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Quite the reach there. Seems to match that narrative of gun owners being associated with criminals. Did your teachers also explain to you about rule of law, criminal offense ? That would have been a little over the head of elementary school kids in a lesson on the Bill of Rights. Those who drive on our public roads without a license are criminals while those who are properly licensed are not. Could explain a lot of the self justified mass shootings these days. Teachers not teaching kids it's wrong to shoot someone. I was taught that when I was 6 years old. Easier to blame an inanimate object at a later date ?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 25, 2021 9:28:33 GMT -5
That would have been a little over the head of elementary school kids in a lesson on the Bill of Rights. Those who drive on our public roads without a license are criminals while those who are properly licensed are not. Could explain a lot of the self justified mass shootings these days. Teachers not teaching kids it's wrong to shoot someone. I was taught that when I was 6 years old. Easier to blame an inanimate object at a later date ? Individuals process and retain what they will based on many factors.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 25, 2021 10:32:36 GMT -5
Man with five guns, body armor detained in Atlanta grocery store
A man armed with a rifle entered an Atlanta Publix Supermarket Wednesday in Midtown at Atlantic Station, a commercial and residential area in the city, police said. A witness saw the man entering "the location openly carrying a rifle and entered the bathroom" and alerted the store management and then notified police, according to a preliminary investigation. Officers immediately located and detained the man. During the investigation, officers recovered five firearms (two long guns and three pistols) and body armor, according to the Atlanta Police Department. "When the male exited the bathroom, arriving units immediately detained" him, according to a statement from Atlanta Police Department. The incident comes just two days after a gunman killed 10 people at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado, and just over a week since a shooter killed eight people at spas in the Atlanta area. Atlanta Police say that health officials are conducting a mental health evaluation of the man in custody and that the investigation is still preliminary and continues at this time. Publix in 2019 joined a number of retailers who ask that customers not openly carry guns in their stores in states where open carry is legal. Link here: link This is what this guy brought into the Publix supermarket with him. What was the point? Link: Man arrested at Atlanta grocery with six guns, body armor, police say
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AR-15 pistol vs rifle: Colorado suspect allegedly used a Ruger AR-556 pistol. Here's how it differs from an AR-15-style rifleThe 21-year-old suspect in Monday's massacre at a Boulder, Colorado, supermarket allegedly used a Ruger AR-556 pistol -- what one expert called "a semiautomatic made for combat" that is easy to carry and has "the firepower of a long gun." Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa purchased the weapon six days before the shootings in which 10 people were killed, according to his arrest warrant affidavit. The weapon had been modified with an arm brace, according to a law enforcement source. The Ruger AR-556 is a type of AR-15, the military-style rifle that has been used in many other mass shootings. The pistol version is essentially the same weapon as the rifle but with a shorter 10.5 inch barrel and an adjustable stabilizing brace on the back -- held against the shoulder -- "to aid in accuracy, balance and recoil management," according to the Ruger website. "The AR-15 platform weapon -- whether it's in a long gun or pistol -- essentially has the same firepower. It's a semiautomatic made for combat," said Timothy D. Lytton, a gun industry expert at Georgia State University. "The AR-15 pistol is almost sort of a novelty. Essentially it's the same firearm but with a much shorter barrel, and with a shorter stock, and it's a smaller weapon. So the same way some people might want to drive a sports car because they like the feel of the compactness and the sort of speed, they take essentially a combat weapon or a combat-style weapon and they shrink it all down into sort of a miniature version." Article here: link
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AR-15 pistol vs rifle: Colorado suspect allegedly used a Ruger AR-556 pistol. Here's how it differs from an AR-15-style rifle The 21-year-old suspect in Monday's massacre at a Boulder, Colorado, supermarket allegedly used a Ruger AR-556 pistol -- what one expert called "a semiautomatic made for combat" that is easy to carry and has "the firepower of a long gun." Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa purchased the weapon six days before the shootings in which 10 people were killed, according to his arrest warrant affidavit. The weapon had been modified with an arm brace, according to a law enforcement source. The Ruger AR-556 is a type of AR-15, the military-style rifle that has been used in many other mass shootings. The pistol version is essentially the same weapon as the rifle but with a shorter 10.5 inch barrel and an adjustable stabilizing brace on the back -- held against the shoulder -- "to aid in accuracy, balance and recoil management," according to the Ruger website. "The AR-15 platform weapon -- whether it's in a long gun or pistol -- essentially has the same firepower. It's a semiautomatic made for combat," said Timothy D. Lytton, a gun industry expert at Georgia State University. "The AR-15 pistol is almost sort of a novelty. Essentially it's the same firearm but with a much shorter barrel, and with a shorter stock, and it's a smaller weapon. So the same way some people might want to drive a sports car because they like the feel of the compactness and the sort of speed, they take essentially a combat weapon or a combat-style weapon and they shrink it all down into sort of a miniature version." Article here: linkTimothy D. Lytton is a Distinguished University Professor and Professor of Law at Georgia State University in Atlanta where he teaches torts, administrative law, and regulatory science. theconversation.com/profiles/timothy-d-lytton-198672 Oh wait, CNN article.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 15:03:49 GMT -5
Could explain a lot of the self justified mass shootings these days. Teachers not teaching kids it's wrong to shoot someone. I was taught that when I was 6 years old. Easier to blame an inanimate object at a later date ? Individuals process and retain what they will based on many factors. Individuals also process and retain when empty conversational filler is used.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 18:25:38 GMT -5
Quite the reach there. Seems to match that narrative of gun owners being associated with criminals. Did your teachers also explain to you about rule of law, criminal offense ? That would have been a little over the head of elementary school kids in a lesson on the Bill of Rights. Those who drive on our public roads without a license are criminals while those who are properly licensed are not. Driving is a privilege, not a right enshrined as an amendment to the constitution. Gun ownership is a right, enshrined as an amendment to our constitution. Gun rights doesn't mean above the law. If a child is old enough to understand the Bill of Rights and ready to learn it, they are also ready to learn that those rights aren't without limits. One could say that is an important part of learning about the Bill of Rights. Calling in a bomb threat to your local high school, won't be protected by the First Amendment.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 25, 2021 23:17:55 GMT -5
Interesting opinion piece: Mass shootings show what is poisoning American democracyBut limiting the easy access to guns and ending racist police violence will not eradicate White rage. That day will only come when the nation collectively re-imagines the contours of American identity so thoroughly that no citizen will ever again consider gun violence committed by White males a unique national birthright.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 8:20:01 GMT -5
Ah, the white rage approach.
One more bastion of associative guilt.
White rage seems to be noticeably lacking in non criminals.
They're all going to work today, providing for their families.
Didn't even click the link, CNN ?
How about a nice counter opinion from Fox News.
We can sound just like a cable media echo chamber vying for commercial sales.
Approximately 7 million new minority gun owners in the last year, in urban areas where police riots were prevalent.
Didn't see any opinion pieces on white rage for that.
I for one am glad they joined the ranks of gun owners, that many more votes against possible repeal of the second amendment.
I'm still curious how privilege applies to constitutional rights as was posted
Seems to be crickets for now.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 26, 2021 9:20:31 GMT -5
Ah, the white rage approach. One more bastion of associative guilt. White rage seems to be noticeably lacking in non criminals. They're all going to work today, providing for their families. Didn't even click the link, CNN ? How about a nice counter opinion from Fox News. We can sound just like a cable media echo chamber vying for commercial sales. Approximately 7 million new minority gun owners in the last year, in urban areas where police riots were prevalent. Didn't see any opinion pieces on white rage for that. I for one am glad they joined the ranks of gun owners, that many more votes against possible repeal of the second amendment. I'm still curious how privilege applies to constitutional rights as was posted Seems to be crickets for now. I find reading things to help with my curiosity. I welcome links to articles with different opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 10:16:39 GMT -5
Ah, the white rage approach. One more bastion of associative guilt. White rage seems to be noticeably lacking in non criminals. They're all going to work today, providing for their families. Didn't even click the link, CNN ? How about a nice counter opinion from Fox News. We can sound just like a cable media echo chamber vying for commercial sales. Approximately 7 million new minority gun owners in the last year, in urban areas where police riots were prevalent. Didn't see any opinion pieces on white rage for that. I for one am glad they joined the ranks of gun owners, that many more votes against possible repeal of the second amendment. I'm still curious how privilege applies to constitutional rights as was posted Seems to be crickets for now. I find reading things to help with my curiosity. I welcome links to articles with different opinions. Taking things out of context by selecting phrases is quite common on forums. I generally ignore them as the selection usually has little to do with the point(s) being made. Cable news networks also make millions on that format. Doesn't really matter what side of the aisle they pander.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2021 20:49:49 GMT -5
Interesting opinion piece: Mass shootings show what is poisoning American democracyBut limiting the easy access to guns and ending racist police violence will not eradicate White rage. That day will only come when the nation collectively re-imagines the contours of American identity so thoroughly that no citizen will ever again consider gun violence committed by White males a unique national birthright. I think you are blinded by white guilt. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4559929001Black men between the ages of 15-34 make up 37% of gun homicide victims even though they make up 2% of the population. FBI stats show that black people are murdered by other black people 90% of the time. Is gun violence by black males a national birthright?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 26, 2021 21:32:16 GMT -5
Interesting opinion piece: Mass shootings show what is poisoning American democracyBut limiting the easy access to guns and ending racist police violence will not eradicate White rage. That day will only come when the nation collectively re-imagines the contours of American identity so thoroughly that no citizen will ever again consider gun violence committed by White males a unique national birthright. I think you are blinded by white guilt. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4559929001Black men between the ages of 15-34 make up 37% of gun homicide victims even though they make up 2% of the population. FBI stats show that black people are murdered by other black people 90% of the time. Is gun violence by black males a national birthright? Yes. But more a product of the American economic system than constitutional.
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2021 22:03:35 GMT -5
Interesting opinion piece: Mass shootings show what is poisoning American democracyBut limiting the easy access to guns and ending racist police violence will not eradicate White rage. That day will only come when the nation collectively re-imagines the contours of American identity so thoroughly that no citizen will ever again consider gun violence committed by White males a unique national birthright. I think you are blinded by white guilt. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4559929001Black men between the ages of 15-34 make up 37% of gun homicide victims even though they make up 2% of the population. FBI stats show that black people are murdered by other black people 90% of the time. Is gun violence by black males a national birthright? What does your stat have to do with young white men committing mass shootings? Columbine, Aurora theatre shooting, and now the grocery store shootings have mostly white victims. Does that make it better? We as a society are more horrified by unexpected violence versus expected violence. If you go somewhere and there is a high expectation you might be shot, you prepare for that. Most of us don't want to spend our whole days that way.
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I think you are blinded by white guilt. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4559929001Black men between the ages of 15-34 make up 37% of gun homicide victims even though they make up 2% of the population. FBI stats show that black people are murdered by other black people 90% of the time. Is gun violence by black males a national birthright? What does your stat have to do with young white men committing mass shootings? Columbine, Aurora theatre shooting, and now the grocery store shootings have mostly white victims. Does that make it better? We as a society are more horrified by unexpected violence versus expected violence. If you go somewhere and there is a high expectation you might be shot, you prepare for that. Most of us don't want to spend our whole days that way. Bills railed on about white rage and gun violence being a white person’s birthright. If you do research, more black males commit murder than white people and they obviously have a much smaller % of the population. Research shows that white men are much more likely to die from suicide by gun while black males are much more likely to be murdered by gun (going from memory, it was either 14x or 20x more likely than a white person). Even with the above stats, liberals blame white males for gun violence. Is that because it is the white males that put the white liberals at risk? Blacks kill each other so who cares? Or is it white guilt that makes you overlook the fact that it isn’t the white males that have a much higher % of homicide by gun?
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I think you are blinded by white guilt. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4559929001Black men between the ages of 15-34 make up 37% of gun homicide victims even though they make up 2% of the population. FBI stats show that black people are murdered by other black people 90% of the time. Is gun violence by black males a national birthright? Yes. But more a product of the American economic system than constitutional. So gun violence is justified if done by blacks? I don’t understand your logic. I grew up very poor and lived in government housing. Based on your logic, it should have been rife with gun violence. It wasn’t. It wasn’t our culture to go around shooting people. So perhaps there is a bigger issue than poverty that needs to be addressed.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 27, 2021 12:19:44 GMT -5
What does your stat have to do with young white men committing mass shootings? Columbine, Aurora theatre shooting, and now the grocery store shootings have mostly white victims. Does that make it better? We as a society are more horrified by unexpected violence versus expected violence. If you go somewhere and there is a high expectation you might be shot, you prepare for that. Most of us don't want to spend our whole days that way. Bills railed on about white rage and gun violence being a white person’s birthright. If you do research, more black males commit murder than white people and they obviously have a much smaller % of the population. Research shows that white men are much more likely to die from suicide by gun while black males are much more likely to be murdered by gun (going from memory, it was either 14x or 20x more likely than a white person). Even with the above stats, liberals blame white males for gun violence. Is that because it is the white males that put the white liberals at risk? Blacks kill each other so who cares? Or is it white guilt that makes you overlook the fact that it isn’t the white males that have a much higher % of homicide by gun? I quoted an opinion piece I found interesting. I support repeal of the 2nd Amendment for the general impact it would have on "contours of American identity". All of America.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 27, 2021 12:22:04 GMT -5
Yes. But more a product of the American economic system than constitutional. So gun violence is justified if done by blacks? I don’t understand your logic. I grew up very poor and lived in government housing. Based on your logic, it should have been rife with gun violence. It wasn’t. It wasn’t our culture to go around shooting people. So perhaps there is a bigger issue than poverty that needs to be addressed. The 2nd Amendment offers a justification for resolving conflict with a gun.
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Bills railed on about white rage and gun violence being a white person’s birthright. If you do research, more black males commit murder than white people and they obviously have a much smaller % of the population. Research shows that white men are much more likely to die from suicide by gun while black males are much more likely to be murdered by gun (going from memory, it was either 14x or 20x more likely than a white person). Even with the above stats, liberals blame white males for gun violence. Is that because it is the white males that put the white liberals at risk? Blacks kill each other so who cares? Or is it white guilt that makes you overlook the fact that it isn’t the white males that have a much higher % of homicide by gun? I quoted an opinion piece I found interesting. I support repeal of the 2nd Amendment for the general impact it would have on "contours of American identity". All of America. But you singled out white people as being the issue. A little research shows that as a percentage of population, gun homicide by blacks is much more prevalent. That’s what I take issue with. I hate using Wiki as a source and if I had time, I would break it down by source. But this lines up with what I’ve read by credible sources en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_StatesLess than .2% of shootings have been done by mass shooters. Yes, it is terrifying and yes, mass shootings are mainly done by white males. That doesn’t discount the fact that, as a percentage of population, blacks are much more likely to kill with a gun. White people make up 80% of population (or something like that) but according to FBI stats, black homicides are slightly higher than that of white people. And there is a correlation with homicide by gun that I quoted earlier So yes, when you claim that gun violence is a white race issue, I call BS. It’s just that the white shooters make the white people feel unsafe since the black shooters mainly kill other black people. By claiming this is just a white person peoblem, you are discounting the black lives lost at the hands of other black people. And no, I don’t buy it’s a poverty issue. As I said, I was raised in poverty and we did not have a guns/gang issue. That is a culture issue and one that we need to stop glossing over. It isn’t racist to state facts. It is racist to ignore them
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Mar 27, 2021 13:18:26 GMT -5
Mass gun violence is mostly by whites on groups of innocent strangers. Black gun violence is mostly gang related with victims known. Of course innocent people get caught in the gun fire.
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I quoted an opinion piece I found interesting. I support repeal of the 2nd Amendment for the general impact it would have on "contours of American identity". All of America. But you singled out white people as being the issue. A little research shows that as a percentage of population, gun homicide by blacks is much more prevalent. That’s what I take issue with. I hate using Wiki as a source and if I had time, I would break it down by source. But this lines up with what I’ve read by credible sources en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_StatesLess than .2% of shootings have been done by mass shooters. Yes, it is terrifying and yes, mass shootings are mainly done by white males. That doesn’t discount the fact that, as a percentage of population, blacks are much more likely to kill with a gun. White people make up 80% of population (or something like that) but according to FBI stats, black homicides are slightly higher than that of white people. And there is a correlation with homicide by gun that I quoted earlier So yes, when you claim that gun violence is a white race issue, I call BS. It’s just that the white shooters make the white people feel unsafe since the black shooters mainly kill other black people. By claiming this is just a white person peoblem, you are discounting the black lives lost at the hands of other black people. And no, I don’t buy it’s a poverty issue. As I said, I was raised in poverty and we did not have a guns/gang issue. That is a culture issue and one that we need to stop glossing over. It isn’t racist to state facts. It is racist to ignore them Did you read the article I linked? Mass shootings show what is poisoning American democracy
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 27, 2021 13:26:15 GMT -5
Mass gun violence is mostly by whites on groups of innocent strangers. Black gun violence is mostly gang related with victims known. Of course innocent people get caught in the gun fire. Agreed. But I’m much less at risk from a mass shooter than someone living in a gang riddled area is from getting shot. I get that the terrifying part of mass shooters is the unknown. Knowing that just being in the wrong place can make you a target. But to claim that gun violence is a white issue is ludicrous. So black gun violence doesn’t count?
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But you singled out white people as being the issue. A little research shows that as a percentage of population, gun homicide by blacks is much more prevalent. That’s what I take issue with. I hate using Wiki as a source and if I had time, I would break it down by source. But this lines up with what I’ve read by credible sources en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_StatesLess than .2% of shootings have been done by mass shooters. Yes, it is terrifying and yes, mass shootings are mainly done by white males. That doesn’t discount the fact that, as a percentage of population, blacks are much more likely to kill with a gun. White people make up 80% of population (or something like that) but according to FBI stats, black homicides are slightly higher than that of white people. And there is a correlation with homicide by gun that I quoted earlier So yes, when you claim that gun violence is a white race issue, I call BS. It’s just that the white shooters make the white people feel unsafe since the black shooters mainly kill other black people. By claiming this is just a white person peoblem, you are discounting the black lives lost at the hands of other black people. And no, I don’t buy it’s a poverty issue. As I said, I was raised in poverty and we did not have a guns/gang issue. That is a culture issue and one that we need to stop glossing over. It isn’t racist to state facts. It is racist to ignore them Did you read the article I linked? Mass shootings show what is poisoning American democracyThe focus of the article is mass shooting perpetrated by white males. Which again, account for .2% of all gun killings. No liberal will discuss or acknowledge that blacks have more of a gun problem that the lone white mass shooter. How many blacks are shot deaf each week in Chicago? Why is there more of an uproar when I white male kills 8 people? Do those black lives not matter? When the basis of an article is the bad white male when discussing guns, I know it is biased. If black lives mattered maybe there should be a discussion on the evil black man killing other black people, along with the evil, raging, white male.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Mar 27, 2021 13:34:28 GMT -5
I wasn't taking sides on what counts, black or white gun violence. I don't care what color the shooter is. I think dealing with both types of shooting will take different solutions. As pointed out by many, criminals will always be able to get guns and chances are they will use them. The mass shootings seem to be legally obtained guns bought and used within a short time frame of rage.
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I wasn't taking sides on what counts, black or white gun violence. I don't care what color the shooter is. I think dealing with both types of shooting will take different solutions. As pointed out by many, criminals will always be able to get guns and chances are they will use them. The mass shootings seem to be legally obtained guns bought and used within a short time frame of rage. Lol! I didn’t think you were taking sides. I was agreeing with you! My questions were not directed at you even though I quoted you. They were more general questions And what you said is exactly why I laugh when people want to make guns illegal. The law abiding citizens will turn their guns in the the gang members and other criminals wlll still have them.
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The focus of the article is mass shooting perpetrated by white males. Which again, account for .2% of all gun killings. No liberal will discuss or acknowledge that blacks have more of a gun problem that the lone white mass shooter. How many blacks are shot deaf each week in Chicago? Why is there more of an uproar when I white male kills 8 people? Do those black lives not matter? When the basis of an article is the bad white male when discussing guns, I know it is biased. If black lives mattered maybe there should be a discussion on the evil black man killing other black people, along with the evil, raging, white male. Leonard Pitts Jr.: Let’s talk about black-on-black violenceOK, fine. Let’s talk about “black on black” crime.
That, after all, is where the conversation seems to inevitably turn whenever one seeks to engage a conservative on the American habit of shooting unarmed African-American boys and men.
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The focus of the article is mass shooting perpetrated by white males. Which again, account for .2% of all gun killings. No liberal will discuss or acknowledge that blacks have more of a gun problem that the lone white mass shooter. How many blacks are shot deaf each week in Chicago? Why is there more of an uproar when I white male kills 8 people? Do those black lives not matter? When the basis of an article is the bad white male when discussing guns, I know it is biased. If black lives mattered maybe there should be a discussion on the evil black man killing other black people, along with the evil, raging, white male. Leonard Pitts Jr.: Let’s talk about black-on-black violenceOK, fine. Let’s talk about “black on black” crime.
That, after all, is where the conversation seems to inevitably turn whenever one seeks to engage a conservative on the American habit of shooting unarmed African-American boys and men. No, that isn’t why I brought it up. You started the race discussion by blaming gun violence on white males. I called BS and posted stats to back up what I was saying. Facts aren’t a conservative spin.
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No, that isn’t why I brought it up. You started the race discussion by blaming gun violence on white males. I called BS and posted stats to back up what I was saying. Facts aren’t a conservative spin. No, no, no!! Not a red squirrel. A gray squirrel.
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