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Post by mary2029 on May 20, 2021 13:38:46 GMT -5
I know that the ongoing audit has been mentioned in various threads, but I think it deserves its own. I watched the GOP’s Arizona election audit. It was worse than you think. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/05/19/gop-arizona-election-audit/"...So I expected it to be unconventional. But it was so much worse than that. In more than a decade working on elections, audits and recounts across the country, I’ve never seen one this mismanaged." "I was stunned to see spinning conveyor wheels, whizzing hundreds of ballots past “counters,” who struggled to mark, on a tally sheet, each voter’s selection for the presidential and Senate races. They had only a few seconds to record what they saw. Occasionally, I saw a counter look up, realize they missed a ballot and then grab the wheel to stop it." "Speed doesn’t necessarily pose a problem if the audit has a process for catching and correcting mistakes. But it didn’t. Each table had three volunteers tallying the ballots, and their tally sheets were considered “done” as long as two of the three tallies matched, and the third was off by no more than two ballots." Maricopa County's $6M voting systems could be unusable after election auditwww.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/05/19/arizona-audit-dominion-machines-maricopa-county-unusable-now/5063300001/?gnt-cfr=1"The Arizona Senate gave contractors unfettered and unmonitored access to Maricopa County's vote-counting machines for an audit of the county's general election results, raising the question of whether the equipment is safe to use for future elections." "...For now, county officials are promising voters they will use only certified equipment for elections and not equipment "that could pose a risk to free and fair elections," said Megan Gilbertson, spokesperson for the county's Elections Department. Private companies and individuals having access to government-used voting machines are unprecedented in Arizona." Trump allies seek to import Arizona's election audit to Georgiawww.cnn.com/2021/05/19/politics/trump-allies-seek-more-audits/index.htmlGood job Republicans for trying to move past January 6th. You are going to need to move past November 3rd first.
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Post by pooks on May 20, 2021 14:44:13 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand about Arizona, which I have only been in once, is why are they doubling down on Trump. To an outside observer, me, he has been a disaster for the republican party of AR. The Arizona Republican party has lost 2 US senate seats and the presidential election, since 2016.
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Post by happyhoix on May 20, 2021 15:01:15 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand about Arizona, which I have only been in once, is why are they doubling down on Trump. To an outside observer, me, he has been a disaster for the republican party of AR. The Arizona Republican party has lost 2 US senate seats and the presidential election, since 2016. Well that’s the big question isn’t it. Lost the house, lost the senate, lost the popular vote in the first election, lost the second election. Even those that admire him admit he’s an asshole. I guess the good people of Arizona, like the hill people that live around me, only get their reality in Cheeto flavored bites from Fox New. Or Q.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 20, 2021 15:05:04 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand about Arizona, which I have only been in once, is why are they doubling down on Trump. To an outside observer, me, he has been a disaster for the republican party of AR. The Arizona Republican party has lost 2 US senate seats and the presidential election, since 2016. they lost 2 seats in 2016, as well. and, of course, they lost the House.
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Post by happyhoix on May 20, 2021 15:05:37 GMT -5
Even Arizona republicans are calling that ‘ninja recount’ a shit show.
They’re trying out all the Q conspiracy theories to see if they can make anything stick. They thought they proved, as Trump insisted, that all the Maracopa county ballets were stolen, then yesterday they found them.
That Ninja group is a brand new, Trump centric organization- zero experience in elections. What could possibly go wrong with them checking the ballots?
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2021 15:42:51 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand about Arizona, which I have only been in once, is why are they doubling down on Trump. To an outside observer, me, he has been a disaster for the republican party of AR. The Arizona Republican party has lost 2 US senate seats and the presidential election, since 2016. I understand now having survived four years of Trump and his supporters. They feel he should have won. They don't want to accept he did not. Facts don't matter them. They are entitled people who want to see the manager to demand the election be given to Trump.
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Post by mary2029 on May 20, 2021 15:51:36 GMT -5
I think that they are doing what McCarthy and McConnell are... fighting for their political careers. Biden only won by 10,457 votes. There have been over 11,200 new registered voters in Arizona since then ( link to AZ voter registration history by election). Five years ago, 35% of the registered voters were Republicans... which is the same percentage today. Five years ago, 30% of the registered voters were Democrats; today it is 32%. While the Republicans still hold the state senate and house, they are losing power in the state and need to do something. Unfortunately, they aren't trying to convert the 33% of the other voters or trying to increase the number of people who voted.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 20, 2021 15:55:08 GMT -5
that is precisely it.
the GOP has declining numbers. they only way forward for them, as far as they are concerned, is to decrease the numbers of Democrats. there are any number of ways of doing that. they could poison them, for example. but it is easier to just make voting more difficult. that will favor the GOP, since they are far more likely to vote as a general rule.
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2021 16:35:07 GMT -5
I think that they are doing what McCarthy and McConnell are... fighting for their political careers.
Biden only won by 10,457 votes. There have been over 11,200 new registered voters in Arizona since then ( link to AZ voter registration history by election). Five years ago, 35% of the registered voters were Republicans... which is the same percentage today. Five years ago, 30% of the registered voters were Democrats; today it is 32%. While the Republicans still hold the state senate and house, they are losing power in the state and need to do something. Unfortunately, they aren't trying to convert the 33% of the other voters or trying to increase the number of people who voted. I think some definitely are, but some are just lemmings trying to make it through to their next election and don't want to rock the Big Lie boat. McConnell at 79 is now older than the current life expectancy for the US. I personally would not be surprised if one day I looked on the internet and saw McConnell had died.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 20, 2021 17:32:37 GMT -5
Top Arizona elections official expresses 'grave concerns' voting equipment compromised by Cyber Ninjas, tells Maricopa County to toss voting machines used in GOP 'audit'Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs has told Maricopa County to decommission its voting machines. In a letter, Hobbs said she had "grave concerns" the equipment had been compromised by Cyber Ninjas. The private company took custody of the machines as part of a Republican-led "audit." Any voting machines that have come into the hands of people carrying out a Republican-led "audit" of the 2020 presidential contest are no longer safe to be used in future elections, Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs said in a letter Wednesday to officials in Maricopa County. Complete article here: link
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Post by Tiny on May 20, 2021 17:34:26 GMT -5
Who is footing the bill for all of this?
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Post by happyhoix on May 20, 2021 17:42:40 GMT -5
that is precisely it. the GOP has declining numbers. they only way forward for them, as far as they are concerned, is to decrease the numbers of Democrats. there are any number of ways of doing that. they could poison them, for example. but it is easier to just make voting more difficult. that will favor the GOP, since they are far more likely to vote as a general rule. Here’s a radical idea/ they could go back to their ‘big tent’ idea from multiple years ago and try to attract more independent and even dem voters. Just stick to improving the economy, infrastructure, and keeping the deficit low and stop waving the red meat issues for the MAGA heads - white power, anti immigration, anti LBGT, anti pro choice planks. You know - step away from crazy town and go back to the mainstream. That would really screw with the Dems.
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2021 17:45:14 GMT -5
Top Arizona elections official expresses 'grave concerns' voting equipment compromised by Cyber Ninjas, tells Maricopa County to toss voting machines used in GOP 'audit'Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs has told Maricopa County to decommission its voting machines. In a letter, Hobbs said she had "grave concerns" the equipment had been compromised by Cyber Ninjas. The private company took custody of the machines as part of a Republican-led "audit." Any voting machines that have come into the hands of people carrying out a Republican-led "audit" of the 2020 presidential contest are no longer safe to be used in future elections, Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs said in a letter Wednesday to officials in Maricopa County. Complete article here: link Having read the article, I agree. Maybe this is a Ivanka plot to get some of her China patented voting machines into various states. (How horrible for Arizona taxpayers no matter their politics. Money for new machines will come from them.)
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2021 17:46:51 GMT -5
that is precisely it. the GOP has declining numbers. they only way forward for them, as far as they are concerned, is to decrease the numbers of Democrats. there are any number of ways of doing that. they could poison them, for example. but it is easier to just make voting more difficult. that will favor the GOP, since they are far more likely to vote as a general rule. Here’s a radical idea/ they could go back to their ‘big tent’ idea from multiple years ago and try to attract more independent and even dem voters. Just stick to improving the economy, infrastructure, and keeping the deficit low and stop waving the red meat issues for the MAGA heads - white power, anti immigration, anti LBGT, anti pro choice planks. You know - step away from crazy town and go back to the mainstream. That would really screw with the Dems. I doubt it will happen anytime soon. That's a thinking solution. Not a feeling paranoid victim solution.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 20, 2021 17:49:49 GMT -5
Who is footing the bill for all of this? Anonymous donors. Link to article here: link
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Post by djAdvocate on May 20, 2021 18:59:25 GMT -5
that is precisely it. the GOP has declining numbers. they only way forward for them, as far as they are concerned, is to decrease the numbers of Democrats. there are any number of ways of doing that. they could poison them, for example. but it is easier to just make voting more difficult. that will favor the GOP, since they are far more likely to vote as a general rule. Here’s a radical idea/ they could go back to their ‘big tent’ idea from multiple years ago and try to attract more independent and even dem voters. Just stick to improving the economy, infrastructure, and keeping the deficit low and stop waving the red meat issues for the MAGA heads - white power, anti immigration, anti LBGT, anti pro choice planks. You know - step away from crazy town and go back to the mainstream. That would really screw with the Dems. because they have been holding a Purity Party since the term RINO was coined.
even D23 is using it now as if it is something to be proud of, rather than a death spiral.
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Post by happyhoix on May 21, 2021 7:50:52 GMT -5
According to talking heads on TV this am the ninjas are checking the ballot paper for bamboo because that would be proof China sent in a bunch of fake ballots because every one knows bamboo only grows in China.
Seriously.
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Post by Bob Ross on May 21, 2021 8:19:15 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand about Arizona, which I have only been in once, is why are they doubling down on Trump. To an outside observer, me, he has been a disaster for the republican party of AR. The Arizona Republican party has lost 2 US senate seats and the presidential election, since 2016. Trump brought in a lot of new GOP voters. He also scared a lot away. The ones he brought in are likely the type who support the GOP's current strategy. The ones he scared away are likely not. IMO, given that the GOP did quite well in down-ballot races in 2020, they are banking that they can do the same in 2022. Thus, they will continue down their current path until after the 2022 election. If they get soundly defeated, they will likely crawl back to their pre-2016 Conservative values. If they do well, they will press onwards with Trumpism (why wouldn't they?), and find a smoother, slicker more palatable Trump 2.0 to run in 2024. And they have history on their side, since the incumbent party has only gained seats in Congress in the first midterm election on three occasions since the turn of the 20th century. However, one could also argue that 2022 will be an anomaly since the GOP has gone so far off the rails, and we are now in uncharted waters. This is why the 2022 midterms are so important.
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Post by billisonboard on May 21, 2021 8:29:01 GMT -5
According to talking heads on TV this am the ninjas are checking the ballot paper for bamboo because that would be proof China sent in a bunch of fake ballots because every one knows bamboo only grows in China. Seriously. To note first off: If there were a subset of ballots which had a different material makeup than the rest of the ballots, it would be evidence that there was fraud unless there was a reasonable alternative explanation. If that subset had a disproportionate distribution of votes, it would point to who benefited from fraud. And that different material makeup would be significant evidence, not proof, in tracking who was involved. That being said: Would it be possible introduce into the process a significant number of additional ballots without leaving an obvious trace? Or would these be ballots which took the place of other ballots? And if the second, how would whoever was involved in the fraud know they were effectively altering the outcome of the election? Those are the questions that professionals in the field of election processing would (and I don't doubt did) look at and lacking evidence would dismiss any rumor of ballots from China. Cyber Ninjas would test the paper.
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Post by happyhoix on May 21, 2021 9:50:05 GMT -5
According to talking heads on TV this am the ninjas are checking the ballot paper for bamboo because that would be proof China sent in a bunch of fake ballots because every one knows bamboo only grows in China. Seriously. To note first off: If there were a subset of ballots which had a different material makeup than the rest of the ballots, it would be evidence that there was fraud unless there was a reasonable alternative explanation. If that subset had a disproportionate distribution of votes, it would point to who benefited from fraud. And that different material makeup would be significant evidence, not proof, in tracking who was involved. That being said: Would it be possible introduce into the process a significant number of additional ballots without leaving an obvious trace? Or would these be ballots which took the place of other ballots? And if the second, how would whoever was involved in the fraud know they were effectively altering the outcome of the election? Those are the questions that professionals in the field of election processing would (and I don't doubt did) look at and lacking evidence would dismiss any rumor of ballots from China. Cyber Ninjas would test the paper. Pretty sure they hired the Ninjas strictly because they would do none of the sensible checks you’re recommending. And also because if they do find someone fake ballots but they were Trump ballots, they’ll promptly forget they saw them. Arizona head of voting is saying Arizona will have to toss their voting machines because the Ninjas would not allow a state voting employee to be in the room while the ninjas examined the machines. Millions of bucks to replace them and fingers crossed they can get them before 2022.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 21, 2021 14:10:58 GMT -5
According to talking heads on TV this am the ninjas are checking the ballot paper for bamboo because that would be proof China sent in a bunch of fake ballots because every one knows bamboo only grows in China. Seriously. the paper market is global, as well.
in the US, there has been a concerted effort to convert agricultural waste into paper, as an example.
using trees for paper is wasteful.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 21, 2021 14:30:49 GMT -5
Who is footing the bill for all of this? Anonymous donors. Link to article here: linkI read Tiny's comment to mean who is going tp pay to replace the now unusable voting machines. If I were in charge in Mariposa county those cyberninjas would be facing one hell of a bill. And I would sue whoever hired them to do this without ensuring that everything would be in perfect and reliable condition after this "recount" as well. Including for all labor involved to get things back in order prior to the next election. If that means expedite fees will be charged - so be it
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Post by djAdvocate on May 21, 2021 14:54:07 GMT -5
that would send a message that the rich will appreciate.
do this shit, and you will end up paying cash for your efforts.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2021 15:09:41 GMT -5
To note first off: If there were a subset of ballots which had a different material makeup than the rest of the ballots, it would be evidence that there was fraud unless there was a reasonable alternative explanation. If that subset had a disproportionate distribution of votes, it would point to who benefited from fraud. And that different material makeup would be significant evidence, not proof, in tracking who was involved. That being said: Would it be possible introduce into the process a significant number of additional ballots without leaving an obvious trace? Or would these be ballots which took the place of other ballots? And if the second, how would whoever was involved in the fraud know they were effectively altering the outcome of the election? Those are the questions that professionals in the field of election processing would (and I don't doubt did) look at and lacking evidence would dismiss any rumor of ballots from China. Cyber Ninjas would test the paper. Pretty sure they hired the Ninjas strictly because they would do none of the sensible checks you’re recommending. And also because if they do find someone fake ballots but they were Trump ballots, they’ll promptly forget they saw them. Arizona head of voting is saying Arizona will have to toss their voting machines because the Ninjas would not allow a state voting employee to be in the room while the ninjas examined the machines. Millions of bucks to replace them and fingers crossed they can get them before 2022. I'm amazed that one of the conditions wasn't a certain amount of state employees in the room for the audit.
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Post by thyme4change on May 21, 2021 15:15:53 GMT -5
Such a catastrophe.
44th in education, but let's have a bunch of people come in and fuck up all our machines and then we can use tax money to replace them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2021 10:03:44 GMT -5
Hmmmmm..... Maricopa County election data sent to lab in MontanaMONTANA - A copy of election data from Maricopa County in Arizona has been sent to a lab in Montana, a senate liaison in Arizona confirmed. However, it wasn't confirmed what security measures are in place, what the lab in Montana will do with the data or how long it will have the copy. In Maricopa County, the 2020 election has already been audited multiple times, and no incorrections have been shown. Senate Republicans hired four firms to audit the county's election again, including Cyber Ninjas, which is a controversial company out of Florida. Maricopa County's voting systems will be examined, and auditors will also re-scan ballots, review voter registration records and hand count all 2.1 million ballots, KJZZ reported. The audit will cost $150,000 and it's unclear who's paying for the audit right now. Complete article here: link
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 17, 2021 14:18:44 GMT -5
According to talking heads on TV this am the ninjas are checking the ballot paper for bamboo because that would be proof China sent in a bunch of fake ballots because every one knows bamboo only grows in China. Seriously. Well then, I guess there are several acres here in Ga. that should be in China. This bamboo can take over areas in the blink of an eye. Would love to give some of these idiots a tour of this area!
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 17, 2021 14:54:38 GMT -5
A copy of election data ... has been sent to a lab ... I find this totally confusing. Here is why: 1) A lab is where you test something. 2) Data is something you analyze. 3) Making a copy of something and testing the copy would make suspect whether any conclusion applied to the original. Thoughts anyone?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2021 18:46:02 GMT -5
shut up, pencil neck!
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