Official Trump Lawsuit Watch Thread

[djAdvocate]

Oct 6, 2022 9:59:11 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Oct 6, 2022 9:29:22 GMT -5 swamp said:

I think it's the other way around.  Trump is the symptom, not the cause.  The rot started years ago.   

  

If it wasn't Trump it would have been someone else.   They've been anti-everything since as long as I can remember.  McConnell openly and proudly stated he would make sure Obama was a one term president.

Trump came along at just the right moment in history.   Him winning was a direct backlash and message about Obama being president for 8 years, Clinton winning the popular vote and the progress made on rights for minorities in the last decade. 

There is no place for anyone who isn't a rich white hetero cis Christian male in the Republican party.  Who better to symbolize that message than Trump?  He freaking took that baton and swung it as wide and loudly as he possibly could.

i completely disagree with that.  they need enablers.

[swamp]

Oct 6, 2022 11:51:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 6, 2022 9:29:22 GMT -5 swamp said:

I think it's the other way around.  Trump is the symptom, not the cause.  The rot started years ago.   

i am not quite to the point where i say that the GOP never believed in governance, if that is what you are saying.

is that what you are saying?

note: i think a case could be made for the Southern Whigs never believing in government.  i think that is pretty solid.  but the Southern Whigs were not always part of the GOP.  that happened under Nixon.

At some point they did believe in governance, just a different theory. It’s now morphed into just wanting power and protecting their status.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 6, 2022 15:23:07 GMT -5 swamp said:

Oct 6, 2022 11:51:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i am not quite to the point where i say that the GOP never believed in governance, if that is what you are saying.

is that what you are saying?

note: i think a case could be made for the Southern Whigs never believing in government.  i think that is pretty solid.  but the Southern Whigs were not always part of the GOP.  that happened under Nixon.

At some point they did believe in governance, just a different theory. It’s now morphed into just wanting power and protecting their status.

i think we agree, then.  
the GOP and Democrats prior to about 1960
thought of us as a constitutional Republic.
for those of you that don't know that term, look it up.
now, the Democrats still believe in a constitutional Republic.
the Republicans are neo-fascists.  
i am not exaggerating.  the Democrats could declare themselves the New Republican Party.  they are about where Reagan was in 1982.  the Republicans should call themselves Christian Populists and be done with it.  because they clearly don't believe in the separation clause, nor do they believe in the liberal roots of the constitution, nor do they believe in our latter 20th century understanding of voting rights.

[tallguy]

Oct 6, 2022 15:42:37 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 6, 2022 15:23:07 GMT -5 swamp said:

At some point they did believe in governance, just a different theory. It’s now morphed into just wanting power and protecting their status.

i think we agree, then.  
the GOP and Democrats prior to about 1960
thought of us as a constitutional Republic.
for those of you that don't know that term, look it up.
now, the Democrats still believe in a constitutional Republic.
the Republicans are neo-fascists.  
i am not exaggerating.  the Democrats could declare themselves the New Republican Party.  they are about where Reagan was in 1982.  the Republicans should call themselves Christian Populists and be done with it.  because they clearly don't believe in the separation clause, nor do they believe in the liberal roots of the constitution, nor do they believe in our latter 20th century understanding of voting rights.

...or civil rights, or reproductive rights, or human rights, or even religious rights for anyone but themselves.... 


Yes, that could have all gone without saying, but why not say it? 

[djAdvocate]

i wonder what Moderate Christians (there are a LOT of them.  by some accounts, 70%) think of this ALARMING rise in right wing Christians running things?

[Tennesseer]

What to Know as Trump Is Deposed in E. Jean Carroll Suit Accusing Him of Rape

Three years after the writer E. Jean Carroll sued Donald J. Trump for defamation in New York, the former president is scheduled to submit to a sworn deposition on Wednesday. It is expected to take place at Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s residence and private club in Florida.

What is the case about?

Ms. Carroll, in a 2019 book and excerpt in New York magazine, accused Mr. Trump of raping her in the mid-1990s at the department store Bergdorf Goodman. She said that he pushed her against a dressing room wall, pulled down her tights, opened his pants and forced himself upon her.

Mr. Trump said he had never met Ms. Carroll, that she was “totally lying” and that she was not his “type.”

In her suit, Ms. Carroll, a longtime advice columnist for Elle magazine, said Mr. Trump’s statements had harmed her reputation.

Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Alina Habba, last month asked Judge Lewis A. Kaplan of Federal District Court in Manhattan to delay the deposition while a key question about the suit was considered on appeal. Ms. Habba argued that if her client won that appeal, there would be no need for a deposition. Judge Kaplan denied the request on Oct. 12, finding that Mr. Trump had litigated the case “with the effect and probably the purpose of delaying it.” The trial is scheduled for Feb. 6.

Ms. Carroll’s lawyer, Roberta A. Kaplan, declined to comment on the deposition. Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Ms. Habba, did not respond to a request for comment.

What position is Mr. Trump likely to take?

Ms. Habba, in unsuccessfully seeking to postpone the deposition, wrote to Judge Kaplan that her client was nonetheless “ready and eager to sit” for questioning.

Mr. Trump has made it clear he has not changed his public position on Ms. Carroll’s allegations.

After Judge Kaplan denied Mr. Trump’s request to delay, Mr. Trump blasted Ms. Carroll in a lengthy social media post, repeating the kind of statements that had prompted her to sue in the first place.

“This ‘Ms. Bergdorf Goodman’ case is a complete con job,” Mr. Trump said in his statement. He said Ms. Carroll was not telling the truth, that he did not know her — and that she was not his type: “While I am not supposed to say it, I will.”

Ms. Carroll’s lawyers said through a spokesman that Mr. Trump’s statement “obviously does not merit a response.”

Will the public see Mr. Trump’s deposition?

The court has imposed a routine order that would allow Mr. Trump and Ms. Carroll to keep their depositions confidential throughout the pretrial discovery process. It is not known whether Mr. Trump will ask that his deposition be treated as confidential.

Will the defamation case be short-circuited?

After Ms. Carroll sued in state court in Manhattan in 2019, the Justice Department, then led by Attorney General William P. Barr, abruptly intervened on Mr. Trump’s behalf in September 2020, citing a law intended to protect federal employees from litigation stemming from their official duties.

The Justice Department moved the case into federal court and sought to substitute the United States for Mr. Trump as the defendant. That maneuver would likely result in the lawsuit’s dismissal, as the federal government cannot be sued for defamation.

In October 2020, Judge Kaplan rejected the department’s attempt to intervene in the case, saying Mr. Trump was not performing official duties when he made his statements about Ms. Carroll.

“His comments concerned an alleged sexual assault that took place several decades before he took office,” Judge Kaplan wrote, “and the allegations have no relationship to the official business of the United States.”

But last month, a panel of judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled by a 2-to-1 vote that the president is an employee of the federal government, but it did not decide whether he was acting in that capacity when he made his statements about Ms. Carroll. The panel asked the District of Columbia Court of Appeals to answer that question, because Mr. Trump had made his statements in Washington.

Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Ms. Habba, had argued that her client’s deposition should be delayed until the D.C. appeals court ruled. But in his denial last week, Judge Kaplan noted that a ruling from the D.C. court could take a long time.

“Perhaps most significant,” Judge Kaplan wrote, both Ms. Carroll, 78, and Mr. Trump, 76, and perhaps other witnesses in the case, were already of advanced age. “The defendant should not be permitted to run the clock out,” the judge wrote, on Ms. Carroll’s “attempt to gain a remedy for what allegedly was a serious wrong.”

The deposition could matter even if Ms. Carroll’s defamation suit dies.

Ms. Carroll’s lawyers have said that she plans to file a separate case against Mr. Trump in November under a new state law allowing adult sexual assault victims a one-time opportunity to sue, even if the statute of limitations has expired.

That suit will probably end up before Judge Kaplan under the federal court’s rules on related cases.

Given the potential filing of the second lawsuit, the judge wrote last week, there was no reason to delay Mr. Trump’s deposition.

“The question whether Mr. Trump in fact raped Ms. Carroll is central to this case,” Judge Kaplan wrote. “But it will be central also to the new case.”

What other legal actions does the former president face?

There are investigations by the Justice Department and Congress into Mr. Trump’s role in the events of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol; and the department also has been scrutinizing Mr. Trump’s removal of thousands of sensitive government documents when he left the White House. Mr. Trump’s potential interference in Georgia’s election results is under investigation by the Fulton County, Ga., district attorney. Mr. Trump has not been accused of wrongdoing in those inquiries.

Last month, New York Attorney General Letitia James sued Mr. Trump, accusing him, three of his children and his family business of lying to lenders and insurers by fraudulently overvaluing his assets. Mr. Trump, in a post on Truth Social, attacked Ms. James and the investigation as “Another Witch Hunt by a racist Attorney General.” The office of Alvin L. Bragg, Manhattan’s district attorney, has also been conducting a criminal investigation into some of the same issues covered in Ms. James’s inquiry.

What to Know as Trump Is Deposed in E. Jean Carroll Suit Accusing Him of Rape

[happyhoix]

Back when he was first running in 2016 the New Yorker collected up stories about Trumps roaming hands. Trying to get his hand under the dress of a woman seated next to him in a first class seat on an airplane. Walking up to a woman on a NY street and grabbing her breast while his buddies laughed. Of course all his ogles at Miss Americas back stage.

This rape sounds like it right up his perverted greasy alley. I just have no idea how she can prove something from so long ago.

[kadee79]

Oct 19, 2022 10:43:43 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Back when he was first running in 2016 the New Yorker collected up stories about Trumps roaming hands. Trying to get his hand under the dress of a woman seated next to him in a first class seat on an airplane. Walking up to a woman on a NY street and grabbing her breast while his buddies laughed. Of course all his ogles at Miss Americas back stage.

This rape sounds like it right up his perverted greasy alley. I just have no idea how she can prove something from so long ago.

She still has the garment she was wearing when it happened...AND she wants a DNA sample from DT to prove that he is 'the one'!  

[djAdvocate]

oh, the irony.  

[happyhoix]

Well Donald got subpoenaed.

Commence the great snow flake melt down.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 21, 2022 13:30:52 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Well Donald got subpoenaed.

Commence the great snow flake melt down.

they are melting faster than the glaciers.

edit: documents were demanded BEFORE election day.  
this means that he could potentially be in contempt of
congress before that day.

[kadee79]

Likelihood of prosecution.....UP?

Reacting to a report from the Washington Post that Donald Trump stashed top secret documents related to Iran's missile program and documents detailing highly sensitive intelligence operations aimed at China at his Mar-a-Lago resort, former FBI official Andrew McCabe and former White House lawyer Norm Eisen agreed the news was "stunning."



Appearing jointly on CNN with host Ana Cabrera, Eisen took the lead in saying the odds of the former president being prosecuted under the Espionage Act took a leap if the report turns out to be true.



According to David Laufman, a former senior Justice Department official, "The exceptional sensitivity of these documents, and the reckless exposure of invaluable sources and methods of U.S. intelligence capabilities concerning these foreign adversaries, will certainly influence the Justice Department’s determination of whether to charge Mr. Trump or others with willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act."



Eisen agreed.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/likelihood-of-trump-prosecution-has-gone-up-after-new-mar-a-lago-revelation-former-white-house-lawyer/ar-AA13eAoy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=bb6b99bd2245450fb8e795dde4c08767

[djAdvocate]

so the question remains:

WHY DID HE HAVE THEM?

that is a very important question.

i would love to have it answered.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 21, 2022 16:45:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so the question remains:

WHY DID HE HAVE THEM?

that is a very important question.

i would love to have it answered.

An honest answer? Or a trump answer.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 21, 2022 17:19:34 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 21, 2022 16:45:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so the question remains:

WHY DID HE HAVE THEM?

that is a very important question.

i would love to have it answered.

An honest answer? Or a trump answer.

LOL!  would it surprise you to learn that i was not even thinking of Trump when asking that question?  i suspect he won't answer any questions.  but that won't stop us from learning the answers.

[happyhoix]

Oct 21, 2022 16:45:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so the question remains:

WHY DID HE HAVE THEM?

that is a very important question.

i would love to have it answered.

A talking head was speculating Trump took them to have something to bargain with. Give me the documents that prove the Russia Russia Russia thing was indeed a hoax and I’ll give you back these other classified documents you want so bad.

Course it doesn’t work because the government owns ALL the documents, and wants them all.

[happyhoix]

So did anyone doubt Trump would run his big ass bus wheels right over Weisselburg?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Politico has an article about Weisselburg spilling the Trump org tax fraud scam to the jury, and of course Trumps lawyers are insisting Trump had no idea such terrible crimes were being committed- this was 100% Weisselburgs fault.

Of course Weisselburg reported directly to Trump for 35 years. Trump must be an exceedingly shitty CEO if he had no idea this was happening.

Funniest part to me - they had a hard time seating a jury because so many potential juries said they couldn’t be impartial because they hated him so much. Of the jury they did seat, 25% say they don’t like him.

How could they not like the greatest president ever?🤔

[swamp]

Nov 1, 2022 10:25:43 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So did anyone doubt Trump would run his big ass bus wheels right over Weisselburg?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Politico has an article about Weisselburg spilling the Trump org tax fraud scam to the jury, and of course Trumps lawyers are insisting Trump had no idea such terrible crimes were being committed- this was 100% Weisselburgs fault.

Of course Weisselburg reported directly to Trump for 35 years. Trump must be an exceedingly shitty CEO if he had no idea this was happening.

Funniest part to me - they had a hard time seating a jury because so many potential juries said they couldn’t be impartial because they hated him so much. Of the jury they did seat, 25% say they don’t like him.

How could they not like the greatest president ever?🤔

Liberal manhattanites.  

[djAdvocate]

Nov 1, 2022 12:18:02 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 1, 2022 10:25:43 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So did anyone doubt Trump would run his big ass bus wheels right over Weisselburg?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Politico has an article about Weisselburg spilling the Trump org tax fraud scam to the jury, and of course Trumps lawyers are insisting Trump had no idea such terrible crimes were being committed- this was 100% Weisselburgs fault.

Of course Weisselburg reported directly to Trump for 35 years. Trump must be an exceedingly shitty CEO if he had no idea this was happening.

Funniest part to me - they had a hard time seating a jury because so many potential juries said they couldn’t be impartial because they hated him so much. Of the jury they did seat, 25% say they don’t like him.

How could they not like the greatest president ever?🤔

Liberal manhattanites.  

good time to point out that 60% of the wealthy consistently vote Republican.

[swamp]

Manhattan hates him.  Probably because they all know someone who was shafted by him.  

ETA:  There is an area attorney who is originally from the NYC area, and whose family is in construction.  He said it was a well know fact among the companies that they would not get paid in full on any Trump project.   

[djAdvocate]

i honestly don't know why people engage with him AT ALL.  he is a 24/7 grift machine.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Nov 1, 2022 12:27:26 GMT -5 swamp said:

Manhattan hates him.  Probably because they all know someone who was shafted by him.  

ETA:  There is an area attorney who is originally from the NYC area, and whose family is in construction.  He said it was a well know fact among the companies that they would not get paid in full on any Trump project.   

^{it is known}   _{it is known}

[Tennesseer]

[kadee79]

And now this....

ANew York state judge on Thursday ordered an independent monitor to oversee the Trump Organization's financial statements following allegations that the company has been vastly overstating its assets.



Justice Arthur Engoron signed off on a preliminary injunction that also blocks former President Donald Trump's company from transferring assets without court approval. In his ruling, the judge said the company must also make the monitor aware of all its holdings and assets and give 30 days advance notice of any restructuring at the company and any plans for "disposing or refinancing of significant Trump Organization assets."



Given "defendants’ propensity to engage in persistent fraud, failure to grant such an injunction could result in extreme prejudice to the people of New York,” the judge wrote.



Engoron's ruling came in a civil suit filed against the company by the New York attorney general's office alleging the Trump Organization had been inflating its worth in financial statements to banks and insurers by billions of dollars. The judge's ruling cited numerous examples of the company's alleged fraud in the attorney general's lawsuit, which he described as "more than sufficient to demonstrate OAG's likelihood of success on the merits."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-appoints-independent-monitor-to-oversee-trump-organization-financial-filings/ar-AA13IjgC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=df66d33fbfdf473fa32ea9537cbabf24

[djAdvocate]

he will act in contempt of that order.  i guarantee it.  he has never followed the rules.

edit: that will probably predicate a "seize and freeze" order.

[happyhoix]

Trump wanted to sue NY for their lawsuit against him and his kids. His lawyers warned him it would be a frivolous lawsuit and might border on malpractice. 

Of course he did it anyway. 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-bucked-advice-of-legal-team-to-sue-new-york-ag-report/ar-AA13Iw5K?ocid=EMMX&cvid=8de637717a8542e286a00cd951124233

Because of course. 

[happyhoix]

Well, this is interesting. Salon has a story about Kash Patel, one of Trumps very best BFFs, being granted limited immunity from prosecution so he could testify about the MAL investigation. (He had previously testified but claimed the fifth).

Patel claimed he was in the room when Trump declassified documents to take home but declined to repeat this to prosecutors.

[djAdvocate]

the magic wand moment should be interesting on tape.

[happyhoix]

NY judge Engoron imposed an independent monitor on Trump Inc so that it can’t change its corporate structure, sell or transfer non cash assets or make deals without giving notice to the court.

Probably has something to do with Trump recently creating a new Trump Inc in New Jersey.

Business insider has the story.

Trump is raging at the judge on Truth Social.

That will make the judge toe the line. 🙄

[swamp]

Judges love it when you publicly call them out for being political hacks