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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 29, 2021 15:23:53 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 29, 2021 16:25:11 GMT -5
Clueless families of insurrectionists.
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Post by Opti on Apr 29, 2021 17:08:24 GMT -5
I wonder what the timeline is on this. From the article- But even if the courts were to agree that the officer used excessive force, the far harder task in overcoming qualified immunity would be showing that the officer’s conduct violated Babbitt’s “clearly established” right, which seems like a steep hill to climb given the historically unique circumstances of rioters invading the Capitol Building while lawmakers were inside.
She's crawling through a busted window trying to steal an election when Congress is in session along with hundreds of other people. It does not feel harmless to me. I wonder what the family would do if someone busted their window and crawled through with a backpack on. Would they assume the person is just harmless and just wants to trespass?
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Post by tallguy on Apr 29, 2021 17:26:33 GMT -5
Every single person who entered that building should have been shot. The family should be happy. Hers is the only case where justice was actually done!
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Post by sesfw on Apr 29, 2021 17:44:11 GMT -5
Every person who entered that building should be arrested and charged with manslaughter for the policeman that was killed. Involuntary of voluntary .... I don't care just as long as they get arrested and end up with a federal felony record.
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Post by dondub on Apr 29, 2021 17:59:45 GMT -5
Every person who entered that building should be arrested and charged with manslaughter for the policeman that was killed. Involuntary of voluntary .... I don't care just as long as they get arrested and end up with a federal felony record. Gladys! Best post ever.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 29, 2021 18:50:57 GMT -5
Video clearly shows multiple cops with their guns drawn on the far side of the barricaded doors when this woman persists in breaking a window and trying to crawl through. Just behind the cops with weapons were the doors to one of the chambers where legislators were still hiding. You can even hear several people on the terrorist side of the door call out ‘they have guns.’
This falls into ‘death by stupidity.’ The universe is not obligated to cater to stupid people.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 29, 2021 19:00:35 GMT -5
In the video can't you hear the policeman yell "get back"?
Maybe she should have followed instructions.
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Post by azucena on Apr 29, 2021 20:16:46 GMT -5
My brain is trying to decide if it's ironic if the policeman is acquitted or found guilty in this case in comparison to the other officer trials. Not that they are comparable at all - it's just where my mind went and couldn't decide.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 29, 2021 21:34:45 GMT -5
My brain is trying to decide if it's ironic if the policeman is acquitted or found guilty in this case in comparison to the other officer trials. Not that they are comparable at all - it's just where my mind went and couldn't decide. Isn’t this moot? The police that shot her hasn’t been charged with anything.....nor should he.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 29, 2021 21:36:18 GMT -5
But she wasn't black! She was a white American patriot defending her country! She had the right to protest.
Every single one of them should have been shot dead just like if they had stormed the White House to attack the president.
The fact they weren't and most have lived to see trial when others are shot dead over a traffic stop speaks volumes.
Her parents massive white privilege is on display. I'm sorry they lost a child but as is said when its others of different skin color that's what you get for not respecting the police.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 30, 2021 7:17:11 GMT -5
My brain is trying to decide if it's ironic if the policeman is acquitted or found guilty in this case in comparison to the other officer trials. Not that they are comparable at all - it's just where my mind went and couldn't decide. Isn’t this moot? The police that shot her hasn’t been charged with anything.....nor should he. The far right is insisting this was a peaceful protest and the cops were showing an unnecessary use of force. Which is fucking rich, coming from people who believe trying to pass a bad twenty is a sufficient reason to kill a black guy.
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 30, 2021 7:29:34 GMT -5
In the video can't you hear the policeman yell "get back"? Maybe she should have followed instructions. Yes. He said to stay back or he would shoot. She didn't comply and got shot. I don't think this case will go anywhere. At the end of the day she was committing a crime. A federal crime. She was warned by the officer and she didn't listen. Had she not been committing a crime that day, she would still be alive.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 30, 2021 10:18:42 GMT -5
In the video can't you hear the policeman yell "get back"? Maybe she should have followed instructions. Yes. He said to stay back or he would shoot. She didn't comply and got shot. I don't think this case will go anywhere. At the end of the day she was committing a crime. A federal crime. She was warned by the officer and she didn't listen. Had she not been committing a crime that day, she would still be alive. I hope they get nothing. She was being aggressive. But, reality, they will probably settle and give them something. If her family is just after money - they will take it. The only way this gets pushed further (and into court) is if they want to somehow prove Ashli was right.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 30, 2021 10:28:44 GMT -5
Does a cash settlement lose her martyr status?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 30, 2021 10:47:06 GMT -5
Does a cash settlement lose her martyr status? No. But if someone gives them the resources they need to take it to court, convinced that the courts will somehow uphold her right to go anywhere inside the capital, anytime she wants and break windows and climb through - their whole movement gets a bunch of oxygen. Way more than just a cash settlement. It depends on which judge they pull.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 30, 2021 10:47:25 GMT -5
I wonder how much her family has been given through the internet from all the Trump patriots.
At least that’s money not going to Trump, and I think she had kids, so I’m fine with helping them out. Not their fault mom fell into a Q hole.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 30, 2021 10:59:33 GMT -5
Does a cash settlement lose her martyr status? No. But if someone gives them the resources they need to take it to court, convinced that the courts will somehow uphold her right to go anywhere inside the capital, anytime she wants and break windows and climb through - their whole movement gets a bunch of oxygen. Way more than just a cash settlement. It depends on which judge they pull. I'm wondering if they are hoping to set some precedent or something... Did the States that were trying to pass laws giving the drivers of cars that plow into "protestors" protections under the law - actually pass those laws? And then there's all those "protections" when someone kills someone "invading" their home or being "threatened". I'm wondering if this lawsuit is an another 'push' to try to get the laws further set up so white people have a different set of laws applied to them. FWIW: I could not be a juror on this case. I don't think I could be convinced that she wasn't "breaking and entering" and that the police/people inside the Capitol weren't being threatened. I'm pretty sure the police /people inside the Capitol feared being harmed no matter HOW charming and polite the people using FORCE to break in were. I'm sorry she died (and have sympathy for her family) but it's in the same I feel bad when someone does something stupid and dies as a result of it. I have a hard time believing the "mob" thought they could force their way in and expect to be greeted with open arms and cheers.
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Post by Opti on Apr 30, 2021 11:20:58 GMT -5
Well, I've lost compassion for the husband. www.wmal.com/news/aaron-babbitt-to-newsmax-tv-ashli-didnt-deserve-to-be-executed/The husband of the late Ashli Babbitt laments that the American veteran just wanted her voice to be heard in her final moments; her voice was ignored and now her death at the hand of a Capitol police officer is, too, Aaron Babbitt told Newsmax TV.Sixty plus lawsuits with no merit, and someone can't email or call their representative but needs to break in and crawl through a broken window in the eleventh hour to be heard? A GoFundMe has been set up for Aaron Babbitt called “Ashli Babbitt Official Memorial” and has already raised more than $44,800.
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Post by Opti on Apr 30, 2021 11:24:49 GMT -5
No. But if someone gives them the resources they need to take it to court, convinced that the courts will somehow uphold her right to go anywhere inside the capital, anytime she wants and break windows and climb through - their whole movement gets a bunch of oxygen. Way more than just a cash settlement. It depends on which judge they pull. I'm wondering if they are hoping to set some precedent or something... Did the States that were trying to pass laws giving the drivers of cars that plow into "protestors" protections under the law - actually pass those laws? And then there's all those "protections" when someone kills someone "invading" their home or being "threatened". I'm wondering if this lawsuit is an another 'push' to try to get the laws further set up so white people have a different set of laws applied to them. FWIW: I could not be a juror on this case. I don't think I could be convinced that she wasn't "breaking and entering" and that the police/people inside the Capitol weren't being threatened. I'm pretty sure the police /people inside the Capitol feared being harmed no matter HOW charming and polite the people using FORCE to break in were. I'm sorry she died (and have sympathy for her family) but it's in the same I feel bad when someone does something stupid and dies as a result of it. I have a hard time believing the "mob" thought they could force their way in and expect to be greeted with open arms and cheers. That's one thing that puzzles me. Many of these people who broke into the Capitol are likely pro shooting anyone who is on their property or home without their permission. Then why is it considered OK to storm the Capitol and threaten people doing their work? Simply because Trump wanted to steal the election? Because they wanted to? Because they couldn't accept they lost?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 30, 2021 11:36:00 GMT -5
I'm wondering if they are hoping to set some precedent or something... Did the States that were trying to pass laws giving the drivers of cars that plow into "protestors" protections under the law - actually pass those laws? And then there's all those "protections" when someone kills someone "invading" their home or being "threatened". I'm wondering if this lawsuit is an another 'push' to try to get the laws further set up so white people have a different set of laws applied to them. FWIW: I could not be a juror on this case. I don't think I could be convinced that she wasn't "breaking and entering" and that the police/people inside the Capitol weren't being threatened. I'm pretty sure the police /people inside the Capitol feared being harmed no matter HOW charming and polite the people using FORCE to break in were. I'm sorry she died (and have sympathy for her family) but it's in the same I feel bad when someone does something stupid and dies as a result of it. I have a hard time believing the "mob" thought they could force their way in and expect to be greeted with open arms and cheers. That's one thing that puzzles me. Many of these people who broke into the Capitol are likely pro shooting anyone who is on their property or home without their permission. Then why is it considered OK to storm the Capitol and threaten people doing their work? Simply because Trump wanted to steal the election? Because they wanted to? Because they couldn't accept they lost? The US Capital Building belongs to them and therefore they didn't need permission (or some line of thought like that).
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 30, 2021 11:52:18 GMT -5
No. But if someone gives them the resources they need to take it to court, convinced that the courts will somehow uphold her right to go anywhere inside the capital, anytime she wants and break windows and climb through - their whole movement gets a bunch of oxygen. Way more than just a cash settlement. It depends on which judge they pull. I'm wondering if they are hoping to set some precedent or something... Did the States that were trying to pass laws giving the drivers of cars that plow into "protestors" protections under the law - actually pass those laws? And then there's all those "protections" when someone kills someone "invading" their home or being "threatened". I'm wondering if this lawsuit is an another 'push' to try to get the laws further set up so white people have a different set of laws applied to them. FWIW: I could not be a juror on this case. I don't think I could be convinced that she wasn't "breaking and entering" and that the police/people inside the Capitol weren't being threatened. I'm pretty sure the police /people inside the Capitol feared being harmed no matter HOW charming and polite the people using FORCE to break in were. I'm sorry she died (and have sympathy for her family) but it's in the same I feel bad when someone does something stupid and dies as a result of it. I have a hard time believing the "mob" thought they could force their way in and expect to be greeted with open arms and cheers. I **might** believe mob mentality if she were standing around in the hallway with hundreds of others. Climbing though that window was a singular act.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 30, 2021 12:01:14 GMT -5
I'm wondering if they are hoping to set some precedent or something... Did the States that were trying to pass laws giving the drivers of cars that plow into "protestors" protections under the law - actually pass those laws? And then there's all those "protections" when someone kills someone "invading" their home or being "threatened". I'm wondering if this lawsuit is an another 'push' to try to get the laws further set up so white people have a different set of laws applied to them. FWIW: I could not be a juror on this case. I don't think I could be convinced that she wasn't "breaking and entering" and that the police/people inside the Capitol weren't being threatened. I'm pretty sure the police /people inside the Capitol feared being harmed no matter HOW charming and polite the people using FORCE to break in were. I'm sorry she died (and have sympathy for her family) but it's in the same I feel bad when someone does something stupid and dies as a result of it. I have a hard time believing the "mob" thought they could force their way in and expect to be greeted with open arms and cheers. That's one thing that puzzles me. Many of these people who broke into the Capitol are likely pro shooting anyone who is on their property or home without their permission. Then why is it considered OK to storm the Capitol and threaten people doing their work? Simply because Trump wanted to steal the election? Because they wanted to? Because they couldn't accept they lost? Cops aren't supposed to shoot white patriots. We "pay the salary" of Congress therefore they had every right to storm it and demand a fair election. It's not trespassing if it is public property. My property is private property so screw you. Also I am pretty sure a lot of that crowd don't mean they would shoot their fellow white people they want to be able to freely shoot the "others" who are destroying our country.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 30, 2021 12:01:27 GMT -5
Well, I've lost compassion for the husband. www.wmal.com/news/aaron-babbitt-to-newsmax-tv-ashli-didnt-deserve-to-be-executed/The husband of the late Ashli Babbitt laments that the American veteran just wanted her voice to be heard in her final moments; her voice was ignored and now her death at the hand of a Capitol police officer is, too, Aaron Babbitt told Newsmax TV.Sixty plus lawsuits with no merit, and someone can't email or call their representative but needs to break in and crawl through a broken window in the eleventh hour to be heard? A GoFundMe has been set up for Aaron Babbitt called “Ashli Babbitt Official Memorial” and has already raised more than $44,800. There was a rally and she had her chance to be heard there.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 30, 2021 12:43:55 GMT -5
That's one thing that puzzles me. Many of these people who broke into the Capitol are likely pro shooting anyone who is on their property or home without their permission. Then why is it considered OK to storm the Capitol and threaten people doing their work? Simply because Trump wanted to steal the election? Because they wanted to? Because they couldn't accept they lost? Cops aren't supposed to shoot white patriots. We "pay the salary" of Congress therefore they had every right to storm it and demand a fair election. It's not trespassing if it is public property. My property is private property so screw you. Also I am pretty sure a lot of that crowd don't mean they would shoot their fellow white people they want to be able to freely shoot the "others" who are destroying our country. During the looting earlier in the year - I heard plenty of people saying the looters should have been shot - and that store owners had every right to "protect" their businesses. I don't consider stores/businesses "private property" as per se. It's open to the public. If business owners can shot people threatening them or their place business then I'm OK with the Capitol police shooting at the mob forcing their entry into the Capitol building. Why do schools, stores, banks, office buildings, sports stadiums, pretty much anyplace where American's gather in large groups - have security often times armed? How is the Capitol different?
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Post by imawino on May 4, 2021 14:35:12 GMT -5
Well, I've lost compassion for the husband. www.wmal.com/news/aaron-babbitt-to-newsmax-tv-ashli-didnt-deserve-to-be-executed/The husband of the late Ashli Babbitt laments that the American veteran just wanted her voice to be heard in her final moments; her voice was ignored and now her death at the hand of a Capitol police officer is, too, Aaron Babbitt told Newsmax TV.Sixty plus lawsuits with no merit, and someone can't email or call their representative but needs to break in and crawl through a broken window in the eleventh hour to be heard? A GoFundMe has been set up for Aaron Babbitt called “Ashli Babbitt Official Memorial” and has already raised more than $44,800. There was a rally and she had her chance to be heard there. For that matter, they could hear her through the door - no need to jump through. I am sorry for her parents that they have lost their child. That is a terrible thing to endure. But with regard to the lawsuit, they should go fuck themselves.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2021 14:53:46 GMT -5
In the video can't you hear the policeman yell "get back"? Maybe she should have followed instructions. multiple times. black people don't even get a warning.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 4, 2021 16:33:00 GMT -5
They have a point ......... breaking and entering and protesting are not death penalty offences.
She wasn't armed and dangerous or about to kill someone ....so being shot dead would seem excessive.
Did they not have tasers?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2021 16:39:58 GMT -5
They have a point ......... breaking and entering and protesting are not death penalty offences. I am presuming you have never heard of the Castle doctrine?
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Post by tallguy on May 4, 2021 16:42:47 GMT -5
They have a point ......... breaking and entering and protesting are not death penalty offences. She wasn't armed and dangerous or about to kill someone ....so being shot dead would seem excessive. Did they not have tasers? Which parts of sedition and insurrection are you deciding are NOT a big deal?
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