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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 25, 2021 21:27:05 GMT -5
nearly 2 weeks later and the number continue to trend downward.
makes no sense! how is this not being called out?
can we even beleive the number of cases? it's calling everything into question.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 26, 2021 9:03:02 GMT -5
nearly 2 weeks later and the number continue to trend downward. makes no sense! how is this not being called out? can we even beleive the number of cases? it's calling everything into question. I have no doubt the numbers are being fudged. There is an election next year.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 26, 2021 10:13:29 GMT -5
As my Florida Relative says - no one is dying from Covid19 in Florida. Covid19 isn't that bad. It's all fake news.
FWIW: I'm pretty sure the Florida numbers are massaged. It's weird that with Florida's population and number of cases (and population age) that the number of deaths are so low.
Why is Florida's experience so different than the other States? I'm guessing it's the way they "count" Covid19 deaths. I'm guessing they have undercounted by quite a bit.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 26, 2021 11:21:23 GMT -5
As my Florida Relative says - no one is dying from Covid19 in Florida. Covid19 isn't that bad. It's all fake news. FWIW: I'm pretty sure the Florida numbers are massaged. It's weird that with Florida's population and number of cases (and population age) that the number of deaths are so low. Why is Florida's experience so different than the other States? I'm guessing it's the way they "count" Covid19 deaths. I'm guessing they have undercounted by quite a bit. I trust FL’s numbers less than China’s. That’s pretty sad when you consider that FL has doctored their books on the same scale as a country that is known for doing likewise. An engineer that we see for happy hour had some cohorts doing business in China. One of the really interesting statistics that they told him was that very early in the pandemic, when China was only reporting 26,000 deaths, there were a couple of million cellphone numbers shut off. In a country that has a gradually increasing number of new numbers, why would there be so many numbers shut off in such a short period?
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Post by Tiny on Aug 26, 2021 13:01:48 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/fact-check/china-cellphones-coronavirus/ The dropped phone numbers sounds nice - but that made my "insincerity" meter jump. I do suspect China's numbers are fictitious - but I'm guessing the same percentage of people died as we see here... IF covid19 kills 1% of the people it infects - that's 10K per million people. I don't think the millions of people necessary to produce 1 million deaths happened in China from second quarter 2019 thru first quarter 2020. I don't trust China's numbers - I don't think dropped cell phone numbers would be a good way to determine the death toll... I would think with that many dead bodies piling up so quickly we'd hear about that.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 27, 2021 13:37:02 GMT -5
I think the numbers are going to be studied, revised, updated and questioned for a decade or more. In every state and every country on earth. I believe the count from Mars are considered accurate.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 27, 2021 13:45:21 GMT -5
I would also bet the NY numbers are closer to reality than the numbers coming out of Florida. Ron "everything is ok, our hospitals aren't overburdened" De Santis sure doesn't appear to be one for transparency around the metrics given his track record
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 27, 2021 14:16:01 GMT -5
Which is about 20% of NY’s total death count. Not great, but there is still more transparency than FL.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2021 15:14:03 GMT -5
I would also bet the NY numbers are closer to reality than the numbers coming out of Florida. Ron "everything is ok, our hospitals aren't overburdened" De Santis sure doesn't appear to be one for transparency around the metrics given his track record DeSantis is wildly underreporting. most of the red states are.
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Post by busymom on Aug 27, 2021 18:48:39 GMT -5
The Florida count today on WorldOMeter is 27,584 new cases, but only 8 deaths. I don't believe that so few died of Covid. I wonder how they're describing the deaths?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2021 19:57:28 GMT -5
The Florida count today on WorldOMeter is 27,584 new cases, but only 8 deaths. I don't believe that so few died of Covid. I wonder how they're describing the deaths? natural causes.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2021 20:06:18 GMT -5
The Florida count today on WorldOMeter is 27,584 new cases, but only 8 deaths. I don't believe that so few died of Covid. I wonder how they're describing the deaths? natural causes. cuz nature tends to step in when you do stupid things like hang out in large groups not being vaccinated nor wearing a mask during a pandemic.
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Post by justme on Aug 28, 2021 0:22:33 GMT -5
I would also bet the NY numbers are closer to reality than the numbers coming out of Florida. Ron "everything is ok, our hospitals aren't overburdened" De Santis sure doesn't appear to be one for transparency around the metrics given his track record DeSantis is wildly underreporting. most of the red states are. He has more reported deaths than the number he won his election by. At this point I'm fed up enough and enough of a bitch that I'm crossing some fingers most of them voted for him.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 28, 2021 9:33:15 GMT -5
The Florida count today on WorldOMeter is 27,584 new cases, but only 8 deaths. I don't believe that so few died of Covid. I wonder how they're describing the deaths? What they do in the blazing red area I live in is this: if an older patient has diabetes and takes medicine for high blood pressure and then gets Covid and dies, they put that down to death due to diabetes/high blood pressure, arguing that the person was old and sick already and Covid just hastened their death. I don’t know what excuse they use for the younger, healthy people who are now dying. We’re going to have to compare average deaths per age group per year for several years prior to 2019 with the Covid year death rates to get a true idea of how many more deaths each region experienced with Covid, I’m afraid, since many places will try to fudge the numbers.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 28, 2021 9:38:22 GMT -5
It might be relevant to this thread. If NY added 12K deaths... and NY was one of the first states with a lot of press and scrutiny of death numbers right from day one. Just think about how under reported Florida might be.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 28, 2021 9:43:22 GMT -5
DH retired in 2019 but has kept in touch with his coworkers at one of the county courthouses.
This is a very conservative area and the judge over this court is an elected position so very political. When the county began requiring Covid masking rules the court ignored it and allowed unmasked clients to come into the courthouse to file petitions. Early on in 2020 one of the admin ladies came to work sick and gave Covid to most of the judges and many admin people- several got very sick but none died.
Now the Delta variant is very active here and the court is still ignoring any masking rules or even requiring sick employees or clients to stay home. At least two employees are very sick, one on a ventilator may not survive- and still the court is not following any Covid guidelines, not the local or state or federal. No suggestion anyone needs a vaccine.
I know state government employees are not covered by OSHA but surely the employees would have some ability to sue if their employer makes no effort to protect them? This is a court house with judges and lawyers you would think they would be aware of that.
Very happy DH retired when he did, and happy my company follows very strict Covid rules.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 28, 2021 9:44:39 GMT -5
Actuaries will lead us to the truth
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Post by Tiny on Aug 28, 2021 9:48:35 GMT -5
The Florida count today on WorldOMeter is 27,584 new cases, but only 8 deaths. I don't believe that so few died of Covid. I wonder how they're describing the deaths? natural causes. I think early on if someone didn't die in a hospital and they had covid19 (or suspected to have covid19) the death wasn't counted as a Covid19 death. I'm guessing quite a few people are dying at home these days from Covid19. (FWIW: people die from the flu and pneumonia at home, too we just generally don't have as many people sick with them ALL AT THE SAME TIME.) here's a current report of a home death.... there's been lots of them on the news services/local papers over the last 12 months... www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/27/florida-woman-covid-dead-husband/I'm guessing that a person's underlying health issues are what are being reported as their cause of death.... so if you are taking any medications or have any other health issues - and die after you contract Covid19 - you didn't die of Covid19 - you died because of your underlying causes. I wonder if death by obesity will go up.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 28, 2021 10:03:33 GMT -5
FWIW: on the World o Meter - Florida has been climbing in the deaths per million - about a month ago it was 1940 or so per million - and today it's 2032 per million.
I think Florida is just behind in reporting deaths (perhaps intentionally) - so say they report 8 deaths for a Monday - but then a week later they go back and revise it to 150 deaths.
A couple of other Red States I watch do that too. I get the other couple of states - they have smaller populations and have smaller "urban areas" so their population is spread out over the state (not the bulk of it in one or two areas). I get it that it might take more time to get all the reports in.
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Post by Opti on Aug 28, 2021 10:21:33 GMT -5
I think early on if someone didn't die in a hospital and they had covid19 (or suspected to have covid19) the death wasn't counted as a Covid19 death. I'm guessing quite a few people are dying at home these days from Covid19. (FWIW: people die from the flu and pneumonia at home, too we just generally don't have as many people sick with them ALL AT THE SAME TIME.) here's a current report of a home death.... there's been lots of them on the news services/local papers over the last 12 months... www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/27/florida-woman-covid-dead-husband/I'm guessing that a person's underlying health issues are what are being reported as their cause of death.... so if you are taking any medications or have any other health issues - and die after you contract Covid19 - you didn't die of Covid19 - you died because of your underlying causes. I wonder if death by obesity will go up. I read about that woman and her husband. Publicly she is not showing any regret for not getting the vaccine. I don't know how the reporting is going, but I do think it will be revised in later years to a more correct count.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2021 13:28:46 GMT -5
The Florida count today on WorldOMeter is 27,584 new cases, but only 8 deaths. I don't believe that so few died of Covid. I wonder how they're describing the deaths? What they do in the blazing red area I live in is this: if an older patient has diabetes and takes medicine for high blood pressure and then gets Covid and dies, they put that down to death due to diabetes/high blood pressure, arguing that the person was old and sick already and Covid just hastened their death. I don’t know what excuse they use for the younger, healthy people who are now dying. We’re going to have to compare average deaths per age group per year for several years prior to 2019 with the Covid year death rates to get a true idea of how many more deaths each region experienced with Covid, I’m afraid, since many places will try to fudge the numbers. yes. excess deaths. that is how it will end up. DeSantis' lies won't matter in the end. they don't really matter now, in fact.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 29, 2021 13:27:48 GMT -5
thanks for this link. wonder what the hold up was?
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Post by Tiny on Aug 29, 2021 14:26:22 GMT -5
FWIW: on the World o Meter - Florida has been climbing in the deaths per million - about a month ago it was 1940 or so per million - and today it's 2032 per million. Florida is just leap frogging other states in the Deaths per Million - today the WorldoMeter shows it as 2,048 deaths per million... That's 16 more deaths per million than a day ago... Looks like the deaths per day are back up into the 2 previous 'surge' number range. I wonder how they are handling all the bodies - based on the "no one is dying" face that seems to be put forward (or at least by my relatives - who watch TV news and get their info from that source).
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 29, 2021 15:13:08 GMT -5
Since most of the deaths are unvaccinated and they seem to be repubs, will this effect the next election? I really think it could.
I have been seeing trump looking people drifting into our local CVS of late getting shots. Can't believe some of them finally are.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 29, 2021 17:36:16 GMT -5
Since most of the deaths are unvaccinated and they seem to be repubs, will this effect the next election? I really think it could. I have been seeing trump looking people drifting into our local CVS of late getting shots. Can't believe some of them finally are. Only if they die in certain states. We need to lose about 30k Republicans in each of several swing states - AZ, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. We are just going to have to wait until a hurricane comes along and destroys all of Florida. It will never redeem itself
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 29, 2021 17:53:53 GMT -5
The Florida count today on WorldOMeter is 27,584 new cases, but only 8 deaths. I don't believe that so few died of Covid. I wonder how they're describing the deaths? natural causes. Natural asphyxiation - sounds like something those nitwits would come up with. It has a lot more letters than Covid and none of them are an "O" so it is something else altogether - and best of all it is "natural" so there now. Nothing you can prevent with stupid mask or a government tracking device aka a vaccine.
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Post by justme on Aug 29, 2021 21:20:34 GMT -5
Since most of the deaths are unvaccinated and they seem to be repubs, will this effect the next election? I really think it could. I have been seeing trump looking people drifting into our local CVS of late getting shots. Can't believe some of them finally are. Only if they die in certain states. We need to lose about 30k Republicans in each of several swing states - AZ, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. We are just going to have to wait until a hurricane comes along and destroys all of Florida. It will never redeem itself The reported death toll in Florida is already higher than what he won by. We're prob fucked still on our state congress though.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 29, 2021 23:45:05 GMT -5
Only if they die in certain states. We need to lose about 30k Republicans in each of several swing states - AZ, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. We are just going to have to wait until a hurricane comes along and destroys all of Florida. It will never redeem itself The reported death toll in Florida is already higher than what he won by. We're prob fucked still on our state congress though. The problem is that it has to be that conservative devotees have to outnumber Democratic voters deaths. I am sure the death toll is greater than the vote differential in a lot of places. How many of the deaths were not anti-vaxx nut cases, but instead doctors, nurses, caregivers or other people that were only at risk because people needed them, and they answered the call to help - knowing they may pay the ultimate price.
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