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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2021 14:25:23 GMT -5
There were only a couple of people by that door, courtesy of Bills video. One unarmed woman at the door gets shot with a gun. You're ok with this ? I'm not, she should of been tasered. Its too bad the cop didn't have the video then. Pretty easy to armchair quarterback when you're not in the thick of it and have access to all the information that was gathered afterward. Yes, I am ok with her getting shot. I've consistently said that this Capitol attack was an act of war, and those idiots were lucky more of them weren't shot. A mob attacks the seat of government in any other country, what do you think is going to happen? I saw the video of her being shot. Just like I say with every video where someone gets shot because they didn't stop when told to stop, it was a good shot. The best way not to get shot by a cop is to fucking listen when told to stop, stand down, drop the weapon, drop to the floor, etc. Especially when the building is under siege.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2021 14:35:24 GMT -5
I saw the video of her being shot. Just like I say with every video where someone gets shot because they didn't stop when told to stop, it was a good shot. The best way not to get shot by a cop is to fucking listen when told to stop, stand down, drop the weapon, drop to the floor, etc. Especially when the building is under siege. She was unarmed. She broke through a window in a building that was under attack. The cops were yelling at her to get back, stand down. I'm going from memory because the video I saw was taken down. There was zero way for those cops to know if she was armed or not. We don't get to play Monday morning quarterback and say "well she didn't have a gun". I would vote not-guilty 100%. I like to think I'm pretty consistent with my views with cop shootings. I don't care if the idiot is white, black, asian, etc. She would be alive today if she stood down like instructed. It's sad that a young woman is dead but she caused her death.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2021 14:36:50 GMT -5
A) This was absolutely not peaceful compared to the BLM protests. And B) like 30 people were shot and killed while protesting with BLM. With hundreds more injured. And each one of them was just one person. What harm could one person do? She was shot through a glass door. Going by the video, few people were at the door, only one or two voices can be heard. If they did manage to break enough of the glass, they could of been tasered. Don't think it was right to shoot though the door at people that could be plainly seen. Not true. The window was broken and she was climbing through. It was a window not a door. When lives are at risk, even if it is the cops life, a taser is not an acceptable choice. Shooting at a leg is not an acceptable choice. You shoot for center of mass to eliminate any threat.
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Post by swamp on May 6, 2021 14:40:12 GMT -5
It was one of many persons involved in a violent invasion of the US Capital. It was a peaceful protest by BLM standards. Killed for crawling through a window ? What about a tazer ? You’re an idiot.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 6, 2021 14:56:47 GMT -5
Why not both
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 6, 2021 14:59:24 GMT -5
I see D is back from his week away and making up for lost time.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 6, 2021 15:03:20 GMT -5
And I can claim to have a PhD in Psychology. I take back what I said above. You are truly an ass. You continue to needle me about not being a physician. I have never questioned your credentials. But you appear to dislike me for some reason. Care to explain why?
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 6, 2021 15:04:26 GMT -5
Not true. The window was broken and she was climbing through. It was a window not a door. When lives are at risk, even if it is the cops life, a taser is not an acceptable choice. Shooting at a leg is not an acceptable choice. You shoot for center of mass to eliminate any threat. The crawling through was my original take also, but other stories have been told on what was happening. I was using Bills recently posted video as the accepted one for now. I'm more interested in the reversal of position, on use of force, from many posters. The police go from systemic racist killer monsters, to justified homicide in one fell political swoop. Sadly, I probably would of hesitated if I was that cop in the same situation, and possibly gotten killed because I didn't see a weapon. Definitely trolling.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2021 15:05:46 GMT -5
Not true. The window was broken and she was climbing through. It was a window not a door. When lives are at risk, even if it is the cops life, a taser is not an acceptable choice. Shooting at a leg is not an acceptable choice. You shoot for center of mass to eliminate any threat. The crawling through was my original take also, but other stories have been told on what was happening. I was using Bills recently posted video as the accepted one for now. I'm more interested in the reversal of position, on use of force, from many posters. The police go from systemic racist killer monsters, to justified homicide in one fell political swoop. Sadly, I probably would of hesitated if I was that cop in the same situation, and possibly gotten killed because I didn't see a weapon. I can't speak for others but I try to be consistent with my views. I truly believe most cops are good and are doing the best they can. FFS, a black girl is literally in the process of trying to stab someone and cries of "another black killing by a bad cop" are heard 'round the world. What is right or wrong doesn't change in my eyes based on the race of the parties involved. I will never know what it is like to go to work each day, knowing that my life is on the line. I have no idea why anyone even wants to be a cop in today's world. They are the most hated profession, but the one that everyone calls when they are in trouble.
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2021 15:09:02 GMT -5
Not true. The window was broken and she was climbing through. It was a window not a door. When lives are at risk, even if it is the cops life, a taser is not an acceptable choice. Shooting at a leg is not an acceptable choice. You shoot for center of mass to eliminate any threat. The crawling through was my original take also, but other stories have been told on what was happening. I was using Bills recently posted video as the accepted one for now. I'm more interested in the reversal of position, on use of force, from many posters. The police go from systemic racist killer monsters, to justified homicide in one fell political swoop. Sadly, I probably would of hesitated if I was that cop in the same situation, and possibly gotten killed because I didn't see a weapon. The shooting of a person actively engaging in violent invasion of the US Capital is a significantly different situation than kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed unconscious person. The police had clearly established a boundary they were not going to allow to be breached. The choice to aggressively attempt to do so had a consequence.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2021 15:13:07 GMT -5
The crawling through was my original take also, but other stories have been told on what was happening. I was using Bills recently posted video as the accepted one for now. I'm more interested in the reversal of position, on use of force, from many posters. The police go from systemic racist killer monsters, to justified homicide in one fell political swoop. Sadly, I probably would of hesitated if I was that cop in the same situation, and possibly gotten killed because I didn't see a weapon. The shooting of a person actively engaging in violent invasion of the US Capital is a significantly different situation than kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed unconscious person. The police had clearly established a boundary they were not going to allow to be breached. The choice to aggressively attempt to do so had a consequence. I don't think many people agreed with kneeling on George Floyd's neck like that. But now EVERY shooting is deemed "bad shooting by racist cop". I am assuming that is what diogenes is getting at. It's to the point, I have no idea why any white person would want to be a cop in an area that wasn't 100% white. Lord knows I wouldn't. I truly believe there should only be black cops in black areas. Only way to stop claiming racism every time there is a shooting.
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2021 15:22:34 GMT -5
The shooting of a person actively engaging in violent invasion of the US Capital is a significantly different situation than kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed unconscious person. The police had clearly established a boundary they were not going to allow to be breached. The choice to aggressively attempt to do so had a consequence. I don't think many people agreed with kneeling on George Floyd's neck like that. But now EVERY shooting is deemed "bad shooting by racist cop". I am assuming that is what diogenes is getting at. It's to the point, I have no idea why any white person would want to be a cop in an area that wasn't 100% white. Lord knows I wouldn't. I truly believe there should only be black cops in black areas. Only way to stop claiming racism every time there is a shooting. And should blacks not be allowed to go to white areas?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 6, 2021 15:25:30 GMT -5
And I can claim to have a PhD in Psychology. I take back what I said above. You are truly an ass. You continue to needle me about not being a physician. I have never questioned your credentials. But you appear to dislike me for some reason. Care to explain why? Reply #123 posted 21 minutes ago QuotelikePost OptionsPost by pulmonarymd on 21 minutes ago Why not both --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You use troll, I use credentials. Doesn't really mean that much. Both things I saying happens to be true. You could change your troll like behavior. You just choose not to.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 6, 2021 15:28:45 GMT -5
Listen, we all know it is an act. When you reply to Miss Tequila, you act like a normal person. As I said, a choice
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2021 15:31:05 GMT -5
I don't think many people agreed with kneeling on George Floyd's neck like that. But now EVERY shooting is deemed "bad shooting by racist cop". I am assuming that is what diogenes is getting at. It's to the point, I have no idea why any white person would want to be a cop in an area that wasn't 100% white. Lord knows I wouldn't. I truly believe there should only be black cops in black areas. Only way to stop claiming racism every time there is a shooting. And should blacks not be allowed to go to white areas? No one cares if a black cop shoots a white person
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Post by thyme4change on May 6, 2021 15:54:14 GMT -5
A) This was absolutely not peaceful compared to the BLM protests. And B) like 30 people were shot and killed while protesting with BLM. With hundreds more injured. And each one of them was just one person. What harm could one person do? She was shot through a glass door. Going by the video, few people were at the door, only one or two voices can be heard. If they did manage to break enough of the glass, they could of been tasered. Don't think it was right to shoot though the door at people that could be plainly seen. The video I saw clearly showed: - The window was completely busted. Babbitt pushes it open like you would a door, leaving an open hole in the door, which happened to be large enough for humans to climb through. She was not "behind a door" she was through the door and likely physically able to jump the barricade - pretty easily. - I can clearly count 15 rioters between the doors and the guy filming (from our left). When they panned back, you can see additional people in the back (behind the stairs). The video shot from right next to the stairs, there is a smaller view, but at least 10 obvious rioters. In both videos, there is way more than 10 or 20 people yelling, and it sounds like it is coming from behind the camera, as well as some voices are clearly further away than others. - There were 4 big windows, all of which were smashed and the minute the police moved away, at least 6 guys started in on those doors determined to open them. Babbitt was able to push the glass open, as if it was on a hinge. Another window looked very loose, as if it could be pushed open or removed completely. - You can hear more than a handful of people screaming. They were specifically saying "Fuck the blue" so, it is pretty safe bet they weren't peacefully obeying insteuctions. One guy said to the police "I don't want to hurt you, but I..." the noise overtakes him. Maybe he never finished his thought at all. But, few people would guess his next words would be "but I would like to buy you a sandwich." - The guy taking the video says something like 'There are so many people and they are pushing to get up here' indicating he could see more people in the direct area and pushing to get to the doors, or there were more outside the area they were in, but would be in soon. - There was 3 or 4 voices clearly yelling "Bust it down". Believing the crowd's goal was to open that door so all of them could go through is reasonable. She was not a lone invader, innocently standing behind a door.
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Post by dondub on May 6, 2021 15:55:31 GMT -5
And should blacks not be allowed to go to white areas? No one cares if a black cop shoots a white person No one?
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2021 15:58:17 GMT -5
She was shot through a glass door. Going by the video, few people were at the door, only one or two voices can be heard. If they did manage to break enough of the glass, they could of been tasered. Don't think it was right to shoot though the door at people that could be plainly seen. The video I saw clearly showed: - The window was completely busted. Babbitt pushes it open like you would a door, leaving an open hole in the door, which happened to be large enough for humans to climb through. She was not "behind a door" she was through the door and likely physically able to jump the barricade - pretty easily. - I can clearly count 15 rioters between the doors and the guy filming (from our left). When they panned back, you can see additional people in the back (behind the stairs). The video shot from right next to the stairs, there is a smaller view, but at least 10 obvious rioters. In both videos, there is way more than 10 or 20 people yelling, and it sounds like it is coming from behind the camera, as well as some voices are clearly further away than others. - There were 4 big windows, all of which were smashed and the minute the police moved away, at least 6 guys started in on those doors determined to open them. Babbitt was able to push the glass open, as if it was on a hinge. Another window looked very loose, as if it could be pushed open or removed completely. - You can hear more than a handful of people screaming. They were specifically saying "Fuck the blue" so, it is pretty safe bet they weren't peacefully obeying insteuctions. One guy said to the police "I don't want to hurt you, but I..." the noise overtakes him. Maybe he never finished his thought at all. But, few people would guess his next words would be "but I would like to buy you a sandwich." - The guy taking the video says something like 'There are so many people and they are pushing to get up here' indicating he could see more people in the direct area and pushing to get to the doors, or there were more outside the area they were in, but would be in soon. - There was 3 or 4 voices clearly yelling "Bust it down". Believing the crowd's goal was to open that door so all of them could go through is reasonable. She was not a lone invader, innocently standing behind a door. Yes, that sounds like the video I saw. It was chaotic, people were pushing, screaming and if I were on the other side of that door, I would have pissed myself. I do think she went to go through the window because she was smaller than the guys. I could be remembering incorrectly, but I seem the remember the window being smaller. But once one breeched it, it was a matter of seconds before more got through. I honestly don’t know what she thought she was going to accomplish if she did get through and not get killed. I watched it several times and just couldn’t figure out the thought process
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2021 15:58:50 GMT -5
No one cares if a black cop shoots a white person No one? Well, I care. So I guess it’s not no one.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2021 17:01:48 GMT -5
It was a peaceful protest by BLM standards. Killed for crawling through a window ? What about a tazer ? You’re an idiot. truly. thought experiment time:
if some angry zombie were to break your front door and attempt to crawl through would you:
a) greet them with hugs and kisses b) tell them firmy to fuck off and tazer them (assuming you had one) c) unload your Luger into them until they spewed blood.
take your time answering.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2021 17:04:11 GMT -5
And I can claim to have a PhD in Psychology. I take back what I said above. You are truly an ass. You continue to needle me about not being a physician. I have never questioned your credentials. But you appear to dislike me for some reason. Care to explain why? because you criticize Trump and his Covid19 policie(s), or lack thereof.
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2021 17:05:02 GMT -5
And should blacks not be allowed to go to white areas? No one cares if a black cop shoots a white person Whoops. Sorry, wasn't clear. My fault. You indicate that to prevent a white cop from being in a position of shooting a black person and being accused of racism, there sould only be black cops in black areas. Since you indicate there are black areas, I have to assume there are white areas, which I guess would have at least some white cops since you didn't indicate only blacks would be employed as police officers. It would then follow that to prevent any white cop/black person confrontation, it would be necessary that blacks not be in white areas.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2021 17:07:40 GMT -5
And should blacks not be allowed to go to white areas? No one cares if a black cop shoots a white person yfk, right? a black person shooting ANY white person gets the heaviest measure of law. if you seriously don't know or understand that, you really need to get informed.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 17:18:46 GMT -5
I don’t care at all that whats-her-name died while participating in that shit. I wouldn’t care at all if every last one of them had been picked off one by one for continuing to advance after breaching the protections around the perimeter. To be clear, “picked off” means shot and/or killed. I do care about the officer that died. And I care about the officers that tried to do their jobs that day, with no support or backup. I imagine it had to be very scary to have been in those situations and so outnumbered, so I also care about any lingering effects that day may have caused them. I KNOW, if there was even a tiny bit of concern that me and people like me even thought about doing something like those fools did that day, the National Guard, Army, Navy and Marines and the freaking Coast Guard just for good measure, would’ve been posted up as a precaution. And every last one of us would’ve been wounded or dead before we even got close to being inside the building. I believe that with everything I have in me. I mean, Black folks get killed for much less, shit like going for a run, or going to buy Skittles, or illegal lane changes, or sitting at home eating ice cream, or shiiiiit, fucking sleeping in their own bed at night…….. so yeah. And that is why I have not one piece of a fuck to give about her getting shot and killed under those circumstances and I wouldn’t have one if more had been killed. Even the rowdiest person I know, knows not to do that kind of stupid shit. I still can’t figure out why they thought nothing would happen, and I still can’t figure out why nothing much happened. But I have an idea on both.
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I don’t care at all that whats-her-name died while participating in that shit. I wouldn’t care at all if every last one of them had been picked off one by one for continuing to advance after breaching the protections around the perimeter. To be clear, “picked off” means shot and/or killed. I do care about the officer that died. And I care about the officers that tried to do their jobs that day, with no support or backup. I imagine it had to be very scary to have been in those situations and so outnumbered, so I also care about any lingering effects that day may have caused them. I KNOW, if there was even a tiny bit of concern that me and people like me even thought about doing something like those fools did that day, the National Guard, Army, Navy and Marines and the freaking Coast Guard just for good measure, would’ve been posted up as a precaution. And every last one of us would’ve been wounded or dead before we even got close to being inside the building. I believe that with everything I have in me. I mean, Black folks get killed for much less, shit like going for a run, or going to buy Skittles, or illegal lane changes, or sitting at home eating ice cream, or shiiiiit, fucking sleeping in their own bed at night…….. so yeah. And that is why I have not one piece of a fuck to give about her getting shot and killed under those circumstances and I wouldn’t have one if more had been killed. Even the rowdiest person I know, knows not to do that kind of stupid shit. I still can’t figure out why they thought nothing would happen, and I still can’t figure out why nothing much happened. But I have an idea on both. Pink, there is absolutely no way for me to understand what it FEELS like to be in your position. Just want to reiterate that I agree with you 100%, and stand with you (metaphorically of course, geographically I'm far away). What has been happening to black people at the hands of law enforcement is NOT OKAY. The kid gloves with which these white terrorists were treated is NOT OKAY. Any troll on this thread trying to pretend that this was a peaceful protest compared to BLM is also NOT OKAY. They could have shot her in the face 10 more times, and every fool behind her, and I would have slept like a baby without a single question of whether it's justified. Not a single fuck to give. Quite honestly, I'm a little disappointed they didn't shoot more of them.
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Post by hurley1980 on May 6, 2021 17:37:31 GMT -5
I don’t care at all that whats-her-name died while participating in that shit. I wouldn’t care at all if every last one of them had been picked off one by one for continuing to advance after breaching the protections around the perimeter. To be clear, “picked off” means shot and/or killed. I do care about the officer that died. And I care about the officers that tried to do their jobs that day, with no support or backup. I imagine it had to be very scary to have been in those situations and so outnumbered, so I also care about any lingering effects that day may have caused them. I KNOW, if there was even a tiny bit of concern that me and people like me even thought about doing something like those fools did that day, the National Guard, Army, Navy and Marines and the freaking Coast Guard just for good measure, would’ve been posted up as a precaution. And every last one of us would’ve been wounded or dead before we even got close to being inside the building. I believe that with everything I have in me. I mean, Black folks get killed for much less, shit like going for a run, or going to buy Skittles, or illegal lane changes, or sitting at home eating ice cream, or shiiiiit, fucking sleeping in their own bed at night…….. so yeah. And that is why I have not one piece of a fuck to give about her getting shot and killed under those circumstances and I wouldn’t have one if more had been killed. Even the rowdiest person I know, knows not to do that kind of stupid shit. I still can’t figure out why they thought nothing would happen, and I still can’t figure out why nothing much happened. But I have an idea on both. The reason nothing much happened is because nothing much happened, except for a few isolated incidents. The bulk of the protesters wandered around doing little. There would of been much more video otherwise. Read the charges list for all the arrested, not much of anything. Remember the oath keeper flips and pleads thread ? "We're gonna get'em now" Lots happened with that too, as usual. Nothing. Officers were killed and injured!!!! But keep saying nothing happened if it makes you feel better....
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Post by hurley1980 on May 6, 2021 17:39:27 GMT -5
This is not NOTHING happened!!!
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Post by imawino on May 6, 2021 17:40:35 GMT -5
The reason nothing much happened is because nothing much happened, except for a few isolated incidents. The bulk of the protesters wandered around doing little. There would of been much more video otherwise. Read the charges list for all the arrested, not much of anything. Remember the oath keeper flips and pleads thread ? "We're gonna get'em now" Lots happened with that too, as usual. Nothing. Officers were killed and injured!!!! But keep saying nothing happened if it makes you feel better.... Those are "isolated incidents". A black kid playing with a toy gun? Whole different story. Shoulda known better....got what's coming to him....didn't put it down in the 1.2 seconds between when the cop shouted at him and shot him....whatever. Same old actors, same old story.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 17:40:44 GMT -5
I don’t care at all that whats-her-name died while participating in that shit. I wouldn’t care at all if every last one of them had been picked off one by one for continuing to advance after breaching the protections around the perimeter. To be clear, “picked off” means shot and/or killed. I do care about the officer that died. And I care about the officers that tried to do their jobs that day, with no support or backup. I imagine it had to be very scary to have been in those situations and so outnumbered, so I also care about any lingering effects that day may have caused them. I KNOW, if there was even a tiny bit of concern that me and people like me even thought about doing something like those fools did that day, the National Guard, Army, Navy and Marines and the freaking Coast Guard just for good measure, would’ve been posted up as a precaution. And every last one of us would’ve been wounded or dead before we even got close to being inside the building. I believe that with everything I have in me. I mean, Black folks get killed for much less, shit like going for a run, or going to buy Skittles, or illegal lane changes, or sitting at home eating ice cream, or shiiiiit, fucking sleeping in their own bed at night…….. so yeah. And that is why I have not one piece of a fuck to give about her getting shot and killed under those circumstances and I wouldn’t have one if more had been killed. Even the rowdiest person I know, knows not to do that kind of stupid shit. I still can’t figure out why they thought nothing would happen, and I still can’t figure out why nothing much happened. But I have an idea on both. The reason nothing much happened is because nothing much happened, except for a few isolated incidents. The bulk of the protesters wandered around doing little. There would of been much more video otherwise. Read the charges list for all the arrested, not much of anything. Play your games with Bob Ross, DJAdvocate, billsonboard and whoever else, don’t play with me. I won’t bother wasting my time going back and forth with you or trying to help you see when you’re saying stupid shit. If you consider your posting style as playing devil’s advocate sometimes, then say that, and I might participate occasionally. But if you’re just saying shit, trying to argue just for the sake of arguing, you can just keep it moving when it comes to anything I post. Now, you have a good evening. Mmmmkay?
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Post by hurley1980 on May 6, 2021 17:43:34 GMT -5
Officers were killed and injured!!!! But keep saying nothing happened if it makes you feel better.... Those are "isolated incidents". A black kid playing with a toy gun? Whole different story. Shoulda known better....got what's coming to him....didn't put it down in the 1.2 seconds between when the cop shouted at him and shot him....whatever. Same old actors, same old story. Right! There were 140 officers injured that day....I guess 140 "isolated incidents?"
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