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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 27, 2021 14:19:07 GMT -5
No, that isn’t why I brought it up. You started the race discussion by blaming gun violence on white males. I called BS and posted stats to back up what I was saying. Facts aren’t a conservative spin. No, no, no!! Not a red squirrel. A gray squirrel. Again, you started with the raging white male being the cause of gun violence. I refuted you with facts. That isn’t deflection. What you are doing is deflection.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 27, 2021 14:25:39 GMT -5
No, no, no!! Not a red squirrel. A gray squirrel. Again, you started with the raging white male being the cause of gun violence. I refuted you with facts. That isn’t deflection. What you are doing is deflection. I found this to be an interesting opinion piece: Mass shootings show what is poisoning American democracy
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Post by Opti on Mar 27, 2021 14:34:03 GMT -5
The focus of the article is mass shooting perpetrated by white males. Which again, account for .2% of all gun killings. No liberal will discuss or acknowledge that blacks have more of a gun problem that the lone white mass shooter. How many blacks are shot deaf each week in Chicago? Why is there more of an uproar when I white male kills 8 people? Do those black lives not matter? When the basis of an article is the bad white male when discussing guns, I know it is biased. If black lives mattered maybe there should be a discussion on the evil black man killing other black people, along with the evil, raging, white male. I wish someone didn't feel compelled to bring up black on black shootings whenever mass shootings are discussed. Solving the mass shooting issue is different than solving the many issues lumped into blacks shooting blacks. Check out the pie chart below. Civilian self defense only accounts for .75% of all firearm homicides but its touted as the biggest reason Americans must have their guns. Suicide and gang related murder are more than 75% of gun deaths. Why is that not trotted out instead of the OMG black people killing black people thing. So you know what's generally not on national news? Suicides and gang related murders.
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Post by Opti on Mar 27, 2021 14:45:33 GMT -5
What does your stat have to do with young white men committing mass shootings? Columbine, Aurora theatre shooting, and now the grocery store shootings have mostly white victims. Does that make it better? We as a society are more horrified by unexpected violence versus expected violence. If you go somewhere and there is a high expectation you might be shot, you prepare for that. Most of us don't want to spend our whole days that way. Bills railed on about white rage and gun violence being a white person’s birthright. If you do research, more black males commit murder than white people and they obviously have a much smaller % of the population. Research shows that white men are much more likely to die from suicide by gun while black males are much more likely to be murdered by gun (going from memory, it was either 14x or 20x more likely than a white person). Even with the above stats, liberals blame white males for gun violence. Is that because it is the white males that put the white liberals at risk? Blacks kill each other so who cares? Or is it white guilt that makes you overlook the fact that it isn’t the white males that have a much higher % of homicide by gun? Bills quoted an article. True or false? Do most Americans or most conservative Americans consider Second Amendment rights their birthright?
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Post by Opti on Mar 27, 2021 15:08:03 GMT -5
No, no, no!! Not a red squirrel. A gray squirrel. Again, you started with the raging white male being the cause of gun violence. I refuted you with facts. That isn’t deflection. What you are doing is deflection. No. He posted a blurb and you decided to read it as if it said white males are the cause of most gun violence. Join us next week, when we discuss the re-opening of schools and get derailed by some wanting to discuss under performing inner city schools or evil vaccines.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 27, 2021 15:40:35 GMT -5
Bills railed on about white rage and gun violence being a white person’s birthright. If you do research, more black males commit murder than white people and they obviously have a much smaller % of the population. Research shows that white men are much more likely to die from suicide by gun while black males are much more likely to be murdered by gun (going from memory, it was either 14x or 20x more likely than a white person). Even with the above stats, liberals blame white males for gun violence. Is that because it is the white males that put the white liberals at risk? Blacks kill each other so who cares? Or is it white guilt that makes you overlook the fact that it isn’t the white males that have a much higher % of homicide by gun? Bills quoted an article. True or false? Do most Americans or most conservative Americans consider Second Amendment rights their birthright? Armed White men who showed up at a Black family's home were acquitted. Now, they want an apology
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Post by Opti on Mar 27, 2021 16:31:43 GMT -5
Damn. Going at 10PM to anyone's house with fifteen people is pretty outrageous unless you are invited to go to a party. Perhaps if they really wanted to restore their reputations they would apologize publicly for being dumbasses. Not ask for an apology. I'm glad no one got hurt, but I don't know if I'd sleep well if I answered the door and saw that even if they didn't try to come in.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 27, 2021 18:07:51 GMT -5
Talking about ways of preventing mass shootings is so inconvenient. Sure, your odds are small of ever being involved in one. But, a so called “responsible” gun owner, who bonded with her son over guns, was killed by said child and then he murdered 20 5 and 6 yo, whose only crime was going to school. Yet we continue to insist there is nothing we can do about something like this. People who even refuse to discuss possible solutions are heartless, uncaring, or complicit. This is insanity.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 27, 2021 19:43:45 GMT -5
Talking about ways of preventing mass shootings is so inconvenient. Sure, your odds are small of ever being involved in one. But, a so called “responsible” gun owner, who bonded with her son over guns, was killed by said child and then he murdered 20 5 and 6 yo, whose only crime was going to school. Yet we continue to insist there is nothing we can do about something like this. People who even refuse to discuss possible solutions are heartless, uncaring, or complicit. This is insanity. Or they just bought into the NRA scare tactics that the government would seize all the weapons and then become a fascist state. NRA is the gun manufacturers group lobby and they’ll say anything to keep money flowing into their coffers. The gun nuts are being played.
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Post by Opti on Mar 28, 2021 7:46:16 GMT -5
Maybe Fox or other RW news sources are teaching their listeners to have knee jerk reactions to any discussion on mass shootings because the majority of them are white males? I think it hurts some people as they believe in some sort of white exceptionalism where they also have black people or other groups to point at that are worse instead of considering a behavior needs to be changed. Note blacks shooting blacks weren't brought up when there was that mass shooting done by Muslims at a Christmas party. Although while males do lead the mass shooters list, there are black, Latino, and other shooters as well. I think a smart approach would be to address both sides of the issue. The rage that propels someone to do this and guns which are the means. Updated database from Mother Jones at this link. Look how deadly and how many people are impacted from some of these. El Paso Walmart shooting 48 people. Las Vegas massacre over 600 people. www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
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Post by Opti on Mar 28, 2021 8:37:57 GMT -5
I think I found the study Miss T was talking about. One thing to notice is how much the numbers can vary from state to state. The difference is stark especially IMO on the homicide stats. I also in the name of research found numbers on homicides by race by cops. My guess is this may vary a lot from state to state. Using an estimate I came up with about 7% of the homicides per year are by cop. My guess is that also varies significantly from state to state. If cops kill black men roughly at the rate of 4 to 1, on average those numbers would be impacted by cop killings to the degree of 5.6% on average versus only around 1.4% of the total homicides for whites. From the differences in the CNN link, I expect that the impact of cops killing blacks could affect some states numbers as much as 10% and perhaps as low as 2% somewhere else. www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/health/gun-deaths-in-men-by-state-study/index.htmlwww.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 28, 2021 11:01:28 GMT -5
Again, you started with the raging white male being the cause of gun violence. I refuted you with facts. That isn’t deflection. What you are doing is deflection. No. He posted a blurb and you decided to read it as if it said white males are the cause of most gun violence. Join us next week, when we discuss the re-opening of schools and get derailed by some wanting to discuss under performing inner city schools or evil vaccines. But limiting the easy access to guns and ending racist police violence will not eradicate White rage. That day will only come when the nation collectively re-imagines the contours of American identity so thoroughly that no citizen will ever again consider gun violence committed by White males a unique national birthright.
Above is what I replied to. You can claim that I brought race into it all you want but I literally replied to a "blurb" calling gun violence by white males a unique national birthright. The topic of this thread is mass shootings, which accounts for .2% of gun homicides...but gun violence is a national birthright of white males? When I posted the stats that gun violence is much more prevalent by a black male, I get accused of deflection.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 28, 2021 11:05:16 GMT -5
Maybe Fox or other RW news sources are teaching their listeners to have knee jerk reactions to any discussion on mass shootings because the majority of them are white males? I think it hurts some people as they believe in some sort of white exceptionalism where they also have black people or other groups to point at that are worse instead of considering a behavior needs to be changed. Note blacks shooting blacks weren't brought up when there was that mass shooting done by Muslims at a Christmas party. Although while males do lead the mass shooters list, there are black, Latino, and other shooters as well. I think a smart approach would be to address both sides of the issue. The rage that propels someone to do this and guns which are the means. Updated database from Mother Jones at this link. Look how deadly and how many people are impacted from some of these. El Paso Walmart shooting 48 people. Las Vegas massacre over 600 people. www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/Actually, it is the left that has the knee jerk reaction when a shooting happens by a white male. Again, they are .2% of the issue but to read this thread, we are all at major risk from the white male. I mean, gun violence is apparently the birthright of white males....I can't figure out why they aren't a much higher % of gun homicides, though I'm not justifying any murders, whether the offender is black or white. But liberals focus on a very small % of the gun homicides and blame white males for gun violence. Why ignore the truth?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 28, 2021 11:11:26 GMT -5
The focus of the article is mass shooting perpetrated by white males. Which again, account for .2% of all gun killings. No liberal will discuss or acknowledge that blacks have more of a gun problem that the lone white mass shooter. How many blacks are shot deaf each week in Chicago? Why is there more of an uproar when I white male kills 8 people? Do those black lives not matter? When the basis of an article is the bad white male when discussing guns, I know it is biased. If black lives mattered maybe there should be a discussion on the evil black man killing other black people, along with the evil, raging, white male. I wish someone didn't feel compelled to bring up black on black shootings whenever mass shootings are discussed. Solving the mass shooting issue is different than solving the many issues lumped into blacks shooting blacks. Check out the pie chart below. Civilian self defense only accounts for .75% of all firearm homicides but its touted as the biggest reason Americans must have their guns. Suicide and gang related murder are more than 75% of gun deaths. Why is that not trotted out instead of the OMG black people killing black people thing. So you know what's generally not on national news? Suicides and gang related murders. Let me kick it back to you. Mass shootings account for only .2% of shootings, while civilian self-defense accounts 3.75 times more...if mass shootings are such a huge issue and so significant, why would self defense shootings not be significant? I mean, self defense shootings are almost 4 to 1 with mass shootings. You also proved my point with this chart. Suicides and gang shootings are about 80% of this pie, leaving only 20% of gun violence to be other. It seems if we want to make this country safer, we should be focusing on more than the angry white male who accounts for .2% of the shootings (I'm speaking of the mass shootings that this thread is about). If someone is hell bent on killing themselves, I'm not sure how much removing their guns will help. Plenty of ways to kill yourself. Women typically choose overdose while men typically choose guns. Take the guns and it's pretty safe to guess men will find another way.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 28, 2021 11:21:57 GMT -5
I wish someone didn't feel compelled to bring up black on black shootings whenever mass shootings are discussed. Solving the mass shooting issue is different than solving the many issues lumped into blacks shooting blacks. Check out the pie chart below. Civilian self defense only accounts for .75% of all firearm homicides but its touted as the biggest reason Americans must have their guns. Suicide and gang related murder are more than 75% of gun deaths. Why is that not trotted out instead of the OMG black people killing black people thing. So you know what's generally not on national news? Suicides and gang related murders. Let me kick it back to you. Mass shootings account for only .2% of shootings, while civilian self-defense accounts 3.75 times more...if mass shootings are such a huge issue and so significant, why would self defense shootings not be significant? I mean, self defense shootings are almost 4 to 1 with mass shootings. You also proved my point with this chart. Suicides and gang shootings are about 80% of this pie, leaving only 20% of gun violence to be other. It seems if we want to make this country safer, we should be focusing on more than the angry white male who accounts for .2% of the shootings (I'm speaking of the mass shootings that this thread is about). If someone is hell bent on killing themselves, I'm not sure how much removing their guns will help. Plenty of ways to kill yourself. Women typically choose overdose while men typically choose guns. Take the guns and it's pretty safe to guess men will find another way. About suicides. Women attempt more suicides than men, but men are more successful. Why? Because they chose more effective methods. Overdose is quite inefficient unless you inject opioids. Studies have shown that interventions surrounding gun purchases can make an impact on the number of suicides due to firearms, as they are frequently impulsive acts. Sure, there are some people who are so intent on committing suicide that they will eventually be successful, but intervention can save many lives. Most people who attempt suicide and who are treated are relieved they were not successful. Getting people adequate mental health treatment is also necessary, but is a different issue
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 28, 2021 11:28:35 GMT -5
No. He posted a blurb and you decided to read it as if it said white males are the cause of most gun violence. Join us next week, when we discuss the re-opening of schools and get derailed by some wanting to discuss under performing inner city schools or evil vaccines. But limiting the easy access to guns and ending racist police violence will not eradicate White rage. That day will only come when the nation collectively re-imagines the contours of American identity so thoroughly that no citizen will ever again consider gun violence committed by White males a unique national birthright.
Above is what I replied to. You can claim that I brought race into it all you want but I literally replied to a "blurb" calling gun violence by white males a unique national birthright. The topic of this thread is mass shootings, which accounts for .2% of gun homicides...but gun violence is a national birthright of white males? When I posted the stats that gun violence is much more prevalent by a black male, I get accused of deflection. Gun violence is more prevalent by a black male AND gun violence is a national birthright of white males. The first does not make the second untrue. And the second is what was brought up. "Yeah but (the second)" is deflection from that topic. Ending the birthright of all Americans to use guns to settle disputes will cut down on gun violence in black communities even if it is predominately down to eliminate white male violence.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 28, 2021 11:47:21 GMT -5
Let me kick it back to you. Mass shootings account for only .2% of shootings, while civilian self-defense accounts 3.75 times more...if mass shootings are such a huge issue and so significant, why would self defense shootings not be significant? I mean, self defense shootings are almost 4 to 1 with mass shootings. You also proved my point with this chart. Suicides and gang shootings are about 80% of this pie, leaving only 20% of gun violence to be other. It seems if we want to make this country safer, we should be focusing on more than the angry white male who accounts for .2% of the shootings (I'm speaking of the mass shootings that this thread is about). If someone is hell bent on killing themselves, I'm not sure how much removing their guns will help. Plenty of ways to kill yourself. Women typically choose overdose while men typically choose guns. Take the guns and it's pretty safe to guess men will find another way. About suicides. Women attempt more suicides than men, but men are more successful. Why? Because they chose more effective methods. Overdose is quite inefficient unless you inject opioids. Studies have shown that interventions surrounding gun purchases can make an impact on the number of suicides due to firearms, as they are frequently impulsive acts. Sure, there are some people who are so intent on committing suicide that they will eventually be successful, but intervention can save many lives. Most people who attempt suicide and who are treated are relieved they were not successful. Getting people adequate mental health treatment is also necessary, but is a different issue A similar argument can be made regarding gang violence. Minimizing gun usage would cut down on deaths, especially to innocent bystanders.
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But limiting the easy access to guns and ending racist police violence will not eradicate White rage. That day will only come when the nation collectively re-imagines the contours of American identity so thoroughly that no citizen will ever again consider gun violence committed by White males a unique national birthright.
Above is what I replied to. You can claim that I brought race into it all you want but I literally replied to a "blurb" calling gun violence by white males a unique national birthright. The topic of this thread is mass shootings, which accounts for .2% of gun homicides...but gun violence is a national birthright of white males? When I posted the stats that gun violence is much more prevalent by a black male, I get accused of deflection. Gun violence is more prevalent by a black male AND gun violence is a national birthright of white males. The first does not make the second untrue. And the second is what was brought up. "Yeah but (the second)" is deflection from that topic. Ending the birthright of all Americans to use guns to settle disputes will cut down on gun violence in black communities even if it is predominately down to eliminate white male violence. How can you claim it is a white male birthright when you also say gun violence is much more prevalent by black males? That sounds to me that it is a black male birthright more than a white male birthright. Not deflection at all. But when you claim the violence is due to white males and then admit it is the black males killing most with guns, well that’s just lunacy. If you solve white man rage you will have stopped .2% of the shootings. What about the rest? Or is it only the white lives you are concerned about? Because I personally am much more at risk of being killed by a white man in one of those .2% shootings. But to focus our energy there says you only care about saving the white lives lost to gun violence.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 28, 2021 11:59:58 GMT -5
About suicides. Women attempt more suicides than men, but men are more successful. Why? Because they chose more effective methods. Overdose is quite inefficient unless you inject opioids. Studies have shown that interventions surrounding gun purchases can make an impact on the number of suicides due to firearms, as they are frequently impulsive acts. Sure, there are some people who are so intent on committing suicide that they will eventually be successful, but intervention can save many lives. Most people who attempt suicide and who are treated are relieved they were not successful. Getting people adequate mental health treatment is also necessary, but is a different issue A similar argument can be made regarding gang violence. Minimizing gun usage would cut down on deaths, especially to innocent bystanders. Do you really think gang members are going to hand in their guns? I mean, they follow so many laws to begin with
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 28, 2021 12:03:38 GMT -5
A similar argument can be made regarding gang violence. Minimizing gun usage would cut down on deaths, especially to innocent bystanders. Do you really think gang members are going to hand in their guns? I mean, they follow so many laws to begin with Who is talking about anyone handing in their guns?
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Gun violence is more prevalent by a black male AND gun violence is a national birthright of white males. The first does not make the second untrue. And the second is what was brought up. "Yeah but (the second)" is deflection from that topic. Ending the birthright of all Americans to use guns to settle disputes will cut down on gun violence in black communities even if it is predominately down to eliminate white male violence. How can you claim it is a white male birthright when you also say gun violence is much more prevalent by black males? That sounds to me that it is a black male birthright more than a white male birthright. Not deflection at all. But when you claim the violence is due to white males and then admit it is the black males killing most with guns, well that’s just lunacy. If you solve white man rage you will have stopped .2% of the shootings. What about the rest? Or is it only the white lives you are concerned about? Because I personally am much more at risk of being killed by a white man in one of those .2% shootings. But to focus our energy there says you only care about saving the white lives lost to gun violence. I can claim it because I am not hung up on "more". Male privilege is a reality and felt to be a birthright by many in our society. White males certainly benefit "more" than males of other races, but it is not negated by race.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 28, 2021 12:49:41 GMT -5
How can you claim it is a white male birthright when you also say gun violence is much more prevalent by black males? That sounds to me that it is a black male birthright more than a white male birthright. Not deflection at all. But when you claim the violence is due to white males and then admit it is the black males killing most with guns, well that’s just lunacy. If you solve white man rage you will have stopped .2% of the shootings. What about the rest? Or is it only the white lives you are concerned about? Because I personally am much more at risk of being killed by a white man in one of those .2% shootings. But to focus our energy there says you only care about saving the white lives lost to gun violence. I can claim it because I am not hung up on "more". Male privilege is a reality and felt to be a birthright by many in our society. White males certainly benefit "more" than males of other races, but it is not negated by race. You can claim whatever you want. It doesn’t make it true. We do have a gun violence issue but one that one be solved by stopping .2% of the shootings. It will make white people feel safer since those .2% of shootings kill more Whitt people.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 28, 2021 13:07:23 GMT -5
I can claim it because I am not hung up on "more". Male privilege is a reality and felt to be a birthright by many in our society. White males certainly benefit "more" than males of other races, but it is not negated by race. You can claim whatever you want. It doesn’t make it true. We do have a gun violence issue but one that one be solved by stopping .2% of the shootings. It will make white people feel safer since those .2% of shootings kill more Whitt people. Creating a culture in which the way to deal with conflict is not to pull out a gun and start shooting will make everyone safer. The 2nd Amendment makes doing so a birthright for all Americans. Any race. Any gender. Any age. Any mood. The 2nd Amendment makes doing so a birthright for all Americans. Having the necessary votes to repeal it will be the tipping point in the development of that culture. There will still be gun ownership and gun violence just as there is in all cultures. There will still be murders, suicide attempts (successful and not) and other violence.
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Gun violence is more prevalent by a black male AND gun violence is a national birthright of white males. The first does not make the second untrue. And the second is what was brought up. "Yeah but (the second)" is deflection from that topic. Ending the birthright of all Americans to use guns to settle disputes will cut down on gun violence in black communities even if it is predominately down to eliminate white male violence. How can you claim it is a white male birthright when you also say gun violence is much more prevalent by black males? That sounds to me that it is a black male birthright more than a white male birthright. Not deflection at all. But when you claim the violence is due to white males and then admit it is the black males killing most with guns, well that’s just lunacy. If you solve white man rage you will have stopped .2% of the shootings. What about the rest? Or is it only the white lives you are concerned about? Because I personally am much more at risk of being killed by a white man in one of those .2% shootings. But to focus our energy there says you only care about saving the white lives lost to gun violence. I’m not sure why you keep stating that white male rage only accounts for 0.2 percent of deaths - that’s just mass murder deaths. See the big green piece of the pie - murder by other means? Wanna guess how many of those are an angry boyfriend or husband who killed his partner? Males killing their partners have become such a trite occurrence when a woman shows up dead, their partner is the primary suspect. Toxic masculinity spoils the party again. Yes, this applies to all races of men, but some of them are white.
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Post by Opti on Mar 28, 2021 19:37:19 GMT -5
I wish someone didn't feel compelled to bring up black on black shootings whenever mass shootings are discussed. Solving the mass shooting issue is different than solving the many issues lumped into blacks shooting blacks. Check out the pie chart below. Civilian self defense only accounts for .75% of all firearm homicides but its touted as the biggest reason Americans must have their guns. Suicide and gang related murder are more than 75% of gun deaths. Why is that not trotted out instead of the OMG black people killing black people thing. So you know what's generally not on national news? Suicides and gang related murders. Let me kick it back to you. Mass shootings account for only .2% of shootings, while civilian self-defense accounts 3.75 times more...if mass shootings are such a huge issue and so significant, why would self defense shootings not be significant? I mean, self defense shootings are almost 4 to 1 with mass shootings. You also proved my point with this chart. Suicides and gang shootings are about 80% of this pie, leaving only 20% of gun violence to be other. It seems if we want to make this country safer, we should be focusing on more than the angry white male who accounts for .2% of the shootings (I'm speaking of the mass shootings that this thread is about). If someone is hell bent on killing themselves, I'm not sure how much removing their guns will help. Plenty of ways to kill yourself. Women typically choose overdose while men typically choose guns. Take the guns and it's pretty safe to guess men will find another way. Why are mass shootings a big deal? They are unexpected. Now why do I and many not care about civilian self-defense deaths? I'm not planning on breaking into homes, car-jacking or other criminal activities that might get me shot. And, if I don't own a firearm, what pieces of the pie do I care about? Mass shootings Murder not gang related Police shootings
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Post by azucena on Mar 28, 2021 21:45:26 GMT -5
Or if I'm sending my kids to school where they have to practice active shooter drills as often as fire drills starting in preschool bc someone can get an automatic weapon and take out dozens.
And I'll throw in another vote for black on black crime being significantly related to their poverty. Throw in the well deserved psyche of anger and oppression that linger from slavery and fester from racism and there is little doubt in my mind about what makes them a dry powder keg.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 28, 2021 22:55:32 GMT -5
Why don't we take the matter of race out of it completely and stipulate that police are authorized (ordered) to shoot to kill anyone carrying a gun in public regardless of race? That would make it all equal for everybody, right?
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Post by dondub on Mar 29, 2021 1:05:42 GMT -5
It’s a white male birthright because white males wrote the Constitution, white males wrote the second amendment, and white males on the SCOTUS affirmed the right of white male individuals (and others) to own guns.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 29, 2021 1:31:43 GMT -5
It’s a white male birthright because white males wrote the Constitution, white males wrote the second amendment, and white males on the SCOTUS affirmed the right of white male individuals (and others) to own guns. Created, not affirmed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 6:52:29 GMT -5
No, that isn’t why I brought it up. You started the race discussion by blaming gun violence on white males. I called BS and posted stats to back up what I was saying. Facts aren’t a conservative spin. No, no, no!! Not a red squirrel. A gray squirrel. Now we enter the billzone of attempted gun control discussion. A place of deep introspection, and quality posting.
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