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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 27, 2021 12:33:51 GMT -5
Trump defends decision to abandon Kurdish allies in SyriaOctober 8, 2019 WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump cast his decision to abandon Kurdish fighters in Syria as fulfilling a campaign promise to withdraw from “endless war” in the Middle East, even as Republican critics and others said he was sacrificing a U.S. ally and undermining American credibility. Trump declared U.S. troops would step aside for an expected Turkish attack on the Kurds, who have fought alongside Americans for years, but he then threatened to destroy the Turks’ economy if they went too far. Even Trump’s staunchest Republican congressional allies expressed outrage at the prospect of abandoning Syrian Kurds who had fought the Islamic State group with American arms and advice. It was the latest example of Trump’s approach to foreign policy that critics condemn as impulsive, that he sometimes reverses and that frequently is untethered to the advice of his national security aides. Complete article here: link
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Aug 27, 2021 12:37:17 GMT -5
Yes Chris Chillizza once again nails it!
The utter ridiculousness of calls for Joe Biden to resign
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 27, 2021 12:40:52 GMT -5
Reagan after the Beirut bombing killed >250 Marines. All presidents have blood on their hands. Selective memory appears to be the case here
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2021 13:25:35 GMT -5
President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris were warned by their national security team this morning "that another terror attack in Kabul is likely," according to a White House official, who said the US is taking "maximum force protection measures at the Kabul Airport." link Quite the effort to keep us engaged there. I don't think we should give the terrorists what they want.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2021 16:22:17 GMT -5
When I was going to work at a juvenile detention center I asked if I should avoid wearing any particular colors. I was told I should not give the gangs the power to determine how I dressed, or the power to determine anything else.
I support staying the course that was planned.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 27, 2021 16:26:32 GMT -5
When I was going to work at a juvenile detention center I asked if I should avoid wearing any particular colors. I was told I should not give the gangs the power to determine how I dressed, or the power to determine anything else. I support staying the course that was planned. First there was BENGHAZI! And now KABUL!
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2021 16:39:48 GMT -5
It's just a couple of days more in that regard. I was more thinking of ruining any last minute plans by the Taliban. I am sure they and ISIS-K have a Plan B.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2021 17:12:46 GMT -5
I am sure they and ISIS-K have a Plan B. I'm not, but what could it possibly be we weren't there ? we don't yet have all out that we would like to get out so if we left now, those people would continue to be a good target with the add-on that we deserted them.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2021 20:46:09 GMT -5
we don't yet have all out that we would like to get out so if we left now, those people would continue to be a good target with the add-on that we deserted them. That's what is meant by 'We weren't there'. No one to execute a plan B on. You said "pull out now". Not sure we can get all of "we" out "now". I think we need more time. But certainly if the current plan is to just hang out until the end of month and then have everyone leave, I agree do it "now".
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2021 21:54:57 GMT -5
The outrage over 12 deaths is amazing. 100k people in the hospital with a preventable disease. We will have thousands dead just from that. We have republicans lying about the situation, and refusing to do anything about it. But 12 Americans have died today 1/2 a world away, and it is an outrage. Excuse me, but I find 600k dead far more outrageous than what happened today. Spare me your faux concern about American lives Get ready guys....this will be Benghazi 2.0, and there will be 450 hearings about it! 12 lives is so much worse than 600k lives, because math doesn't really matter to republicans. not with Democrats in charge. and by 2023, this will probably be viewed a LOT more favorably than it is now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2021 21:57:18 GMT -5
still waiting for someone to explain how 13 marines are dead if ISIS was defeated.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 28, 2021 6:37:58 GMT -5
Trump signs a deal in Feb 2020 that we will be out by May 2021. I guess my question is, why weren't these American citizens making arrangements and getting the hell out. Why weren't arrangements made to get the Afghans out that were helping us?
I don't see where either party has the right to play the blame game. We had two choices: stay forever or get out and the chaos going on now was inevitable no matter who was President.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 28, 2021 9:50:41 GMT -5
Trump signs a deal in Feb 2020 that we will be out by May 2021. I guess my question is, why weren't these American citizens making arrangements and getting the hell out. Why weren't arrangements made to get the Afghans out that were helping us? I don't see where either party has the right to play the blame game. We had two choices: stay forever or get out and the chaos going on now was inevitable no matter who was President. I was kinda thinking the same thing. Maybe there was more to do than it looks like, and there were only so many resources, so not everything could get done? That is what I tell myself at work everyday- the task was harder and more complex than a casual observer thinks it is.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 28, 2021 9:54:14 GMT -5
Trump signs a deal in Feb 2020 that we will be out by May 2021. I guess my question is, why weren't these American citizens making arrangements and getting the hell out. Why weren't arrangements made to get the Afghans out that were helping us? I don't see where either party has the right to play the blame game. We had two choices: stay forever or get out and the chaos going on now was inevitable no matter who was President. I was kinda thinking the same thing. Maybe there was more to do than it looks like, and there were only so many resources, so not everything could get done? That is what I tell myself at work everyday- the task was harder and more complex than a casual observer thinks it is. Nah, people who have no knowledge in a specific area can now become experts in a field because of google. It then is easy to criticize what is done because they know everything they need to about the subject.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 28, 2021 10:12:10 GMT -5
I was kinda thinking the same thing. Maybe there was more to do than it looks like, and there were only so many resources, so not everything could get done? That is what I tell myself at work everyday- the task was harder and more complex than a casual observer thinks it is. Nah, people who have no knowledge in a specific area can now become experts in a field because of google. It then is easy to criticize what is done because they know everything they need to about the subject. If only people would fully utilize Google and develop at least some level of expertise. There have always been people who have barstool expertise. The internet just goes them a larger forum in which to pontificate.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 28, 2021 14:15:50 GMT -5
I don't think we should give the terrorists what they want.
I think we should get everyone out that wants to get out, and very quickly.
Then shut down all trade, both import and export, and let them figure out how to feed themselves. Internal warfare over food and water.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 28, 2021 14:53:39 GMT -5
I don't think we should give the terrorists what they want.I think we should get everyone out that wants to get out, and very quickly. Then shut down all trade, both import and export, and let them figure out how to feed themselves. Internal warfare over food and water. When I look at who all shares borders with Afghanistan, I question whether it would be possible to "shut down all trade".
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Post by dondub on Aug 28, 2021 15:41:38 GMT -5
I don't think we should give the terrorists what they want.I think we should get everyone out that wants to get out, and very quickly. Then shut down all trade, both import and export, and let them figure out how to feed themselves. Internal warfare over food and water. Starving children...a time tested Repo-Con strategy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2021 17:40:19 GMT -5
except in Iraq, when we slaughtered 60,000 of them.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 28, 2021 18:50:09 GMT -5
The neighbouring countries of Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia..... are talking to the Taliban with a view to conditional trade.
What anyone else does is irrelevant.
Seems sensible really... they don't want a pariah state on their doorstep and they don't want refugees. Plus Afghanistan is rich in natural resources...Gas, minerals and ores.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 30, 2021 17:28:05 GMT -5
If only people would fully utilize Google and develop at least some level of expertise. There have always been people who have barstool expertise. The internet just goes them a larger forum in which to pontificate. Exactly. Take for instance, my sound military idea of actually pulling out of Afghanistan before the announced date. By planning this in advance. Just going by todays announcements, and my previous posts. Re; " This is how a commander and chief gets it done".
af.usembassy.gov/security-alert-u-s-embassy-kabul-afghanistan-august-28-2021/It's Commander IN Chief.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 30, 2021 17:50:42 GMT -5
I'm not, but what could it possibly be we weren't there ? we don't yet have all out that we would like to get out so if we left now, those people would continue to be a good target with the add-on that we deserted them. it would not surprise me one bit if ISIS tried to destabilize Afghanistan, and run the place.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 30, 2021 18:36:52 GMT -5
The neighbouring countries of Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia..... are talking to the Taliban with a view to conditional trade. What anyone else does is irrelevant. Seems sensible really... they don't want a pariah state on their doorstep and they don't want refugees. Plus Afghanistan is rich in natural resources...Gas, minerals and ores. We have to keep in mind that cutting off trade to punish countries will become less and less effective. China's economy is catching up to us, and they have enough people, money and factories to be everyone's biggest trading partner if we dip. Long term it will be pretty dangerous to have bunches of countries loyal to China and angry with us. Foreign relations are so hard. So very, very hard.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 30, 2021 21:18:16 GMT -5
Conservative media including Laura Ingram claimed no one from the Biden administration including President Biden met the 13 fallen soldiers when they landed at Dover, Delaware yesterday. Why do conservatives lie?
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Post by dondub on Aug 30, 2021 22:20:44 GMT -5
Conservative media including Laura Ingram claimed no one from the Biden administration including President Biden met the 13 fallen soldiers when they landed at Dover, Delaware yesterday. Why do conservatives lie? Because their drones believe them and spread the poison to others. Then when you try and debunk the BS you get responses like I do at another board. First attack is on where the link came from. If it’s CNN or MSNBC it’s immediately denied having any validity. If it’s from a slightly more acceptable source ‘video editing’ is mentioned. They are addicted to deluding themselves in service to Trumpism.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 30, 2021 22:25:03 GMT -5
Conservative media including Laura Ingram claimed no one from the Biden administration including President Biden met the 13 fallen soldiers when they landed at Dover, Delaware yesterday. Why do conservatives lie? Because their drones believe them and spread the poison to others. Then when you try and debunk the BS you get responses like I do at another board. First attack is on where the link came from. If it’s CNN or MSNBC it’s immediately denied having any validity. If it’s from a slightly more acceptable source ‘video editing’ is mentioned. They are addicted to deluding themselves in service to Trumpism. F'n sick.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 31, 2021 20:04:02 GMT -5
Have to wonder how things might have gone differently, perhaps better, if America had had someone with direct frontline international relations experience at the helm over the past few years.
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