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How can you claim it is a white male birthright when you also say gun violence is much more prevalent by black males? That sounds to me that it is a black male birthright more than a white male birthright. Not deflection at all. But when you claim the violence is due to white males and then admit it is the black males killing most with guns, well that’s just lunacy. If you solve white man rage you will have stopped .2% of the shootings. What about the rest? Or is it only the white lives you are concerned about? Because I personally am much more at risk of being killed by a white man in one of those .2% shootings. But to focus our energy there says you only care about saving the white lives lost to gun violence. I’m not sure why you keep stating that white male rage only accounts for 0.2 percent of deaths - that’s just mass murder deaths. See the big green piece of the pie - murder by other means? Wanna guess how many of those are an angry boyfriend or husband who killed his partner? Males killing their partners have become such a trite occurrence when a woman shows up dead, their partner is the primary suspect. Toxic masculinity spoils the party again. Yes, this applies to all races of men, but some of them are white. It's similar as trying to associate gun deaths with criminals Two thirds of gun deaths are suicides that will seek other means if necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 7:04:13 GMT -5
No, no, no!! Not a red squirrel. A gray squirrel. Again, you started with the raging white male being the cause of gun violence. I refuted you with facts. That isn’t deflection. What you are doing is deflection. He seems to like steering the topic like in a classroom full of kids Ridicule when cornered, or deflection. Kids need to be correctly instructed in the Bill of Rights, and how it applies. This is has not been happening, a big reason for the way things are today. Academia seem to be more concerned with their state of overcompensation than actual instruction of children, as they cuddle up to their public service unions. It takes a community to raise a child, until something goes wrong in utopia, then it's the parents fault.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 29, 2021 9:04:56 GMT -5
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I’m not sure why you keep stating that white male rage only accounts for 0.2 percent of deaths - that’s just mass murder deaths. See the big green piece of the pie - murder by other means? Wanna guess how many of those are an angry boyfriend or husband who killed his partner? Males killing their partners have become such a trite occurrence when a woman shows up dead, their partner is the primary suspect. Toxic masculinity spoils the party again. Yes, this applies to all races of men, but some of them are white. It's similar as trying to associate gun deaths with criminals Two thirds of gun deaths are suicides that will seek other means if necessary. Actually perhaps not. Malcolm Gladwells book Talking to Strangers looked at suicide research and came up with the counter intuitive thought that people who commit suicide fixate on a certain suicide method and if that method goes away, they don’t usually switch to a different method. For instance, when the Golden Gate Bridge was built it became a suicide Mecca. People tried to get the city to install nets along the sides of the bridge to stop all the suicides, but for years the city resisted claiming if someone wanted to commit suicide they would find another way. However once they finally did install them, suicides dropped city wide. I agree it makes no sense, but apparently suicide prone people fixate on a method. So if your spouse want to kill himself with a hand gun, you should remove all the hand guns from the house. Although as easy as it is to get a weapon, no doubt he’ll be able to find another one.
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It's similar as trying to associate gun deaths with criminals Two thirds of gun deaths are suicides that will seek other means if necessary. Actually perhaps not. Malcolm Gladwells book Talking to Strangers looked at suicide research and came up with the counter intuitive thought that people who commit suicide fixate on a certain suicide method and if that method goes away, they don’t usually switch to a different method. For instance, when the Golden Gate Bridge was built it became a suicide Mecca. People tried to get the city to install nets along the sides of the bridge to stop all the suicides, but for years the city resisted claiming if someone wanted to commit suicide they would find another way. However once they finally did install them, suicides dropped city wide. I agree it makes no sense, but apparently suicide prone people fixate on a method. So if your spouse want to kill himself with a hand gun, you should remove all the hand guns from the house. Although as easy as it is to get a weapon, no doubt he’ll be able to find another one. When the point is reached where he/she can't get another, then alternate methods are researched. I've recently had some up and close experience. The woman who owns the roller rink where I volunteer at had two older offspring, daughter and son. 7 years ago the 27 year old daughter a last seen by the grandfather walking down the street in front of his house. (The family owns the whole block) She had a cheerful "hi grampa" as she went by. 1 hour later she threw herself off the Table Rock Lake dam. The 38 year old son, up to a couple of weeks ago, often talked about killing himself after breaking up with his longtime girlfriend. He went the OD drug route. All generations of the extended family are quite the gun enthusiasts, competition, hunting, etc. plenty of easily accessible choices. If you go to the public FB page for Skateworld in Branson, MO. the post on his death is probably still there. My youngest brother about was also a big gun enthusiast, tried to commit suicide about 40 years ago. I found him just in time when stopping by his house unexpected. He also used drugs for the attempt. I know three close experiences aren't necessarily representative, but it kind of helped formed my opinion.
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Actually perhaps not. Malcolm Gladwells book Talking to Strangers looked at suicide research and came up with the counter intuitive thought that people who commit suicide fixate on a certain suicide method and if that method goes away, they don’t usually switch to a different method. For instance, when the Golden Gate Bridge was built it became a suicide Mecca. People tried to get the city to install nets along the sides of the bridge to stop all the suicides, but for years the city resisted claiming if someone wanted to commit suicide they would find another way. However once they finally did install them, suicides dropped city wide. I agree it makes no sense, but apparently suicide prone people fixate on a method. So if your spouse want to kill himself with a hand gun, you should remove all the hand guns from the house. Although as easy as it is to get a weapon, no doubt he’ll be able to find another one. When the point is reached where he/she can't get another, then alternate methods are researched. I've recently had some up and close experience. The woman who owns the roller rink where I volunteer at had two older offspring, daughter and son. 7 years ago the 27 year old daughter a last seen by the grandfather walking down the street in front of his house. (The family owns the whole block) She had a cheerful "hi grampa" as she went by. 1 hour later she threw herself off the Table Rock Lake dam. The 38 year old son, up to a couple of weeks ago, often talked about killing himself after breaking up with his longtime girlfriend. He went the OD drug route. All generations of the extended family are quite the gun enthusiasts, competition, hunting, etc. plenty of easily accessible choices. If you go to the public FB page for Skateworld in Branson, MO. the post on his death is probably still there. My youngest brother about was also a big gun enthusiast, tried to commit suicide about 40 years ago. I found him just in time when stopping by his house unexpected. He also used drugs for the attempt. I know three close experiences aren't necessarily representative, but it kind of helped formed my opinion. Your three examples do not counter the argument that people who consider suicide fixate on one method and if that method becomes unavailable, switch to another. As to the "gun enthusiast" part, I offer the theory that because guns were such an integral part of living, they weren't considered as an acceptable way to die by these particular individuals.
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When the point is reached where he/she can't get another, then alternate methods are researched. I've recently had some up and close experience. The woman who owns the roller rink where I volunteer at had two older offspring, daughter and son. 7 years ago the 27 year old daughter a last seen by the grandfather walking down the street in front of his house. (The family owns the whole block) She had a cheerful "hi grampa" as she went by. 1 hour later she threw herself off the Table Rock Lake dam. The 38 year old son, up to a couple of weeks ago, often talked about killing himself after breaking up with his longtime girlfriend. He went the OD drug route. All generations of the extended family are quite the gun enthusiasts, competition, hunting, etc. plenty of easily accessible choices. If you go to the public FB page for Skateworld in Branson, MO. the post on his death is probably still there. My youngest brother about was also a big gun enthusiast, tried to commit suicide about 40 years ago. I found him just in time when stopping by his house unexpected. He also used drugs for the attempt. I know three close experiences aren't necessarily representative, but it kind of helped formed my opinion. Your three examples do not counter the argument that people who consider suicide fixate on one method and if that method becomes unavailable, switch to another. As to the "gun enthusiast" part, I offer the theory that because guns were such an integral part of living, they weren't considered as an acceptable way to die by these particular individuals. Yeah, you look would of had to read the last sentence of my post to see that I already said that. You're using gun owners acceptability of use as a reason ? Doesn't sit well with the association with criminals, or requiring a need/privilege to excercise a constitutional right.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 29, 2021 11:29:58 GMT -5
Your three examples do not counter the argument that people who consider suicide fixate on one method and if that method becomes unavailable, switch to another. As to the "gun enthusiast" part, I offer the theory that because guns were such an integral part of living, they weren't considered as an acceptable way to die by these particular individuals. Yeah, you look would of had to read the last sentence of my post to see that I already said that. You're using gun owners acceptability of use as a reason ? Doesn't sit well with the association with criminals, or requiring a need/privilege to excercise a constitutional right. I read your post from first sentence to last.
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Actually perhaps not. Malcolm Gladwells book Talking to Strangers looked at suicide research and came up with the counter intuitive thought that people who commit suicide fixate on a certain suicide method and if that method goes away, they don’t usually switch to a different method. For instance, when the Golden Gate Bridge was built it became a suicide Mecca. People tried to get the city to install nets along the sides of the bridge to stop all the suicides, but for years the city resisted claiming if someone wanted to commit suicide they would find another way. However once they finally did install them, suicides dropped city wide. I agree it makes no sense, but apparently suicide prone people fixate on a method. So if your spouse want to kill himself with a hand gun, you should remove all the hand guns from the house. Although as easy as it is to get a weapon, no doubt he’ll be able to find another one. When the point is reached where he/she can't get another, then alternate methods are researched. I've recently had some up and close experience. The woman who owns the roller rink where I volunteer at had two older offspring, daughter and son. 7 years ago the 27 year old daughter a last seen by the grandfather walking down the street in front of his house. (The family owns the whole block) She had a cheerful "hi grampa" as she went by. 1 hour later she threw herself off the Table Rock Lake dam. The 38 year old son, up to a couple of weeks ago, often talked about killing himself after breaking up with his longtime girlfriend. He went the OD drug route. All generations of the extended family are quite the gun enthusiasts, competition, hunting, etc. plenty of easily accessible choices. If you go to the public FB page for Skateworld in Branson, MO. the post on his death is probably still there. My youngest brother about was also a big gun enthusiast, tried to commit suicide about 40 years ago. I found him just in time when stopping by his house unexpected. He also used drugs for the attempt. I know three close experiences aren't necessarily representative, but it kind of helped formed my opinion. This doesn’t really counter Malcom Gladwells argument that people fixate on a suicide method and are less likely to commit suicide if that method goes away. If we’re just swapping tragic suicides, a young man in our neighborhood shot himself when his dad took his phone away, and DHs cousin fought depression for 18 months until her brother moved back home with his handgun. Could be DHs cousin was fixated on killing herself with a gun, and was successful for 18 months until she found her brother’s weapon. We can’t know what went through her mind. We do know, from the suicide data, that the suicide rate (by any means) dropped after people could no longer jump off the bridge.
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When the point is reached where he/she can't get another, then alternate methods are researched. I've recently had some up and close experience. The woman who owns the roller rink where I volunteer at had two older offspring, daughter and son. 7 years ago the 27 year old daughter a last seen by the grandfather walking down the street in front of his house. (The family owns the whole block) She had a cheerful "hi grampa" as she went by. 1 hour later she threw herself off the Table Rock Lake dam. The 38 year old son, up to a couple of weeks ago, often talked about killing himself after breaking up with his longtime girlfriend. He went the OD drug route. All generations of the extended family are quite the gun enthusiasts, competition, hunting, etc. plenty of easily accessible choices. If you go to the public FB page for Skateworld in Branson, MO. the post on his death is probably still there. My youngest brother about was also a big gun enthusiast, tried to commit suicide about 40 years ago. I found him just in time when stopping by his house unexpected. He also used drugs for the attempt. I know three close experiences aren't necessarily representative, but it kind of helped formed my opinion. This doesn’t really counter Malcom Gladwells argument that people fixate on a suicide method and are less likely to commit suicide if that method goes away. If we’re just swapping tragic suicides, a young man in our neighborhood shot himself when his dad took his phone away, and DHs cousin fought depression for 18 months until her brother moved back home with his handgun. Could be DHs cousin was fixated on killing herself with a gun, and was successful for 18 months until she found her brother’s weapon. We can’t know what went through her mind. We do know, from the suicide data, that the suicide rate (by any means) dropped after people could no longer jump off the bridge. Interesting. But it does make some sense. If you are depressed enough to plan it, you probably envision how you will be found or not and how people will feel once they discover you.
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When the point is reached where he/she can't get another, then alternate methods are researched. I've recently had some up and close experience. The woman who owns the roller rink where I volunteer at had two older offspring, daughter and son. 7 years ago the 27 year old daughter a last seen by the grandfather walking down the street in front of his house. (The family owns the whole block) She had a cheerful "hi grampa" as she went by. 1 hour later she threw herself off the Table Rock Lake dam. The 38 year old son, up to a couple of weeks ago, often talked about killing himself after breaking up with his longtime girlfriend. He went the OD drug route. All generations of the extended family are quite the gun enthusiasts, competition, hunting, etc. plenty of easily accessible choices. If you go to the public FB page for Skateworld in Branson, MO. the post on his death is probably still there. My youngest brother about was also a big gun enthusiast, tried to commit suicide about 40 years ago. I found him just in time when stopping by his house unexpected. He also used drugs for the attempt. I know three close experiences aren't necessarily representative, but it kind of helped formed my opinion. This doesn’t really counter Malcom Gladwells argument that people fixate on a suicide method and are less likely to commit suicide if that method goes away. If we’re just swapping tragic suicides, a young man in our neighborhood shot himself when his dad took his phone away, and DHs cousin fought depression for 18 months until her brother moved back home with his handgun. Could be DHs cousin was fixated on killing herself with a gun, and was successful for 18 months until she found her brother’s weapon. We can’t know what went through her mind. We do know, from the suicide data, that the suicide rate (by any means) dropped after people could no longer jump off the bridge. Wasn't really trying to counter the argument per say. I consider one means as good as another. I don't know the timeframe studied on the bridge jumping. Collective behavior is always present.
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Yeah, you look would of had to read the last sentence of my post to see that I already said that. You're using gun owners acceptability of use as a reason ? Doesn't sit well with the association with criminals, or requiring a need/privilege to excercise a constitutional right. I read your post from first sentence to last. Was the final sentence to wishy washy ?
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The means of suicide are not interchangeable. Different methods have different "success rates". That is, if you truly care about suicide prevention, restricting access to firearms in suicidal people is potentially lifesaving.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 29, 2021 17:31:34 GMT -5
I read your post from first sentence to last. Was the final sentence to wishy washy ? It was your use of the word "representative". As you describe them, they are simply not relevant to the topic of alternative methods.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 29, 2021 18:55:05 GMT -5
The means of suicide are not interchangeable. Different methods have different "success rates". That is, if you truly care about suicide prevention, restricting access to firearms in suicidal people is potentially lifesaving. I think men especially like to use guns. Guns don’t really allow for reflection, either. If you take sleeping pills or cut your wrists you still have a small window of time to change your mind and call for help.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 29, 2021 19:00:55 GMT -5
The means of suicide are not interchangeable. Different methods have different "success rates". That is, if you truly care about suicide prevention, restricting access to firearms in suicidal people is potentially lifesaving. I think men especially like to use guns. Guns don’t really allow for reflection, either. If you take sleeping pills or cut your wrists you still have a small window of time to change your mind and call for help. Correct. Women make more attempts, men are more successful. It all has to do with the method used
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 29, 2021 19:01:16 GMT -5
This doesn’t really counter Malcom Gladwells argument that people fixate on a suicide method and are less likely to commit suicide if that method goes away. If we’re just swapping tragic suicides, a young man in our neighborhood shot himself when his dad took his phone away, and DHs cousin fought depression for 18 months until her brother moved back home with his handgun. Could be DHs cousin was fixated on killing herself with a gun, and was successful for 18 months until she found her brother’s weapon. We can’t know what went through her mind. We do know, from the suicide data, that the suicide rate (by any means) dropped after people could no longer jump off the bridge. Interesting. But it does make some sense. If you are depressed enough to plan it, you probably envision how you will be found or not and how people will feel once they discover you. Glad we’ll interviewed a guy who thought about jumping off the bridge, and he said whenever he drove past it, or saw a picture of it, or the shape of it from blocks away, he felt suicidal. He also felt drawn to it. He thought about it obsessively. Then they put the nets along the sides, and he no longer obsessed about it, and his suicidal thoughts eventually receded. It’s weird - I’ve never been suicidal so I don’t know how suicidal people think, but I did not think they had those kinds of thoughts.
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Was the final sentence to wishy washy ? It was your use of the word "representative". As you describe them, they are simply not relevant to the topic of alternative methods. Yet they are alternatives to using a firearm, and relevant. It's been my experience that using guns to kill oneself is a far bigger issue for those on the antigun side of the fence. A correlation between weapon and death, something you can take away. For me, you are not going to stop them unless you remove the root cause, sounds cold, but even the immediate family members who try to intervene and get them help often fail. If we take away self defense/hunting tools, put nets at bridges, anything, it's just a temporary attempt at a fix. A more after the fact "I did something to possibly end the pain of losing some one I love and failed", and the empathy that goes with it that others are feeling/sharing. Dysregulated behavior seldom ends in suicide, but as it becomes the normal for the affected person, the next step becomes easier. Guns, our current form of seppuku.
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The means of suicide are not interchangeable. Different methods have different "success rates". That is, if you truly care about suicide prevention, restricting access to firearms in suicidal people is potentially lifesaving. Straight jackets, padded rooms are even more effective. The most effective ? Drug induced coma. It's 100% effective.
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It was your use of the word "representative". As you describe them, they are simply not relevant to the topic of alternative methods. Yet they are alternatives to using a firearm, and relevant. It's been my experience that using guns to kill oneself is a far bigger issue for those on the antigun side of the fence. A correlation between weapon and death, something you can take away. For me, you are not going to stop them unless you remove the root cause, sounds cold, but even the immediate family members who try to intervene and get them help often fail. If we take away self defense/hunting tools, put nets at bridges, anything, it's just a temporary attempt at a fix. A more after the fact "I did something to possibly end the pain of losing some one I love and failed", and the empathy that goes with it that others are feeling/sharing. Dysregulated behavior seldom ends in suicide, but as it becomes the normal for the affected person, the next step becomes easier. Guns, our current form of seppuku. What was offered was that an individual obsesses on an individual way to kill themselves and if their individual preferred way to kill themselves is thwarted, that individual is not likely to switch to a different way to kill themselves. You offered three situations in which people killed themselves in a specific way with no evidence that they considered a different method which was thwarted.
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Yet they are alternatives to using a firearm, and relevant. It's been my experience that using guns to kill oneself is a far bigger issue for those on the antigun side of the fence. A correlation between weapon and death, something you can take away. For me, you are not going to stop them unless you remove the root cause, sounds cold, but even the immediate family members who try to intervene and get them help often fail. If we take away self defense/hunting tools, put nets at bridges, anything, it's just a temporary attempt at a fix. A more after the fact "I did something to possibly end the pain of losing some one I love and failed", and the empathy that goes with it that others are feeling/sharing. Dysregulated behavior seldom ends in suicide, but as it becomes the normal for the affected person, the next step becomes easier. Guns, our current form of seppuku. What was offered was that an individual obsesses on an individual way to kill themselves and if their individual preferred way to kill themselves is thwarted, that individual is not likely to switch to a different way to kill themselves. You offered three situations in which people killed themselves in a specific way with no evidence that they considered a different method which was thwarted. And ? Because I didn't offer any information on attempts at different methods, it means it didn't happen ? Are you familiar with false dichotomy ?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 29, 2021 19:48:44 GMT -5
The means of suicide are not interchangeable. Different methods have different "success rates". That is, if you truly care about suicide prevention, restricting access to firearms in suicidal people is potentially lifesaving. Straight jackets, padded rooms are even more effective. The most effective ? Drug induced coma. It's 100% effective. That’s a good conservative. Make fun of people with a serious medical problem and make light of this issue. Never care about something until it affects you. In addition, you sure know how to use your PhD in psych. You should know this, but I guess you do not care
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What was offered was that an individual obsesses on an individual way to kill themselves and if their individual preferred way to kill themselves is thwarted, that individual is not likely to switch to a different way to kill themselves. You offered three situations in which people killed themselves in a specific way with no evidence that they considered a different method which was thwarted. And ? Because I didn't offer any information on attempts at different methods, it means it didn't happen ? Are you familiar with false dichotomy ? Offering any such information would certainly add value to the discussion.
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Post by Opti on Mar 29, 2021 20:19:47 GMT -5
When the point is reached where he/she can't get another, then alternate methods are researched. I've recently had some up and close experience. The woman who owns the roller rink where I volunteer at had two older offspring, daughter and son. 7 years ago the 27 year old daughter a last seen by the grandfather walking down the street in front of his house. (The family owns the whole block) She had a cheerful "hi grampa" as she went by. 1 hour later she threw herself off the Table Rock Lake dam. The 38 year old son, up to a couple of weeks ago, often talked about killing himself after breaking up with his longtime girlfriend. He went the OD drug route. All generations of the extended family are quite the gun enthusiasts, competition, hunting, etc. plenty of easily accessible choices. If you go to the public FB page for Skateworld in Branson, MO. the post on his death is probably still there. My youngest brother about was also a big gun enthusiast, tried to commit suicide about 40 years ago. I found him just in time when stopping by his house unexpected. He also used drugs for the attempt. I know three close experiences aren't necessarily representative, but it kind of helped formed my opinion. Your three examples do not counter the argument that people who consider suicide fixate on one method and if that method becomes unavailable, switch to another. As to the "gun enthusiast" part, I offer the theory that because guns were such an integral part of living, they weren't considered as an acceptable way to die by these particular individuals. Not all suicides use guns. Sounds like the three examples all planned to use other methods. Having a gun lifestyle does not prove or say anything about whether they used their first choice method or not, but I expect they did. Some people are cheerful the day they choose to commit suicide because they are choosing to end the pain. Jumping to one's death is a popular choice, much like a gun because odds of success are high and once you pull the trigger or jump there is no changing one's mind. It seems reasonable a gun enthusiast would not choose a gun as their preferred method of suicide as they would not want to leave a legacy that would tarnish their family and friends view of guns by leaving an image of them with a hole in their head and possibly lots of blood. OD on drugs could give a prettier looking corpse.
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Post by Opti on Mar 29, 2021 20:21:28 GMT -5
This futile resistance to the development of a Billtopia must cease. You obviously need a thread extolling the virtues of Billtopia and plans to achieve it.
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This futile resistance to the development of a Billtopia must cease. You obviously need a thread extolling the virtues of Billtopia and plans to achieve it. The entirety of my posting history on this board does that. Containing it within a single thread is not possible
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 29, 2021 20:59:21 GMT -5
This doesn’t really counter Malcom Gladwells argument that people fixate on a suicide method and are less likely to commit suicide if that method goes away. If we’re just swapping tragic suicides, a young man in our neighborhood shot himself when his dad took his phone away, and DHs cousin fought depression for 18 months until her brother moved back home with his handgun. Could be DHs cousin was fixated on killing herself with a gun, and was successful for 18 months until she found her brother’s weapon. We can’t know what went through her mind. We do know, from the suicide data, that the suicide rate (by any means) dropped after people could no longer jump off the bridge. Interesting. But it does make some sense. If you are depressed enough to plan it, you probably envision how you will be found or not and how people will feel once they discover you. Maybe. Maybe not. I have trouble applying "makes sense" logic to a variety of tragically depressed people hitting a new low. I'm sure some think through all of the consequences. Others may think up to the point where their life ends, and never consider the aftermath.
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Post by Opti on Mar 29, 2021 22:27:55 GMT -5
Interesting. But it does make some sense. If you are depressed enough to plan it, you probably envision how you will be found or not and how people will feel once they discover you. Maybe. Maybe not. I have trouble applying "makes sense" logic to a variety of tragically depressed people hitting a new low. I'm sure some think through all of the consequences. Others may think up to the point where their life ends, and never consider the aftermath. I understand there would be quibbles on degrees of planning which are going to vary. However, jumping off a high enough bridge will take a little more planning and time than just picking up a gun and killing yourself. Sure some people don't care about the aftermath or are in enough pain they don't even think about it. There are also people who tidy up their places before killing themselves because they do think about what people will think when they are dead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 6:42:45 GMT -5
Straight jackets, padded rooms are even more effective. The most effective ? Drug induced coma. It's 100% effective. That’s a good conservative. Make fun of people with a serious medical problem and make light of this issue. Never care about something until it affects you. In addition, you sure know how to use your PhD in psych. You should know this, but I guess you do not care I was expounding on you astute observation that restricting access to a gun from people trying to kill themselves with one, will potentially reduce suicide. Do these brilliant deductions come about because of your highly educated mind ? Or like a good liberal, it is the correct thing to do because of your political position ? At least you know things and care deeply about everyone around you. Please let me know sooner on what I'm doing, thinking, and caring about. It will be much appreciated. I'm trying to conform to a higher, more acceptible standard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 6:50:30 GMT -5
And ? Because I didn't offer any information on attempts at different methods, it means it didn't happen ? Are you familiar with false dichotomy ? Offering any such information would certainly add value to the discussion. I will then agree with pulmonarymd that removing access to guns, will potentially reduce suicides if a person is looking to kill themselves by that method. I don't have any other value contributions at this time. Please disregard my personal suicide experiences, they are not representative of suicide in general.
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