Once fully vaccinated, you don’t have to quarantine 3 mths

[Miss Tequila]

www.cnn.com/2021/02/10/health/covid-vaccinated-quarantine-cdc-guidance/index.html

Sorry, I ran out of room with the title!

I’m also on my phone so I can’t quote. But essentially, once we are 2 weeks passed the second vaccination, if we are exposed to Covid we don’t have to quarantine. This is for anyone that is within 3 months of the vaccine

Dear God, please tell me this vaccine lasts more than 3 months! The country won’t even be fully vaccinated by the time in 3 months out

[oped]

By the time you get to 3 months, we will know how the guys vaccinated 6 months ago are faring... and so on. It is just not possible to be more sure at this point, because no one has really had it longer than that at this point. There will also be a testing lag to analyze data, etc. 

I'm sure as it becomes available they will update data. 

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 11, 2021 19:33:54 GMT -5 oped said:

By the time you get to 3 months, we will know how the guys vaccinated 6 months ago are faring... and so on. It is just not possible to be more sure at this point, because no one has really had it longer than that at this point. There will also be a testing lag to analyze data, etc. 

I'm sure as it becomes available they will update data. 

Not the answer I want. Can’t you pat my head and tell me I misunderstood? Lol

I’m acting like a child and I admit it. But I can’t take another year of this. I can wear masks without a problem. But I need to be able to leave my house and not feel like I’m committing suicide.

[oped]

There is every reason to believe that it works longer, especially with double shots. However, especially given variants there will likely need to be future boosters. 

Would it help to think that this first vaccine, while it might not confer total immunity forever, is likely to help us develop systemic immunity that will result in Covid not being as deadly as it has been. There is a good chance, as I understand it (and please med people correct me if i am wrong)... its likely to protect against severe virus. 

In other words it seems likely this becomes another flu we mitigate fairly efficiently long term. 

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 11, 2021 19:43:04 GMT -5 oped said:

There is every reason to believe that it works longer, especially with double shots. However, especially given variants there will likely need to be future boosters. 

Would it help to think that this first vaccine, while it might not confer total immunity forever, is likely to help us develop systemic immunity that will result in Covid not being as deadly as it has been. There is a good chance, as I understand it (and please med people correct me if i am wrong)... its likely to protect against severe virus. 

In other words it seems likely this becomes another flu we mitigate fairly efficiently long term. 

I sure hope so. I don’t know that I will survive another bout with severe Covid. I just want my life back. And I know we are all in the same boat. I’m feeling extra whiney today.

[jerseygirl]

Pfizer vaccine starts to be pretty effective one week after first dose


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[teen persuasion]

Feb 11, 2021 19:38:21 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Feb 11, 2021 19:33:54 GMT -5 oped said:

By the time you get to 3 months, we will know how the guys vaccinated 6 months ago are faring... and so on. It is just not possible to be more sure at this point, because no one has really had it longer than that at this point. There will also be a testing lag to analyze data, etc. 

I'm sure as it becomes available they will update data. 

Not the answer I want. Can’t you pat my head and tell me I misunderstood? Lol

I’m acting like a child and I admit it. But I can’t take another year of this. I can wear masks without a problem. But I need to be able to leave my house and not feel like I’m committing suicide.

But we are looking at 15 more months, at least, until everyone in the US is vaccinated!

[movingforward]

Feb 11, 2021 21:08:46 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Feb 11, 2021 19:38:21 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Not the answer I want. Can’t you pat my head and tell me I misunderstood? Lol

I’m acting like a child and I admit it. But I can’t take another year of this. I can wear masks without a problem. But I need to be able to leave my house and not feel like I’m committing suicide.

But we are looking at 15 more months, at least, until everyone in the US is vaccinated!

Everyone is never going to be vaccinated. Hospitalizations and deaths will be what states will be tracking and relying upon when making decisions. We could end up with only 50-60% of the population vaccinated but as long as it is the high risk people then hospitalizations and deaths will be minimal.

It appears my state is on track to have at least half (if not more) of the population vaccinated by June, maybe July at the latest. My guess is that retail and restaurants will be back at full capacity by summer.

[oped]

Feb 11, 2021 21:08:46 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Feb 11, 2021 19:38:21 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Not the answer I want. Can’t you pat my head and tell me I misunderstood? Lol

I’m acting like a child and I admit it. But I can’t take another year of this. I can wear masks without a problem. But I need to be able to leave my house and not feel like I’m committing suicide.

But we are looking at 15 more months, at least, until everyone in the US is vaccinated!

15 months? Do you have a source?

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 11, 2021 21:17:25 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Feb 11, 2021 21:08:46 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

But we are looking at 15 more months, at least, until everyone in the US is vaccinated!

Everyone is never going to be vaccinated. Hospitalizations and deaths will be what states will be tracking and relying upon when making decisions. We could end up with only 50-60% of the population vaccinated but as long as it is the high risk people then hospitalizations and deaths will be minimal.

It appears my state is on track to have at least half (if not more) of the population vaccinated by June, maybe July at the latest. My guess is that retail and restaurants will be back at full capacity by summer.

It looks like my state will be 50% by august and 75% by October.  So many states wont get there until 2022.  

[oped]

That’s current rates though? Because everything would indicate continually increasing supply and efficiency of distribution.

[movingforward]

Yeah, 15 months doesn't seem right to me. We will be getting vaccine approvals and get better at distribution.

My state already has 12% of the population with at least one dose. My guess is we will make major strides over the next 3-4 months.

And EVERYONE is probably never going to be vaccinated because some will just refuse. I've decided that's okay...if they want to build immunity the old fashioned way or if they want to hide inside their house for the next decade then fine. At some point the rest of us move on with life.

[movingforward]

Feb 11, 2021 21:25:46 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Feb 11, 2021 21:17:25 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Everyone is never going to be vaccinated. Hospitalizations and deaths will be what states will be tracking and relying upon when making decisions. We could end up with only 50-60% of the population vaccinated but as long as it is the high risk people then hospitalizations and deaths will be minimal.

It appears my state is on track to have at least half (if not more) of the population vaccinated by June, maybe July at the latest. My guess is that retail and restaurants will be back at full capacity by summer.

It looks like my state will be 50% by august and 75% by October.  So many states wont get there until 2022.  

Honestly, I think you will be lucky to get 75% of the population vaccinated period. Probably at least 30% of the population will refuse vaccination. As long as you are vaccinated then you should feel safe. I just hope the vaccine lasts at least a year. I know moderna has stated they believe theirs could be effective up to 2 years but not completely sure yet.

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 11, 2021 21:37:27 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Feb 11, 2021 21:25:46 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

It looks like my state will be 50% by august and 75% by October.  So many states wont get there until 2022.  

Honestly, I think you will be lucky to get 75% of the population vaccinated period. Probably at least 30% of the population will refuse vaccination. As long as you are vaccinated then you should feel safe. I just hope the vaccine lasts at least a year. I know moderna has stated they believe theirs could be effective up to 2 years but not completely sure yet.

My family and I all got our first dose. I’m hoping to feel safer after the second dose. I have a huge mental hurdle to overcome but that’s my issue to overcome. But every time I read about different variants or the vaccine being temporary, I start down the rabbit hole

Honestly, I think the worst thing I did was retire. I have way too much time to obsess!

[movingforward]

Feb 11, 2021 21:53:28 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Feb 11, 2021 21:37:27 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Honestly, I think you will be lucky to get 75% of the population vaccinated period. Probably at least 30% of the population will refuse vaccination. As long as you are vaccinated then you should feel safe. I just hope the vaccine lasts at least a year. I know moderna has stated they believe theirs could be effective up to 2 years but not completely sure yet.

My family and I all got our first dose. I’m hoping to feel safer after the second dose. I have a huge mental hurdle to overcome but that’s my issue to overcome. But every time I read about different variants or the vaccine being temporary, I start down the rabbit hole

Honestly, I think the worst thing I did was retire. I have way too much time to obsess!

Yeah, I can't imagine what it must be like having experienced what you have. My blood pressure starts to go up when I hear those things and I've never had covid. It gets frustrating because it seems like we see light at the end of the tunnel and then negative stuff starts to darken it again. Honestly, I can't do it any longer. I'm focusing on positive outcomes.

[teen persuasion]

Feb 11, 2021 21:22:08 GMT -5 oped said:

Feb 11, 2021 21:08:46 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

But we are looking at 15 more months, at least, until everyone in the US is vaccinated!

15 months? Do you have a source?

Don't remember where I first heard it, I've been reading [BN] a lot at work because they have a subscription, and Twitter scrolling, but I've seen 15 months, and May '22 (which is 15 months) multiple times.

First Google hit: CNN

In the past seven days, about 914,000 doses have been administered daily. If vaccination continues at this same rate, every adult in the US could be fully vaccinated by summer 2022, according to a CNN analysis.
If vaccination picks up to 1 million shots per day, in line with Biden's promise, that timeline could bump up to spring 2022.

Note that's adults, not including children.

Generally "everyone" is shorthand for everyone who wants to be vaccinated, not every last person.

[movingforward]

We are currently at around 1.3 million doses per day and that is probably going to get much better once the J&J vaccine is approved. More than likely we will get to around 1.5 mil per day. Even Fauci has predicted all those that want to be vaccinated probably will by this coming fall, and I would say he has always been on the cautious side.

graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/VACCINE-CALCULATOR/rlgvdgewwpo/

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 11, 2021 22:04:25 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Feb 11, 2021 21:22:08 GMT -5 oped said:

15 months? Do you have a source?

Don't remember where I first heard it, I've been reading [BN] a lot at work because they have a subscription, and Twitter scrolling, but I've seen 15 months, and May '22 (which is 15 months) multiple times.

First Google hit: CNN

In the past seven days, about 914,000 doses have been administered daily. If vaccination continues at this same rate, every adult in the US could be fully vaccinated by summer 2022, according to a CNN analysis.
If vaccination picks up to 1 million shots per day, in line with Biden's promise, that timeline could bump up to spring 2022.

Note that's adults, not including children.

Generally "everyone" is shorthand for everyone who wants to be vaccinated, not every last person.

Not sure how old that article is. We’ve been at 1million per day or more since mid January.

[thyme4change]

Biden says U.S. will have enough vaccine for 300 million people by end of July


www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/11/vaccine-supply-biden/

Hopefully his plan works out and the supply is adequate.
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Also, this morning on CNN they reported that the pharmacy industry believes they could initiate a plan that would enable them to do 100 million vaccinations per month. If we have to get a booster every 3 months (assuming the booster is a single shot) they theoretically could do 300 million people in 3 months.

Having to get a booster 3 or 4 times per year would suck. But not suck as bad as dying or spending another year in lockdown.

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 12, 2021 10:44:12 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Biden says U.S. will have enough vaccine for 300 million people by end of July


www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/11/vaccine-supply-biden/

Hopefully his plan works out and the supply is adequate.
‐-----‐---------------
Also, this morning on CNN they reported that the pharmacy industry believes they could initiate a plan that would enable them to do 100 million vaccinations per month. If we have to get a booster every 3 months (assuming the booster is a single shot) they theoretically could do 300 million people in 3 months.

Having to get a booster 3 or 4 times per year would suck. But not suck as bad as dying or spending another year in lockdown.

I’m definitely willing to get a booster as often as recommended. Much better than the risk of Covid. I do worry that not enough people will think that way

[thyme4change]

Feb 12, 2021 11:09:26 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Feb 12, 2021 10:44:12 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Biden says U.S. will have enough vaccine for 300 million people by end of July


www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/11/vaccine-supply-biden/

Hopefully his plan works out and the supply is adequate.
‐-----‐---------------
Also, this morning on CNN they reported that the pharmacy industry believes they could initiate a plan that would enable them to do 100 million vaccinations per month. If we have to get a booster every 3 months (assuming the booster is a single shot) they theoretically could do 300 million people in 3 months.

Having to get a booster 3 or 4 times per year would suck. But not suck as bad as dying or spending another year in lockdown.

I’m definitely willing to get a booster as often as recommended. Much better than the risk of Covid. I do worry that not enough people will think that way

I was surprised to hear that like 50% of people got flu shots each year. That was higher than expected. I also think there are people that are more willing to take a covid shot, just due to the severity of the disease. But once per year vs. once every few months is different.

I fear you are correct that we can't get 70-80% of the population to comply even getting the first shot, much less the booster. At times like this, I have to just step back and do the best I can. I will protect my family and myself. I will encourage others. But, if I can't convince someone, that is their cross to bear.

[oped]

They might not get the vaccine. But if they don’t they will eventually get the virus... in an environment where more health care professionals are vaccinated and fewer people are getting it so that more will receive adequate care and survive. Will it be ideal? Has anything about this been? No... but we will get to the same place, eventually.

[movingforward]

I don't imagine we will need to get vaccinated every 3 months. Think of all the millions of people in the world that have been infected with covid, and only a handful have even been reinfected. We know it can happen but antibodies appear to be showing up at least 8 months later. We don't know exactly how the vaccine will work quite yet, I am thinking at least a year of immunity and maybe more. I think whether we even have to get more boosters will be determined by new variants. Evidence shows that the vaccine works on the new variants, though less effective. All we want is to keep people out of the hospital and from dying. Hopefully, these vaccines will definitely manage to do that...

Also, like oped said lots of people have had covid and those that aren't vaccinated will eventually get the virus. We will all get there one way or another. Some people seem to prefer the hard way.

[giramomma]

I guess I'd like to hear more about the disease before I jump to conclusions about everything.

We don't know why some people, like Miss T, who were extra cautious about venturing into the world got it, and yet, my family, that has been out and about in the world hasn't.

Between scouts, cheer, and martial arts, and gymnastics, all my girls have been out of the house pretty frequently since May of 20.

My son has been working at a grocery store from Day 1 of the pandemic.

I've been teaching in person lessons, both indoors and outdoors. I even went to a crafting retreat to help save my sanity.

My inlaws have been out and about more than we have at times.

So, my little pod (the 6 of us + my inlaws) should have come down with covid by now, no?

I would also like to know why Miss T got such a bad case, yet one of my kiddos brought Covid home to his immuno-compromised dad, and the dad basically had a cold for a couple of days. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Miss T's health, but she's never said she's immuno compromised.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Feb 12, 2021 11:53:48 GMT -5 oped said:

They might not get the vaccine. But if they don’t they will eventually get the virus... in an environment where more health care professionals are vaccinated and fewer people are getting it so that more will receive adequate care and survive. Will it be ideal? Has anything about this been? No... but we will get to the same place, eventually.

10% of our county has already been confirmed positive.  Who knows how many more had it and either didn't know or didn't bother testing because they knew they had it due to exposure.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was another 10%.  Add the 12% that have been vaccinated and it's starting to make a dent. The more people out there that can't transmit the virus the slower it will spread.  They've been getting about 2-4% of our county vaccinated every week.  Barring supply issues there are going to be a lot with at least one dose in a couple months.

[movingforward]

Feb 12, 2021 15:03:19 GMT -5 giramomma said:

I guess I'd like to hear more about the disease before I jump to conclusions about everything.

We don't know why some people, like Miss T, who were extra cautious about venturing into the world got it, and yet, my family, that has been out and about in the world hasn't.

Between scouts, cheer, and martial arts, and gymnastics, all my girls have been out of the house pretty frequently since May of 20.

My son has been working at a grocery store from Day 1 of the pandemic.

I've been teaching in person lessons, both indoors and outdoors. I even went to a crafting retreat to help save my sanity.

My inlaws have been out and about more than we have at times.

So, my little pod (the 6 of us + my inlaws) should have come down with covid by now, no?

I would also like to know why Miss T got such a bad case, yet one of my kiddos brought Covid home to his immuno-compromised dad, and the dad basically had a cold for a couple of days. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Miss T's health, but she's never said she's immuno compromised.

Most people that get infected get it from close unmasked contact with family and friends. Just being out of the house doesn't really mean anything, which is why I was never a fan of shutdown. In May I started going to the gym 4 days a week, I eat out at least once per week, in August I probably visited 6-7 casinos and I have never gotten covid. My dad goes to a casino almost everyday and has never gotten covid. I actually only know one person that doesn't know where they contracted the virus and he is an optometrist. He sees about 30-40 patients a day. He thinks he probably got it from a patient. Even though masked that is some really close contact. It's in the droplets so just being out of the house or even sitting beside or walking past someone in the grocery store with the virus doesn't mean you are going to get it. Unless those droplets enter your body in some form you are not going to get covid.

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 12, 2021 16:14:04 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Feb 12, 2021 15:03:19 GMT -5 giramomma said:

I guess I'd like to hear more about the disease before I jump to conclusions about everything.

We don't know why some people, like Miss T, who were extra cautious about venturing into the world got it, and yet, my family, that has been out and about in the world hasn't.

Between scouts, cheer, and martial arts, and gymnastics, all my girls have been out of the house pretty frequently since May of 20.

My son has been working at a grocery store from Day 1 of the pandemic.

I've been teaching in person lessons, both indoors and outdoors. I even went to a crafting retreat to help save my sanity.

My inlaws have been out and about more than we have at times.

So, my little pod (the 6 of us + my inlaws) should have come down with covid by now, no?

I would also like to know why Miss T got such a bad case, yet one of my kiddos brought Covid home to his immuno-compromised dad, and the dad basically had a cold for a couple of days. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Miss T's health, but she's never said she's immuno compromised.

Most people that get infected get it from close unmasked contact with family and friends. Just being out of the house doesn't really mean anything, which is why I was never a fan of shutdown. In May I started going to the gym 4 days a week, I eat out at least once per week, in August I probably visited 6-7 casinos and I have never gotten covid. My dad goes to a casino almost everyday and has never gotten covid. I actually only know one person that doesn't know where they contracted the virus and he is an optometrist. He sees about 30-40 patients a day. He thinks he probably got it from a patient. Even though masked that is some really close contact. It's in the droplets so just being out of the house or even sitting beside or walking past someone in the grocery store with the virus doesn't mean you are going to get it. Unless those droplets enter your body in some form you are not going to get covid.

I got it from living in the same as as my 21 year old who had Covid. She got it because she was 21 and invincible. She was a bartender and the bar was not following the rules. She was also going out with her friends. She and 5 of her friends got it. They were mostly very mild symptoms.

I know of people who claim not to know where they got it. My own aunt claims she always wore a mask yet still got it. The pictures I saw of her at a wedding tell a different story. So yes, I think most people got it by either not following the rules or living with someone who didn’t follow the rules

[Miss Tequila]

Feb 12, 2021 15:03:19 GMT -5 giramomma said:

I guess I'd like to hear more about the disease before I jump to conclusions about everything.

We don't know why some people, like Miss T, who were extra cautious about venturing into the world got it, and yet, my family, that has been out and about in the world hasn't.

Between scouts, cheer, and martial arts, and gymnastics, all my girls have been out of the house pretty frequently since May of 20.

My son has been working at a grocery store from Day 1 of the pandemic.

I've been teaching in person lessons, both indoors and outdoors. I even went to a crafting retreat to help save my sanity.

My inlaws have been out and about more than we have at times.

So, my little pod (the 6 of us + my inlaws) should have come down with covid by now, no?

I would also like to know why Miss T got such a bad case, yet one of my kiddos brought Covid home to his immuno-compromised dad, and the dad basically had a cold for a couple of days. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Miss T's health, but she's never said she's immuno compromised.

Oh, I was extra cautious. I later found out that my 21 year old was not. I never meant to give the impression that I don’t know how I got it.

She actually got worried because the bar she worked at was not following the rules. Not because she thought she would get sick (she is invincible!) but because she is also law enforcement and didn’t want to put her career at risk. So she called off and told them she couldn't work anymore.  But it was too late, she had covid and didn't know it.  She and 5 of her friends wound up all getting it within days of each other, which tells you that none of them was following the rules.

My daughter moved out 3 months later and it's a good thing.  She is taking in more seriously than she was but only because she is in the academy and doesn't want to get sent home.  she is convinced I can't get it again...it's a battle with her!  

ETA a few things :  I had no underlying health conditions.  I am fat and that is apparantly a huge risk.  Having said that, I know plenty of people fatter than me, with underlying conditions, and they did not get as sick as I did.  That is honestly why this virus scares the shit out of me.  There was no reason for me to get as bad as I did.  My husband no longer smokes but he did for close to 30 years.  What would happen to him if he gets it?  

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 12, 2021 15:03:19 GMT -5 giramomma said:

I guess I'd like to hear more about the disease before I jump to conclusions about everything.

We don't know why some people, like Miss T, who were extra cautious about venturing into the world got it, and yet, my family, that has been out and about in the world hasn't.

Between scouts, cheer, and martial arts, and gymnastics, all my girls have been out of the house pretty frequently since May of 20.

My son has been working at a grocery store from Day 1 of the pandemic.

I've been teaching in person lessons, both indoors and outdoors. I even went to a crafting retreat to help save my sanity.

My inlaws have been out and about more than we have at times.

So, my little pod (the 6 of us + my inlaws) should have come down with covid by now, no?

I would also like to know why Miss T got such a bad case, yet one of my kiddos brought Covid home to his immuno-compromised dad, and the dad basically had a cold for a couple of days. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Miss T's health, but she's never said she's immuno compromised.

Therein lies one of the beauties of why this virus is so perfect to cause mayhem.  They do not know?

I have a 40 year old female friend who is a radiologist.  She caught covid from work, she’s about 3 months out.  She’s been hospitalized twice, and now needs a pacemaker as the virus did something to her heart.  Whether or not permanently is now up in the air.

My niece caught it, and has had worse colds.  

It is a crap shoot as to how you respond to the virus.  If doctors knew, they’d be able to do something but they don’t.  This virus does not act like other viruses.  

[Deleted]

We've managed to eradicate polio and smallpox from the U.S.  by mandating vaccinations.  Yes, the immune-compromised are exempted, but it's not really a personal choice.  Don't have your shots?  You can't go to public (and many private) schools unless you belong to one of the compromised groups.  Sure, the anti-vaxers can find a way to exist, but the majority of people of people are vaccinated.

I think it will be the same with COVID, particularly if boosters are required, once there is sufficient vaccine.  I personally know very few people who don't want to be vaccinated and a lot of people who do.  And I live in the South, which is pretty conservative about issues like this.  If we eventually require it to go to school (with immune-compromised exceptions), fly in planes, etc., most of the population will do it.  

My worry is the black community.  There is some resistance, at least in Alabama, because of the Tuskegee experiments.  I understand the mistrust.  Fortunately, many African-American ministers and political leaders are stepping up to take it as reassurance.  That is so important.