tskeeter
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Post by tskeeter on Feb 25, 2021 17:16:06 GMT -5
Miss T, I’m with you. We should adopt a more European compensation model, where people are paid an appropriate wage and where any tip given is for extraordinary service, not part of the employee’s basic compensation. I wonder if the shift to $15 an hour minimum wage will change tipping practices? It seems to me that if servers receive an appropriate base wage, 15% and 20% tips should largely go away. Would servers get the proposed $15 minimum wage? In almost every state currently, "Tipped employee minimum wage" is not the same as Federal minimum wage. I really haven't been paying enough attention to the current discussion on raising minimum wage to know if they mean for everyone. That’s a topic that I’ve not seen addressed in any descriptions of new minimum wage proposals. But, given the screaming from the food industry, it seems like the assumption is that the tip credit will go away.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 25, 2021 18:22:42 GMT -5
Absolutely. Just like my daughter was a bartender before everything got shit down. She made more money as a bartender in two days than she does at her full time job. She had some people that tipped shit but the good tippers more than made up for it. She didn’t dwell on the idiots because overall she loved her job and made a LOT of money doing it. I belong to a local FB group and I see a lot of bitching from the people that work for food and restaurant delivery services. That’s why I’m saying there should be a fee and that’s it. If a person wants $20 to make the delivery, that should be stated up front. I get that time is valuable and they should be paid fairly. Which is why I don’t believe in the tipping concept. If I order an item from the internet, the delivery charge is known. I agree to it and that’s that. Makes life much simpler. Miss T, I’m with you. We should adopt a more European compensation model, where people are paid an appropriate wage and where any tip given is for extraordinary service, not part of the employee’s basic compensation. I wonder if the shift to $15 an hour minimum wage will change tipping practices? It seems to me that if servers receive an appropriate base wage, 15% and 20% tips should largely go away. If servers get $15/hr, I can’t imagine tips still being required. It would be insane. . My daughter only get $2.35/hr so her salary is tips. I also hate the concept of tipping based on what you order. You buy a drink made with well water vs too shelf liquor...work is the same so why does the tip change? Pay a fair wage and be done with it
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gs11rmb
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 26, 2021 9:36:34 GMT -5
Minimum wage for a server in Iowa is $4.35. So when business is down or if you have a bad tipping day, you pretty much wasted your time. I agree once we get to a living wage of something like $15 an hour, tipping should go away. My UK friends refuse to tip when they visit and I had to be told not to tip when I visited the UK because I didn't know any better. They were also surprised when I tipped housekeeping at hotels. I'm sorry to have to tell you this but your friends are cheap! People certainly do tip in the UK. Admittedly, it's not the 20% US standard but I can't imagine not leaving a few pounds for a server.
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TheOtherMe
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 26, 2021 11:58:00 GMT -5
I know my Scottish friend is cheap. She is not as young as she was when I was there 12 years ago and is no longer a student. I still doubt she tips. The others are older than her and they don't tip either.
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GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 27, 2021 10:07:20 GMT -5
so - I've been ordering from whole foods for delivery lately, whole foods adds a tip of 7-10 dollars, I think that is good for delivery - or should I add more? then today - order 3 english cucumbers - but they delivered 5.....rotteny ones. Never would have picked these would just go without, but I hate to complain, given, 2020, 2021 so far etc. oh, and they delivered to wrong house, I had to troop through the snow to get them from neighbors porch. Seems petty to complain though, cuz - yeah - thinking it must be rough. but those cucumbers, really - oh they're kind of rotten, given a few extra? Obviously if I am getting 3 english cukes, that is suppose to last over several days, these, ugh, likely need to cut away a lot of it today - likely totally trash tomorrow or next day. irks me to pay for this at all. but...yah....wwyd? I do both delivery and curbside pickup from Whole Foods. Delivery is through Amazon shoppers and drivers, curbside seems to be by store staff. The delivery ordering system allows for tips, the curbside pickup system does not allow for tips. During the tragic, horrific, surges here in Massachusetts, I tipped the delivery drivers (who are also the shoppers) REALLY well (20-30%). I still tip 20%. Curbside, I tip 10% because, from my observation, the person who delivers your groceries to your car is not the person who picked them for you and I don’t want the delivery person to get all the credit. I have yet to figure out if or how I can tip the picker (which is both annoying given it’s the almighty Amazon and unfair). I drive a pickup, and leave the cash tucked into a ratchet strap clip in the bed. As for rotten produce, missing items, and the like — I am asked to review every order after delivery/pickup, and I do. It’s a simple survey, with no room to extrapolate, but allows me to rate the selections, the bagging, the delivery, was the delivery person masked, etc. I then can ask for a refund for problem items and I am told to just keep the bad/wrong stuff. It’s NOT complaining to seek a refund for rotten good or missing items — I spend a TON of money at Whole Foods (probably the equivalent of some people’s mortgage payments) and I order what I NEED. I also make it easy for the shopper/picker by selecting “no substitutions” so there isn’t a ton of time spent texting back and forth. If I don’t get an item or two (and it’s not listed as out of stock), then it’s a loss to me I shouldn’t have to pay for. But I’m also careful to point out what was done well and to give consistently high overall ratings (unless there is a major screw up). My goal is to gently and kindly educate the shoppers to carefully follow the orders they receive. So, Rukh, ask for the refund, review the delivery, and tip as you see fit.
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Rukh O'Rorke
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 27, 2021 12:53:09 GMT -5
well - I'm back at it!
trying to see if I can snag some nice cukes and bananas this time around. Also apples and celery - super craving a waldorf salad last night. which is super weird because when I first heard of waldorf salad I though it sounded weird and gross, and in the decades since, never interested. Guess I am ready to try?
Weird.
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Post by lurkyloo on Feb 27, 2021 21:56:05 GMT -5
I mostly do grocery delivery for Dad, tip 20%, and am courteous and friendly. It’s not the shopper’s fault if something is out of stock, so as long as they communicate problems I generally give them the benefit of the doubt. One of them was very apologetic that she was going to be “late” (still within the official time frame) and it sounded like she’d had a lot of customers be nasty to her.
I was really frustrated with some of the shoppers early in the pandemic...example, I’d ordered organic raspberries, they replaced with conventional (that were on sale!) without adjusting the price to reflect the sub, and most of them had gone bad. It wound up being about $0.50 per edible berry. I’ve definitely complained a few times and gotten a refund when they picked the wrong item or substituted something unacceptable. Its been better recently. I did have an issue where I approved a sub that didn’t display the price and wound up with a $37 package of steak instead of an $18 one. I alerted the company that I thought that was a problem with their software, didn’t blame the shopper in tip or review.
I’ve been ordering Wegmans occasionally lately, which has 15% max automatic tip, but am grateful that cases in our area are down enough that I feel ok about doing my own shopping, carefully timed for minimal crowds. I really do prefer to pick my own produce. And I find it stressful (necessary but stressful) to try to manage OOS stu via text.
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gs11rmb
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Post by gs11rmb on Mar 1, 2021 8:44:43 GMT -5
I know my Scottish friend is cheap. She is not as young as she was when I was there 12 years ago and is no longer a student. I still doubt she tips. The others are older than her and they don't tip either. We're frugal not cheap!!! They actually did a UK survey once and found that per capita the Scots were the most generous contributors to charity... so there
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TheOtherMe
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 1, 2021 8:49:34 GMT -5
I know my Scottish friend is cheap. She is not as young as she was when I was there 12 years ago and is no longer a student. I still doubt she tips. The others are older than her and they don't tip either. We're frugal not cheap!!! They actually did a UK survey once and found that per capita the Scots were the most generous contributors to charity... so there When Dani was here and when I was there, Dani was at university. That may have had something to do with her being frugal. I got a room comped for us in Vegas and all three of us were happy about that. She didn't tip for the free meal and I couldn't get her to gamble $20 for the free room.
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gs11rmb
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Post by gs11rmb on Mar 1, 2021 8:51:10 GMT -5
Yeah... she definitely sounds cheap!
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 1, 2021 8:57:19 GMT -5
She has a real job now. She lost her previous job when covid started but has found another one. She's managed to buy a car and a house and she has cut way back on following Paul McCartney around the world.
Hopefully she is maturing in how she handles her money.
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