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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 17, 2021 21:04:01 GMT -5
have no use for him or his brother.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2021 23:28:30 GMT -5
never been a fan. he seems like Rudy Lite to me.
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Post by justme on Feb 17, 2021 23:33:17 GMT -5
I never paid any attention to him before the pandemic. He seemed decent from what I saw, but ya know his comparison was Trump and then DeSantis so...
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Post by Opti on Feb 18, 2021 4:33:40 GMT -5
I never paid any attention to him before the pandemic. He seemed decent from what I saw, but ya know his comparison was Trump and then DeSantis so... I liked his Covid briefings. The power move would be to be matter of fact about nursing homes and similar, not bully someone. Truth is there weren't many good answers. Residents needed to be isolated to their rooms immediately once a case popped up, but early on, there was a bigger focus on surfaces not spread by air, so the contact precautions taken initially were not sufficient. Plus in any dementia unit, its unsafe and pretty much impossible to get these types of residents to isolate to their rooms unless you had sufficient $$$ to have round the clock one on one care for all of them. We now know that it is spread by air mostly and that one can be exposed and catch it in the two days before someone is symptomatic. Most nursing homes do group activities for their residents to keep boredom down. Plus, in pre Covid days many went out for appointments to see family or for more mobile assisted living residents they might go out to shop, get their hair cut, etc. Much probably depended on how a facility got the initial exposure. If it was an aide to a bed bound resident, potential exposure is small. Brought in by a mobile social resident, an entire floor might have exposure before this person or someone exposed to them has symptoms. Speaking about it honestly would allow some contingency plans to be developed. I hope in the end that's what happens instead of public and private finger pointing.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 18, 2021 10:08:29 GMT -5
He fucked up, and it will be bad for him - as it should be.
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Post by mary2029 on Feb 18, 2021 17:31:11 GMT -5
US Attorney Launched Criminal Investigation into Cuomo’s Handling of COVID-19, Nursing Homes After Aide’s Call Leaked link
Wow... I would understand civil, but criminal? I obviously haven't been paying enough attention to this.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Feb 20, 2021 6:49:20 GMT -5
Here is where I am at. Yes Cuomo f'd up by not reporting properly, but at the time covid hit (and even now), can each death truly be ruled covid? Cuomo and team were fighting a losing battle with very little guidance.
The fed gov't/trump claims that all those death numbers were overstated. "Those old people died cuz they were old, already sick, not covid".
Criminal charges seem crazy. Cuomo didn't kill those people. He was following guidance he was being given by the Fed Govt/CDC, etc. Also, I believe that nursing homes deserve some blame as how many news story's have reported elder abuse, etc. Were they accurately reporting covid? How could anyone know? At the time, it was a crisis just to keep people alive.
Frankly the whole thing was/is just a mess.
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Post by Opti on Feb 20, 2021 8:02:24 GMT -5
Here is where I am at. Yes Cuomo f'd up by not reporting properly, but at the time covid hit (and even now), can each death truly be ruled covid? Cuomo and team were fighting a losing battle with very little guidance. The fed gov't/trump claims that all those death numbers were overstated. "Those old people died cuz they were old, already sick, not covid". Criminal charges seem crazy. Cuomo didn't kill those people. He was following guidance he was being given by the Fed Govt/CDC, etc. Also, I believe that nursing homes deserve some blame as how many news story's have reported elder abuse, etc. Were they accurately reporting covid? How could anyone know? At the time, it was a crisis just to keep people alive. Frankly the whole thing was/is just a mess. I think because of the organization investigating it is a criminal investigation, but I remember the beginning of all this. NY and NJ got hit early and hard before much was known. I remember in February wondering along with coworkers when this disease would close up our facility or change it dramatically. In the beginning surfaces were the focus. Mail and packages were isolated for days and the front desk didn't even get the lowest variety of mask to wear at work. Some non nursing folk from housekeepers to social workers were buying their own. Gloves became scarce. From reading various articles, around this time I think one NJ's soldier's home isolated 4 sick men together in a small room. I'd like to think this would not have happened if we had known better. At the time, the bulk of the articles concentrated on how long Covid lived on surfaces from cardboard, aluminum, copper, etc. Lots of handwashing and do not touch your face especially eyes was the early wisdom. Sadly I think few places were transparent for various reasons. I don't know if HIPAA was the reason but as a worker I didn't even know who all had Covid or did not. Early in the pandemic many people quit. Some came back, so unless you spoke to them personally you never knew if they had had it and recovered, or just bailed until things were better known. It got less scary in May forward simply because I had survived so far without catching it and when the desk finally qualified for masks that helped too. I know we were excluded in large part due to the scarcity of PPE in those early months. For what it is worth, it is still the rare resident or patient who is aware enough to not take down their mask to talk to someone within 6 feet. I can only imagine how bad mask compliance was with them in the early days.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 20, 2021 9:40:10 GMT -5
As I understand it, early on when NY was hit hard, they were worried about the hospital systems getting overwhelmed. So the push was to ship out patients who no longer needed to be in the hospital. Patients who'd come from nursing homes, had to go back to nursing homes, even if they were still recovering from Covid (and in the early days, we didn't know how contagious they remained). Supposedly, if an individual nursing home couldn't appropriately deal with/quarantine those patients, they could say so, and other arrangements should have been made, but some nursing homes in NY have been badly managed. Those badly managed ones aren't likely to admit that and refuse a patient (and lose income), so you got outbreaks in badly managed nursing homes - partly by seeding the virus there by putting Covid patient back in, partly by low/no PPE, partly by poor management and policies and cost cutting, partly because these patients are fragile and maybe noncompliant and essentially a captive population in close quarters. It was a perfect storm.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 20, 2021 9:57:00 GMT -5
As I understand it, early on when NY was hit hard, they were worried about the hospital systems getting overwhelmed. So the push was to ship out patients who no longer needed to be in the hospital. Patients who'd come from nursing homes, had to go back to nursing homes, even if they were still recovering from Covid (and in the early days, we didn't know how contagious they remained). Supposedly, if an individual nursing home couldn't appropriately deal with/quarantine those patients, they could say so, and other arrangements should have been made, but some nursing homes in NY have been badly managed. Those badly managed ones aren't likely to admit that and refuse a patient (and lose income), so you got outbreaks in badly managed nursing homes - partly by seeding the virus there by putting Covid patient back in, partly by low/no PPE, partly by poor management and policies and cost cutting, partly because these patients are fragile and maybe noncompliant and essentially a captive population in close quarters. It was a perfect storm. 100% correct. Doesn’t absolve him about hiding the numbers. But, if we go after him for this, let’s be honest. Trump repeatedly claimed the numbers were inflated, claimed that the cases that weren’t covid and died from something else, and we were doing it to make him look bad. Well, it was exactly these cases. Florida has had a suspiciously high number of deaths from “pneumonia” especially early on, and descant is has been feuding with their former data scientist. The right wing talking point has been that the number has been inflated. Now they care? Yeah, right. Let’s get it all in the open. Call out everyone who has hid data, fudged numbers, and downplayed the severity. Let all of them deal with the consequences. But you can’t have it both ways
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Post by Opti on Feb 20, 2021 10:07:34 GMT -5
ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-releases-report-nursing-homes-response-covid-19Based on this information and subsequent investigation, OAG is currently conducting investigations into more than 20 nursing homes across the state. OAG found that:
A larger number of nursing home residents died from COVID-19 than DOH data reflected;
Lack of compliance with infection control protocols put residents at increased risk of harm;
Nursing homes that entered the pandemic with low U.S. Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services (CMS) Staffing ratings had higher COVID-19 fatality rates;
Insufficient personal protective equipment (PPE) for nursing home staff put residents at increased risk of harm;
Lots of bad things happened. Intentionally bad when better was possible should be punished. I'm not sure what should happen for those choices that had to be made due to insufficient PPE, space, Hospital beds, etc.
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Post by Opti on Feb 20, 2021 10:29:31 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about the below. That statistic includes 1,885 seniors who died in hospitals and weren’t included in the official DOH count of nursing home deaths until the Cuomo administration finally began releasing their numbers, under duress, in the wake of a damning report last month from state Attorney General Letitia James.nypost.com/2021/02/15/cuomos-covid-cover-up-hid-nearly-1900-nyc-nursing-home-deaths/The nursing home side of the facility I work at is short term, not long term. Some patients did indeed go to hospitals if their Covid got worse and some who didn't have Covid when they went to the hospital came back with it. How really should that be counted? Not all nursing homes are long term residential facilities. Some are short term Rehab facilities. Where should the numbers be counted and why should it be any different from any other causes of death? To me it makes more sense to track the spread as opposed to assigning deaths that occurred in the hospital to the nursing homes. For our short term side, most patients come from the hospital initially, a handful come directly from home, but none of these have been Covid patients. Patients with bad health issues can go back and forth from the hospital until they either get well enough to go elsewhere or get bad enough they expire.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 22, 2021 13:19:05 GMT -5
Anyone else notice the Q talking point changed from "Covid deaths are overstated, because they are counting all deaths, including falling off a ladder, as Covid." to "Damn liberals are undercounting Covid deaths to hide their mistakes." ?
Pick a lane.
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Post by justme on Feb 22, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5
Not even Q. I've seen some more rational conservatives that were all over "just because they had covid and died doesn't mean it was a covid death - like if they had covid but died in a car crash" to how dar Cuomo under count and he was horrible to send them to the nursing homes.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 22, 2021 18:30:46 GMT -5
Not even Q. I've seen some more rational conservatives that were all over "just because they had covid and died doesn't mean it was a covid death - like if they had covid but died in a car crash" to how dar Cuomo under count and he was horrible to send them to the nursing homes. The jury is still out on rational conservatives. They all seemed to have at least a little Q in their heads. At least until Jan 6th. I think that nightmare woke up a few people.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 28, 2021 8:56:24 GMT -5
Not even Q. I've seen some more rational conservatives that were all over "just because they had covid and died doesn't mean it was a covid death - like if they had covid but died in a car crash" to how dar Cuomo under count and he was horrible to send them to the nursing homes. The jury is still out on rational conservatives. They all seemed to have at least a little Q in their heads. At least until Jan 6th. I think that nightmare woke up a few people. Anyone that still calls themselves a Republucan is crazy. The rhetoric needs to change from let's have unity to let's get rid of these bastards.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 28, 2021 17:58:01 GMT -5
Anyone else notice the Q talking point changed from "Covid deaths are overstated, because they are counting all deaths, including falling off a ladder, as Covid." to "Damn liberals are undercounting Covid deaths to hide their mistakes." ? Pick a lane. They are choosing a lane - like someone drunk out of their skull swerving all over the road as suits the moment (in their opinion)
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 2, 2021 11:11:28 GMT -5
The good news is - maybe he will disappear.
Unless he pulls a Rudy and shows back up in 20 years as an absolute nut case. We've had enough of that.
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Post by Bob Ross on Mar 2, 2021 16:36:33 GMT -5
Is there like, an unwritten rule that once you get in a position of power, you have to sexually harass a whole bunch of women?
The most insane is Madison Cawthorn. Given this happened before he got elected to congress, but why the hell would someone who is paralyzed from the waist down need to sexually assault women?
Think about it.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 2, 2021 17:03:34 GMT -5
Is there like, an unwritten rule that once you get in a position of power, you have to sexually harass a whole bunch of women? The most insane is Madison Cawthorn. Given this happened before he got elected to congress, but why the hell would someone who is paralyzed from the waist down need to sexually assault women? Think about it. i think these event occurred before the accident? does the accident clear him somehow?
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Post by swamp on Mar 2, 2021 17:05:29 GMT -5
Is there like, an unwritten rule that once you get in a position of power, you have to sexually harass a whole bunch of women? The most insane is Madison Cawthorn. Given this happened before he got elected to congress, but why the hell would someone who is paralyzed from the waist down need to sexually assault women? Think about it. i think these event occurred before the accident? does the accident clear him somehow? No, the accident was before he went to college.
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Post by swamp on Mar 2, 2021 17:05:46 GMT -5
Is there like, an unwritten rule that once you get in a position of power, you have to sexually harass a whole bunch of women? The most insane is Madison Cawthorn. Given this happened before he got elected to congress, but why the hell would someone who is paralyzed from the waist down need to sexually assault women? Think about it. Yes.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 2, 2021 17:06:10 GMT -5
Is there like, an unwritten rule that once you get in a position of power, you have to sexually harass a whole bunch of women? The most insane is Madison Cawthorn. Given this happened before he got elected to congress, but why the hell would someone who is paralyzed from the waist down need to sexually assault women? Think about it. Maybe there is a correlation between the cockiness it takes to just assume all women want you and the cockiness it takes to believe you can run a state/country. Maybe being a good guy in politics (and maybe business too) is impossible because of what you must say and do to get to a certain level of power. And if you are that sleazy you probably already treated a bunch of people like shit.
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Post by Opti on Mar 2, 2021 17:08:56 GMT -5
Is there like, an unwritten rule that once you get in a position of power, you have to sexually harass a whole bunch of women? The most insane is Madison Cawthorn. Given this happened before he got elected to congress, but why the hell would someone who is paralyzed from the waist down need to sexually assault women? Think about it. Its a power thing. Given he's in a wheelchair, he may feel the need to diss enough others to feel good. And of course I guess they need to be women as perhaps he doesn't know how to abuse men in a way that makes him feel better.
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