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Post by billisonboard on Aug 15, 2021 15:00:26 GMT -5
Watching the Taliban move into Kabul, I can't help but wonder, "What would Americans do?"
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 15, 2021 15:25:37 GMT -5
I don't understand the question.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 15, 2021 15:37:43 GMT -5
If a like situation were to happen here, if the existing system were being overrun, how would the general American population respond?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 15, 2021 15:52:40 GMT -5
If the current government were overrun by a heavily armed militia like there I'd stay inside and hope for safety during the transition. Not like I could fight them.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 15, 2021 16:17:58 GMT -5
I thought about how America would handle something like this as I watch TV on January 6th. I live in a densely populated very urban area. I can't fight the insurrectionists, but I can wait for whatever comes after and act accordingly. I suspect live would go on pretty much as it is now. I'm not sure how many troops and what kind of fire power are needed to contain the 6 million people who live in my local area. I'm guessing the miles and miles of local road construction would inhibit some of the bigger military vehicles. FWIW: Afghanistan has approximately 40 million people and 252,071 square miles. Texas has 30 million people and is 268,597 square miles. I'm guessing who ever takes over America is gonna need a lot of feet on the ground and or a lot of fire power. I'm not sure that taking over the Government would shut down all the business/trade foreign or local that happens. I'm not sure how easy it would be to quickly shut down the supply chains to all parts of the country. I wonder if our governmental 'structure' would help or hinder an overthrow/take over. I can see sections/States of the US quickly seceding from the Union if there was a take over. If that happens - it would probably be less awful for people in the coastal cities (easier to carry on world trade) or say states along the Mississippi River/Great Lakes.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 15, 2021 16:24:01 GMT -5
Watching the Taliban move into Kabul, I can't help but wonder, "What would Americans do?" It would depend on how they were trying to do it & in what areas. This country is likely too big to take over much of it without getting some fighting back...including us down here.
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Post by mroped on Aug 15, 2021 17:18:55 GMT -5
When Japan was planing Pearl Harbor, someone had put forth the idea of invading and occupying US. Yamamoto’s response was “impossible task! Behind every blade of grass, there is a farmer with a rifle!” -paraphrase Ofcourse, that wouldn’t be the real reason! There is the vast expanse of the country with various terrain and natural barriers. There is the fact that the Union IS in fact an Union meaning that each state is independently functioning from a political/economical stance. In my opinion, I believe that anarchy would ensue: you’d have the trigger happy, gun totting people thinking about their newly found important position trying to settle old scores, be it against a neighbor or some form of law enforcement agency. Then you’d have the armed, sane, responsible people that will try to cope with the new situation by maybe coordinating for some form of stand or dealing with the rowdy anarchists. and then there is the helpless-no weapons or desire to have one that would cause a lot of trouble by refusing to abide by any rules/orders just to “make a stand”.
in short, it would be a complete and utter mess! A few years ago, I ran across this article about US’s readiness and there were some weird facts in there that made me scratch my head. There was a lot of talk about the “American patriotism and how we stand together against the enemy”. My thought on the article was that the writer is on drugs! Any form of patriotism goes out the window when a gun is shoved in your face and you are facing certain death. It becomes about survival!
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 15, 2021 17:56:03 GMT -5
I thought about how America would handle something like this as I watch TV on January 6th. I live in a densely populated very urban area. I can't fight the insurrectionists, but I can wait for whatever comes after and act accordingly. I suspect live would go on pretty much as it is now. I'm not sure how many troops and what kind of fire power are needed to contain the 6 million people who live in my local area. I'm guessing the miles and miles of local road construction would inhibit some of the bigger military vehicles. FWIW: Afghanistan has approximately 40 million people and 252,071 square miles. Texas has 30 million people and is 268,597 square miles. I'm guessing who ever takes over America is gonna need a lot of feet on the ground and or a lot of fire power. I'm not sure that taking over the Government would shut down all the business/trade foreign or local that happens. I'm not sure how easy it would be to quickly shut down the supply chains to all parts of the country. I wonder if our governmental 'structure' would help or hinder an overthrow/take over. I can see sections/States of the US quickly seceding from the Union if there was a take over. If that happens - it would probably be less awful for people in the coastal cities (easier to carry on world trade) or say states along the Mississippi River/Great Lakes. The 'good guy' States' blockading the mouth of the Mississippi River with their navy and hindering all water travel out of the river.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 15, 2021 18:23:34 GMT -5
Afghanistan is a unique situation of an occupying force propping up the old regime being taken over by Afghanistan natives.
If we do have, say, a MAGA head army attempting to take over the US, I don’t see any way they could succeed. I do, however think if the Texas national guard declared Texas to an independent religious state, enough Texas MAGA heads could seize the Texas government and defend the borders with the other states, as long as the US Air Force and infantry didn’t enter the fight. I think, like with Afghanistan, enough religious people would join forces to help overrun it.
Of course, whether or not they would be successful long term, I doubt it. Too much infighting to establish anything other than a tyrant, I think, and Texans wouldn’t tolerate that for long.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 15, 2021 18:56:37 GMT -5
If a like situation were to happen here, if the existing system were being overrun, how would the general American population respond? I think that we are in the midst of a sort of American Taliban takeover, right now. it is happening with less violence and ferocity, but that is because we have 250 years of civil rule. Afghanistan doesn't.
so, I guess my answer is that it would look like the view from your front porch.
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Post by haapai on Aug 15, 2021 21:19:39 GMT -5
If a like situation were to happen here, if the existing system were being overrun, how would the general American population respond? I think that I understand your question but I'm having a hard time imagining the US being in a situation similar to Afghanistan's. I'd have to go back to the War of 1812 to come up with similar situation. The US does not have much of a history of being invaded or occupied. Afghanistan does. You might even say that their existing system is all about being continually invaded and driving the invaders back out.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 16, 2021 8:02:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure the analogy quite works. We have the third largest army on the planet. If they can't stop insurgents from gaining control, there is fuck all I would be able to do about it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 16, 2021 8:31:21 GMT -5
That doesn’t fit with the fantasy of the second amendment
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 16, 2021 8:38:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure the analogy quite works. We have the third largest army on the planet. If they can't stop insurgents from gaining control, there is fuck all I would be able to do about it. Rely on our military and if they don't stop it, do nothing is one option.
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Post by Bob Ross on Aug 16, 2021 8:49:49 GMT -5
I would point and laugh at the MAGA cosplayers, and wait for their moms to come fetch them and give them a spanking.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2021 10:04:35 GMT -5
Watching the Taliban move into Kabul, I can't help but wonder, "What would Americans do?" Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and Harris would be on the first jet out of DC headed to Cuba or Haiti where they would set up a ghost government taxing American citizens for their insurrection fight. (I guess if everyone else can take political shots at conservatives over a serious question, I can make one about the democrats too) I wonder what women in power in DC actually think would happen to them in the aftermath, assuming you are asking about a Taliban takeover which I realize that is probably not your question Please note, no one stormed the airports around DC on January 6th to get out of Dodge......
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2021 10:13:21 GMT -5
It is sad that no one bothered posting anything about the collapse of Afghanistan on a political forum and what it means for America in the short and longterm in International politics and America's performance on the world stage. Probably does not mean a whole lot though. Most American citizens were not alive when Saigon collapsed two years after we pulled out when the same questions were asked then, plus all the immigrants who have migrated here in decades since then do not worry about those situations because they got their new home. Not even sure if International politics and America's standing in the world will change. We will make the same stupid mistakes in the decades to come....... The old adage about doing the same dumb thing over and over comes to mind......... It does boggle my mind how these third world countries we prop up have thousands of followers willing to die for a cause, but these same countries have so few people willing to die to protect theirown country........ The Military Industrial complex and Federal Government will just be moving on to their next little foray.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 16, 2021 10:33:21 GMT -5
It is sad that no one bothered posting anything about the collapse of Afghanistan on a political forum and what it means for America in the short and longterm in International politics and America's performance on the world stage. Probably does not mean a whole lot though. Most American citizens were not alive when Saigon collapsed two years after we pulled out when the same questions were asked then, plus all the immigrants who have migrated here in decades since then do not worry about those situations because they got their new home. Not even sure if International politics and America's standing in the world will change. We will make the same stupid mistakes in the decades to come....... The old adage about doing the same dumb thing over and over comes to mind......... It does boggle my mind how these third world countries we prop up have thousands of followers willing to die for a cause, but these same countries have so few people willing to die to protect theirown country........ The Military Industrial complex and Federal Government will just be moving on to their next little foray. Don't be sad, be glad ymam.proboards.com/thread/65013/afghanistan?page=1Granted, it doesn't include what you think others should be talking about but then I don't see your post there discussing it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 16, 2021 10:33:43 GMT -5
We have half-assed the "war" in Afghanistan for a long time. It had some reasonable rationale at the very beginning, but the true end goal was never really determined. Then inertia took over, and it continued because it continued, and no side wanted to be blamed when this inevitable outcome occurred. Thus was always going to be the outcome. The Afganis do not have a tradition of centralized self-government, and we were unable to instill that. A lot of peoples lives were changed forever, and a lot of money was wasted, and for what purpose. At a minimum, we should have been out of there after bin Laden was killed
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2021 10:49:04 GMT -5
It is sad that no one bothered posting anything about the collapse of Afghanistan on a political forum and what it means for America in the short and longterm in International politics and America's performance on the world stage. Probably does not mean a whole lot though. Most American citizens were not alive when Saigon collapsed two years after we pulled out when the same questions were asked then, plus all the immigrants who have migrated here in decades since then do not worry about those situations because they got their new home. Not even sure if International politics and America's standing in the world will change. We will make the same stupid mistakes in the decades to come....... The old adage about doing the same dumb thing over and over comes to mind......... It does boggle my mind how these third world countries we prop up have thousands of followers willing to die for a cause, but these same countries have so few people willing to die to protect theirown country........ The Military Industrial complex and Federal Government will just be moving on to their next little foray. Don't be sad, be glad ymam.proboards.com/thread/65013/afghanistan?page=1Granted, it doesn't include what you think others should be talking about but then I don't see your post there discussing it. Sorry about that. Had not been on the board since Friday and you updated the thread well after that. I forgot that thread, and even" liked" a post few days earlier on that thread before you bumped it this weekend......and fyi, I am really really really trying to stay out of polical discussions but it is damn hard. I have ben having flashbacks this weekend to when Saigon fell. I cried for days when that happened knowing how many soldiers died and were maimed, mentally damaged, in that shitfest.......Kids I grew up with died, lost limbs and were mentally damaged. Personal to the 10th degree, plus my 14 months there protecting MAC V headquarters where it was like serving stateside duty while people died every day......pressed fatigues, polished brass and boots, making sure I saluted perfectly or go on report..... To this day I feel like why should people tell me "thank you for your service"
I had it made and know it is the ones who did not come back or came back maimed deserve all the attention..........the guilt is heavy again today........signing off for the day......got to decompose.......
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 16, 2021 10:52:55 GMT -5
Watching the Taliban move into Kabul, I can't help but wonder, "What would Americans do?" Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and Harris would be on the first jet out of DC headed to Cuba or Haiti where they would set up a ghost government taxing American citizens for their insurrection fight. (I guess if everyone else can take political shots at conservatives over a serious question, I can make one about the democrats too) I wonder what women in power in DC actually think would happen to them in the aftermath, assuming you are asking about a Taliban takeover which I realize that is probably not your question Please note, no one stormed the airports around DC on January 6th to get out of Dodge...... Bunker hunker don. Trump took shelter in White House bunker as protests ragedlink
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Post by souldoubt on Aug 16, 2021 10:53:19 GMT -5
No matter who was in office or making the call this was bound to happen as Afghanistan epitomizes everything wrong with US policy abroad. US money being sent there to fund the army wasn't ending up where it was supposed to and soldiers weren't getting paid. They could have been better prepared for this by getting US citizens and those who worked with and/or helped the US out of the country before pulling out. As to the OP's question the only way something similar would happen in the US is if a large enough force (most likely being some part of the US armed forces that attempts an overthrow or start a revolution) were to do it. In that case there's very little that even areas that are armed to the teeth would be able to do to a trained and well armed force. In that case unless someone comes through my front door I'll stay inside and wait for the dust to settle.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 16, 2021 10:57:13 GMT -5
Watching the Taliban move into Kabul, I can't help but wonder, "What would Americans do?" Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and Harris would be on the first jet out of DC headed to Cuba or Haiti where they would set up a ghost government taxing American citizens for their insurrection fight. (I guess if everyone else can take political shots at conservatives over a serious question, I can make one about the democrats too) I wonder what women in power in DC actually think would happen to them in the aftermath, assuming you are asking about a Taliban takeover which I realize that is probably not your question Please note, no one stormed the airports around DC on January 6th to get out of Dodge...... Our American revolutionary troops stormed the airports according to our country's greatest historian Ddonald trump. But it wasn't on January 6th. President Trump Said Revolutionary War Troops 'Took Over the Airports' in His Fourth of July Speechlink
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 16, 2021 11:01:13 GMT -5
Watching the Taliban move into Kabul, I can't help but wonder, "What would Americans do?" Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and Harris would be on the first jet out of DC headed to Cuba or Haiti where they would set up a ghost government taxing American citizens for their insurrection fight. (I guess if everyone else can take political shots at conservatives over a serious question, I can make one about the democrats too) I wonder what women in power in DC actually think would happen to them in the aftermath, assuming you are asking about a Taliban takeover which I realize that is probably not your question Please note, no one stormed the airports around DC on January 6th to get out of Dodge...... Funny post from someone trying to stay out of political discussion.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 16, 2021 11:36:11 GMT -5
Curious if we have anyone from New Hampshire here?
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Post by Tiny on Aug 16, 2021 12:15:40 GMT -5
I thought about how America would handle something like this as I watch TV on January 6th. I live in a densely populated very urban area. I can't fight the insurrectionists, but I can wait for whatever comes after and act accordingly. I suspect live would go on pretty much as it is now. I'm not sure how many troops and what kind of fire power are needed to contain the 6 million people who live in my local area. I'm guessing the miles and miles of local road construction would inhibit some of the bigger military vehicles. FWIW: Afghanistan has approximately 40 million people and 252,071 square miles. Texas has 30 million people and is 268,597 square miles. I'm guessing who ever takes over America is gonna need a lot of feet on the ground and or a lot of fire power. I'm not sure that taking over the Government would shut down all the business/trade foreign or local that happens. I'm not sure how easy it would be to quickly shut down the supply chains to all parts of the country. I wonder if our governmental 'structure' would help or hinder an overthrow/take over. I can see sections/States of the US quickly seceding from the Union if there was a take over. If that happens - it would probably be less awful for people in the coastal cities (easier to carry on world trade) or say states along the Mississippi River/Great Lakes. The 'good guy' States' blockading the mouth of the Mississippi River with their navy and hindering all water travel out of the river. Yeah, that tactic did help the North win the Civil War. I'm not sure how important the Mississippi River (and the Great Lakes) are to "trade" today... but, I'm guessing if the US breaks apart current modern ways of moving "trade" stuff will get disrupted and perhaps using the old ways may make a comeback or might help sort out the "winner" states from the "loser" states again. I'm guessing long hauls by train and/or truck transportation of goods/trade might become a problem if the routes cross newly established boarders. Same might be true of Air travel (but moving goods by air is expensive and limiting). I'm guessing interior States will need to align with ones that have access to ports.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2021 13:34:09 GMT -5
If a like situation were to happen here, if the existing system were being overrun, how would the general American population respond? I pondered this while watching January 6th. If I could get to my money, I might be in decent shape. If our fake money system implodes and I am left with nothing, I would do what I could to get my children out, and then just let whoever come and kill me.
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If a like situation were to happen here, if the existing system were being overrun, how would the general American population respond? I pondered this while watching January 6th. If I could get to my money, I might be in decent shape. If our fake money system implodes and I am left with nothing, I would do what I could to get my children out, and then just let whoever come and kill me. Why would anyone come to you and kill you?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2021 15:12:33 GMT -5
Watching the Taliban move into Kabul, I can't help but wonder, "What would Americans do?" Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and Harris would be on the first jet out of DC headed to Cuba or Haiti where they would set up a ghost government taxing American citizens for their insurrection fight. (I guess if everyone else can take political shots at conservatives over a serious question, I can make one about the democrats too) I wonder what women in power in DC actually think would happen to them in the aftermath, assuming you are asking about a Taliban takeover which I realize that is probably not your question Please note, no one stormed the airports around DC on January 6th to get out of Dodge...... if it is Republican women, they might not know the difference.
Democratic women might prefer it over getting their pu$$ies grabbed. you'd have to ask.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 16, 2021 16:25:29 GMT -5
Watching the Taliban move into Kabul, I can't help but wonder, "What would Americans do?" Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and Harris would be on the first jet out of DC headed to Cuba or Haiti where they would set up a ghost government taxing American citizens for their insurrection fight. (I guess if everyone else can take political shots at conservatives over a serious question, I can make one about the democrats too) I wonder what women in power in DC actually think would happen to them in the aftermath, assuming you are asking about a Taliban takeover which I realize that is probably not your question Please note, no one stormed the airports around DC on January 6th to get out of Dodge...... That's kind of troll-ish. Like when someone mentions their finger hurts - and someone suggests they cut off their hand - cause then their finger won't hurt. Or when someone volunteers to stomp on their foot - so then their finger won't hurt as much as their foot. Not very helpful and kind of dismissive. What I want to know is why you went with Cuba and Haiti - when perhaps Panama or the Cayman Islands would have been better choices (you know where you think they keep all their ill gotten gains - cause if they are smart enough to offshore their money - surely they are smart enough to NOT go to Cuba or Haiti. )
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