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Post by Tiny on Mar 23, 2021 13:36:07 GMT -5
...or go to a spa, school, nightclub, the movies, church, a live music venue or even a Garlic Festival. Just stay home and peer out the windows, while being heavily armed in case of a home invasion. There you go. You got it!!! Maybe we all need to start wearing body armor and head protection.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 23, 2021 13:39:02 GMT -5
There you go. You got it!!! Maybe we all need to start wearing body armor and head protection. <-- like this guy?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 23, 2021 13:55:46 GMT -5
There you go. You got it!!! Maybe we all need to start wearing body armor and head protection. Well we already should be covered head to toe so we aren't victims of sexual assualt. Kevlar burkas anyone?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 23, 2021 13:57:26 GMT -5
Not at all, a counterpoint to the one sided media and other 'reporting'. An armed citizen thwarted a robbery at a Chick-Fil-A restaurant in Atlanta, Ga., on the afternoon of March 9, 2021.
The incident occurred around 3 p.m. that Tuesday when a man entered the restaurant with a gun drawn, demanding cash from the workers. Several bystanders who witnessed the robbery attempted to stop him. One of the bystanders was an armed citizen, who engaged the armed robber.
The armed citizen drew a handgun and fired two shots at the armed robber and held him at gunpoint until Atlanta police arrived at the scene. The 23-year-old suspect was taken into custody and charged with armed robbery, aggravated assault and possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony. No charges are expected against the armed citizen. (wsbtv.com, Atlanta, Ga., 03/09/2021) www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/3/19/the-armed-citizen-march-19-2021you know, garbage logic like this is like blaming a rape victim for being assaulted. why aren't we spending more energy raising people to not become rapists? why aren't we focusing more energy on raising white boys to not grow up to be fragile snowflakes that shoot their guns at anything that threatens their superiority? crazy, I know. but it just might work. Rape? Just relax and enjoy it! God intended it to happen.
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Post by swamp on Mar 23, 2021 14:01:02 GMT -5
you know, garbage logic like this is like blaming a rape victim for being assaulted. why aren't we spending more energy raising people to not become rapists? why aren't we focusing more energy on raising white boys to not grow up to be fragile snowflakes that shoot their guns at anything that threatens their superiority? crazy, I know. but it just might work. Rape? Just relax and enjoy it! God intended it to happen. I always enjoy some dude forcing his penis in my vagina. Totally relaxing experience.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 23, 2021 15:37:10 GMT -5
I'm sure all conservatives will agree that Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa was just having a bad day, so going into a grocery store and shooting 10 people is acceptable. He sounds brown. He’s a terrorist and thug. He needs to be in prison. He also shot a blonde, so the penalty triples.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 23, 2021 15:43:08 GMT -5
Maybe we all need to start wearing body armor and head protection. Well we already should be covered head to toe so we aren't victims of sexual assualt. Kevlar burkas anyone? Burka? Are you some kind of commie?
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Post by Opti on Mar 23, 2021 17:32:13 GMT -5
Yes, I fell into Diogenes trap and tried to meet absurdity with absurdity. So, I do apologize for the post if it's not being read dripping with sarcasm. All though I do like the idea of "men as beasts who should be kept in cages because they can't control themselves" thing. That diogenes seems to be going for. Two 21 year old men go on mass shootings. A 35 year old man kills a six year old girl over a clogged toilet. metro.co.uk/2021/03/22/convicted-child-abuser-shot-and-killed-girl-6-over-clogged-toilet-14282907/Oh and a good guy with a gun aka a police officer got killed in the latest mass shooting. Maybe there are just more people that use guns to kill and hurt people when they are angry, than there are people using guns to save people.
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Post by Opti on Mar 23, 2021 17:34:37 GMT -5
Rape? Just relax and enjoy it! God intended it to happen. I always enjoy some dude forcing his penis in my vagina. Totally relaxing experience. Set them on fire. I understand if it isn't a real rape, male bodies have a way of shutting that down. (Considers looking for meme, and posting it in this thread.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 19:26:37 GMT -5
No it's not. It helps show that the rape victim, needn't be that victim. See reply #2 yes, it is. you're all about having the victims take responsibility for being victims. zero mention of responsibility for the attackers. why is that? ETA - see reply #5. I heard you the first time. No it's not. I'm all about protecting yourself, vs giving the power to a police force. I don't think you hear it at all. How would that woman protect herself from the ax wielding man standing over her ? Reach for her cell phone to call the police ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 19:28:15 GMT -5
No it's not. It helps show that the rape victim, needn't be that victim. See reply #2 Awesome! I can carry a gun and display it visibly ALL the time! I don't want a guy to think I'm "Asking for it" - I can wear my sexiest outfit in public - and that gun will inform him that I'm not asking for it. And if he leers at me - I will be sure to take some shots at him!! Oh, wait, maybe i just need to hire some body guards with guns to follow me around - to keep me safe in case I want to have a few drinks at the bar and then walk to my car out in the dark parking lot. Maybe I need a security system at home too... I don't really want to sleep with a gun... Maybe I should move to a gated community. Or maybe I need a private compound. You might want to be REALLY careful when you are out in public... keep your distance, keep your eyes poker cold, don't make any fast movements, choose your words carefully when speaking (you don't want someone to take offense) ... someone MIGHT make a mistake and think you are being threatening and shoot you. Yeah, I totally want to live in a world like that. NOT! You already live in that world.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 19:35:52 GMT -5
Not at all, a counterpoint to the one sided media and other 'reporting'. An armed citizen thwarted a robbery at a Chick-Fil-A restaurant in Atlanta, Ga., on the afternoon of March 9, 2021.
The incident occurred around 3 p.m. that Tuesday when a man entered the restaurant with a gun drawn, demanding cash from the workers. Several bystanders who witnessed the robbery attempted to stop him. One of the bystanders was an armed citizen, who engaged the armed robber.
The armed citizen drew a handgun and fired two shots at the armed robber and held him at gunpoint until Atlanta police arrived at the scene. The 23-year-old suspect was taken into custody and charged with armed robbery, aggravated assault and possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony. No charges are expected against the armed citizen. (wsbtv.com, Atlanta, Ga., 03/09/2021) www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/3/19/the-armed-citizen-march-19-2021If you are citing all these examples of using a gun in self defense, obviously they are being reported. So far mostly locally. Only negative stories on firearms, get top billing ad nauseum, on the national network news. Usually coincides with the next push for a national gun control bill. Not a foam at the mouth big deal however, as I back read in a couple of posts however, lol. The Second Amendment isn't going anywhere. We couldn't even get the ERA ratified.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 19:40:38 GMT -5
A homeowner and son were forced to defend themselves when a group of masked men broke into their Pageland, S.C. residence on March 5, 2021.
The incident began that Friday morning when the homeowner and son were getting ready to leave for work and a young man walked up to the front door asking for directions. As the two were talking with the young stranger, a second youth came around the corner armed with a handgun and forced the two into their home. Back inside the home, one of the armed robbers began to fight with the homeowner and shot him in the leg.
The homeowner's son managed to grab a shotgun sitting in the home and shoot the other young armed robber in the head. The first robber ran out of the home where a third accomplice in a white car, and they fled the scene. The 17-year-old robber who was shot in the head died of his injury at the scene.
Police determined that the three youths had targeted the home for robbery, and that the surviving robber had tried to break into the same home back in Dec. 2020. The surviving robber was later caught and charged with two counts of attempted murder, first degree burglary and use of a deadly weapon during a violent crime. (wbtv.com, Charlotte, N.C., 03/10/2021) www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/3/12/the-armed-citizen-march-12-2021
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 19:45:51 GMT -5
What about the criminals ? Do they obey gun laws ? See above post.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 23, 2021 19:46:19 GMT -5
If you are citing all these examples of using a gun in self defense, obviously they are being reported. So far mostly locally. Only negative stories on firearms, get top billing ad nauseum, on the national network news. Usually coincides with the next push for a national gun control bill. Not a foam at the mouth big deal however, as I back read in a couple of posts however, lol. The Second Amendment isn't going anywhere. We couldn't even get the ERA ratified. If a strategy to not give an inch on equal rights for women was being employed, it would be ratified.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 19:47:19 GMT -5
So far mostly locally. Only negative stories on firearms, get top billing ad nauseum, on the national network news. Usually coincides with the next push for a national gun control bill. Not a foam at the mouth big deal however, as I back read in a couple of posts however, lol. The Second Amendment isn't going anywhere. We couldn't even get the ERA ratified. If a strategy to not give an inch on equal rights for women was being employed, it would be ratified. No it wouldn't. On the bright side, by best estimates, their are approximately 7 million new gun owners in the last few months, going by NICS. Just about all are minorities from urban areas. I can vouch that I had nothing to do with that.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 24, 2021 9:35:34 GMT -5
A homeowner and son were forced to defend themselves when a group of masked men broke into their Pageland, S.C. residence on March 5, 2021.
The incident began that Friday morning when the homeowner and son were getting ready to leave for work and a young man walked up to the front door asking for directions. As the two were talking with the young stranger, a second youth came around the corner armed with a handgun and forced the two into their home. Back inside the home, one of the armed robbers began to fight with the homeowner and shot him in the leg.
The homeowner's son managed to grab a shotgun sitting in the home and shoot the other young armed robber in the head. The first robber ran out of the home where a third accomplice in a white car, and they fled the scene. The 17-year-old robber who was shot in the head died of his injury at the scene.
Police determined that the three youths had targeted the home for robbery, and that the surviving robber had tried to break into the same home back in Dec. 2020. The surviving robber was later caught and charged with two counts of attempted murder, first degree burglary and use of a deadly weapon during a violent crime. (wbtv.com, Charlotte, N.C., 03/10/2021) www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/3/12/the-armed-citizen-march-12-2021 Why don’t you do some research on the number of innocent bystanders who got shot in the cross fire when Barney Fife armed citizens draw their guns and start shootings indiscriminately? Or are those kinds of friendly fire incidents just little whoopsies because a good guy with a gun did them?
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 24, 2021 9:40:37 GMT -5
Some articles have come out from relatives claiming this guy had MH issues - got bullied a lot in HS, and he became paranoid about being followed and watched, according to his siblings.
The majority of Americans want better background checks, wouldn’t it be nice if we could keep paranoid delusional people from arming themselves? Sandy Hook and Aurora just to name two?
Or we sticking with thought and prayers?
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Mar 24, 2021 9:52:17 GMT -5
Some articles have come out from relatives claiming this guy had MH issues - got bullied a lot in HS, and he became paranoid about being followed and watched, according to his siblings. The majority of Americans want better background checks, wouldn’t it be nice if we could keep paranoid delusional people from arming themselves? Sandy Hook and Aurora just to name two? Or we sticking with thought and prayers? We're just sticking with thoughts and prayers. Did you see/hear the exchange between Sens. Blumenthal and Cruz yesterday?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 24, 2021 10:26:18 GMT -5
Some articles have come out from relatives claiming this guy had MH issues - got bullied a lot in HS, and he became paranoid about being followed and watched, according to his siblings. The majority of Americans want better background checks, wouldn’t it be nice if we could keep paranoid delusional people from arming themselves? Sandy Hook and Aurora just to name two? Or we sticking with thought and prayers? It's too soon after this latest massacre to discuss gun control laws in state and federal legislatures. It's always too soon.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 24, 2021 10:30:39 GMT -5
I have to say, where I live, home invasions seem to almost exclusively happen between rival meth dealers, or meth heads trying to break into the house that makes meth to steal meth.
I don’t recall, in the 25 years I lived here, a home invasion robbery. Our regular thieves are smart enough to come during the day, when the house is empty and they can pop open the back door and take what they like in peace. That’s why I have ADT.
Maybe we have smarter than average home robbers. Except for the meth heads. Or maybe the NRA just wants to scare people.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 24, 2021 10:35:36 GMT -5
I am not a gun person, nor am I an anti-gun person. I am not advocating for anything. And I am not overly educated on this subject.
That said, I really struggle with the "mental health" aspect. I certainly don't want paranoid schizophrenic people running around with automatic weapons, but when discussing implementation of laws, I get really nervous. Mental health covers a broad range of problems, and we already have so many problems convincing people that it is a physical problem and seeking treatment is a good thing. We don't have a lot of definitive testing - so it is mostly based on self reporting. If a diagnoses leads to your guns being taken away, why seek treatment? This type of law could set mental health identification and treatment back 20 years - which could be more deadly than our current rate of mass murder.
Also, which mental illnesses are we going after? I would think depression causes the most suicides by gun(which accounts for 60% of gun deaths), but tens of millions of people have had a depression diagnosis. Depression can be a single episode, periodic or chronic. Once you get a depression diagnosis are you gun free forever? What if you hunt or are a policeman? New hobby, New job?
What about treatment? For many people, a little medication is adequate treatment, but the problem will pop right back up if you stop medicating. If you find a perfectly healthy way to live, do you get your guns back until someone notices you are off your meds? Or, even with treatment you are ineligible for gun ownership forever. Even if you had an isolated incident of (say) post-partum depression - no guns for you, ever?
This all adds up to the most at risk gun owners least likely to get treatment.
Are we counting on people around them to report them? They can do that now. Are we counting on some clinical set of standards that can evaluate every person that shows any signs of mental illness and being able to evenly and accurately judge who is violent, who is suicidal and who is consistently taking medication? All while the patients are lying about every question you ask, because guns are important to them.
I would rather see: 1) Research into how violence and mental health interact 2) Massive funding for mental health treatments 3) Public education campaigns to change the understanding of mental health care 4) Get rid of the restrictions we have surrounding seeing gun violence as a public health issue 5) Increasing the ability of practicitioners to talk with patients about guns (gag the NRA fussing about this) 6) Licensing (people) and registration (weapons) that has to be renewed periodically, and the ability to follow through on people that have registered guns but don't renew
But just saying "take guns away from the mentally ill" - that means absolutely nothing. It is utter nonsense and completely unrealistic. I hate hearing it and I will categorically be against law that will make mental health care worse. So, be more nuanced if you want to have a decent conversation.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 24, 2021 11:08:27 GMT -5
I agree that the mental health aspect opens a can of worms. The problem with all of this is it allows people to throw up their hands and say"nothing we can do", and "thoughts and prayers". That does nothing but foster the status quo. And I agree that banning research on this is ludicrous. Maybe we should list all the subjects that are too sensitive to do research on. Seems that the NRA and gun owners are snowflakes who are too sensitive to withstand some scrutiny.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 24, 2021 11:43:13 GMT -5
I agree that the mental health aspect opens a can of worms. The problem with all of this is it allows people to throw up their hands and say"nothing we can do", and "thoughts and prayers". That does nothing but foster the status quo. And I agree that banning research on this is ludicrous. Maybe we should list all the subjects that are too sensitive to do research on. Seems that the NRA and gun owners are snowflakes who are too sensitive to withstand some scrutiny. The answer to "tHiS a mEnTaL hEaLtH pRoBlEm" should always, always be - let's fund and encourage mental health research and treatment. Conservatives don't want to do that either. So we need to call them on their bullshit. We should never let liberals say that we should "take guns away from the mentally ill" because it won't get us anywhere. Even if the conservatives agree to that, they know the legislation will be so problematic it won't get through. It is wasted energy that we could be putting into "If your politicians cared, they would help us treat the mentally ill, reducing suicides, domestic violence and random violence."
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 24, 2021 11:56:16 GMT -5
I agree that the mental health aspect opens a can of worms. The problem with all of this is it allows people to throw up their hands and say"nothing we can do", and "thoughts and prayers". That does nothing but foster the status quo. And I agree that banning research on this is ludicrous. Maybe we should list all the subjects that are too sensitive to do research on. Seems that the NRA and gun owners are snowflakes who are too sensitive to withstand some scrutiny. The answer to "tHiS a mEnTaL hEaLtH pRoBlEm" should always, always be - let's fund and encourage mental health research and treatment. Conservatives don't want to do that either. So we need to call them on their bullshit. We should never let liberals say that we should "take guns away from the mentally ill" because it won't get us anywhere. Even if the conservatives agree to that, they know the legislation will be so problematic it won't get through. It is wasted energy that we could be putting into "If your politicians cared, they would help us treat the mentally ill, reducing suicides, domestic violence and random violence." Yes, your last point about licensing is the correct response. But gun rights advocates want us to focus on all those other things so they can deflect from that. Funding studies so we can better understand the problems, and what risk factors can be helpful in predicting mass shootings would be helpful as well. But it you prevent that, you can again avoid talking about solutions, so they can just argue for the status quo. Waiting periods are helpful for people going through a mental health crisis, as the prevent someone from committing suicide. So there is some value about considering the mental health aspect, as it may save lives. But it needs to be done very carefully, and needs to be done with adequate treatment of mental health.
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A homeowner and son were forced to defend themselves when a group of masked men broke into their Pageland, S.C. residence on March 5, 2021.
The incident began that Friday morning when the homeowner and son were getting ready to leave for work and a young man walked up to the front door asking for directions. As the two were talking with the young stranger, a second youth came around the corner armed with a handgun and forced the two into their home. Back inside the home, one of the armed robbers began to fight with the homeowner and shot him in the leg.
The homeowner's son managed to grab a shotgun sitting in the home and shoot the other young armed robber in the head. The first robber ran out of the home where a third accomplice in a white car, and they fled the scene. The 17-year-old robber who was shot in the head died of his injury at the scene.
Police determined that the three youths had targeted the home for robbery, and that the surviving robber had tried to break into the same home back in Dec. 2020. The surviving robber was later caught and charged with two counts of attempted murder, first degree burglary and use of a deadly weapon during a violent crime. (wbtv.com, Charlotte, N.C., 03/10/2021) www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/3/12/the-armed-citizen-march-12-2021 Why don’t you do some research on the number of innocent bystanders who got shot in the cross fire when Barney Fife armed citizens draw their guns and start shootings indiscriminately? Or are those kinds of friendly fire incidents just little whoopsies because a good guy with a gun did them? Why don't you ? You have my interest on that, but you'll have to do your own homework. I have nothing to defend in regards to the Second Amendment.
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I am not a gun person, nor am I an anti-gun person. I am not advocating for anything. And I am not overly educated on this subject. That said, I really struggle with the "mental health" aspect. I certainly don't want paranoid schizophrenic people running around with automatic weapons, but when discussing implementation of laws, I get really nervous. Mental health covers a broad range of problems, and we already have so many problems convincing people that it is a physical problem and seeking treatment is a good thing. We don't have a lot of definitive testing - so it is mostly based on self reporting. If a diagnoses leads to your guns being taken away, why seek treatment? This type of law could set mental health identification and treatment back 20 years - which could be more deadly than our current rate of mass murder. Also, which mental illnesses are we going after? I would think depression causes the most suicides by gun(which accounts for 60% of gun deaths), but tens of millions of people have had a depression diagnosis. Depression can be a single episode, periodic or chronic. Once you get a depression diagnosis are you gun free forever? What if you hunt or are a policeman? New hobby, New job? What about treatment? For many people, a little medication is adequate treatment, but the problem will pop right back up if you stop medicating. If you find a perfectly healthy way to live, do you get your guns back until someone notices you are off your meds? Or, even with treatment you are ineligible for gun ownership forever. Even if you had an isolated incident of (say) post-partum depression - no guns for you, ever? This all adds up to the most at risk gun owners least likely to get treatment. Are we counting on people around them to report them? They can do that now. Are we counting on some clinical set of standards that can evaluate every person that shows any signs of mental illness and being able to evenly and accurately judge who is violent, who is suicidal and who is consistently taking medication? All while the patients are lying about every question you ask, because guns are important to them. I would rather see: 1) Research into how violence and mental health interact 2) Massive funding for mental health treatments 3) Public education campaigns to change the understanding of mental health care 4) Get rid of the restrictions we have surrounding seeing gun violence as a public health issue 5) Increasing the ability of practicitioners to talk with patients about guns (gag the NRA fussing about this) 6) Licensing (people) and registration (weapons) that has to be renewed periodically, and the ability to follow through on people that have registered guns but don't renew But just saying "take guns away from the mentally ill" - that means absolutely nothing. It is utter nonsense and completely unrealistic. I hate hearing it and I will categorically be against law that will make mental health care worse. So, be more nuanced if you want to have a decent conversation. No one is running around with automatic weapons. Requires quite the special federal license to own one. The prohibited person list is quite comprehensive and long. You would have to back read a few of the commnents on this thread to help understand why it will be highly unlikely to have an intelligent, nuanced conversation. Kevlar burkas anyone ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 12:37:37 GMT -5
The answer to "tHiS a mEnTaL hEaLtH pRoBlEm" should always, always be - let's fund and encourage mental health research and treatment. Conservatives don't want to do that either. So we need to call them on their bullshit. We should never let liberals say that we should "take guns away from the mentally ill" because it won't get us anywhere. Even if the conservatives agree to that, they know the legislation will be so problematic it won't get through. It is wasted energy that we could be putting into "If your politicians cared, they would help us treat the mentally ill, reducing suicides, domestic violence and random violence." Yes, your last point about licensing is the correct response. But gun rights advocates want us to focus on all those other things so they can deflect from that. Funding studies so we can better understand the problems, and what risk factors can be helpful in predicting mass shootings would be helpful as well. But it you prevent that, you can again avoid talking about solutions, so they can just argue for the status quo. Waiting periods are helpful for people going through a mental health crisis, as the prevent someone from committing suicide. So there is some value about considering the mental health aspect, as it may save lives. But it needs to be done very carefully, and needs to be done with adequate treatment of mental health. Interesting concept, licensing a right guaranteed by the constitution. Wonder how thats going to come about at a Federal level. billisonboard thinks we might be ratifying a repeal of the second amendment. After that, licensing could be a thing. I would be all for it at that point, however we seem to be going in the other direction with the uncontrolled urban violence of the last year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 12:40:25 GMT -5
Some articles have come out from relatives claiming this guy had MH issues - got bullied a lot in HS, and he became paranoid about being followed and watched, according to his siblings. The majority of Americans want better background checks, wouldn’t it be nice if we could keep paranoid delusional people from arming themselves? Sandy Hook and Aurora just to name two? Or we sticking with thought and prayers? It's too soon after this latest massacre to discuss gun control laws in state and federal legislatures. It's always too soon. When you use emotional response to try and pass legislation, it sure is. I prefer the level headed, thought out approach to passing laws.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 24, 2021 13:02:58 GMT -5
Yes, your last point about licensing is the correct response. But gun rights advocates want us to focus on all those other things so they can deflect from that. Funding studies so we can better understand the problems, and what risk factors can be helpful in predicting mass shootings would be helpful as well. But it you prevent that, you can again avoid talking about solutions, so they can just argue for the status quo. Waiting periods are helpful for people going through a mental health crisis, as the prevent someone from committing suicide. So there is some value about considering the mental health aspect, as it may save lives. But it needs to be done very carefully, and needs to be done with adequate treatment of mental health. Interesting concept, licensing a right guaranteed by the constitution. Wonder how thats going to come about at a Federal level. billisonboard thinks we might be ratifying a repeal of the second amendment. After that, licensing could be a thing. I would be all for it at that point, however we seem to be going in the other direction with the uncontrolled urban violence of the last year. To clarify: I think that at some point in the future, when enough Americans are fed up with the increasing level of gun violence in this country and laws addressing it are thwarted by the 2nd Amendment, there will be the support needed for repeal of the amendment. When and how quickly it happens is an open question.
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