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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 30, 2021 22:10:21 GMT -5
Trump is bad for many donors' brands.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 30, 2021 22:25:43 GMT -5
Trump is bad for many donors' brands. The gop cult of personality and "purity" is gonna start hurting when the big money walks. These marjorie type characters - common! - how do we know she isn't a paranoid schizophrenic? There is no way to tell because everything out of her mouth is crazy. Who voted for her, seriously?? who donated? NRA? who else? Will be interesting to watch this unfold, and I hope we find that at least 75% of the country has retained some partial sanity points....
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 30, 2021 22:31:55 GMT -5
Posted the below on the Presidential Behavior board. Another walkway. Trump’s top impeachment lawyer has left his team
Former President Donald Trump has lost his top impeachment lawyer just days before his trial is to begin, a person familiar with his legal strategy and two attorneys close to the team confirmed on Saturday night. Butch Bowers, a South Carolina lawyer who was reportedly set to play a major role in the Senate’s trial of the former president, is now no longer with the team. Deborah Barbier, another South Carolina lawyer, won’t be either. The person described it as a “mutual decision” and said new names will be announced shortly. The decision by Bowers and Barbier to not join the team raised immediate questions, both about what compelled them to part ways and who actually will play the role of lawyer to Trump when the impeachment trial starts in early February. Trump has had difficulty finding legal help for his second impeachment, with some of the lawyers who worked on his first trial saying they wouldn’t do the same this go around. Bowers’ hiring was first announced by Trump ally and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham. A longtime Republican attorney, Bowers represented former South Carolina Govs. Mark Sanford and Nikki Haley, and had experience in election law. Article here: link
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 30, 2021 22:31:59 GMT -5
Trump is bad for many donors' brands. The gop cult of personality and "purity" is gonna start hurting when the big money walks. These marjorie type characters - common! - how do we know she isn't a paranoid schizophrenic? There is no way to tell because everything out of her mouth is crazy. Who voted for her, seriously?? who donated? NRA? who else? Will be interesting to watch this unfold, and I hope we find that at least 75% of the country has retained some partial sanity points.... She can't be schizophrenic! She is a upper middle class white conservative. Her opinion is more valid than facts. If she was a poor person, a person of color and/or a liberal then she'd get the proper label for her behavior. Just shows how far the Republican party has fallen. Power indeed corrupts.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2021 22:44:57 GMT -5
Trump is bad for many donors' brands. The gop cult of personality and "purity" is gonna start hurting when the big money walks. These marjorie type characters - common! - how do we know she isn't a paranoid schizophrenic? There is no way to tell because everything out of her mouth is crazy. Who voted for her, seriously?? who donated? NRA? who else? Will be interesting to watch this unfold, and I hope we find that at least 75% of the country has retained some partial sanity points.... has the NRA emerged from bankruptcy yet?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 30, 2021 22:53:50 GMT -5
Posted the below on the Presidential Behavior board. Another walkway. Trump’s top impeachment lawyer has left his team
Former President Donald Trump has lost his top impeachment lawyer just days before his trial is to begin, a person familiar with his legal strategy and two attorneys close to the team confirmed on Saturday night. Butch Bowers, a South Carolina lawyer who was reportedly set to play a major role in the Senate’s trial of the former president, is now no longer with the team. Deborah Barbier, another South Carolina lawyer, won’t be either. The person described it as a “mutual decision” and said new names will be announced shortly. The decision by Bowers and Barbier to not join the team raised immediate questions, both about what compelled them to part ways and who actually will play the role of lawyer to Trump when the impeachment trial starts in early February. Trump has had difficulty finding legal help for his second impeachment, with some of the lawyers who worked on his first trial saying they wouldn’t do the same this go around. Bowers’ hiring was first announced by Trump ally and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham. A longtime Republican attorney, Bowers represented former South Carolina Govs. Mark Sanford and Nikki Haley, and had experience in election law. Article here: linkdidn't see that, just started a thread on 5 of his lawyers have quit.....
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 30, 2021 23:03:01 GMT -5
Posted the below on the Presidential Behavior board. Another walkway. Trump’s top impeachment lawyer has left his team
Former President Donald Trump has lost his top impeachment lawyer just days before his trial is to begin, a person familiar with his legal strategy and two attorneys close to the team confirmed on Saturday night. Butch Bowers, a South Carolina lawyer who was reportedly set to play a major role in the Senate’s trial of the former president, is now no longer with the team. Deborah Barbier, another South Carolina lawyer, won’t be either. The person described it as a “mutual decision” and said new names will be announced shortly. The decision by Bowers and Barbier to not join the team raised immediate questions, both about what compelled them to part ways and who actually will play the role of lawyer to Trump when the impeachment trial starts in early February. Trump has had difficulty finding legal help for his second impeachment, with some of the lawyers who worked on his first trial saying they wouldn’t do the same this go around. Bowers’ hiring was first announced by Trump ally and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham. A longtime Republican attorney, Bowers represented former South Carolina Govs. Mark Sanford and Nikki Haley, and had experience in election law. Article here: linkdidn't see that, just started a thread on 5 of his lawyers have quit..... Not a problem. I think most posters have had enough of trump'bad behavior and have stopped reading the Presidential Behavior thread.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 31, 2021 1:03:37 GMT -5
So did those lawyers quit because they send the Loser their first bill and he has already defaulted? Seems logical to me
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 31, 2021 1:46:30 GMT -5
So did those lawyers quit because they send the Loser their first bill and he has already defaulted? Seems logical to me Apparently he wanted them to defend him on the election fraud, rather than the law. More lawyers who wish to uphold the constitution.
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Post by forwardwego on Jan 31, 2021 9:03:33 GMT -5
Thank you Jacob Monty:
“If you stay in the Republican Party, you have to pay homage to Trump and I don’t do that, I don’t pray to any man.” Jacob Monty
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Post by mary2029 on Jan 31, 2021 9:45:41 GMT -5
Wow... you can take the Republican out of a man, but you can't take the moral superiority out of him.
Really, you have donated money and then the vast majority of people no longer support your beliefs so you up and quit (and then join a bigger group of people who don't support your beliefs)? And then you throw soundbites out there like Trump owns the party and you have to pay homage to him? What a lack of respect for Romney, Cheney, Kemp and many, many others.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 31, 2021 10:28:39 GMT -5
At this point, it comes down to the voters. If voters continue to get these shitty crazies into office, donors will return. They can't risk having half the government be non-friendly.
However, we are seeing more and more anti-business sentiments from people like Tucker Carlson, so who know what direction this will go.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 31, 2021 11:56:16 GMT -5
Wow... you can take the Republican out of a man, but you can't take the moral superiority out of him. Really, you have donated money and then the vast majority of people no longer support your beliefs so you up and quit (and then join a bigger group of people who don't support your beliefs)? And then you throw soundbites out there like Trump owns the party and you have to pay homage to him? What a lack of respect for Romney, Cheney, Kemp and many, many others. let's get real here. Why should anyone stay in a politial party that they no longer support and that they no longer feels is addressing the needs they feel the country needs to look to. Then - for Romney, cheney, et al. they are likely going to have to make a similar move at some point. They are trying to lead by principle and they are mere drops in the ocean on gop leadership. I wouldn't think they would move to democratic but to something outside this current gop because this is likely going to be a case of trying to get a genie of madness back into the bottle, and I don't think it's going to work.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 31, 2021 12:12:04 GMT -5
At this point, it comes down to the voters. If voters continue to get these shitty crazies into office, donors will return. They can't risk having half the government be non-friendly. However, we are seeing more and more anti-business sentiments from people like Tucker Carlson, so who know what direction this will go. yeah - let's not think that these donors are all going on conscience here. a few may be but for the most part they are making statements and engaging in actions that they feel will do them the most good. mainly on a financial plane. stable government is of course a given, outside of arms manufactures. then - who has the most the money, the most buying power? Considering the information age where company support of candidates can be very easy broadcast and boycott calls reach millions at the drop of a tweet, and I think people en mass have a lot more power than ever before. Evidenced by the riot, gamestop, etc. So it just goes down to which route has the most people, most customers, most money.
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Post by mary2029 on Jan 31, 2021 12:34:49 GMT -5
Wow... you can take the Republican out of a man, but you can't take the moral superiority out of him. Really, you have donated money and then the vast majority of people no longer support your beliefs so you up and quit (and then join a bigger group of people who don't support your beliefs)? And then you throw soundbites out there like Trump owns the party and you have to pay homage to him? What a lack of respect for Romney, Cheney, Kemp and many, many others. let's get real here. Why should anyone stay in a politial party that they no longer support and that they no longer feels is addressing the needs they feel the country needs to look to. Then - for Romney, cheney, et al. they are likely going to have to make a similar move at some point. They are trying to lead by principle and they are mere drops in the ocean on gop leadership. I wouldn't think they would move to democratic but to something outside this current gop because this is likely going to be a case of trying to get a genie of madness back into the bottle, and I don't think it's going to work. Ok, let's be real. Remember the Tea Party? That lasted all of 10 years from beginning to end and only made a slight impact for a few months. Occupy Wall Street also only allowed a brief period of time. Someone posted a 40-min clip of the two comedians who interviewed lots of people on Jan 6. One of the messages was that while people were angry, they didn't have a focused goal. So, the Trump followers too will pass. The more you give attention to it, the longer it will last. (Note, I am not saying that rascist and white supremacy beliefs will pass.) The more people "insult" this group, the more likely they are going to dig their heels in and maintain their beliefs. I am not saying that people should not follow their beliefs. I am saying that this person calling everyone he has been interacting with in the last 20+ years a Trump sycophant is full of himself and looking for a spotlight. I support everybody having a right to their beliefs, their right to state them and them following whatever party they want to follow. I view his statements "insulting" and hypocritical. I am willing to bet that he is either going to return to the Republican party in 10 years once Trump is dead or he had to make such a strong statement to keep his law office running.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 31, 2021 15:39:03 GMT -5
let's get real here. Why should anyone stay in a politial party that they no longer support and that they no longer feels is addressing the needs they feel the country needs to look to. Then - for Romney, cheney, et al. they are likely going to have to make a similar move at some point. They are trying to lead by principle and they are mere drops in the ocean on gop leadership. I wouldn't think they would move to democratic but to something outside this current gop because this is likely going to be a case of trying to get a genie of madness back into the bottle, and I don't think it's going to work. Ok, let's be real. Remember the Tea Party? That lasted all of 10 years from beginning to end and only made a slight impact for a few months. Occupy Wall Street also only allowed a brief period of time. Someone posted a 40-min clip of the two comedians who interviewed lots of people on Jan 6. One of the messages was that while people were angry, they didn't have a focused goal. So, the Trump followers too will pass. The more you give attention to it, the longer it will last. (Note, I am not saying that rascist and white supremacy beliefs will pass.) The more people "insult" this group, the more likely they are going to dig their heels in and maintain their beliefs. I am not saying that people should not follow their beliefs. I am saying that this person calling everyone he has been interacting with in the last 20+ years a Trump sycophant is full of himself and looking for a spotlight. I support everybody having a right to their beliefs, their right to state them and them following whatever party they want to follow. I view his statements "insulting" and hypocritical. I am willing to bet that he is either going to return to the Republican party in 10 years once Trump is dead or he had to make such a strong statement to keep his law office running. The difference was the Tea Party and Occupy Wall St. never made it into the white house. They also didn't bully the party so much, so they didn't get the majority of the party to publically support them, whole heartedly, and almost all the rest of them to stay quiet or give lip service. They also weren't able to defeat half of the few remaining party members that spoke out against them.
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Post by forwardwego on Jan 31, 2021 21:52:24 GMT -5
mary2029 I see your point. Not everyone in the republican party pays homage to Trump. However those who don't kowtow have to contend with the ones who do. Mitt Romney & Adam Kinzinger, to name two, are sticking with their party but not bowing down to Trump. I admire that. I do still appreciate the sentiment of not praying to any man.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 1, 2021 10:24:06 GMT -5
Don't forget that there were a bunch of Republicans who retired in 2018. Some where just plain retiring, but some were forced out, due to their lack of support for Trump. That sent a message to anyone running - be on Trump’s side, or don't bother showing up. It is hard to really measure the effects on the GOP.
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Post by mary2029 on Feb 1, 2021 16:30:08 GMT -5
Not dozens, tens of THOUSANDS ( link and link and link): Arizona about 5,000 (Biden won by 10,000 votes) Colorado about 4,600 Florida about 3,000 Maryland about 2,300 North Carolina over 6,000 (in 2016, about 450 Republican voters changed parties) Pennsylvania almost 10,000 Although switching parties does NOT mean the person has to vote for the party he/she switched to.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2021 16:38:37 GMT -5
Not dozens, tens of THOUSANDS ( link and link and link): Arizona about 5,000 (Biden won by 10,000 votes) Colorado about 4,600 Florida about 3,000 Maryland about 2,300 North Carolina over 6,000 (in 2016, about 450 Republican voters changed parties) Pennsylvania almost 10,000 Although switching parties does NOT mean the person has to vote for the party he/she switched to. I think part of this is just fatigue. it is wearying defending the indefensible.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 1, 2021 20:41:16 GMT -5
This will come down to GOP members like Romney who would rather walk away from a GOP they no longer recognize and members like McConnell who will cater to everyone who uses the GOP title in order try to duct tape the party together, knowing that a split GOP won’t win many elections for a while.
Honestly I can see both sides. I wouldn’t want to be party members with MTG but I wouldn’t want to fracture the Grand old party either.
They should have tried to shake Trump off the party in 2016. Would have been the best possible thing, even if they lost 2016 to Hillary. Now they’re stuck with the terrible infant and his wannabe clones.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2021 21:38:55 GMT -5
i was mildly hopeful that Kasich would contest right up to the election and that they would throw him out at the convention.
silly me.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 1, 2021 22:34:27 GMT -5
i was mildly hopeful that Kasich would contest right up to the election and that they would throw him out at the convention. silly me. I wonder if they wish they had . Somebody might have made hilary a one termer.....
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2021 23:53:38 GMT -5
the Clinton death machine would have added 50-100k to their ranks, by all accounts.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 3, 2021 9:23:36 GMT -5
Well, duh. Didn't really need confirmation to know that was going to be part of the spectacle. Definitely on-brand for Trump.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 3, 2021 11:05:22 GMT -5
Convenient that they can claim non-payment instead of a crazy, non-compliant or criminal client.
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