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Post by chiver78 on Sept 1, 2021 19:56:45 GMT -5
they already do this. 🤷♀️ I know. They will just say it louder and to the poors' faces. and it will be legal. 😔🥀
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Sept 2, 2021 3:09:20 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 2, 2021 5:15:34 GMT -5
So on the news this am they are saying they won’t get a bounty for turning in women for having an abortion, but you could turn in the taxi driver who drove her there for 10000 bucks.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 2, 2021 7:39:09 GMT -5
So on the news this am they are saying they won’t get a bounty for turning in women for having an abortion, but you could turn in the taxi driver who drove her there for 10000 bucks. This morning I heard that the patient is exempt from being sued. Does the lawsuit have to prove the taxi driver knew where they were taking the woman or what was going to happen at that location?
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Post by swamp on Sept 2, 2021 9:17:12 GMT -5
So on the news this am they are saying they won’t get a bounty for turning in women for having an abortion, but you could turn in the taxi driver who drove her there for 10000 bucks. So Uber drivers are now supposed to ask about the purpose of your medical appointments?
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Post by swamp on Sept 2, 2021 9:18:22 GMT -5
So on the news this am they are saying they won’t get a bounty for turning in women for having an abortion, but you could turn in the taxi driver who drove her there for 10000 bucks. This morning I heard that the patient is exempt from being sued. Does the lawsuit have to prove the taxi driver knew where they were taking the woman or what was going to happen at that location? Well, considering that they’ve completely fucked with the standing to sue requirements, why not eviscerate the standard of proof requirements?
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 2, 2021 9:34:24 GMT -5
Apparently there are websites run by forced-birth advocates where you can report violations. I suspect the group then does all the legal parts and collects the money. Do the people doing the reporting know they aren't going to get the 10k?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 2, 2021 9:36:43 GMT -5
Apparently there are websites run by forced-birth advocates where you can report violations. I suspect the group then does all the legal parts and collects the money. Do the people doing the reporting know they aren't going to get the 10k? Hope someone posts the names of those advocates and people start flooding the websites with false reports. I don't doubt that at least one of them has a secret waiting to be exposed. Just like the loudest anti-gay senator is having sex in the airport bathroom.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 2, 2021 10:15:55 GMT -5
So on the news this am they are saying they won’t get a bounty for turning in women for having an abortion, but you could turn in the taxi driver who drove her there for 10000 bucks. So Uber drivers are now supposed to ask about the purpose of your medical appointments? I guess Uber drivers are supposed to memorize all the illegal places in town and refuse to drop women within walking distance from any of them. Next - Uber drivers can’t drop alcoholics near bars.
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Post by swamp on Sept 2, 2021 10:17:59 GMT -5
And then watch the passenger after dropping them off to make sure they go where they say they’re going.
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Apparently there are websites run by forced-birth advocates where you can report violations. I suspect the group then does all the legal parts and collects the money. Do the people doing the reporting know they aren't going to get the 10k? Hope someone posts the names of those advocates and people start flooding the websites with false reports. I don't doubt that at least one of them has a secret waiting to be exposed. Just like the loudest anti-gay senator is having sex in the airport bathroom. Yep, there will be bots designed to generate fake data for those sites springing up like mushrooms after a hard rain.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 2, 2021 10:46:54 GMT -5
Time for Biden to load up the SCOTUS to thirteen members. Nothing in the U.S. Constitution states SCOTUS can be only nine members.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 2, 2021 11:06:03 GMT -5
Hope someone posts the names of those advocates and people start flooding the websites with false reports. I don't doubt that at least one of them has a secret waiting to be exposed. Just like the loudest anti-gay senator is having sex in the airport bathroom. Yep, there will be bots designed to generate fake data for those sites springing up like mushrooms after a hard rain. Done and done.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 2, 2021 13:17:11 GMT -5
Yep, there will be bots designed to generate fake data for those sites springing up like mushrooms after a hard rain. Done and done. Yep - gen X is already on it, flooding the Texas prolife whistle blower site with Shrek memes. And furry porn. What started out as a nice dystopian doxing site is already unusable. You would think Trump fans would have remembered what the KPop fans did to Trumps Tulsa rally last year.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 2, 2021 13:36:48 GMT -5
Yep - gen X is already on it, flooding the Texas prolife whistle blower site with Shrek memes. And furry porn. What started out as a nice dystopian doxing site is already unusable. You would think Trump fans would have remembered what the KPop fans did to Trumps Tulsa rally last year. Unfortunately, we will all forget this outrage in a matter of weeks, and the website will come back up and people will report all kinds of things that will end up hurting a lot of people.
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Post by justme on Sept 2, 2021 13:38:26 GMT -5
Apparently there are websites run by forced-birth advocates where you can report violations. I suspect the group then does all the legal parts and collects the money. Do the people doing the reporting know they aren't going to get the 10k? Hope someone posts the names of those advocates and people start flooding the websites with false reports. I don't doubt that at least one of them has a secret waiting to be exposed. Just like the loudest anti-gay senator is having sex in the airport bathroom. Post the names of the ones that voted for this law and start reporting them too.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 3, 2021 5:39:34 GMT -5
I will the people who spend time and money pushing for these punitive laws would instead put all that energy into carrot options- the biggest reason women do this is financial. What can we do to help with that? Or can we make it so every woman who wants birth control can get it? That can be pricey.
Fix the issue before it becomes an issue = wins all around.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 3, 2021 7:38:37 GMT -5
I will the people who spend time and money pushing for these punitive laws would instead put all that energy into carrot options- the biggest reason women do this is financial. What can we do to help with that? Or can we make it so every woman who wants birth control can get it? That can be pricey. Fix the issue before it becomes an issue = wins all around. It's because that's not the issue. If it was birth control would be on every corner like Starbucks. Sex Ed would be in every school and taught properly no "abstience only". We wouldn't be a first world country with one of the shittiest maternal/fetal survival rates in the world. Our social services would be on par or better than other first world nations. It's about controlling women and protecting privilege. Always has been and always will be. Boys will be boys but girls are dirty rotten sluts who need to make sure they keep their legs closed. If they get pregnant it's because God hates sinners and we need to make sure they know that. Even though we have this thing called a condom it is still MY fault if I get pregnant and society must make sure I understand. That allows the politicians who make these laws to continue to prey on their young interns and escape the consequences. After all since they can't get pregnant it's not their job to do anything about it. Then they can turn around and shame the pregnant slut who dared to tar their name. It's also a lot harder for me to exercise my rights if I am constantly either trying to avoid being pregnant or I am pregnant because I don't have the right to control my own destiny. It also keeps people in a cycle of poverty. If you are too busy trying to figure out how to afford BC or take care of your kid then you will not be demanding your rights either. Plus we need to make sure all those others understand how icky it is that they reproduce. They should just stop having sex like God intended. Giving into a basic biological urge shows they deserve to remain poor.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 3, 2021 10:13:53 GMT -5
Interesting the same Texas people who want to be able to chose if they have to wear a piece of cloth or paper over their mouths are so adamant that no one gets to decide anything else about their bodies, even something potentially life threatening.
I’d love to be able to rat out Covid criminals and get 10k for my troubles. Let’s get paintball guns and start shooting unmasked people standing close together in inside spaces, so we know who has to pay. Wouldn’t that be a terrific pro life action?
Plus paint ball guns are fun.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Sept 3, 2021 10:32:00 GMT -5
I just don't understand how you can sue someone for something that has nothing to do with you.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 3, 2021 10:43:58 GMT -5
I just don't understand how you can sue someone for something that has nothing to do with you. Right? Having to wear a mask or carry your vaccine card is like living in Nazi Germany so we have to stand up against facism . .. By making a law that rewards people for turning in their neighbors to the government. Gee that sounds awfully like a subject matter Republicans seem to have become experts in.
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Post by swamp on Sept 3, 2021 12:15:50 GMT -5
I just don't understand how you can sue someone for something that has nothing to do with you. It’s called standing. You have to be an aggrieved party abs show an injury. This law is fucked.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 3, 2021 12:39:44 GMT -5
I’m thinking of several nightmare scenarios. Women trying to prove they had a miscarriage. Dorm mates searching trash cans for other people’s used pregnancy tests, or trying to sneak looks at their phones in the hopes that they catch someone out. One of the unintended consequences will surely be women stocking up on the morning after pill, just to be sure. Although as usual, the ones in the worst bind will be the poorest ones who can’t afford to travel out of state. I imagine it effects many older women as well... what happens when you are in your late 30's or early 40's and have an unexpected pregnancy? I'm guessing quite a few older women make the tough decision and have an abortion. I'm leaving their spouse out of this decision cause apparently being pregnant is solely a woman's responsibility. And the guy married to said older woman just has to accept being a dad again in their 40's. It's not like women suddenly become infertile at 30 years old. I suspect many women have their "tubes" tied after what they want to be their last pregnancy (ok, I know this happens here but no one really talks about it other than in a whisper amoung other women who have had kids or is having their "last kid"). But I'm guessing a 30y old woman who doesn't have children and who KNOWS she doesn't want children and who want to be "sterilized" probably has to jump thru a lot of hoops to have that happen. I picked 30 years old - because I'm guessing at that point in life - taking precautions to avoid pregnancy is getting "old" - the effects of/need to take a daily pill (or some other way to avoid pregnancy) and having to ask one's lover to put on a condom. It just gets old. FWIW: I'm a 'surprise' baby - born just before my mom's 45th birthday. I'm not sure I was totally "wanted" I don't think my mom had much of a choice. I'm sure I threw a wrench into my parents expected "retirement"/old age plans. Who doesn't want to face college planning at 63 years old when other 60 year olds are talking about "retirement living" and grandkids and having an empty nest My dad died when I was 11.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 3, 2021 12:52:44 GMT -5
I just don't understand how you can sue someone for something that has nothing to do with you. It’s called standing. You have to be an aggrieved party abs show an injury. This law is fucked. it can't possibly be constitutional. there is no way. it fails at several levels.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Sept 3, 2021 12:55:45 GMT -5
I’m thinking of several nightmare scenarios. Women trying to prove they had a miscarriage. Dorm mates searching trash cans for other people’s used pregnancy tests, or trying to sneak looks at their phones in the hopes that they catch someone out. One of the unintended consequences will surely be women stocking up on the morning after pill, just to be sure. Although as usual, the ones in the worst bind will be the poorest ones who can’t afford to travel out of state. I imagine it effects many older women as well... what happens when you are in your late 30's or early 40's and have an unexpected pregnancy? I'm guessing quite a few older women make the tough decision and have an abortion. I'm leaving their spouse out of this decision cause apparently being pregnant is solely a woman's responsibility. And the guy married to said older woman just has to accept being a dad again in their 40's. It's not like women suddenly become infertile at 30 years old. I suspect many women have their "tubes" tied after what they want to be their last pregnancy (ok, I know this happens here but no one really talks about it other than in a whisper amoung other women who have had kids or is having their "last kid"). But I'm guessing a 30y old woman who doesn't have children and who KNOWS she doesn't want children and who want to be "sterilized" probably has to jump thru a lot of hoops to have that happen. I picked 30 years old - because I'm guessing at that point in life - taking precautions to avoid pregnancy is getting "old" - the effects of/need to take a daily pill (or some other way to avoid pregnancy) and having to ask one's lover to put on a condom. It just gets old. FWIW: I'm a 'surprise' baby - born just before my mom's 45th birthday. I'm not sure I was totally "wanted" I don't think my mom had much of a choice. I'm sure I threw a wrench into my parents expected "retirement"/old age plans. Who doesn't want to face college planning at 63 years old when other 60 year olds are talking about "retirement living" and grandkids and having an empty nest My dad died when I was 11. DD2 found herself pregnant and chose to keep the baby. She had to have an emergency c-section. She wanted to have her tubes tied while she was open and they refused. At 31 they deemed her too young. Turns out she was at a Christian based hospital. She was pissed.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 3, 2021 12:56:24 GMT -5
Why doesn't Texas just change its name to The Republic of Gilead, and be done with it?
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Sept 3, 2021 12:57:47 GMT -5
It’s called standing. You have to be an aggrieved party abs show an injury. This law is fucked. it can't possibly be constitutional. there is no way. it fails at several levels. I think I read something somewhere that because it is a civil law, the constitution doesn’t come into play? I do not recall where I read that bit though.
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Post by hurley1980 on Sept 3, 2021 13:15:44 GMT -5
I imagine it effects many older women as well... what happens when you are in your late 30's or early 40's and have an unexpected pregnancy? I'm guessing quite a few older women make the tough decision and have an abortion. I'm leaving their spouse out of this decision cause apparently being pregnant is solely a woman's responsibility. And the guy married to said older woman just has to accept being a dad again in their 40's. It's not like women suddenly become infertile at 30 years old. I suspect many women have their "tubes" tied after what they want to be their last pregnancy (ok, I know this happens here but no one really talks about it other than in a whisper amoung other women who have had kids or is having their "last kid"). But I'm guessing a 30y old woman who doesn't have children and who KNOWS she doesn't want children and who want to be "sterilized" probably has to jump thru a lot of hoops to have that happen. I picked 30 years old - because I'm guessing at that point in life - taking precautions to avoid pregnancy is getting "old" - the effects of/need to take a daily pill (or some other way to avoid pregnancy) and having to ask one's lover to put on a condom. It just gets old. FWIW: I'm a 'surprise' baby - born just before my mom's 45th birthday. I'm not sure I was totally "wanted" I don't think my mom had much of a choice. I'm sure I threw a wrench into my parents expected "retirement"/old age plans. Who doesn't want to face college planning at 63 years old when other 60 year olds are talking about "retirement living" and grandkids and having an empty nest My dad died when I was 11. DD2 found herself pregnant and chose to keep the baby. She had to have an emergency c-section. She wanted to have her tubes tied while she was open and they refused. At 31 they deemed her too young. Turns out she was at a Christian based hospital. She was pissed. I'm 41, childfree by choice, and I haven't even tried to get my tubes tied because I know how nearly impossible it is for women of child bearing age who haven't had any children yet, to get approved. Also, I don't have a man to sign off for me. No brothers, cousins, uncles, grandpas, and my dad and I have spoken in 25 years. My only remaining family is my mom and her bffs who I call aunts. I get the depo shot every 3 months, because I had bad experiences with IUDs, but basically I'm just celibate by choice right now (thanks covid).
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Post by daisylu on Sept 3, 2021 14:46:54 GMT -5
I imagine it effects many older women as well... what happens when you are in your late 30's or early 40's and have an unexpected pregnancy? I'm guessing quite a few older women make the tough decision and have an abortion. I'm leaving their spouse out of this decision cause apparently being pregnant is solely a woman's responsibility. And the guy married to said older woman just has to accept being a dad again in their 40's. It's not like women suddenly become infertile at 30 years old. I suspect many women have their "tubes" tied after what they want to be their last pregnancy (ok, I know this happens here but no one really talks about it other than in a whisper amoung other women who have had kids or is having their "last kid"). But I'm guessing a 30y old woman who doesn't have children and who KNOWS she doesn't want children and who want to be "sterilized" probably has to jump thru a lot of hoops to have that happen. I picked 30 years old - because I'm guessing at that point in life - taking precautions to avoid pregnancy is getting "old" - the effects of/need to take a daily pill (or some other way to avoid pregnancy) and having to ask one's lover to put on a condom. It just gets old. FWIW: I'm a 'surprise' baby - born just before my mom's 45th birthday. I'm not sure I was totally "wanted" I don't think my mom had much of a choice. I'm sure I threw a wrench into my parents expected "retirement"/old age plans. Who doesn't want to face college planning at 63 years old when other 60 year olds are talking about "retirement living" and grandkids and having an empty nest My dad died when I was 11. DD2 found herself pregnant and chose to keep the baby. She had to have an emergency c-section. She wanted to have her tubes tied while she was open and they refused. At 31 they deemed her too young. Turns out she was at a Christian based hospital. She was pissed. I would have been pissed to. And just guessing here, but this was probably in the last 30 years. It is ridiculous that anyone but a woman herself can determine whether or not they are "ready" for such a procedure.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Sept 3, 2021 16:02:16 GMT -5
it can't possibly be constitutional. there is no way. it fails at several levels. I think I read something somewhere that because it is a civil law, the constitution doesn’t come into play? I do not recall where I read that bit though. I think I read something about the fact that it was a civil law did have some effects on enforcement, but surely it would still need to be pass a test of constitutionality. It's not like the Constitution only applies to criminal laws. The more I read about this "law" the more my head wants to explode.
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