. For example, someone I know is suffering from chronic hives. Her immune system clearly isn’t normal. I can understand why she’s a little hesitant to get vaccinated. Actually, it makes no sense to have exemptions for people who have a "real concern". Perhaps this person you know is really concerned. But really concerned is not the same thing as medically unable. Yes, there should be exemptions for people who are medically unable to vaccinate, not for people who "worry" or are "hesitant".
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Post by imawino on Sept 14, 2021 14:52:40 GMT -5
My very far right cousin posted on Facebook that BIDEN pushed a vaccine that was developed too quickly, that if you follow the SCIENCE the vaccine can’t be any good because it was developed too quickly. Yes, the far right is now pushing the false story that the vaccine was launched during the Biden presidency and therefore must be bad. It’s amazing to me just how easy it is to plant a fake story with the far right - even stories that are easy to disprove just by pulling up video clips that prove the story is fake (like a video clip of Trump bragging about how he did Operation Warp Speed that made a vaccine available at record speed). Whoever said that if you keep repeating a lie it eventually feels like the truth is 100% spot on. The sad part is, many of the anti-VAX idiots on the right are sounding a lot like how the Democrats talked about the vaccine when Trump was still in office. Kamala Harris famously said she wouldn’t take a Trump vaccine even if it got FDA approval. You should really be ashamed of yourself. Spreading such easily checked falsehoods. Asked at Wednesday's vice-presidential debate whether she would take a vaccine approved by the Trump administration before or after the election, Harris said she'd be the "first in line" to take the vaccine if health experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci recommended it.
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 14, 2021 15:05:42 GMT -5
The sad part is, many of the anti-VAX idiots on the right are sounding a lot like how the Democrats talked about the vaccine when Trump was still in office. Kamala Harris famously said she wouldn’t take a Trump vaccine even if it got FDA approval. That is completely inaccurate. Fact check yourself. Anti-vax people aren't the only ones sounding like an idiot right now. "The sad part is " you posting that like it's fact. "The sad part is" apparently that story is famous in certain bubbles? www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-refuse-trump-vaccine/Again spreading this nonsense. All of that concern was back when trump was trying to get the FDA to approve the EUA before the election, BEFORE the studies were finished. Trump made it political at that point. Since it was not out before the election, TRUMP, who was talking about the vaccine before the election, suddenly became quiet. And yes, voicing skepticism about the process skipping steps is the same as worrying about becoming magnetic/s
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 14, 2021 15:16:09 GMT -5
I don’t have a problem with it, as long as they have enough sense to have an exemption for people who have real concerns. For example, someone I know is suffering from chronic hives. Her immune system clearly isn’t normal. I can understand why she’s a little hesitant to get vaccinated. Actually, it makes no sense to have exemptions for people who have a "real concern". Perhaps this person you know is really concerned. But really concerned is not the same thing as medically unable. Yes, there should be exemptions for people who are medically unable to vaccinate, not for people who "worry" or are "hesitant". quite agree. how about this for "real concern"?
I am really concerned that anti-vax idiots will end up killing considerable numbers of themselves and others, leading to possible future lockdowns, as well as possibly allowing the virus to mutate into a form which will render the vaccines impotent.
what about MY concerns?
my patience has run out. if y'all are going to die, do it quickly, and reduce the surplus virus pool.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 14, 2021 15:21:51 GMT -5
No reason she cannot be vaccinated. There are a vaninishing small number of contraindications to vaccination. The only clear cut on is allergy to the components. I’m scared does not count My kid breaks out in hives every time the wind blows. She got vaccinated with no problem. This lady doesn’t know why she’s breaking out in hives. She’s done allergy testing changed laundry and personal care products, taken every kind of antihistamine, and so on. Nothing has been found. My daughter broke out in hives after getting her flu shot. When I asked about switching to FluMist, the allergist couldn’t tell me if it would be OK because the allergy testing we did for flu shots didn’t bother to separate out which component of the flu shot was actually causing the reaction. I’ve done allergy testing in four different states over a 40 year timeframe. This isn’t the first time I’ve run into situations where the allergy testing wasn’t specific enough to tell you what you needed to know. My daughter was able to do this year’s flu shot by having the dose or split into five injections given over a three hour time frame. There’s no guarantee that this procedure will work next year. I’ve already put a call to her allergist to find out how the hell they’re going to handle the Covid shots. At this point, I am really no reason to believe that the doctor is going to have any way of telling whether or not my daughter is going to react any other components of the Covid shot.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 14, 2021 15:25:39 GMT -5
My kid breaks out in hives every time the wind blows. She got vaccinated with no problem. This lady doesn’t know why she’s breaking out in hives. She’s done allergy testing changed laundry and personal care products, taken every kind of antihistamine, and so on. Nothing has been found. My daughter broke out in hives after getting her flu shot. When I asked about switching to FluMist, the allergist couldn’t tell me if it would be OK because the allergy testing we did for flu shots didn’t bother to separate out which component of the flu shot was actually causing the reaction. I’ve done allergy testing in four different states over a 40 year timeframe. This isn’t the first time I’ve run into situations where the allergy testing wasn’t specific enough to tell you what you needed to know. My daughter was able to do this year’s flu shot by having the dose or split into five injections given over a three hour time frame. There’s no guarantee that this procedure will work next year. I’ve already put a call to her allergist to find out how the hell they’re going to handle the Covid shots. At this point, I am really no reason to believe that the doctor is going to have any way of telling whether or not my daughter is going to react any other components of the Covid shot. My kid has had various allergy tests too. Nothing was ever found. She still breaks out in hives. Usually she takes an antihistamine and they go away, but not always. She got her vaccine in January (she's a healthcare worker) and she has yet to react to it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 14, 2021 15:26:07 GMT -5
then weigh the hives against long term disability from liver disease, I guess? aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hep4.1745all life is weighing alternatives. you can stay in your basement and have your meals delivered, or you can live your life in the open with all the attendant risks. but I would conjecture the alternative of NOT getting vaccinated is pretty poor compared to getting vaccinated. consider this: eventually, you and DD probably are going to get exposed.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 14, 2021 15:30:04 GMT -5
The sad part is, many of the anti-VAX idiots on the right are sounding a lot like how the Democrats talked about the vaccine when Trump was still in office. Kamala Harris famously said she wouldn’t take a Trump vaccine even if it got FDA approval. That is completely inaccurate. Fact check yourself. Anti-vax people aren't the only ones sounding like an idiot right now. "The sad part is " you posting that like it's fact. "The sad part is" apparently that story is famous in certain bubbles? www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-refuse-trump-vaccine/Nobody on the left near the silly claims about tracking devices or fertility issues. But plenty of people on the left made very big statements about transparency and wondering if we could trust the authorities and if data on bad reactions was actually being properly collected. I’ve heard Tucker saying the same thing. There’s video of it all over the Internet, including Kamala Harris claiming she would not take an FDA approved Trump vaccine.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 14, 2021 15:34:50 GMT -5
This lady doesn’t know why she’s breaking out in hives. She’s done allergy testing changed laundry and personal care products, taken every kind of antihistamine, and so on. Nothing has been found. My daughter broke out in hives after getting her flu shot. When I asked about switching to FluMist, the allergist couldn’t tell me if it would be OK because the allergy testing we did for flu shots didn’t bother to separate out which component of the flu shot was actually causing the reaction. I’ve done allergy testing in four different states over a 40 year timeframe. This isn’t the first time I’ve run into situations where the allergy testing wasn’t specific enough to tell you what you needed to know. My daughter was able to do this year’s flu shot by having the dose or split into five injections given over a three hour time frame. There’s no guarantee that this procedure will work next year. I’ve already put a call to her allergist to find out how the hell they’re going to handle the Covid shots. At this point, I am really no reason to believe that the doctor is going to have any way of telling whether or not my daughter is going to react any other components of the Covid shot. My kid has had various allergy tests too. Nothing was ever found. She still breaks out in hives. Usually she takes an antihistamine and they go away, but not always. She got her vaccine in January (she's a healthcare worker) and she has yet to react to it. Yes and I spent a semester hitchhiking across Europe and nothing bad happened to me. Would you suggest your daughter do the same? My daughter will get vaccinated. Hives aren’t that big a deal. And I know that even more serious reactions can be handled. But it’s pretty obvious that I’m going to be forced to go into this blind, not because there’s no way of knowing, because they can’t be bothered to find out, and that my daughter could become permanently damaged from this.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 14, 2021 15:35:55 GMT -5
Nobody on the left near the silly claims about tracking devices or fertility issues. But plenty of people on the left made very big statements about transparency and wondering if we could trust the authorities and if data on bad reactions was actually being properly collected. I’ve heard Tucker saying the same thing. There’s video of it all over the Internet, including Kamala Harris claiming she would not take an FDA approved Trump vaccine. And you cannot see the difference? All of that was BEFORE the studies were completed and reviewed by the FDA. All of it. We have now had 10 months of experience with the vaccine, have a ton of data on its safety, and clear evidence of its effectiveness. Completely different scenarios, and not even in the same ballpark. But you want to continue with your both side story. Tucker Carlson is actively spreading disinformation. Who on the left is doing the same?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 14, 2021 15:38:12 GMT -5
My kid breaks out in hives every time the wind blows. She got vaccinated with no problem. This lady doesn’t know why she’s breaking out in hives. She’s done allergy testing changed laundry and personal care products, taken every kind of antihistamine, and so on. Nothing has been found. My daughter broke out in hives after getting her flu shot. When I asked about switching to FluMist, the allergist couldn’t tell me if it would be OK because the allergy testing we did for flu shots didn’t bother to separate out which component of the flu shot was actually causing the reaction. I’ve done allergy testing in four different states over a 40 year timeframe. This isn’t the first time I’ve run into situations where the allergy testing wasn’t specific enough to tell you what you needed to know. My daughter was able to do this year’s flu shot by having the dose or split into five injections given over a three hour time frame. There’s no guarantee that this procedure will work next year. I’ve already put a call to her allergist to find out how the hell they’re going to handle the Covid shots. At this point, I am really no reason to believe that the doctor is going to have any way of telling whether or not my daughter is going to react any other components of the Covid shot. How does the vaccine change that. There is no reason she cannot get the vaccine. The hives are not likely due to an allergy. People can have something called idiopathic urticaria. Sounds like that is what she has. We do not know why people get it, but it sure as hell is not due to the COVID vaccine or its components, since they are brand new. No reason she cannot get it.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 14, 2021 15:39:11 GMT -5
Nobody on the left near the silly claims about tracking devices or fertility issues. But plenty of people on the left made very big statements about transparency and wondering if we could trust the authorities and if data on bad reactions was actually being properly collected. I’ve heard Tucker saying the same thing. There’s video of it all over the Internet, including Kamala Harris claiming she would not take an FDA approved Trump vaccine. No. She would not take the Trump vaccine if the FDA had not approved it. Slightly different wording, but the meaning is very different. It seems hard to remember now because it was prior to the 2020 election and before Trump started making anti vac statements, but there was a time Trump tried to strong arm the FDA into skipping their review process so he could get it out to the public faster. He had good intentions but I agree with kamela, I wouldn’t have done the vaccine until the FD A approved it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 14, 2021 15:40:06 GMT -5
My kid has had various allergy tests too. Nothing was ever found. She still breaks out in hives. Usually she takes an antihistamine and they go away, but not always. She got her vaccine in January (she's a healthcare worker) and she has yet to react to it. Yes and I spent a semester hitchhiking across Europe and nothing bad happened to me. Would you suggest your daughter do the same? Point you. Completely different risk/benefit calculation. Not even in the same ballpark. Your hitchhiking across Europe doesn't risk getting someone else sick and potentially dying. The risk is to you and you alone.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 14, 2021 15:50:51 GMT -5
Nobody on the left near the silly claims about tracking devices or fertility issues. But plenty of people on the left made very big statements about transparency and wondering if we could trust the authorities and if data on bad reactions was actually being properly collected. I’ve heard Tucker saying the same thing. There’s video of it all over the Internet, including Kamala Harris claiming she would not take an FDA approved Trump vaccine. data about what? cases and deaths?
yes, I still have very BIG questions about that. in fact, I am nearly certain that it is being wildly underreported, and that it is just impossibly bad in Florida at this juncture.
I am not sure what, if anything, this has to do with vaccination. probably nothing more than a smokescreen.
oh, and Tucker would lie to his own mother if there were a buck in it for him. I am not sure if he is a bigger ass than Trump, but he is in the running, certainly.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 14, 2021 15:55:51 GMT -5
Again spreading this nonsense. All of that concern was back when trump was trying to get the FDA to approve the EUA before the election, BEFORE the studies were finished. Trump made it political at that point. Since it was not out before the election, TRUMP, who was talking about the vaccine before the election, suddenly became quiet. And yes, voicing skepticism about the process skipping steps is the same as worrying about becoming magnetic/s Wait....I am spreading nonsense?? I am posting a fact check of your verifiably false bullshit claim. Obviously you chose not to actually read it, but your claim is wrong. Continuing to insist it's true is pathetic. And no, voicing skepticism about the process skipping steps is actually NOT the same as worrying about becoming magnetic. Jesus Christ on a fucking cracker, how can anyone equate those 2 things? Sorry. Mea Culpa. I quoted the wrong person. Meant to quote former. Must have picked wrong post.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 14, 2021 15:58:08 GMT -5
Nobody on the left near the silly claims about tracking devices or fertility issues. But plenty of people on the left made very big statements about transparency and wondering if we could trust the authorities and if data on bad reactions was actually being properly collected. I’ve heard Tucker saying the same thing. There’s video of it all over the Internet, including Kamala Harris claiming she would not take an FDA approved Trump vaccine. And you cannot see the difference? All of that was BEFORE the studies were completed and reviewed by the FDA. All of it. We have now had 10 months of experience with the vaccine, have a ton of data on its safety, and clear evidence of its effectiveness. Completely different scenarios, and not even in the same ballpark. But you want to continue with your both side story. Tucker Carlson is actively spreading disinformation. Who on the left is doing the same? And the big thing that has changed is that Donald Trump is no longer in office, so it’s no longer politically advantageous to sow doubt in the minds of Americans about the vaccine. I would understand their words if Trump was out handing out vaccines before they got FDA approval, but that’s not what happened is it? They could’ve just sat back and let the FDA do their work. But they had to run their mouth’s knowing full well that there was already a bit of an anti-vaccine within this country. They knew exactly what they were doing. And they didn’t care. And yes, I’m sure the Republicans would’ve acted the same way I had the roles been reversed..
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Post by imawino on Sept 14, 2021 16:01:02 GMT -5
Sorry. Mea Culpa. I quoted the wrong person. Meant to quote former. Must have picked wrong post. Sorry Pulmonary! Me too! Totally misread, I apologize.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 14, 2021 16:01:57 GMT -5
And you cannot see the difference? All of that was BEFORE the studies were completed and reviewed by the FDA. All of it. We have now had 10 months of experience with the vaccine, have a ton of data on its safety, and clear evidence of its effectiveness. Completely different scenarios, and not even in the same ballpark. But you want to continue with your both side story. Tucker Carlson is actively spreading disinformation. Who on the left is doing the same? And the big thing that has changed is that Donald Trump is no longer in office, so it’s no longer politically advantageous to sow doubt in the minds of Americans about the vaccine. I would understand their words if Trump was out handing out vaccines before they got FDA approval, but that’s not what happened is it? They could’ve just sat back and let the FDA do their work. No, the big thing that changed is the vaccine has been available for 10 months, hundreds of millions people have received it. and it is quite effective. Your inability to understand this is unfathomable. All of what you are trying to make equivalent happened BEFORE the EUA. And Trump is not doing one thing to help our situation. Quite Presidential
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Post by imawino on Sept 14, 2021 16:16:46 GMT -5
Nobody on the left near the silly claims about tracking devices or fertility issues. But plenty of people on the left made very big statements about transparency and wondering if we could trust the authorities and if data on bad reactions was actually being properly collected. I’ve heard Tucker saying the same thing. There’s video of it all over the Internet, including Kamala Harris claiming she would not take an FDA approved Trump vaccine. Again, that is NOT what she said. Is there a video of her on the internet saying that? I don't doubt it. Should a moderately intelligent person consider the source, especially once told it's false? Obviously.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 14, 2021 16:20:42 GMT -5
And the big thing that has changed is that Donald Trump is no longer in office, so it’s no longer politically advantageous to sow doubt in the minds of Americans about the vaccine. I would understand their words if Trump was out handing out vaccines before they got FDA approval, but that’s not what happened is it? They could’ve just sat back and let the FDA do their work. No, the big thing that changed is the vaccine has been available for 10 months, hundreds of millions people have received it. and it is quite effective. Your inability to understand this is unfathomable. All of what you are trying to make equivalent happened BEFORE the EUA. And Trump is not doing one thing to help our situation. Quite Presidential When was the last time you ever heard a politician talking smack about a life-saving medicine or therapy that was going through FDA approval? This is unprecedented behavior that politicized things that should not have been politicized. They knew exactly what they were doing and got exactly what they wanted from this.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 14, 2021 16:27:17 GMT -5
No, the big thing that changed is the vaccine has been available for 10 months, hundreds of millions people have received it. and it is quite effective. Your inability to understand this is unfathomable. All of what you are trying to make equivalent happened BEFORE the EUA. And Trump is not doing one thing to help our situation. Quite Presidential When was the last time you ever heard a politician talking smack about a life-saving medicine or therapy that was going through FDA approval? This is unprecedented behavior that politicized things that should not have been politicized. They knew exactly what they were doing and got exactly what they wanted from this. When did you have a president pressuring the FDA to approve a medication before an election to help him win?
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Post by imawino on Sept 14, 2021 16:37:31 GMT -5
No, the big thing that changed is the vaccine has been available for 10 months, hundreds of millions people have received it. and it is quite effective. Your inability to understand this is unfathomable. All of what you are trying to make equivalent happened BEFORE the EUA. And Trump is not doing one thing to help our situation. Quite Presidential When was the last time you ever heard a politician talking smack about a life-saving medicine or therapy that was going through FDA approval? This is unprecedented behavior that politicized things that should not have been politicized. They knew exactly what they were doing and got exactly what they wanted from this. Saying that you would not simply accept at face value the medical advice of someone who had very recently said that standing in the sun and getting injected with disinfectant were viable options for treating coronavirus is not as crazy or political as you are pretending it is. He suggested multiple unproven, useless and sometimes dangerous treatments. Why WOULDN'T you suggest that taking Trump's advice at face value before FDA approval was a potentially dangerous path?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 15, 2021 13:30:27 GMT -5
And you cannot see the difference? All of that was BEFORE the studies were completed and reviewed by the FDA. All of it. We have now had 10 months of experience with the vaccine, have a ton of data on its safety, and clear evidence of its effectiveness. Completely different scenarios, and not even in the same ballpark. But you want to continue with your both side story. Tucker Carlson is actively spreading disinformation. Who on the left is doing the same? And the big thing that has changed is that Donald Trump is no longer in office, so it’s no longer politically advantageous to sow doubt in the minds of Americans about the vaccine. I would understand their words if Trump was out handing out vaccines before they got FDA approval, but that’s not what happened is it? They could’ve just sat back and let the FDA do their work. But they had to run their mouth’s knowing full well that there was already a bit of an anti-vaccine within this country. They knew exactly what they were doing. And they didn’t care. And yes, I’m sure the Republicans would’ve acted the same way I had the roles been reversed.. until the last sentence, I was pretty sure that you were talking about Republicans.
now, I am pretty sure you didn't answer the question. let's try again:
WHO ON THE LEFT IS SPREADING DISINFORMATION?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 15, 2021 13:34:21 GMT -5
Nobody on the left near the silly claims about tracking devices or fertility issues. But plenty of people on the left made very big statements about transparency and wondering if we could trust the authorities and if data on bad reactions was actually being properly collected. I’ve heard Tucker saying the same thing. There’s video of it all over the Internet, including Kamala Harris claiming she would not take an FDA approved Trump vaccine. Again, that is NOT what she said. Is there a video of her on the internet saying that? I don't doubt it. Should a moderately intelligent person consider the source, especially once told it's false? Obviously. what Harris said has been quoted. essentially, she said that if ONLY Trump had approved the vaccine, and no scientists lined up behind it, then she would not take it. and neither would I.
it would have been better for her to simply say that she is not listening to Trump, and that when experts say to take it, she will take it. but you don't get do overs with extemporaneous talking. but keep in mind that applies to all of the stupid shit Trump said, and probably STILL says, about Hydroxychoroquine and other non-treatments. haven't heard a peep from you on that. now would be a good time.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 15, 2021 13:36:04 GMT -5
No, the big thing that changed is the vaccine has been available for 10 months, hundreds of millions people have received it. and it is quite effective. Your inability to understand this is unfathomable. All of what you are trying to make equivalent happened BEFORE the EUA. And Trump is not doing one thing to help our situation. Quite Presidential When was the last time you ever heard a politician talking smack about a life-saving medicine or therapy that was going through FDA approval? This is unprecedented behavior that politicized things that should not have been politicized. They knew exactly what they were doing and got exactly what they wanted from this. again, it sounds like you are talking about Republicans. no?
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 15, 2021 13:52:45 GMT -5
My kid has had various allergy tests too. Nothing was ever found. She still breaks out in hives. Usually she takes an antihistamine and they go away, but not always. She got her vaccine in January (she's a healthcare worker) and she has yet to react to it. Yes and I spent a semester hitchhiking across Europe and nothing bad happened to me. Would you suggest your daughter do the same? My daughter will get vaccinated. Hives aren’t that big a deal. And I know that even more serious reactions can be handled. But it’s pretty obvious that I’m going to be forced to go into this blind, not because there’s no way of knowing, because they can’t be bothered to find out, and that my daughter could become permanently damaged from this. That's not even remotely the same thing. And you're not going into anything blind. The vaccine has been out for months, so you've had at least that long to "do your research" and it has FDA approval which is not something that's just slapped on pharmaceuticals to make sales.
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Post by imawino on Sept 15, 2021 14:28:27 GMT -5
Again, that is NOT what she said. Is there a video of her on the internet saying that? I don't doubt it. Should a moderately intelligent person consider the source, especially once told it's false? Obviously. what Harris said has been quoted. essentially, she said that if ONLY Trump had approved the vaccine, and no scientists lined up behind it, then she would not take it. and neither would I.
it would have been better for her to simply say that she is not listening to Trump, and that when experts say to take it, she will take it. but you don't get do overs with extemporaneous talking. but keep in mind that applies to all of the stupid shit Trump said, and probably STILL says, about Hydroxychoroquine and other non-treatments. haven't heard a peep from you on that. now would be a good time.
I'm going to operate under the assumption that wasn't actually meant to be directed at me - rather than get all hot-tempered and feisty with someone I like a lot, as I did yesterday.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 15, 2021 15:19:22 GMT -5
what Harris said has been quoted. essentially, she said that if ONLY Trump had approved the vaccine, and no scientists lined up behind it, then she would not take it. and neither would I.
it would have been better for her to simply say that she is not listening to Trump, and that when experts say to take it, she will take it. but you don't get do overs with extemporaneous talking. but keep in mind that applies to all of the stupid shit Trump said, and probably STILL says, about Hydroxychoroquine and other non-treatments. haven't heard a peep from you on that. now would be a good time.
I'm going to operate under the assumption that wasn't actually meant to be directed at me - rather than get all hot-tempered and feisty with someone I like a lot, as I did yesterday. correct. I put the item I was responding to IN BOLD.
I have some posters here blocked. so the ONLY way for me to see their posts is when OTHERS quote them.
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andi9899
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 15, 2021 15:32:27 GMT -5
No, the big thing that changed is the vaccine has been available for 10 months, hundreds of millions people have received it. and it is quite effective. Your inability to understand this is unfathomable. All of what you are trying to make equivalent happened BEFORE the EUA. And Trump is not doing one thing to help our situation. Quite Presidential When was the last time you ever heard a politician talking smack about a life-saving medicine or therapy that was going through FDA approval? This is unprecedented behavior that politicized things that should not have been politicized. They knew exactly what they were doing and got exactly what they wanted from this. Unprecedented political behavior is a president suggesting people inject themselves with bleach while ignoring the most prominent infectious disease doctors in the country.
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NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 15, 2021 15:39:15 GMT -5
Yes and I spent a semester hitchhiking across Europe and nothing bad happened to me. Would you suggest your daughter do the same? My daughter will get vaccinated. Hives aren’t that big a deal. And I know that even more serious reactions can be handled. But it’s pretty obvious that I’m going to be forced to go into this blind, not because there’s no way of knowing, because they can’t be bothered to find out, and that my daughter could become permanently damaged from this. That's not even remotely the same thing. And you're not going into anything blind. The vaccine has been out for months, so you've had at least that long to "do your research" and it has FDA approval which is not something that's just slapped on pharmaceuticals to make sales. Not to mention all NIH published articles are available FOR FREE through PubMed. mRNA technology goes back to the early 1970s. Most of it has been done in HIV and influenza research but that is what the COVID mRNA is built on. This idea they slapped it together and are hawking it with no prior knowledge of how mRNA vaccines works is mind boggling to me. Corona virus mRNA vaccine work has been around for a long time as well. It just didn't get noticed or a lot of funding because it was "the common cold" so who gives a crap when there are bigger ticket diseases like Ebola or Zika? The fact we got this many vaccines in such a short times shows what happens when you bother to properly fund science. The research was there. It needed the pandemic to achieve lift off. As soon as it came out I started reading papers because I am a huge nerd. A lot of what I read is above my pay grade but there are a lot of summary papers out there that do a good job of boiling it down. If you don't want to do PubMed you can use Google Scholar. You won't likely get as many free articles but damn near everyone on the planet has access to Google. Get on a freaking computer and actually take the time to look if you are worried. This idea they slapped it together and are hawking it with no prior knowledge of how mRNA vaccines works is mind boggling to me. The data and research are there. The fact that it is not all 100% about these particular vaccines does not negate it. For the people who keep shouting "DO YOUR RESEARCH" they sure can't be bothered. Is it because it all comes from the evil liberal elite who couldn't make out of their ivory towers to clearly they are too stupid to understand the risks involved? They are just hawking it because Biden told them to?
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