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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 13, 2021 10:14:50 GMT -5
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/So - the number of reported deaths from covid has plummeted over the last week while cases continue to rise higher than ever. I keep a watch on these things and 1-2 or 3 days of of lower deaths can happen, but this is starting to look really off. Is there something political happening with the reporting? Given, you know, desantis?
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 13, 2021 10:46:59 GMT -5
Would not be surprised. He already made a rule that they would only report cases once a week and would no longer report on how many cases per age bracket. Don’t want to be too scary I guess.
Or he’s noticed his approval numbers are tanking.
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Post by resolution on Aug 13, 2021 14:04:46 GMT -5
I believe that Florida reports out based on the date of death, so the majority of the deaths would be in the past on the chart, and today's deaths wouldn't be reported yet.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 13, 2021 15:39:04 GMT -5
Deaths lag cases by almost a month, so with the increasing number of cases today, the proportion of deaths should be in Sept some time.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 14, 2021 10:02:27 GMT -5
Deaths lag cases by almost a month, so with the increasing number of cases today, the proportion of deaths should be in Sept some time. Did you even look at the graph linked?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 14, 2021 10:41:56 GMT -5
Deaths lag cases by almost a month, so with the increasing number of cases today, the proportion of deaths should be in Sept some time. Did you even look at the graph linked? Yes, I looked at the graphs…..which pretty much verifies why I don’t believe any of the numbers coming out of FL anyway, so your point is moot. The FL governor has taken pains to obscure valid FL data for at least a year. GIGO.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 14, 2021 11:27:34 GMT -5
Florida took some pains right at the beginning of the pandemic to obscure the Covid19 death numbers and continued that thru today.
Florida has a had a surprisingly low deaths per million since the beginning of the pandemic. Hence my Florida relatives constant whining that "no one is dying in Florida of Covid19 - Covid19 is just like the flu or a cold get over it". And the "we don't wear masks in Florida - there's no reason to."
I know early on in the pandemic that deaths at home aren't counted in the Florida Covid19 numbers - even if you were tested and had Covid19 and were suffering from Covid19 at the time of your death.
I know early on in the pandemic if a Covid19 test wasn't done before you died - you didn't have Covid and it wasn't influential in your death.
I've found it odd - since the beginning of the pandemic - that few people in Florida nursing homes died of Covid19.
And then there's the oddness that with 20% of their population over 65 - hardly any Covid19 deaths were reported early on.
Florida has a population of 21million and has maintained one of the lowest deaths per million.
Florida and Texas have started climbing in the deaths per million - but are still low.
I am hoping that eventually we get to see the number of excessive deaths in Florida. I expect that to be quite telling.
I do find it fun to toss out the 40K Covid19 deaths that have been reported in Florida - to my Florida relatives - cause 'wow! the yearly flu must be super deadly in Florida - as 40K Covid19 deaths happened in 18 months - and 40K flu deaths total (all the states totals) would be a very deadly flu year... I'm guessing Florida obscures a lot of flu deaths if 40K people are dying from it every year - and it's so obvious that covid19 is just like the flu or a cold. "
** If my math is right - lets say 2500 per million died in Florida that would be 2500 * 21 = 52,500 people have died of Covid 19 in Florida. It might not be much of a stretch to go with 3000 * 21 = 63,000 people.
My relatives (over 60) and have been living like Covid19 is done (some masking, travel (visiting other relatives in the US) dining out/bars (as allowed), parties, etc...) since the pandemic started. They were vaccinated (as they are all over 60) by the end of March and have tossed out their masks and do/go where ever they want when ever they want. There is no Covid19.
Except now one of their adult kids has Covid19 and can't smell anything... and I heard some worry in their voice when I was told about it. (a couple of the other adult kids had Covid19 in 2020 - but they were sick (like with the flu) for a couple of days and then fine. giving credibility to the "it's like the flu. Only already sick/really old people will die." things they use to say. )
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 14, 2021 12:00:30 GMT -5
I think DeSantis also said it wasn't that big a deal, as "only" 30% of hospitalizations were related to COVID.
A few things:
If any infectious disease is the cause 0f 30% of hospitalizations it is a big deal Is that all patients hospitalized, including OB and Psych hospitalizations Is that 30% of what the hospital is licensed for, or is of the "real" number(staffed beds) Is it 30% of the surge number(beds that have been made as a necessity due to the number of patients) What matters is what will happen to a patient who needs to be admitted with a heart attack or due to a car accident. They do not go to OB or Psych. They need to go to one of the medical/surgical/ICU units. If those units are dealing with COVID patients, their care can be compromised. It is also not like you can make an OB nurse an ICU nurse overnight.
People who actually know and deal with this understand this. DeSantis does not(or refuses to acknowledge that reality). Elective procedures are again being postponed. Hospitals will only do that under duress, because that is where they make money. Patients are actually being negatively affected. And 800 physicians signed a letter to DeSantis asking for him to do his job. DeSantis had an issue with his data person last summer. Florida's official number are about as true as the Easter Bunny. If you want reality, look at what is going on in the hospitals.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2021 13:18:12 GMT -5
because many, if not MOST countries, have trouble diagnosing cause of death, the standard method used for determining the impact of pandemics is to compare death rates from YTY, and use "EXCESS MORTALITY" to determine overall covid impact. in short, it doesn't matter one stitch if DeSantis or Trump wants to pretend that people aren't dying. there WILL be death records, and we can easily compare excess mortality to judge the impact of covid. is it 100% accurate? no. but it will tell us more than their lying asses will: www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2021 13:21:41 GMT -5
People who actually know and deal with this understand this. DeSantis does not(or refuses to acknowledge that reality). Elective procedures are again being postponed. Hospitals will only do that under duress, because that is where they make money. Patients are actually being negatively affected. And 800 physicians signed a letter to DeSantis asking for him to do his job. DeSantis had an issue with his data person last summer. Florida's official number are about as true as the Easter Bunny. If you want reality, look at what is going on in the hospitals. sure. and there is more, too.
because of the danger of being around hostpitals, and because of emergency overcrowding, and because of the mandate on the part of many private hospitals to postpone "non essential medicine", many PREVENTABLE ILLNESSES will be running their merry course. people are putting off cancer screenings. they might overlook a heart palpitation that will later prove fatal. and all of this should be considered as disease pathology- illness and death that was CAUSED by the impact of the virus.
in short, it won't matter how much denialism is out there, unless you want to insist that the bodies piling up are just "taking a nap".
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 14, 2021 13:32:44 GMT -5
People who actually know and deal with this understand this. DeSantis does not(or refuses to acknowledge that reality). Elective procedures are again being postponed. Hospitals will only do that under duress, because that is where they make money. Patients are actually being negatively affected. And 800 physicians signed a letter to DeSantis asking for him to do his job. DeSantis had an issue with his data person last summer. Florida's official number are about as true as the Easter Bunny. If you want reality, look at what is going on in the hospitals. sure. and there is more, too.
because of the danger of being around hostpitals, and because of emergency overcrowding, and because of the mandate on the part of many private hospitals to postpone "non essential medicine", many PREVENTABLE ILLNESSES will be running their merry course. people are putting off cancer screenings. they might overlook a heart palpitation that will later prove fatal. and all of this should be considered as disease pathology- illness and death that was CAUSED by the impact of the virus.
in short, it won't matter how much denialism is out there, unless you want to insist that the bodies piling up are just "taking a nap".
Very true, DJ. But it doesn't matter. Rational thought has gone the way of the dodo for too large of our population. Last spring, it was estimated that there would be 10K extra deaths from cancer in the next 5 years due to postponed or missed screenings. That number is undoubtedly worse. Delaying non-emergent procedures may be ok for a short time, but people will sometimes be harmed. People will have a decrease in the quality of life due to delayed procedures. But a large part of the population no longer cares. Marjorie Taylor Greene basically said we have to die of something, so we cannot restrict our freedoms, and republicans said nothing, yet 10 years ago, all we heard about was the nonexistent "death panels". There is no bottom to the cravenness we are seeing. And people will die. If they didn't take some innocent bystanders with them, I would say good riddance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2021 13:46:56 GMT -5
all I am saying is that historians look back on this period, they will not see the political dodo edge to it. they will only see the excess deaths. and provided that there is some written record remaining at the time, they will know that disease was the cause.
in 1918-1919 we didn't have global medicine the way we do today. we didn't have an amazing instantaneous communications network. but we can still estimate that 50M people died worldwide, and 665,000 in the US. you want to hear the saddest of all things I have to say today?
the US death total will likely be MORE than 1918, but the world total will be LESS. what does that say about the US?
I can think of a lot that it says, and none of it is good.
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Post by azucena on Aug 15, 2021 10:03:19 GMT -5
I've seen the excess life insurance claims (ie access deaths for people who can afford life ins; this ends up being lower than true population). Can see it start in Feb in WA and then pick up in NY/NJ and follow the CDC trends. Texas went high and stayed high. I'll have to go back and look at FL but I'm sure the trend there is obvious too. Us actuaries were saying it's some of the prettiest trend line graphs we have ever seen with real data.
There is an industry report that I can link to on Monday when I'm at work.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 19, 2021 16:36:47 GMT -5
all I am saying is that historians look back on this period, they will not see the political dodo edge to it. they will only see the excess deaths. and provided that there is some written record remaining at the time, they will know that disease was the cause. in 1918-1919 we didn't have global medicine the way we do today. we didn't have an amazing instantaneous communications network. but we can still estimate that 50M people died worldwide, and 665,000 in the US. you want to hear the saddest of all things I have to say today? the US death total will likely be MORE than 1918, but the world total will be LESS. what does that say about the US? I can think of a lot that it says, and none of it is good. More as a percentage of people living in the country? Because I think we already passed 665k.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2021 23:10:25 GMT -5
oh no. but compared to global population? we look really bad in this one. really bad.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 20, 2021 6:37:31 GMT -5
Given our wealth, scientific capability, and medical resources, we have down abysmally
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 20, 2021 7:38:32 GMT -5
Given our wealth, scientific capability, and medical resources, we have down abysmally Clearly Jesus doesn't love America as much as some evangelicals claim.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 20, 2021 9:32:08 GMT -5
Given our wealth, scientific capability, and medical resources, we have down abysmally Clearly Jesus doesn't love America as much as some evangelicals claim. But He does. He's lonely in heaven and wants more and more to join Him, especially little children.
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Post by justme on Aug 20, 2021 10:28:58 GMT -5
Given our wealth, scientific capability, and medical resources, we have down abysmally Clearly Jesus doesn't love America as much as some evangelicals claim. Or it's that story of the guy asking god why he let him die in the flood and god yells back I sent you a boat and a helicopter you fucking idiot (taking liberties with the paraphrasing). If there's a god I envision him at this point screaming at people that he gave us scientists and medical doctors and advanced equipment and a fucking vaccine... then walking away muttering you can't fix stupid while maybe pushing some people off a cloud.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 20, 2021 11:07:46 GMT -5
Clearly Jesus doesn't love America as much as some evangelicals claim. Or it's that story of the guy asking god why he let him die in the flood and god yells back I sent you a boat and a helicopter you fucking idiot (taking liberties with the paraphrasing). If there's a god I envision him at this point screaming at people that he gave us scientists and medical doctors and advanced equipment and a fucking vaccine... then walking away muttering you can't fix stupid while maybe pushing some people off a cloud. I just mentioned this very same story last night.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 20, 2021 11:18:58 GMT -5
Clearly Jesus doesn't love America as much as some evangelicals claim. Or it's that story of the guy asking god why he let him die in the flood and god yells back I sent you a boat and a helicopter you fucking idiot (taking liberties with the paraphrasing). If there's a god I envision him at this point screaming at people that he gave us scientists and medical doctors and advanced equipment and a fucking vaccine... then walking away muttering you can't fix stupid while maybe pushing some people off a cloud. Some people beings refuse to take the blame for their design flaws.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 20, 2021 12:20:41 GMT -5
Given our wealth, scientific capability, and medical resources, we have down abysmally our death rate should have been less than 100 per million. we absolutely failed at everything other than developing vaccines.
the proof is Korea and NZ. neither of those countries developed a vaccine. NZ's deaths per million is 5 SK's deaths per million is 43 USA's deaths per million is 1930.
1650 deaths would have been great. 16500 deaths would have been really good. 50-65k was about what I expected if we had done our best.
600k Americans died unnecessarily.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 22, 2021 11:51:00 GMT -5
Given our wealth, scientific capability, and medical resources, we have down abysmally our death rate should have been less than 100 per million. we absolutely failed at everything other than developing vaccines.
the proof is Korea and NZ. neither of those countries developed a vaccine. NZ's deaths per million is 5 SK's deaths per million is 43 USA's deaths per million is 1930.
1650 deaths would have been great. 16500 deaths would have been really good. 50-65k was about what I expected if we had done our best.
600k Americans died unnecessarily.
I saw yesterday on the news box that a medical professional is predicting another 100 - 200,000 to add to the total, due to our shitty Southern strategy of ignoring science.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 22, 2021 12:11:50 GMT -5
I think 1M is still possible. if we do everything wrong.
it won't be reported that way by us. it will be reported that way by the WHO.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 23, 2021 8:11:54 GMT -5
Not fast enough.
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Post by swamp on Aug 23, 2021 10:17:00 GMT -5
I've seen the excess life insurance claims (ie access deaths for people who can afford life ins; this ends up being lower than true population). Can see it start in Feb in WA and then pick up in NY/NJ and follow the CDC trends. Texas went high and stayed high. I'll have to go back and look at FL but I'm sure the trend there is obvious too. Us actuaries were saying it's some of the prettiest trend line graphs we have ever seen with real data. There is an industry report that I can link to on Monday when I'm at work. So how’s it feel to be a deep state purveyor of fake news?
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Post by azucena on Aug 23, 2021 10:37:51 GMT -5
I've seen the excess life insurance claims (ie access deaths for people who can afford life ins; this ends up being lower than true population). Can see it start in Feb in WA and then pick up in NY/NJ and follow the CDC trends. Texas went high and stayed high. I'll have to go back and look at FL but I'm sure the trend there is obvious too. Us actuaries were saying it's some of the prettiest trend line graphs we have ever seen with real data. There is an industry report that I can link to on Monday when I'm at work. So how’s it feel to be a deep state purveyor of fake news? It wasn't great for my workload and bonus. I am extremely blessed that my company board of directors chose to pay us differently to reflect how much work we did. Here's one of the industry studies that I referenced www.soa.org/globalassets/assets/files/resources/experience-studies/2021/covid19_es1.pdfSome snippets The number of claims spiked significantly in the second quarter of 2020 as compared to prior trends, following a relatively flat level of claims in the first quarter. During the third quarter, there was a continued level of higher claims, but not to the same extent as during the second quarter. Mortality ratios for fully underwritten business were 14% higher than the expected trend line in the second quarter of 2020. During the third quarter of 2020, attained ages below 45 tended to experience the steepest mortality increases. While we expected to see a noticeable spike in claims in the New York and New Jersey region in the second quarter of 2020, it was somewhat surprising to see results in that region essentially return to normal by August. In Region 4 (Southeast) and Region 6 (Texas and surrounding states), there continued to be a much stronger impact of COVID-19 throughout the third quarter than for the other eight regions in the country.
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Post by swamp on Aug 23, 2021 11:54:51 GMT -5
Someone sure worked hard to come up with those fake numbers.
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