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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 28, 2021 14:56:52 GMT -5
I have a bunch of "friends" on Facebook mocking the criticism of Pepe Le Pew. (The Looney Tunes skunk that would stalk and kidnap cute black cats despite the cat making it clear they weren't interested)
Why are they so attached to Pepe. I remember even as a small kid thinking Pepe was not funny. The poor cat always looks terrified.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 28, 2021 15:23:34 GMT -5
Are they attached to him or are they focused on the criticism of him? I have a vague memory of him. I think his appeal was about funny foreign voice, over the top behavior, and the absurdity of a stinky animal thinking he was desirable. Not sure anyone over 12 watched him. Certainly not appropriate with today's greater sensitivity. I just am not sure why comments about him are happening now. But I am not that in touch with current popular culture. Is he making a comeback?
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Post by dannylion on Mar 28, 2021 15:49:06 GMT -5
Are they attached to him or are they focused on the criticism of him? I have a vague memory of him. I think his appeal was about funny foreign voice, over the top behavior, and the absurdity of a stinky animal thinking he was desirable. Not sure anyone over 12 watched him. Certainly not appropriate with today's greater sensitivity. I just am not sure why comments about him are happening now. But I am not that in touch with current popular culture. Is he making a comeback? If I recall correctly, whoever controls his images now has finally recognized the inappropriate nature of his predatory behavior and his refusal to respect "no" as an answer, and his services will no longer be required in the animated entertainment industry. The troglodyte faction has, predictably, now adopted him as their spirit animal and are working themselves into a snit over his "cancelation." They are apparently outraged that his rights are being violated. Or something.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 28, 2021 16:48:42 GMT -5
I think it's because a Basketball Movie is being remade. The one with Bugs Bunny and some Basket ball guys. I can't think of the name of it to save myself.
Pepe Le Pew is being cut from the remake - and the masses are having a heart attack about him being "canceled" and how their childhoods are being "erased" or something stupid like that.
Basically what dannylion said.
I wasn't a big fan of Pepe Le Pew - I always felt sorry for the cat. It did make me a bit uncomfortable as a kid (as in girls have no way to say "no" to anything which echo'd what I was observing in real life. as a girl I was expected to say/do/be certain things - didn't matter how I felt about it.) If I remember correctly the cartoons usually put Pepe threw a wringer (or run over by a steam roller or pounded in the head with a hammer) as he chases after the cat.
Pepe's also not a very nice stereotype of the French if you will either. I'm not sure what the big bruhaha is.
To be honest, when they bring back characters from the past - I don't see why they don't just give them a bit of tweak to bring them into the 21st century. Not totally re-write or change the character but - make them "grow up" a little or become more self aware or something. That's the draw of most Anime - Characters who acknowledge their 'bad' past or who actually 'change their mind about some issue' or characters who work thru 'changing their behavior' - sometimes characters just tone down their 'icky bits' and attempt to be better humans (or creatures or whatever) enough to not remain 'villains' or idiots or jerks.
Pepe still being a "womanizing" jerk might work if he'd back off after getting say an out right "No! I don't want to go out with you." or something else direct. That atleast would go along with Sexual harrassment training and how to tell when someone really means "no" when they are saying NO!. Give people a frame work for how to deal with someone like Pepe and give people like Pepe some guidance that being told enough is enough or No doesn't mean they themselves are bad or hated or whatever.
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Post by dannylion on Mar 28, 2021 18:36:09 GMT -5
I think it's because a Basketball Movie is being remade. The one with Bugs Bunny and some Basket ball guys. I can't think of the name of it to save myself. Pepe Le Pew is being cut from the remake - and the masses are having a heart attack about him being "canceled" and how their childhoods are being "erased" or something stupid like that. Basically what dannylion said. I wasn't a big fan of Pepe Le Pew - I always felt sorry for the cat. It did make me a bit uncomfortable as a kid (as in girls have no way to say "no" to anything which echo'd what I was observing in real life. as a girl I was expected to say/do/be certain things - didn't matter how I felt about it.) If I remember correctly the cartoons usually put Pepe threw a wringer (or run over by a steam roller or pounded in the head with a hammer) as he chases after the cat. Pepe's also not a very nice stereotype of the French if you will either. I'm not sure what the big bruhaha is. To be honest, when they bring back characters from the past - I don't see why they don't just give them a bit of tweak to bring them into the 21st century. Not totally re-write or change the character but - make them "grow up" a little or become more self aware or something. That's the draw of most Anime - Characters who acknowledge their 'bad' past or who actually 'change their mind about some issue' or characters who work thru 'changing their behavior' - sometimes characters just tone down their 'icky bits' and attempt to be better humans (or creatures or whatever) enough to not remain 'villains' or idiots or jerks. Pepe still being a "womanizing" jerk might work if he'd back off after getting say an out right "No! I don't want to go out with you." or something else direct. That atleast would go along with Sexual harrassment training and how to tell when someone really means "no" when they are saying NO!. Give people a frame work for how to deal with someone like Pepe and give people like Pepe some guidance that being told enough is enough or No doesn't mean they themselves are bad or hated or whatever. Ah, yes, forgot about the "they're erasing my childhood" cohort. Because apparently some people's entire childhoods consisted of nothing but obsessive devotion to the absolute worst (and usually minor or even unpopular) cartoon and storybook characters, all of whom are seemingly now revered as central to their character formation. (Come to think of it, that would explain a lot.) In reality, they probably had forgotten all about them and could not name a single memory tied to those characters.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 28, 2021 18:52:48 GMT -5
Pepe Le Pew Snubbed Again in Latest HBO Max UpdatePepé Le Pew got another subtle snub from Warner Bros. this week on HBO Max. The streaming service now has user icons available for family members to distinguish their unique viewer profiles. While several Looney Tunes characters are options, Pepé Le Pew was not. So who has a family member who would want to be identified as a sexist skunk?
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Post by Tiny on Mar 28, 2021 21:41:46 GMT -5
Pepe Le Pew Snubbed Again in Latest HBO Max UpdatePepé Le Pew got another subtle snub from Warner Bros. this week on HBO Max. The streaming service now has user icons available for family members to distinguish their unique viewer profiles. While several Looney Tunes characters are options, Pepé Le Pew was not. So who has a family member who would want to be identified as a sexist skunk? Probably the same ones that use Maurice the Hormone Monster from Big Mouth (OK, yes, the show isn't the same as Pepe Le Pew comic cartoons - but still... the show is cringe worthy - or maybe it's because I'm female. ) Or anyone that uses Archer... or the dad from Family Guy... There's plenty of modern cartoon characters that are worse than Pepe - maybe that's why the bruhaha - Pepe Le Pew is kind of tame. Except I think the Baskeball movie is aimed at kids - and the example I just gave are from Adult shows...
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Post by justme on Mar 28, 2021 22:25:32 GMT -5
Are they attached to him or are they focused on the criticism of him? I have a vague memory of him. I think his appeal was about funny foreign voice, over the top behavior, and the absurdity of a stinky animal thinking he was desirable. Not sure anyone over 12 watched him. Certainly not appropriate with today's greater sensitivity. I just am not sure why comments about him are happening now. But I am not that in touch with current popular culture. Is he making a comeback? LeBron is doing a sequel to Space Jam which has Looney Tunes cartoons as costars. The article I read said he made the decision a long time ago not to include pepe due to the stalking, kidnapping, sexual harassment/assault the character did but it just now caught attention.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 29, 2021 8:50:19 GMT -5
Same people who.are frothing at the mouth over Sesame street having African American muppets. Apparently this is Sesame street kowtowing to the snowflakes.
Which tells me these people never truly paid attention to Sesame street. It has ALWAYS been about education and helping kids tackle tough issues.
If you're having an existential crisis over a muppet then you're the target audience. Take a moment to realize how privileged you are that a muppet is your trigger.
I bet these people REALLY hated Mr. Rogers.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 29, 2021 9:24:51 GMT -5
Pepe Le Pew Snubbed Again in Latest HBO Max UpdatePepé Le Pew got another subtle snub from Warner Bros. this week on HBO Max. The streaming service now has user icons available for family members to distinguish their unique viewer profiles. While several Looney Tunes characters are options, Pepé Le Pew was not. So who has a family member who would want to be identified as a sexist skunk? Probably the same ones that use Maurice the Hormone Monster from Big Mouth (OK, yes, the show isn't the same as Pepe Le Pew comic cartoons - but still... the show is cringe worthy - or maybe it's because I'm female. ) Or anyone that uses Archer... or the dad from Family Guy... There's plenty of modern cartoon characters that are worse than Pepe - maybe that's why the bruhaha - Pepe Le Pew is kind of tame. Except I think the Baskeball movie is aimed at kids - and the example I just gave are from Adult shows... I don't like those shows but to me the big difference is that everyone is really clear that those characters are assholes. The big problem with Pepe is that he was presented as cute and funny and just misunderstood poor guy.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 29, 2021 9:33:57 GMT -5
I recognized PePe was an ass. Even as a kid there was something satisfying over watching him get his ass handed to him every time he harassed the cat.
Apparently even then I realized on some level men get away with A LOT and it was nice to see one get crushed by a steam roller.
I believe he may have been based on a 30s French movie character but don't quote me on that.
Society changes and evolves. I was reading an article about how before the internet life just moved on because books and stuff disappeared from public view.
With the internet and the intense desire to market nostalgia now we have to reckon with it.
I've been binge watching The Muppet show. Several episodes come with warnings which people also have their panties in a wad over.
I get it. Watching them now vs as a kid I can see some skits are just not OK. However I laughed as a kid. With my kids I need to discuss it because it's never been okay to them.
Before streaming and DVD box sets they never would see it and it would be buried. I wouldn't have to reckon with it.
That's what is pissing people off. You can't sniff and say you were never a part of the group. You have to own it. Much easier to claim blindness.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 29, 2021 9:36:26 GMT -5
And speaking of Looney Tunes is anyone else wincing over Foghorn Leghorn? I never did like him but I've been picking up undertones I never noticed before that rub me the wrong way.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 29, 2021 9:54:45 GMT -5
I recognized PePe was an ass. Even as a kid there was something satisfying over watching him get his ass handed to him every time he harassed the cat. Apparently even then I realized on some level men get away with A LOT and it was nice to see one get crushed by a steam roller. I believe he may have been based on a 30s French movie character but don't quote me on that. Society changes and evolves. I was reading an article about how before the internet life just moved on because books and stuff disappeared from public view. With the internet and the intense desire to market nostalgia now we have to reckon with it. I've been binge watching The Muppet show. Several episodes come with warnings which people also have their panties in a wad over. I get it. Watching them now vs as a kid I can see some skits are just not OK. However I laughed as a kid. With my kids I need to discuss it because it's never been okay to them. Before streaming and DVD box sets they never would see it and it would be buried. I wouldn't have to reckon with it. That's what is pissing people off. You can't sniff and say you were never a part of the group. You have to own it. Much easier to claim blindness. As a child, I saw the steam roller as the negative consequence for his behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 10:00:18 GMT -5
Children in detention centers on the border. People starving not just in third world countries but in the US as well. Wars everydamwhere. Covid variants taking over. The world is going to hell in a hand cart.
And Pepe Le Pew is important? WTF?
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 29, 2021 10:09:58 GMT -5
Well, I liked watching all the silly cartoons as a kid. I never related them to real life or anything, they were supposed to be funny and that's all I saw. I guess I must have been weird. I don't know where people get all these meanings, now nothing can be fun unless its completely sanitized, its getting ridiculous in my book.
Now there are some things that are offensive but some just take them for what they are funny.
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Post by bean29 on Mar 29, 2021 10:18:45 GMT -5
I was thinking about this on my way to work. I really don't think they will get much traction on this. PepeLePew was not a big part of my childhood and I am 57. I think they are searching for something to make an issue of, but people are not going to be that invested in it. I don't care. My kids certainly won't care either.
I don't care about those Dr. Seuss Books going out of circulation either. I have bought books recently for my Brother's Grandchildren. There are so many beautiful books to choose from. I would not want to give anything with racist connotations to my niece's children anyways.
This issue will be gone in a week, b/c no one really cares that much about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:01:11 GMT -5
Children in detention centers on the border. People starving not just in third world countries but in the US as well. Wars everydamwhere. Covid variants taking over. The world is going to hell in a hand cart. And Pepe Le Pew is important? WTF?Mr Potato Head is running a close second. That's probably not any consolation.
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Post by azucena on Mar 29, 2021 12:40:18 GMT -5
Well, I liked watching all the silly cartoons as a kid. I never related them to real life or anything, they were supposed to be funny and that's all I saw. I guess I must have been weird. I don't know where people get all these meanings, now nothing can be fun unless its completely sanitized, its getting ridiculous in my book. Now there are some things that are offensive but some just take them for what they are funny. CG - I'd encourage you to watch some of it now in light of recent events. It's a totally different perspective.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 29, 2021 14:17:17 GMT -5
Children in detention centers on the border. People starving not just in third world countries but in the US as well. Wars everydamwhere. Covid variants taking over. The world is going to hell in a hand cart. And Pepe Le Pew is important? WTF?That's how Conservatives operate. Don't talk about stuff they might be held accountable for.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 29, 2021 15:49:33 GMT -5
I recognized PePe was an ass. Even as a kid there was something satisfying over watching him get his ass handed to him every time he harassed the cat. Apparently even then I realized on some level men get away with A LOT and it was nice to see one get crushed by a steam roller. I believe he may have been based on a 30s French movie character but don't quote me on that. Society changes and evolves. I was reading an article about how before the internet life just moved on because books and stuff disappeared from public view. With the internet and the intense desire to market nostalgia now we have to reckon with it. I've been binge watching The Muppet show. Several episodes come with warnings which people also have their panties in a wad over.I get it. Watching them now vs as a kid I can see some skits are just not OK. However I laughed as a kid. With my kids I need to discuss it because it's never been okay to them. Before streaming and DVD box sets they never would see it and it would be buried. I wouldn't have to reckon with it. That's what is pissing people off. You can't sniff and say you were never a part of the group. You have to own it. Much easier to claim blindness. OMG... not sure if this got anyone's undies in a bunch - but Prince singing Raspberry Sorbet on Sesame Street - a pretty gosh darn cute skit/appearance (I squeeed! - and he seems to be having fun doing it). But really, a riff on Raspberry Beret on a kids show? Not sure about that... (in light of how distraught people were over the tame-ish for Prince 1999 and Purple Rain albums... good thing they never went back to For You, Prince (self titled) or Dirty Mind). Raspberry Beret is pretty tame by Prince standards. FWIW: I like how Raspberry Beret is a kind of Bobby McGee song - I hear Bobby McGee was originally suppose to be sung by a guy about a girl - and then Janice sang it. I think Raspberry Beret has a kind of "nostalgia" or "rememberance of a past experience" - this time from the guy's side.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 29, 2021 15:59:03 GMT -5
I recognized PePe was an ass. Even as a kid there was something satisfying over watching him get his ass handed to him every time he harassed the cat. Apparently even then I realized on some level men get away with A LOT and it was nice to see one get crushed by a steam roller. I believe he may have been based on a 30s French movie character but don't quote me on that. Society changes and evolves. I was reading an article about how before the internet life just moved on because books and stuff disappeared from public view. With the internet and the intense desire to market nostalgia now we have to reckon with it. I've been binge watching The Muppet show. Several episodes come with warnings which people also have their panties in a wad over. I get it. Watching them now vs as a kid I can see some skits are just not OK. However I laughed as a kid. With my kids I need to discuss it because it's never been okay to them. Before streaming and DVD box sets they never would see it and it would be buried. I wouldn't have to reckon with it. That's what is pissing people off. You can't sniff and say you were never a part of the group. You have to own it. Much easier to claim blindness. As a child, I saw the steam roller as the negative consequence for his behavior. but he always popped up after it, explained it away (she loved him so much her love was like a "steam roller" or something to that effect) and hopped happily and went after the cat he was sure adored him for more "lovin" ! But, really we are talking about a cartoon for kids that needed to compete with the bigger stars Bugs, Wily Coyote, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd, Tom and Jerry. etc... who were all doing the same kinds of prat falls and anvils dropped on heads, etc... It's all the same comic devices just different characters. And Pepe is I think a second or third string "character". At least when Wily Coyote got run over by a steam roller - he was aware his plan had failed and that the RoadRunner had "won" - which made Wily more eager for revenge/vengence.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 29, 2021 16:04:43 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Boomers aren't bewailing that the Three Stooges aren't being shown to today's youth. and therefore erased from history! What could be more wholesome than the Stooges??
I think I saw a FB post about Pepe Le Pew that went something like:
I told my kid about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and went back to playing GTA where he lit a whore on fire so he didn't have to pay her.
Maybe kids are exposed to far worse stuff at a young age than Pepe Le Pew.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 16:17:25 GMT -5
Children in detention centers on the border. People starving not just in third world countries but in the US as well. Wars everydamwhere. Covid variants taking over. The world is going to hell in a hand cart. And Pepe Le Pew is important? WTF?That's how Conservatives operate. Don't talk about stuff they might be held accountable for. No stereotype issues over here, move on to the next post, don't look back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 16:18:56 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Boomers aren't bewailing that the Three Stooges aren't being shown to today's youth. and therefore erased from history! What could be more wholesome than the Stooges?? I think I saw a FB post about Pepe Le Pew that went something like: I told my kid about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and went back to playing GTA where he lit a whore on fire so he didn't have to pay her. Maybe kids are exposed to far worse stuff at a young age than Pepe Le Pew. The stooges suck, that's why.
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