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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 19, 2021 18:43:24 GMT -5
Yes this has already occurred to us.
I think we are taking the evacuees somewhere else to process first and I hope they get it right. We have had a lot of terrorism in the UK and the Islamist threat has been emboldened by this latest episode. Its a worry.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2021 19:11:47 GMT -5
Yes this has already occurred to us. I think we are taking the evacuees somewhere else to process first and I hope they get it right. We have had a lot of terrorism in the UK and the Islamist threat has been emboldened by this latest episode. Its a worry. It would have been great if the Afghan civilian leadership and military had put up a fight so that terrorists weren't emboldened.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Aug 19, 2021 20:13:29 GMT -5
That's not how I read that article and this similar article.I read them to mean that the US has asked multiple countries including Albania, Qatar, Uganda, North Macedonia, etc. to temporarily accept people with the ultimate goal of bringing them to the US. This is only a stop gap to save as many people as possible without causing another crisis. From the article I linked: "The United Nations has estimated that nearly 4,00,000 Afghans have already been forced to flee their homes since the start of this year. This, over the already 2.9 million Afghans that had already been internally displaced at the end of 2020. Some 80 percent of nearly a quarter of a million Afghans forced to flee since the end of May are women and children, as per the UN.... ...Most of the displaced, sadly, have been unable to leave the country. As per the United Nations, the overwhelming majority of Afghans forced to flee remain within the country, as close to their homes as fighting will allow. Since the beginning of this year, nearly 1,20,000 Afghans have fled from rural areas and provincial towns to Kabul province." Note: I am not that naive to think that the temporary hosting of people will work out as planned. Those who settle in Albania or Uganda for the time it will take to obtain a US visa may want to remain there, they may want to go back as the conditions change, or the US may have a change in leadership and may restrict the process more. I am also not that naive to think that just because Canada has stated that it will accept 20,000 people that it will do so. Oh, it will do so. We took in over 25,000 Syrian refugees. How many did the USA take?
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Aug 20, 2021 10:37:23 GMT -5
Yes this has already occurred to us. I think we are taking the evacuees somewhere else to process first and I hope they get it right. We have had a lot of terrorism in the UK and the Islamist threat has been emboldened by this latest episode. Its a worry. Thank you for validating my thoughts. I seem to be refuted on nearly every comment including, pickleball is playing indoor because of the rain.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Aug 20, 2021 10:45:05 GMT -5
There are enough people being evacuated that they could start their own country. Building up the infrastructure to support them would be a nightmare but it is an option. On top of that, I doubt any country would donate the land. Edit: In the US there are so many small towns that are dying. Another option. A long time ago, I read an article that said Detroit houses in some areas can be bought for next to nothing.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 20, 2021 11:01:33 GMT -5
There are enough people being evacuated that they could start their own country. Building up the infrastructure to support them would be a nightmare but it is an option. On top of that, I doubt any country would donate the land. Edit: In the US there are so many small towns that are dying. Another option. A long time ago, I read an article that said Detroit houses in some areas can be bought for next to nothing.
In the mid 70's I was at a Navy base on Guam which had no longer used barracks. They were opened up for Vietnamese boat people and then again (with fence added) for those who decided to return to Vietnam. I got a Humanitarian Service ribbon just for being stationed at the base when the first group came through. My chief just gave me a dirty look when I asked if we would get a Inhumane Service ribbon for being there for the ones going back.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Aug 20, 2021 11:11:11 GMT -5
Another possible solution. I have no idea how many large facilities could be utilized.
I usually keep an ear out to hear when retirement homes are no longer viable that could be repurposed. A lot of schools are repurposed into low income apartments.
The peoples who are relocated do need support to get through the culture shock and assimilate into new communities.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Aug 20, 2021 11:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 20, 2021 11:41:14 GMT -5
There is a little square above the reply box with a "world to page" symbol. It opens a window with space for text and address. You can just leave the text as 'link' or change it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 20, 2021 11:48:03 GMT -5
There are enough people being evacuated that they could start their own country. Building up the infrastructure to support them would be a nightmare but it is an option. On top of that, I doubt any country would donate the land. Edit: In the US there are so many small towns that are dying. Another option. A long time ago, I read an article that said Detroit houses in some areas can be bought for next to nothing.
Here's the thing....once they're in the country, they don't have to stay in the small towns. When we relocated refugees into small towns, they didn't like it there and left.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 20, 2021 11:49:07 GMT -5
Not seriously concerned. People are keeping an eye on him. Bottom line, I'm okay with Harris taking over.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 20, 2021 15:47:59 GMT -5
If you're wondering WHY they left the small towns? No halal food, no islamic community centers and no mosques.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 21, 2021 12:51:39 GMT -5
I think the US are flying people to Qatar to be processed.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2021 15:17:27 GMT -5
there was a big to-do made on this board about the Syrian resettlement. it was presumed that they would increase crime and terrorism. I sponsored a Syrian family. they ended up getting resettled in a Syrian ex-pat community in Hayward, CA. they are doing well, employed, learning English. I know of ZERO incidents of Syrian terrorism in the US by this group. on the contrary, they are thankful to be here. they are exactly like the rest of us. they came here to escape poverty and oppression. it is well to remember that.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 24, 2021 13:14:37 GMT -5
I think the US are flying people to Qatar to be processed. I heard at least one plane load went to the air force base in Germany. Either way, they aren't just landing those planes at DFW and letting everyone just wander out into the US population.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 25, 2021 3:04:57 GMT -5
Yes some have gone to Germany
I don't know what you are doing but we have a list...... as far as I know 4 have been stopped, 3 in processing who were not allowed entry.... and one came in to be reconsidered and allowed to stay (nothing to do with terrorism)
Looks like we are running out of time. The evacuation has to stop at the weekend and some of the people who were invited here.... will not be able to get out. The Talban rather ominously said they wouldn't allow Afghanis to leave (I think they are experiencing a brain drain)
So it will be over.... and good luck to those who are staying. I suspect the promises made by the Taliban will not be upheld.... They wont be getting the international money they had been getting. They have a Covid pandemic and a failed harvest.... so hunger is looming. The new government will have to step up or they will be in crisis.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 25, 2021 9:13:55 GMT -5
It freaks me out when countries have a blanket policy of not letting people leave. It is basically a hostage situation. If a country won't let you in - I get it, but not letting someone out just makes me cringe.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 25, 2021 9:43:03 GMT -5
Witnessing a drain of the expertise necessary for a country to function has to be unnerving. A panic response to stop it makes sense to me.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 25, 2021 12:27:49 GMT -5
Such a great humanitarian. Erik Prince offering to fly people out of Kabul for $6,500 eachErik Prince, the founder and former CEO of the security contractor previously known as Blackwater, is reportedly offering to fly people out of Kabul for $6,500 each as the evacuation effort in Afghanistan ramps up ahead of President Biden’s Tuesday deadline. The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday that Prince has said for $6,500 each people can be safely transported into the Hamid Karzai International Airport and onto a chartered flight, with an extra fee for those who want to be brought to the airport but are trapped in their homes. Article here: link
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 25, 2021 14:35:09 GMT -5
Such a great humanitarian. Erik Prince offering to fly people out of Kabul for $6,500 eachErik Prince, the founder and former CEO of the security contractor previously known as Blackwater, is reportedly offering to fly people out of Kabul for $6,500 each as the evacuation effort in Afghanistan ramps up ahead of President Biden’s Tuesday deadline. The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday that Prince has said for $6,500 each people can be safely transported into the Hamid Karzai International Airport and onto a chartered flight, with an extra fee for those who want to be brought to the airport but are trapped in their homes. Article here: linkI am interested in where that plane will land? Does the military know about this?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 25, 2021 17:41:01 GMT -5
Such a great humanitarian. Erik Prince offering to fly people out of Kabul for $6,500 eachErik Prince, the founder and former CEO of the security contractor previously known as Blackwater, is reportedly offering to fly people out of Kabul for $6,500 each as the evacuation effort in Afghanistan ramps up ahead of President Biden’s Tuesday deadline. The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday that Prince has said for $6,500 each people can be safely transported into the Hamid Karzai International Airport and onto a chartered flight, with an extra fee for those who want to be brought to the airport but are trapped in their homes. Article here: linkI am interested in where that plane will land? Does the military know about this? Maybe trump's U.S. Space Force will swoop in and scoop them up. They look ready for a mission.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 25, 2021 17:50:56 GMT -5
I am interested in where that plane will land? Does the military know about this? The airport, yes, and they are quite capable. "The airport" - which airport? There a many thousands of airports. I know where he is picking people up - what i am asking is where is he going to take them.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 26, 2021 8:08:35 GMT -5
Its being made worse by an imminent terrorist threat from an Afghani group of ISIS...... (A suicide attack)
People are being told to stay at home.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 26, 2021 10:16:37 GMT -5
.... and they have done it. Pure Evil.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 26, 2021 10:53:29 GMT -5
Two bombings. One outside the airport and the other at a hotel.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 26, 2021 13:56:11 GMT -5
Ahh, now we get to the meat of Biden's actions. This blood is on the President's hands, as well as the democratic party who knew he should never had been on the party ticket. And no, I am not doing a happy dance today. If the Taliban is in charge of the checkpoints, they let the bomber(s) through.
Remember how many people said Trump would get people killed? Wrong Remember when people said Biden would lead us back to leading the world? Wrong The next 48 hours will be very important to the world, let alone for the USA. We will have to see........
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 26, 2021 14:05:19 GMT -5
I guess the 600k dead from Covid doesn’t coun?
We should have stayed in Afghanistan forever? If not, when would have been the right time?
Biden is still at least 500k ahead of trump by my count
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Post by Tiny on Aug 26, 2021 14:07:10 GMT -5
I am interested in where that plane will land? Does the military know about this? The airport, yes, and they are quite capable. Yep, Prince's people are trained military mercenaries. Anyone can hire them. Last I heard he was trying to work up a contract with China to train mercenaries for them...
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 26, 2021 14:12:37 GMT -5
I guess the 600k dead from Covid doesn’t coun? We should have stayed in Afghanistan forever? If not, when would have been the right time? Biden is still at least 500k ahead of trump by my count Nice deflection there. We are talking 12 dead, and more than a dz injured, as well as how many Afghans...... I am sure the parents and wives, maybe husbands of the dead and injured share your "But TRUMP Comeback" Wanna blame covid on someone start with WHO and China. And then Fauci, who Trump listened too in deeds, not his comments with Fauci which were at best problamatic.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 26, 2021 14:17:09 GMT -5
Get a clue. Trump was president. He owns his decisions. You were the one who claimed Biden had blood on his hands. But no concern about trumps.
If trump actually listened to Fauci, we wouldn’t be here. I doubt Fauci suggested ingesting bleach and putting uv light in our bodies. If Trump listened to Fauci, he would have supported masks.
China deserves blame, for sure. But trump said he trusted China. Major boo-boo don’t you think?
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