Do People Just Not Want To Work Anymore?

[andi9899]

Jan 6, 2022 9:56:28 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Jan 4, 2022 15:24:29 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I'd go broke if I worked at that store. I'm only allowed to go twice a year.

I don't have a limit on how often I go in B&BW, but it probably is close to 2x a year.  I swear you walk into that store with a coupon intending to buy maybe 3 things and  spend $30 or so, and you walk out with a huge bag of stuff that you spent $60-100 on because you were stacking your coupons and getting such good "deals".

Jan 4, 2022 at 3:29pm formerroomate99 said:

According to Mike Rowe, the dirty jobs guy, there’s 10 million well-paying jobs out there that don’t require a four year degree, that aren’t being filled because our K through 12 system has spent the last 40 years pushing college and looking down on the trades. That problem is going to get exponentially worse when the baby boomers retire.



I can kind of see why the high schools with this route. A lot of the college prep classes don’t require much in the way of equipment and are taught by people who really can’t get a job any place else. There never has been a red hot job market for poets or historians Meanwhile, the trades classes are taught by people who have marketable skills, and they usually require a lot of very expensive equipment. And things like test scores and college admissions are very much driven by the college prep crowd.



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It was maybe 10 years ago when Governor Scott Walker Broke the teacher's Unions in WI.  I always thought people here were nuts b/c I never considered Teaching an Easy Job.  But people were acting like anyone could Teach and there was very little value the Teachers Brought to the Classroom.  Now we have had 10 years of minimal enrollment in Teaching Programs at the University, Salaries and benefits are much less and there is very little job security. Schools desperately need teachers, but no one is applying.

I have two Nephews that have Tech Ed Degrees and are in the Teaching Profession.  The oldest just turned 40 this year, and he has a Masters in Principal ship or something like that.  He wanted more $$ so he created a job for himself.  He created a program where he oversees student work-study classes and is the liaison between the schools and the  employers.  He works with Multiple School Districts and employers vary from Manufacturers, Retail like Walgreens and CVS Pharmacies (He was telling his Mom that his 17 year old sister should give up on the restaurant and try for a Pharmacy Tech- he said they are paying about 18/hour to HS students rn and the Trades like the Carpenter's union.  To make the trades a viable internship the schools have to work to make the set up accommodating to the Trades' needs.  I know there is one district in particular that their graduates are getting at least a year of apprenticeship credit upon graduating.  I think DN said the kids start at like 7 or 7:30 am with their Classwork for their work study class and then leave campus for their jobs.  DN is also running work study classes that kids can get all their "work" hours completed by working jobs during the summer.  DN says they used to stick the slackers and problem children in Tech Ed classes, but now Employers looking for tech ed grads have a lot of mechanized computerized equipment and they need people with some background in Computer Science/Engineering/Mechanics but not necessarily someone with a BS degree - so I guess if your view of Tech Ed is from 20 years ago or more, things have changed.  DN also says that shop classes are a very dangerous place from someone who is goofing around or doing drugs,  he has no tolerance for misbehavior.  He kicks kids out and allows very little deviation from classroom rules.  He apparently has had to "educate his administrators on why this is necessary-both due to the potential for student injury and he possibility that very expensive equipment might get damaged.

My DH has a teaching degree, he taught for maybe one year, then started selling Computers and then was recruited into selling Insurance.  He is very good at explaining his products to people.  DH says Teachers are very desirable employees.  He says it is all the Teaching Methods Classes that teachers take.  How to explain things to people and How to present the material/speak to a group.  My DN wife also has a teaching degree.  She also only taught for a few years, now she sells printing/advertising to businesses.  It appears that she is doing very well and has no thoughts of returning to the classroom.

Personally every time I look at this tread and see the title "Do People Just Not Want to Work Anymore? I always think yeah, I don't want to work anymore either.  I am going to be 58 this year.  I used to think I would work until 68 or maybe 65, lately I think I will be lucky to make it to 60.  Realistically I have to work at least 4-5 more years, unless we sell some assets or refinance them.  I think I calculated the mortgage on one investment property we have has about 3.5 years to go until it is completely paid off.  

It happens to me every. Freaking. Time. I go in there to get 3 things and I come out at least $100 later with a dozen body sprays. I use them on the daily, but do I really need that many?

[giramomma]

DD1 is planning to go into teaching, actually.

She's going to start in gen ed, and learn ASL.

Then she thought she'd get a masters in special ed.

I'm like, that's a great freaking plan.

With ASL skills in her back pocket, she'll have options beyond teaching.

The landscape with adult education is changing enough now that she won't be able to pivot from being an elementary school teacher to a corporate training type job unless she gets some more classes under her belt.. Unless there are 30 year olds in 4th grade, or 8 year olds in corporate america.

Andragogy as a learning theory is here to stay. And corporate trainer type jobs want folks who know about adult learning theory and best practices.

[nidena]

Teaching is not any place I would want to be.  I can facilitate a workshop or two but the demand to provide knowledge on a daily basis would exhaust me.

The reality is: I don't want to do ANYTHING full-time.  Thankfully, I don't have to.

And I can sell the shit out of some lotions and potions.  Bras, too, but I'm definitely not going back to work for VS where they think the alphabet ENDS at DDD when, in reality, that size is only fifth on a spectrum of 20+ cup sizes.  So, I'm waiting to hear from them and I'm waiting to hear from my local Y because I applied to work a shift or two there each week.  Wage (even the small one) + membership is a "yes" for me.

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Jan 6, 2022 11:49:49 GMT -5 giramomma said:

Andragogy as a learning theory is here to stay. And corporate trainer type jobs want folks who know about adult learning theory and best practices.

Ooh, I learned  a new word!  But isn't it sexist?  "Andros" is the Greek word for "man".  We need gynagogy, too. 
I guess I majored in the wrong STEM field- Math- but I did fine as an actuary although that required another 8 years of taking exams while I was working FT.  The WSJ recently published an article on the exam system.  Here's an article ABOUT the WSJ one since the WSJ one is behind a pay wall.


www.casact.org/article/wall-street-journal-publishes-article-actuarial-exam-process?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=[e-mail]&utm_content=WB%201%2E5%2E22&utm_campaign=WSJ%20Article%20About%20Actuarial%20Exam%20Process%2C%20Registration%20Open%20for%20Spring%20Sitting%2C%20Register%20for%20RPM

DS also has a Math degree but a mediocre GPA and he's not a good test-taker so I never would have suggested actuarial work.  He's doing very well as a claims adjuster.  That requires more abilities in negotiation and dealing with conflict (areas where he's very strong) than math skills but I'm happy he found his niche.

[azucena]

I swear some of the stupidity/low IQs that we've seen over politics and covid are carrying over into the workforce. Sales folks are rushing thru client changes while their manager is on medical leave recovering from cancer surgery. She's back in two weeks, and they can't wait. It's truly like teenagers while their parents are out of town. They've also decided that they can dictate changes amongst us actuaries and so far my clueless, dip shit boss can't be bothered to advocate for us. I just sent an email to grandboss to try to get her to weigh in before it's too late.

I keep asking what problem are you trying to solve with these changes and why do they need to be done this week. No one can articulate the problem, and they must hurry to get account plans finished. Um, account plans have never been finished before June in the last five years, so now we're going to push for some arbitrary deadline?  Their proposal is clearly lopsided and pushes all of the problem clients off on other people.  The loudest, pushiest, least productive sales guys seem to be in charge at the moment.

I can definitely see why people don't want to work anymore.  I actually want to work instead of dealing with stupidity and egos - a truly bad combination.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jan 6, 2022 15:22:52 GMT -5 azucena said:

I swear some of the stupidity/low IQs that we've seen over politics and covid are carrying over into the workforce. Sales folks are rushing thru client changes while their manager is on medical leave recovering from cancer surgery. She's back in two weeks, and they can't wait. It's truly like teenagers while their parents are out of town. They've also decided that they can dictate changes amongst us actuaries and so far my clueless, dip shit boss can't be bothered to advocate for us. I just sent an email to grandboss to try to get her to weigh in before it's too late.

I keep asking what problem are you trying to solve with these changes and why do they need to be done this week. No one can articulate the problem, and they must hurry to get account plans finished. Um, account plans have never been finished before June in the last five years, so now we're going to push for some arbitrary deadline?  Their proposal is clearly lopsided and pushes all of the problem clients off on other people.  The loudest, pushiest, least productive sales guys seem to be in charge at the moment.

I can definitely see why people don't want to work anymore.  I actually want to work instead of dealing with stupidity and egos - a truly bad combination.

I wonder if the sales people in your company are related to the ones in my company.   I will give my former supervisor and current supervisor credit though they did/do try to advocate for us and put up a fight but the higher higher ups cannot be bothered.   All they have to say is "it's for the customer" and they run right over us.

I cannot blame people for being sick of the "customer is always right" mantra.  

I really don't blame those who are working in positions where they have been yelled at, assaulted, coughed on and even shot by nasty customers.  2020/21 was awful I don't care how much lip service was put into appreciating the service industry.  

I watched a dude put a 17 year old in tears over the wrong McNugget sauce. 

Then another guy had a temper tantrum at the grocery store and loudly started to demand they open another lane.  He bragged to everyone about how well that worked last time.  Dude they are short staffed like everywhere else.  It's not like they can clone workers in the back.  Yeah it's frustrating we are all frustrated but don't abuse the workers they aren't in control of hiring.

McD's had a sign advertising $15/hr.  I told DH they could pay $30/hr and it's still not enough to put up with those levels of stupid/entitlement.   You should have the right to be treated like a human being at work.  I am glad people are realizing that and moving on.

[TheOtherMe]

17 year old great nephew is making $17 an hour in the kitchen of a fast food place.  Not a chain.  He specified no customer facing work and they have left him in the back.

Over Christmas break, he put in two 39 hour weeks.  He is not allowed to work 40 hours.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jan 6, 2022 16:04:42 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

17 year old great nephew is making $17 an hour in the kitchen of a fast food place.  Not a chain.  He specified no customer facing work and they have left him in the back.

Over Christmas break, he put in two 39 hour weeks.  He is not allowed to work 40 hours.

That was something DH and I were talking about.  We saw that a store in the mall was paying $19/hr.  Both of us were like "Yeah but how many hours?"   Paying $19/hr is great but if you are going to give someone only 15 hours a week it's in that person's best interest to go find a full time job that may pay less per hour but they are going to have more hours.

I've wondered how many other employers in the service industry are pulling that bait and switch.  We'll offer you higher pay but good luck getting any hours to actually benefit from it.

There is no way corporations have changed their stripes in a year, there is always a catch.  I am hoping employees continue to put the squeeze on companies so we can see real change, change like we haven't seen since the 1930s'.  Workers have to keep the momentum going.

[nidena]

I would happily work 15 hours for $19/hr but that's because I'm supplementing not living off of it. 

[Deleted]

Jan 6, 2022 16:14:26 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

That was something DH and I were talking about. We saw that a store in the mall was paying $19/hr. Both of us were like "Yeah but how many hours?"
Paying $19/hr is great but if you are going to give someone only 15 hours a week it's in that person's best interest to go find a full time job that may pay less per hour but they are going to have more hours.

I've wondered how many other employers in the service industry are pulling that bait and switch. We'll offer you higher pay but good luck getting any hours to actually benefit from it.

And how regular are those hours? It was an unhappy surprise to read how many of these jobs are "on call"- you might work Monday if they need you; you might not. Or you might show up and get sent home after 3 hours becaus ebusiness is slow that day. So, it's PT, clearly not enough to live on and you can't combine it with anther job because your available hours aren't predictable.

[Lizard Queen]

My first degree was a major psych. My first post grad job was in accounting. It's not impossible to do something with a bachelor's in psychology, but I couldn't find any kind of job I would have wanted to do with it, and the jobs available mostly paid shitty wages. I would have been better off going with the straightforward path of accounting major-->internships-->job. Again, it's not impossible, but it's harder, often requiring more education than a bachelor's. Plus, relocation from my hometown, which was a biggie for me.

It's so much easier with my finance degree, I can't even tell you.

[Lizard Queen]

Jan 5, 2022 14:25:51 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jan 5, 2022 13:58:58 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

You know that's not what that poster said at all, and if we're going to continue to jump down people's throats because we disagree on some things, we're gonna chase all the people with diverse viewpoints away.

That particular poster said that people teach because they couldn't get any other job. She has an ax to grind and a political viewpoint that led to the comment. Maybe she should stop insulting teachers.

She believes she lives in a conservative utopia, all blue states are hell holes, and that conservatives are better people. 

Exhibit A

[Deleted]

Jan 6, 2022 15:33:39 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jan 6, 2022 15:22:52 GMT -5 azucena said:

I swear some of the stupidity/low IQs that we've seen over politics and covid are carrying over into the workforce. Sales folks are rushing thru client changes while their manager is on medical leave recovering from cancer surgery. She's back in two weeks, and they can't wait. It's truly like teenagers while their parents are out of town. They've also decided that they can dictate changes amongst us actuaries and so far my clueless, dip shit boss can't be bothered to advocate for us. I just sent an email to grandboss to try to get her to weigh in before it's too late.

I keep asking what problem are you trying to solve with these changes and why do they need to be done this week. No one can articulate the problem, and they must hurry to get account plans finished. Um, account plans have never been finished before June in the last five years, so now we're going to push for some arbitrary deadline?  Their proposal is clearly lopsided and pushes all of the problem clients off on other people.  The loudest, pushiest, least productive sales guys seem to be in charge at the moment.

I can definitely see why people don't want to work anymore.  I actually want to work instead of dealing with stupidity and egos - a truly bad combination.

I wonder if the sales people in your company are related to the ones in my company.   I will give my former supervisor and current supervisor credit though they did/do try to advocate for us and put up a fight but the higher higher ups cannot be bothered.   All they have to say is "it's for the customer" and they run right over us.

I cannot blame people for being sick of the "customer is always right" mantra.  

I really don't blame those who are working in positions where they have been yelled at, assaulted, coughed on and even shot by nasty customers.  2020/21 was awful I don't care how much lip service was put into appreciating the service industry.  

I watched a dude put a 17 year old in tears over the wrong McNugget sauce. 

Then another guy had a temper tantrum at the grocery store and loudly started to demand they open another lane.  He bragged to everyone about how well that worked last time.  Dude they are short staffed like everywhere else.  It's not like they can clone workers in the back.  Yeah it's frustrating we are all frustrated but don't abuse the workers they aren't in control of hiring.

McD's had a sign advertising $15/hr.  I told DH they could pay $30/hr and it's still not enough to put up with those levels of stupid/entitlement.   You should have the right to be treated like a human being at work.  I am glad people are realizing that and moving on.

My first couple of jobs were working with the public, and I’ve tried to always be nice to people that work with the public ever since. “The public” sucked way back then, I’m sure it’s even worse now.

My most memorable, in a bad way, memory from those days was when I was a cashier at Target. The cashier next to me, something rang up for regular price that the customer said was on sale. We had a little leeway to just take the customer at their word if they said something rang up wrong, especially if it was just a few cents. But this customer stomped off and snatched the sign off the shelf, the kind of sign with a metal frame with paper with the sales info on it inside the frame. He came back and threw the sign at the cashier and it cut her in her face. A cut, as in bleeding. He was not apologetic at all. 

If it had been me, back then or even now, when I guess maybe I should be more mature…… but I’m not…… so let’s fight. I always readily admit that I’m a work in progress, as far as my faith, and as far as being who I want to be……. but I most definitely am not good at turning the other cheek. Don’t even really care that I’m not good at that, which imo, God should understand since he’s the One that made me, so He knows He gave me a vengeful nature.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

I would not do well working with the public these days, when so many people think it’s ok to act so ugly with people that are just trying to do their jobs. For any amount of money.

[TheOtherMe]

Jan 6, 2022 16:14:26 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jan 6, 2022 16:04:42 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

17 year old great nephew is making $17 an hour in the kitchen of a fast food place.  Not a chain.  He specified no customer facing work and they have left him in the back.

Over Christmas break, he put in two 39 hour weeks.  He is not allowed to work 40 hours.

That was something DH and I were talking about.  We saw that a store in the mall was paying $19/hr.  Both of us were like "Yeah but how many hours?"   Paying $19/hr is great but if you are going to give someone only 15 hours a week it's in that person's best interest to go find a full time job that may pay less per hour but they are going to have more hours.

I've wondered how many other employers in the service industry are pulling that bait and switch.  We'll offer you higher pay but good luck getting any hours to actually benefit from it.

There is no way corporations have changed their stripes in a year, there is always a catch.  I am hoping employees continue to put the squeeze on companies so we can see real change, change like we haven't seen since the 1930s'.  Workers have to keep the momentum going.

Kid is 17 and he is willing to work 39 hours a week every week.  His parents say he is working too many hours as his grades are suffering.  He says his grades don't matter.  They do not agree.

He also works on the farm for grandpa and has some hogs of his own.  He's a hard worker but he does need to finish school.

DN2 and DN3 told me he is only a hard worker if it's something he likes to do.

[Cookies Galore]

Jan 6, 2022 19:39:47 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

Jan 6, 2022 16:14:26 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

That was something DH and I were talking about.  We saw that a store in the mall was paying $19/hr.  Both of us were like "Yeah but how many hours?"   Paying $19/hr is great but if you are going to give someone only 15 hours a week it's in that person's best interest to go find a full time job that may pay less per hour but they are going to have more hours.

I've wondered how many other employers in the service industry are pulling that bait and switch.  We'll offer you higher pay but good luck getting any hours to actually benefit from it.

There is no way corporations have changed their stripes in a year, there is always a catch.  I am hoping employees continue to put the squeeze on companies so we can see real change, change like we haven't seen since the 1930s'.  Workers have to keep the momentum going.

Kid is 17 and he is willing to work 39 hours a week every week.  His parents say he is working too many hours as his grades are suffering.  He says his grades don't matter.  They do not agree.

He also works on the farm for grandpa and has some hogs of his own.  He's a hard worker but he does need to finish school.

DN2 and DN3 told me he is only a hard worker if it's something he likes to do.

Cripes, I'm not even willing to work 39 hours a week! Pry my 35 hour week from my cold, dead hands.

[tskeeter]

Jan 5, 2022 13:45:50 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Our public high school still has all the shop classes.  Construction, metal fabrication, woodworking, design engineering, automotive tech, small engines...

About 30% of graduates from there go into the trades, and they have separate tracts based on your career aspirations...trade school/technical college, 4 year college and selective 4 year college, but lets be real, while there's a lot of great jobs in the trades, there certainly are drawbacks to going that route too and reasons parents encourage college probably more than they should.

Interesting thing.  I was an accountant.  A lot of accounting work, and a lot of other white collar work, is being offshored.  That way manufacturing has been offshored over the last 25 years or so.  

What can’t be offshored?  A lot of the trades jobs.  It doesn’t make sense to ship your car to Asia to have a new water pump or shocks installed.  Your clogged toilet?  Got to be handled by someone who comes to your home.  Or the broken light switch.

Over the next few decades, we may find that certain blue collar jobs are more stable than some white collar jobs.

[Lizard Queen]

Trades are often hard on the body, though.
The current hot jobs have everything to do with supply and demand. If everyone decided to steer towards the trades, they'd be underpaid, too. I saw that a bit with IT, back when I took classes.

[Deleted]

Jan 7, 2022 1:52:52 GMT -5 tskeeter said:

]Interesting thing. I was an accountant. A lot of accounting work, and a lot of other white collar work, is being offshored. The way manufacturing has been offshored over the last 25 years or so.
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Over the next few decades, we may find that certain blue collar jobs are more stable than some white collar jobs.

In 2002 I joined a GE sub that allowed me to work from home in NJ before relocating a year later so DS could finish HS. They were every supportive of WFH even then, but they were also building up a giant Business Process Outsourcing office in suburb of Delhi. My boss used to joke, "If you can do your work from home, it can be outsourced". I got very involved in the work in India- training and mentoring people- but the vision turned out to be different than planned. My own company, when it separated from GE, chose to establish a center in Bangalore in which the workers were company employees (in GE's model they were employees of the consulting firm so you had little control).

I'm still on LinkedIn with many and FB with a few and they've gone far, some with the company and some elsewhere. One, a really great guy I hired to manage the team is now a Senior VP (a rank I ever attained) in the Singapore office.

You did need to be aware of the skills that are valuable on the ground in the high-cost country offices and make sure you develop them.  I can't point to incidences where people lost their jobs as a direct result of being replaced by someone in India but I certainly say that there were fewer jobs in other countries because there were more people in India doing those jobs.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jan 7, 2022 7:48:33 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Trades are often hard on the body, though.
The current hot jobs have everything to do with supply and demand. If everyone decided to steer towards the trades, they'd be underpaid, too. I saw that a bit with IT, back when I took classes.

We saw that in nursing here. We have at least three nursing colleges and they were churning out enough people the hospitals decided to make the majority of jobs "on call".  Plus it was cheaper to have a rotating pool of on call nurses for hospitals than full time staff.  Only the specialized nurses were getting big bucks and hiring bonuses and full time non shitty shifts.

COVID has changed that. Now they are facing a nursing shortage because people stopped going into it due to the level of competition involved in getting into school and then actually getting a job that gives you enough hours to pay off the loans for the BSN.

So if someone wanted to get into nursing now would be the time.

[wvugurl26]

My mom is an OR nurse and they have more traveling nurses now than employees. Some retired and some quit over the vaccine mandate and went across the river to another hospital that didn't have a mandate. Then CMS came down with a mandate so that didn't work out well.

[buystoys]

Jan 7, 2022 8:56:07 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jan 7, 2022 7:48:33 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Trades are often hard on the body, though.
The current hot jobs have everything to do with supply and demand. If everyone decided to steer towards the trades, they'd be underpaid, too. I saw that a bit with IT, back when I took classes.

We saw that in nursing here. We have at least three nursing colleges and they were churning out enough people the hospitals decided to make the majority of jobs "on call".  Plus it was cheaper to have a rotating pool of on call nurses for hospitals than full time staff.  Only the specialized nurses were getting big bucks and hiring bonuses and full time non shitty shifts.

COVID has changed that. Now they are facing a nursing shortage because people stopped going into it due to the level of competition involved in getting into school and then actually getting a job that gives you enough hours to pay off the loans for the BSN.

So if someone wanted to get into nursing now would be the time.

My niece and her husband are both in nursing school.  She currently works retail and he's an Emergency Services medic.  I expect they'll both find good jobs after graduating.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Jan 7, 2022 7:48:33 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Trades are often hard on the body, though.
The current hot jobs have everything to do with supply and demand. If everyone decided to steer towards the trades, they'd be underpaid, too. I saw that a bit with IT, back when I took classes.

There's a lot of high paid, white collar people on this board saying more people should work the trades.

Who wants to climb electrical poles in thunderstorms or crawling through bat infested blown-in insulation in people's attics when it's 100 degrees to run electrical when there are 6 figure work from home jobs?  I mean, I'm sure there are people who would actually prefer that kind of work, but when choosing a career  it's hard to get past the allure of physically easy, and high paying. Most of the people working production here encourage their kids to go to school to be the IT guy or the engineer or the account manager instead of what they do.  Those are the folks with the nice cars in the parking that come and go as they please and aren't bound to the clock with someone watching over them all day.

[Lizard Queen]

Jan 7, 2022 8:56:07 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jan 7, 2022 7:48:33 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Trades are often hard on the body, though.
The current hot jobs have everything to do with supply and demand. If everyone decided to steer towards the trades, they'd be underpaid, too. I saw that a bit with IT, back when I took classes.

We saw that in nursing here. We have at least three nursing colleges and they were churning out enough people the hospitals decided to make the majority of jobs "on call".  Plus it was cheaper to have a rotating pool of on call nurses for hospitals than full time staff.  Only the specialized nurses were getting big bucks and hiring bonuses and full time non shitty shifts.

COVID has changed that. Now they are facing a nursing shortage because people stopped going into it due to the level of competition involved in getting into school and then actually getting a job that gives you enough hours to pay off the loans for the BSN.

So if someone wanted to get into nursing now would be the time.

My exSIL is currently making $5000/week as a traveling surgical tech down in Florida.  I don't get it. Surgical tech is not patient care. They are there for the surgeon--get supplies ready and hand them off,  hold things, keep track of things in surgery. 

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Jan 7, 2022 9:12:22 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Who wants to climb electrical poles in thunderstorms or crawling through bat infested blown-in insulation in people's attics when it's 100 degrees to run electrical when there are 6 figure work from home jobs? I mean, I'm sure there are people who would actually prefer that kind of work, but when choosing a career it's hard to get past the allure of physically easy, and high paying.

I know- right now I can't imagine having an outdoor job here in Kansas City- even though the HVAC repair guys, for example, might be indoors doing repairs they're probably still entering houses where the furnace stopped and it's 50 degrees and they have to go into the basement or the attic. I'm glad there are people willing to do those jobs.

[wvugurl26]

Jan 7, 2022 9:43:57 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Jan 7, 2022 8:56:07 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

We saw that in nursing here. We have at least three nursing colleges and they were churning out enough people the hospitals decided to make the majority of jobs "on call".  Plus it was cheaper to have a rotating pool of on call nurses for hospitals than full time staff.  Only the specialized nurses were getting big bucks and hiring bonuses and full time non shitty shifts.

COVID has changed that. Now they are facing a nursing shortage because people stopped going into it due to the level of competition involved in getting into school and then actually getting a job that gives you enough hours to pay off the loans for the BSN.

So if someone wanted to get into nursing now would be the time.

My exSIL is currently making $5000/week as a traveling surgical tech down in Florida.  I don't get it. Surgical tech is not patient care. They are there for the surgeon--get supplies ready and hand them off,  hold things, keep track of things in surgery. 

My mom's OR is full of travelers. I think they probably have to offer lucrative wages to get them and when you are short staffed what else can you do?

[minnesotapaintlady]

Jan 7, 2022 9:52:30 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Jan 7, 2022 9:12:22 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Who wants to climb electrical poles in thunderstorms or crawling through bat infested blown-in insulation in people's attics when it's 100 degrees to run electrical when there are 6 figure work from home jobs? I mean, I'm sure there are people who would actually prefer that kind of work, but when choosing a career it's hard to get past the allure of physically easy, and high paying.

I know- right now I can't imagine having an outdoor job here in Kansas City- even though the HVAC repair guys, for example, might be indoors doing repairs they're probably still entering houses where the furnace stopped and it's 50 degrees and they have to go into the basement or the attic. I'm glad there are people willing to do those jobs.

When my furnace quit last month, the guy that came to fix it had to be in his late 60's.  I felt bad for him because he was obviously struggling with a lot of the physical stuff (like carrying the new heat exchanger down the steps and getting it wrangled into the furnace).  I actually helped him some.  Partially because I felt bad, and partially because I wanted it done ASAP at $90/hour or whatever they charged for labor.

I have a lot of family members in the trades and they are the most handy, useful people around, but their bodies take a beating.

[TheOtherMe]

Jan 7, 2022 9:43:57 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Jan 7, 2022 8:56:07 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

We saw that in nursing here. We have at least three nursing colleges and they were churning out enough people the hospitals decided to make the majority of jobs "on call".  Plus it was cheaper to have a rotating pool of on call nurses for hospitals than full time staff.  Only the specialized nurses were getting big bucks and hiring bonuses and full time non shitty shifts.

COVID has changed that. Now they are facing a nursing shortage because people stopped going into it due to the level of competition involved in getting into school and then actually getting a job that gives you enough hours to pay off the loans for the BSN.

So if someone wanted to get into nursing now would be the time.

My exSIL is currently making $5000/week as a traveling surgical tech down in Florida.  I don't get it. Surgical tech is not patient care. They are there for the surgeon--get supplies ready and hand them off,  hold things, keep track of things in surgery. 

Surgical tech is patient care when you are the one who breaks noses.   

[TheOtherMe]

Last night I lost power for about an hour.  It was probably at least -10 because it's up to -8 currently.

In an hour and 15 minutes, power returned.  I can't imagine being out there in that kind of cold in the dark fixing that for who knows how many people.

Temperature dropped 2 degrees in here in an hour.  I was not looking forward to spending the entire night without power.

[TheOtherMe]

Jan 6, 2022 22:14:21 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Jan 6, 2022 19:39:47 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

Kid is 17 and he is willing to work 39 hours a week every week.  His parents say he is working too many hours as his grades are suffering.  He says his grades don't matter.  They do not agree.

He also works on the farm for grandpa and has some hogs of his own.  He's a hard worker but he does need to finish school.

DN2 and DN3 told me he is only a hard worker if it's something he likes to do.

Cripes, I'm not even willing to work 39 hours a week! Pry my 35 hour week from my cold, dead hands.

Same but we are no longer 17 and think that working gets us out of homework.

[Lizard Queen]

Jan 7, 2022 10:25:00 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

Jan 7, 2022 9:43:57 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

My exSIL is currently making $5000/week as a traveling surgical tech down in Florida.  I don't get it. Surgical tech is not patient care. They are there for the surgeon--get supplies ready and hand them off,  hold things, keep track of things in surgery. 

Surgical tech is patient care when you are the one who breaks noses.   

Huh? I don't get it.