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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2021 10:21:10 GMT -5
Yes. And who was tested? If that group is heavily weighted towards either vaccinated or non-vaccinated, it makes the ratio of positive tests meaningless. Not a group, total tests for the state as in 'all cases reported'. The 'group claim' is just you. I believe NBC has done their verification/fact checking on this story. I am not disputing that 40% of those who have tested positive have been vaccinated. Within the group/set/collection/folks/test subjects who make up "all cases reported", there is/are a sub-group/set/collection/folks/test subjects who have been vaccinated and a sub-group/set/collection/folks/test subjects who have not been vaccinated. It isn't a "claim", it is simply reality. If it weren't, then it wouldn't be possible to state that 40% of positive tests were (breakthrough) cases of vaccinated individuals.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2021 10:45:54 GMT -5
I am not disputing that 40% of those who have tested positive have been vaccinated. Within the group/set/collection/folks/test subjects who make up "all cases reported", there is/are a sub-group/set/collection/folks/test subjects who have been vaccinated and a sub-group/set/collection/folks/test subjects who have not been vaccinated. It isn't a "claim", it is simply reality. If it weren't, then it wouldn't be possible to state that 40% of positive tests were (breakthrough) cases of vaccinated individuals. And that's all they claim. And I am just pointing out that it is a meaningless fact without knowing the ratio of vaccinated:non-vaccinated in the test group.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2021 11:26:20 GMT -5
And I am just pointing out that it is a meaningless fact without knowing the ratio of vaccinated:non-vaccinated in the test group. There is no test group. Only a total number of weekly tests from the state. 40% of the total are vaccinated and testing positive. 130 have died. You might want to contact the family members and let them know it's a meaningless fact that they recieved their vaccination but their loved one died anyway. Breakthrough infections again accounted for about 40% of all cases reported in Massachusetts last week. It is not 40% of the tested individuals, it is breakthrough infections which account for 40% of the positive tests reported.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2021 11:33:13 GMT -5
And I am just pointing out that it is a meaningless fact without knowing the ratio of vaccinated:non-vaccinated in the test group. There is no test group. Only a total number of weekly tests from the state. 40% of the total are vaccinated and testing positive. 130 have died. You might want to contact the family members and let them know it's a meaningless fact that they recieved their vaccination but their loved one died anyway. And FWIW, taking this discussion of statistics to the emotional topic of families dealing with death of loved ones is what I have seen as getting you accused of trolling.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 6, 2021 11:54:00 GMT -5
Trolls gotta troll.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2021 12:39:28 GMT -5
Breakthrough infections again accounted for about 40% of all cases reported in Massachusetts last week. It is not 40% of the tested individuals, it is breakthrough infections which account for 40% of the positive tests reported. Oh, I did a typo, I hate when that happens. Starting with Reply 109.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 6, 2021 12:59:06 GMT -5
Got a notification that I had been quoted but there's nothing here. Guess I didn't miss anything.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2021 13:02:44 GMT -5
Breakthrough infections again accounted for about 40% of all cases reported in Massachusetts last week.
The number of new breakthrough cases announced each Tuesday has climbed each week since DPH announced the initial batch of 7,737 breakthrough infections on July 31.
Nearly 20,000 fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have now tested positive for COVID-19 and more than 130 of them have died, according to the latest state data on breakthrough cases published Tuesdaywww.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-how-many-fully-vaccinated-mass-residents-have-tested-positive-for-covid/2481272/ Here's the repost as cut/pasted from NBC. Again? Breakthrough infections again accounted for about 40% of all cases reported in Massachusetts last week. Fun with numbers time: 1000 people tested, 500 vaccinated, 500 not vaccinated. 40/500 vaccinated test positive, 60/500 not vaccinated test positive. 1000 people tested, 200 vaccinated, 800 not vaccinated. 40/200 vaccinated test positive, 60/800 not vaccinated test positive. 1000 people tested, 800 vaccinated, 200 not vaccinated. 40/800 vaccinated test positive, 60/200 not vaccinated test positive. One might draw a different conclusion from each. Without knowing the status of who was tested, the 40% is meaningless.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2021 13:43:45 GMT -5
Again? Breakthrough infections again accounted for about 40% of all cases reported in Massachusetts last week. Fun with numbers time: 1000 people tested, 500 vaccinated, 500 not vaccinated. 40/500 vaccinated test positive, 60/500 not vaccinated test positive. 1000 people tested, 200 vaccinated, 800 not vaccinated. 40/200 vaccinated test positive, 60/800 not vaccinated test positive. 1000 people tested, 800 vaccinated, 200 not vaccinated. 40/800 vaccinated test positive, 60/200 not vaccinated test positive. One might draw a different conclusion from each. Without knowing the status of who was tested, the 40% is meaningless. Looks like someones got an issue with NBC posting misleading 'news'. Trump had the same problem. It is simply a fact that they reported in the fifth paragraph of an article. I would have a problem with them if they had lead with it highlighted.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2021 13:47:06 GMT -5
Breakthrough infections again accounted for about 40% of all cases reported in Massachusetts last week.
The number of new breakthrough cases announced each Tuesday has climbed each week since DPH announced the initial batch of 7,737 breakthrough infections on July 31.
Nearly 20,000 fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have now tested positive for COVID-19 and more than 130 of them have died, according to the latest state data on breakthrough cases published Tuesdaywww.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-how-many-fully-vaccinated-mass-residents-have-tested-positive-for-covid/2481272/ Could this be fake news ? It could be but I don't see it as likely. It just isn't put in perspective well. Not really surprising with the general math literacy in this country.
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 7, 2021 6:54:41 GMT -5
You know, now that I think about it, President Biden has not handled the virus in the way to win the party of Trump's support. He should start immediately: telling people it's not a big thing and will just disappear hold some big rallies where no one wears a mask because: FREEDOM tout some unproven cures do everything he can do discredit the medical community tout it as the COVID-19 inject bleach up his ass
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 7, 2021 8:08:20 GMT -5
What more do you expect Biden to do? Unlike trump who ignored the guidelines, down played the the seriousness of the virus and didn't set a good example, Biden sets a good example and is promoting following the guidelines. Do you see Biden holding trump style virus spreading love fests?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 11, 2021 22:10:59 GMT -5
you are 11x more likely to die from Covid without the vaccine: www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/10/moderna-most-effective-covid-vaccine-studies/it would be well to note that you are about 11x less likely to DIE FROM THE FLU as Covid, as well. in other words, the vaccine reduces the risk of Covid to that of the standard every year flu bug. I get that people are not very "sciency" about risk, but this discussion that basically says you shouldn't get vaccinated because you are going to die anyway is killing an awful lot of people. I home you can sleep at night knowing that you are spreading that trope. I couldn't.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 13, 2021 13:32:07 GMT -5
You know, now that I think about it, President Biden has not handled the virus in the way to win the party of Trump's support. He should start immediately: telling people it's not a big thing and will just disappear hold some big rallies where no one wears a mask because: FREEDOM tout some unproven cures do everything he can do discredit the medical community tout it as the COVID-19 inject bleach up his ass I'm not sure what Biden is doing. I actually had hopes once he got into office things would get better. We know much more about this virus now, and have a vaccine. A couple more weeks and Biden will have as much time dealing with this virus as Trump did, with a whole lot more background information. At this point improvements seem negligible. I received the Moderna vaccine and still am wearing a mask due to higher transmissible variants. A lot of people are still dying, I guess that's funny for some. Biden is mandating vaccines. The numbers are bad - but viruses tend to spread exponentially. So, it isn't like we had the same number of infections during Trump’s presidency. We had a bigger percentage getting hospitalized and dying. We know the way to prevent this thing and it ain't Ivermectin. Unfortunately, Trump’s fan base would rather die than take a shot. Because they are -ass-bitches.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 13, 2021 16:12:20 GMT -5
Biden is mandating vaccines. ... What happens if the mandate is ignored ? Do the police or military come and hold you down while they inject the vaccine ? I suspect the unvaccinated will lose their jobs. We have that awesome employed "At will" thing - cause, you know I think that's a Republican thing... I'm guessing Republican business owners want to have a healthy work force - so they either comply with the mandate or hire people who get routinely sick (or need to care for their sick loved ones) and become healthcare expenses and who don't come to work - making it harder to keep up with demand for the employers product. I'm guessing a lot of employers will go along with the mandate if it means not losing money. Capitalism!!! Oh yeah, and more people get sick and some of them die. ::light bulb flash:: just like during trumps administration when he was doing everything he could to protect Americans from covid19!!! It's OK that people get sick and some of them die - even when there are ways to avoid getting sick (and dying).
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 13, 2021 18:33:54 GMT -5
I suspect the unvaccinated will lose their jobs. ... How will they lose their jobs ? By authoritative decree from the executive branch of our government ? Do the police or military come out to these business's and tell them who to fire ? How will they force this ? Implied threat ? Direct threat ? Is there going to be a national vaccine registry so they know who to go after ? Think there could be a Schindler's list type of scenario developing because of this ? I have more questions in regards to fascist state operational parameters, but these will suffice for now. At the center of Biden's new plan is directing the Labor Department to require all businesses with 100 or more employees ensure their workers are either vaccinated or tested once a week, an expansive step the President took after consultation with administration health officials and lawyers. Companies could face thousands of dollars in fines per employee if they don't comply. link
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 13, 2021 19:50:55 GMT -5
I was required to have all my vaccinations to work at the university. This was made clear in my offer letter
My records were kept at Employee Health.
If I did not have one I either needed to get it there or provide proof I went elsewhere. I had a time limit.
I refuse I get fired for non compliance. HR/security escorts me out like any other termination.
Not sure how requiring the COVID shot equates to fascism.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 13, 2021 20:18:00 GMT -5
I was required to have all my vaccinations to work at the university. This was made clear in my offer letter My records were kept at Employee Health. If I did not have one I either needed to get it there or provide proof I went elsewhere. I had a time limit. I refuse I get fired for non compliance. HR/security escorts me out like any other termination. Not sure how requiring the COVID shot equates to fascism. What's an offer letter ? Public or private university ? Public. The hospital also requires vaccinations and will terminate for non compliance. I had to sign paper work saying I accepted. Part of accepting was I had to be health screened at employee health part of which was requiring my records. I had to keep it updated with routine dtap and flu shots. If I didn't have the dtap I would be flagged and lose my animal license till I complied. The flu shot wasn't required at first but a few years later became required unless you had a documented medical reason for exemption such as eggs. It was part of doing my job. I don't like it I did not have to work there. Simple as that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 15, 2021 14:53:00 GMT -5
What happens if the mandate is ignored ? Do the police or military come and hold you down while they inject the vaccine ? I suspect the unvaccinated will lose their jobs. We have that awesome employed "At will" thing - cause, you know I think that's a Republican thing... I'm guessing Republican business owners want to have a healthy work force - so they either comply with the mandate or hire people who get routinely sick (or need to care for their sick loved ones) and become healthcare expenses and who don't come to work - making it harder to keep up with demand for the employers product. I'm guessing a lot of employers will go along with the mandate if it means not losing money. Capitalism!!! Oh yeah, and more people get sick and some of them die. ::light bulb flash:: just like during trumps administration when he was doing everything he could to protect Americans from covid19!!! It's OK that people get sick and some of them die - even when there are ways to avoid getting sick (and dying). yeah, you are free to ignore the vaccine, so long as you keep to yourself, and don't endanger the public. you can do whatever it is you wish with your person or property so long as it DOES NOT HARM THE PERSON OR PROPERTY OF A NON-CONSENTING OTHER. do you understand that? it is a LIBERTARIAN principle. the principle is not that you can do whatever you like, regardless of others. that impinges on the liberties of OTHERS.
what is being practiced by the GOP is primary egoism. it is utterly without ethical support.
STOP IT.
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Post by Opti on Sept 15, 2021 15:00:19 GMT -5
What's tough for me is reading about these people who are dying or getting massive bills because of the lack of hospital beds. Many of the stories about things that could be surgery and a short stay in the hospital. One 12 yr old boy survived his appendix bursting but the bill is $45K or so, when it could have been less than half that had a bed been available in a timely fashion.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2021 11:27:42 GMT -5
Mu variant appears to have disappeared from the US
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 29, 2021 11:52:20 GMT -5
What's an offer letter ? Public or private university ? Public. The hospital also requires vaccinations and will terminate for non compliance. I had to sign paper work saying I accepted. Part of accepting was I had to be health screened at employee health part of which was requiring my records. I had to keep it updated with routine dtap and flu shots. If I didn't have the dtap I would be flagged and lose my animal license till I complied. The flu shot wasn't required at first but a few years later became required unless you had a documented medical reason for exemption such as eggs. It was part of doing my job. I don't like it I did not have to work there. Simple as that. Yep, this was a condition of my employment as well at every university (both private and public) I have been affiliated with. Non compliance = fired. I was also required to be TB tested every 6 months, non-compliance = fired. I complied because I know that we had invested a buttload of money in our lab animals, and me coming in ill and infecting the colony would be a $2.5 million loss to our research group. No research can afford that kind of a hit by someone being so stupid. It is all part of protecting something else, even if you don't give a shit about yourself.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2021 17:52:28 GMT -5
No Biden did it. He did a great job. He eradicated it/s This is why worrying about specific variants is pointless. We can do nothing about them. We do not understand all the factors that make one superior to another. The only thing we can do is to suppress their development by stopping transmission with vaccination and not doing things to spread the virus. But that is too much to ask, so I wait for someone to post about the next variant
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