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Post by thyme4change on Feb 3, 2021 12:15:03 GMT -5
'Call me back or set up a meeting at a better time. Thanks and good luck.' These are extra ordinary times. I wouldn't let a babysitter into my house right now. I agree that old child care rules don't apply. I work for an animal health company. We have a don't ask, don't tell policy about hating dogs. There is no meeting where a animal is unwelcome. That was pretty true when we worked at the office. There were always dogs around. The only one I ever disinvited was one who had tummy problems and it smelled bad!
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Post by movingforward on Feb 3, 2021 12:15:48 GMT -5
'Call me back or set up a meeting at a better time. Thanks and good luck.' These are extra ordinary times. I wouldn't let a babysitter into my house right now. It wasn't something that could wait...I needed an answer asap. Yes, it is extraordinary times. I just needed a place to vent. I feel terrible for those that are dealing with trying to WFH while homeschooling, taking care of their kids, etc. You know, just using YM as a sounding board
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 3, 2021 12:19:30 GMT -5
I hate those 'I need information right now' calls! I always feel so mean when I have to make them. Sounds like nobody enjoyed that call. Everyone should have a cookie and a nap now.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 3, 2021 12:20:04 GMT -5
We're technically supposed to line up childcare when working from home, but really? Who the hell is doing that? That kind of defeats the point of why we're home to begin with. But yeah, if I had a screaming kid, I would not put someone on hold to listen to it. This is why I just ignore most of my meetings. Not that I have screaming kids or barking dogs, but you never know! If I do join, it's mic off.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 3, 2021 12:21:43 GMT -5
I lean on Teams chat and Jabber for the urgent stuff and that works pretty well. I'm a texting kind of gal, not a call on the phone type and definitely not a call on the phone with video. Oh hell no.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 3, 2021 12:28:58 GMT -5
I love TEAMS! And I warn people if a dog is going to bark. DH loves the dogs to get excited and bark when he comes home. It's almost the only time they bark. I hate it, deep in a meeting and 'careful guys, my dogs are going to start barking'. 🙄😶
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 3, 2021 12:29:03 GMT -5
'Call me back or set up a meeting at a better time. Thanks and good luck.' These are extra ordinary times. I wouldn't let a babysitter into my house right now. I agree that old child care rules don't apply. I work for an animal health company. We have a don't ask, don't tell policy about hating dogs. There is no meeting where a animal is unwelcome. That was pretty true when we worked at the office. There were always dogs around. The only one I ever disinvited was one who had tummy problems and it smelled bad! At the facility I ran I adopted the policy that "We are a dog friendly facility for facility friendly dogs."
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 3, 2021 12:32:30 GMT -5
I agree that old child care rules don't apply. I work for an animal health company. We have a don't ask, don't tell policy about hating dogs. There is no meeting where a animal is unwelcome. That was pretty true when we worked at the office. There were always dogs around. The only one I ever disinvited was one who had tummy problems and it smelled bad! At the facility I ran I adopted the policy that "We are a dog friendly facility for facility friendly dogs." I'll come work for you! Mine is a good, well-behaved boy. Very clean and quiet. But big.
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Post by movingforward on Feb 3, 2021 12:40:50 GMT -5
I hate those 'I need information right now' calls! I always feel so mean when I have to make them. Sounds like nobody enjoyed that call. Everyone should have a cookie and a nap now. Eh, I don't feel mean...just conducting business.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 3, 2021 17:11:07 GMT -5
I just fielded a barrage of text messages from my kid. He is so happy! He loved going to class. He said only 2 other people showed up, but still he actually got to TALK to people. Plus he loves his professor who stayed after class and started up some casual conversations with the students. He also said he hung out with the other two students for awhile afterwards and they were thinking of getting together later to work on their homework assignment. He said "If this is what real college is like, it's sooooo much better!" He's going to explore campus some more later to try and find other places to take his classes. He said just getting out of the dorm and doing all his online classes somewhere else really helped him mentally.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 3, 2021 17:40:29 GMT -5
Im so glad to hear you're son is doing better and enjoying school now that he's in person!
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 3, 2021 17:50:02 GMT -5
I told him he's pretty lucky right now because normally a freshman Physics class there would have hundreds of students so he can get lots of one on one help if only a handful show up. But he said he can only go once about every other week! They're divided up by lab section so only 40 are scheduled for lecture a time. Now I'm not quite as thrilled for him.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 16, 2021 16:43:56 GMT -5
My son's school just announced they're going to be tuition free for families making under 50K/year. The grandparents texted me all excited, but I don't think it will really affect us as he already gets more grants and scholarships than the cost of tuition. It's the FEES (which this new policy won't cover) and room and board that are the big chunks. Now, if they just eliminate the tuition line item we'd be styling, but I don't think that's how it's going to work. They said most making under that amount are already close to tuition free, so I think it's just to close the gap.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 16, 2021 17:35:20 GMT -5
I agree that old child care rules don't apply. I work for an animal health company. We have a don't ask, don't tell policy about hating dogs. There is no meeting where a animal is unwelcome. That was pretty true when we worked at the office. There were always dogs around. The only one I ever disinvited was one who had tummy problems and it smelled bad! At the facility I ran I adopted the policy that "We are a dog friendly facility for facility friendly dogs." I was at Farm and Fleet this weekend and a lady had a huge collie-like dog walking calm as can be, behind her cart. I wondered if he was a service dog, but decided it was irrelevant - he was so well behaved he deserved to be welcome in the store. My Dogs, if I ever take them in PETCO, where dogs are welcome...my one dog gets so excited he barks like mad, as if he needs to let all the other dogs know he is there. Even at Petco I am like .
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 16, 2021 17:57:53 GMT -5
My son's school just announced they're going to be tuition free for families making under 50K/year. The grandparents texted me all excited, but I don't think it will really affect us as he already gets more grants and scholarships than the cost of tuition. It's the FEES (which this new policy won't cover) and room and board that are the big chunks. Now, if they just eliminate the tuition line item we'd be styling, but I don't think that's how it's going to work. They said most making under that amount are already close to tuition free, so I think it's just to close the gap. Most of the private schools here have gone this route. The 3 state schools are going to have to increase tuition because of state funding.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 16, 2021 21:07:25 GMT -5
I had public radio on talking about how in 2026 or so, "they" (of course I don't remember who it is) are predicting a 15% decline in traditional college enrollment. What's scary about it is there's talk of a drop in HS graduates, too.
I'm trying to push super hard at work for *other* types of education within our traditional university. Last week, I had a meeting with a department head that could only think in terms of degrees, when talking about educational products that could be consumed. I had to remind the department head that our choices are not either nothing or degrees, but there is a whole continuum of what education could look like. I think folks think we are too big to fail. I don't think that's going to be the case. And, frankly it worries me.
One of my coworkers is trying to get the University to see a new option. There are no processes/procedures for what she wants. Most admin wants to simply say no, rather than find a way to work with her.
Another one of my projects is figuring out how to keep some departments ABET certified. That's going to require a new type of cross departmental partnership we've never had before.
Anyway, doing what I can before it gets ugly. Our instate tuition cannot be raised, and it hasn't been raised in at least 10 years, maybe more now. I think partnerships with businesses will help fill the gaps where federal research dollars fall short. But, who knows if businesses will really step it up. And, I think that's a slippery slope I'm sure we don't want to get into...developing courses based on what a business wants taught, rather than what should be taught.
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Post by finnime on Feb 16, 2021 21:29:22 GMT -5
Interesting article.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 16, 2021 22:43:39 GMT -5
From the link: A G.I. Bill for the COVID era would be for all Americans ... I spent 6 years of my life serving my country and after that I received G.I. benefits. Those Americans who did not volunteer to serve didn't receive G.I. benefits.
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Post by saveinla on Feb 16, 2021 22:49:35 GMT -5
I think I would have liked a lot of the on-line learning in HS- learn at my own pace, get the required assignments done, then pursue more advanced learning in areas that interested me. Having discussion groups with students in other countries would have been fascinating. In college, though, I'm not so sure. Being cooped up in a dorm room, mostly on-line, being tested constantly for COVID, etc. would be isolating. And while I never attended a frat party or participated in other student organizations and never attended football or basketball games, I do have very fond memories of the Conservatory, where students could attend any performance free if space was available. I was exposed to so many different types of music and it enriched my education. As a Math major, I had little formal exposure to music. Those performances probably aren't happening right now. But if you were going to college online, there’s really no need for you to be living in a dorm, away from all of your family and your high school friends. For the life of me, I will never understand why anybody would ship their kid off to live in the dorms at some generic party-u during these times. Only a fool would think that Covid wouldn’t spread like wild fire in a dorm setting, forcing the colleges to go online. If you’re going to be taking classes online, it’s a better to be taking it from an institution whose professors actually have experience teaching online. College professors do not handle change well. And many of them are unbelievably lazy when it comes to teaching. I don't know why you are harping so much on college professors being lazy - not sure where you went to college, but you are just a sample of one. All the professors that I have known were really good and spent a lot of time spending time to help their students.
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Post by nidena on Feb 17, 2021 8:27:28 GMT -5
From the link: A G.I. Bill for the COVID era would be for all Americans ... I spent 6 years of my life serving my country and after that I received G.I. benefits. Those Americans who did not volunteer to serve didn't receive G.I. benefits. That's a given that they didn't receive them if they didn't serve. Not sure of your point. I served, too, and so long as someone else receiving doesn't reduce my part of the benefits, I'm not against it.
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Post by oped on Feb 17, 2021 8:49:55 GMT -5
Son is doing terrific in online. He misses the food in Philly and wishes there were some, few, more opportunities for collaboration in person but not much. He switches tracks to finish up faster.
Daughter ended last term with 12 credits, 6 of which she took pass fail... and her program is hybrid. She is not at all suited to online learning.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 17, 2021 8:53:02 GMT -5
I don't agree that many professors are "unbelievably lazy" when it comes to teaching.
Yes change is hard and they have had to learn a new way of engaging with students.
My nephew and his wife have virtual office hours. The wife is very exciting about one of the courses she is teaching this semester and how well her students are doing.
Just like with in person office hours, many students use the time to complain about grades but they are not doing the work.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 17, 2021 9:34:58 GMT -5
Professors as a group aren't any more lazy than any other people, that's kind of silly to believe that would be true. There are good and bad ones just like in any other profession. Although, lazy isn't necessarily bad. One of my bosses once told me he likes hiring lazy engineers because they're more efficient and solve problems quickly, so they can get back to doing nothing.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2021 10:53:35 GMT -5
From the link: A G.I. Bill for the COVID era would be for all Americans ... I spent 6 years of my life serving my country and after that I received G.I. benefits. Those Americans who did not volunteer to serve didn't receive G.I. benefits. That's a given that they didn't receive them if they didn't serve. Not sure of your point. I served, too, and so long as someone else receiving doesn't reduce my part of the benefits, I'm not against it. Again from the link: Journalist Edwin Kiester Jr. once said, “The G.I. Bill may be the best deal ever made by Uncle Sam.” I worked last night to find this quote in context without success. But here is my go at it. "... deal ... made ...". It was not a "... gift ... given ...". What was the "deal"? In exchange for service, you get this benefit. I support programs that make it possible for all people to advance by furthering their education. Gifting all Americans the same benefits that a select group of Americans earn by their service is where I have a problem.
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Post by nidena on Feb 17, 2021 11:59:40 GMT -5
That's a given that they didn't receive them if they didn't serve. Not sure of your point. I served, too, and so long as someone else receiving doesn't reduce my part of the benefits, I'm not against it. Again from the link: Journalist Edwin Kiester Jr. once said, “The G.I. Bill may be the best deal ever made by Uncle Sam.” I worked last night to find this quote in context without success. But here is my go at it. "... deal ... made ...". It was not a "... gift ... given ...". What was the "deal"? In exchange for service, you get this benefit. I support programs that make it possible for all people to advance by furthering their education. Gifting all Americans the same benefits that a select group of Americans earn by their service is where I have a problem. Fair enough. As it is, I'd love to see the VA make it up to all the people who were eligible but weren't able to use their benefits because they weren't white or white presenting back in the day...back when they dealt with all kinds of atrocities overseas and then came back and dealt with worse in their own country. It would be awesome to see education and home loan benefits extended to one of each next of kin of those men and women.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2021 12:10:12 GMT -5
Again from the link: Journalist Edwin Kiester Jr. once said, “The G.I. Bill may be the best deal ever made by Uncle Sam.” I worked last night to find this quote in context without success. But here is my go at it. "... deal ... made ...". It was not a "... gift ... given ...". What was the "deal"? In exchange for service, you get this benefit. I support programs that make it possible for all people to advance by furthering their education. Gifting all Americans the same benefits that a select group of Americans earn by their service is where I have a problem. Fair enough. As it is, I'd love to see the VA make it up to all the people who were eligible but weren't able to use their benefits because they weren't white or white presenting back in the day...back when they dealt with all kinds of atrocities overseas and then came back and dealt with worse in their own country. It would be awesome to see education and home loan benefits extended to one of each next of kin of those men and women. Interesting read on the topic: "First a Negro ... incidentally a veteran": black World War Two veterans and the G.I. Bill of Rights in the deep south, 1944-1948.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 17, 2021 14:55:04 GMT -5
I'm really glad to see that! It's especially silly after you've been out of school for 5 or 10 years. Depending on your field, a good deal of what you learned in college can be obsolete. Yeah. I have a Biology degree and work in Quality Engineering at an electronics company. Pretty sure my degree isn't contributing much. Hey I have degrees in analytical chemistry, accounting, finance, a whole series of computer science certificates and some other odds and ends. None of them to do with contract management in the satellite industry, yet here I am
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 17, 2021 15:00:26 GMT -5
My best friend's degree in textile something or other (fancy name for home ec) got her a job in technical writing for the Army.
Another friend's art degree did get her a job as a technical illustrator. As she says not exactly artistic any more because it's done on a computer.
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