Vaccinated

[pulmonarymd]

They are, but whether it is better remains to be seen

[chiver78]

May 4, 2022 15:30:28 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I am seeing more people in Florida wearing masks again.

remind me the general area of FL you're in? for comparison, I was in Destin last weekend and saw a handful of masked people in Publix. nobody else was masked.

[chiver78]

I went to a weekend charity event last weekend, a music festival in a single venue that was closed to anyone not a ticketholder from Thurs-Sat. many of us flew in early and hung out on Wed as well. the vast majority of us are vaxxed (it was a requirement for the fall cruises we sailed) but I'm aware of at least a few that did not sail due to that requirement.

some variation of COVID swept through our group, with the earliest positives being reported to the group Sunday night. the most recent I'm aware of was yesterday - one of my condo mates. I have a number of close contacts in this group of positives, and have somehow been testing clear all week. I'm baffled, as I manage to catch everything anywhere near me, but I will take it!

what's been interesting to me is to hear how this variant is hitting the vaxxed vs unvaxxed. I'm trying to have sympathy for anyone that's sick, but I definitely had to bite my tongue a bit while listening to a couple I know aren't vaxxed. they all seem to be improving daily, and everyone that came up positive has been isolating.

I was supposed to go to another house party tomorrow (must be vaxxed to go...), with a singer who was with us in FL and came up positive. so obviously he's no longer going. I'm the only other person that was also in FL, so I'm going to stay home as so not to potentially be Typhoid Mary from this apparent spreader event.

[countrygirl2]

Maybe we shouldn't but we are getting the vaccines quick as they tell us too. So, 4 for each of us. Don't want DD to get it and since all 3 of us have some heart issues don't want any of us too.

[teen persuasion]

May 13, 2022 13:32:58 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

What has been unveiled, and not in a good way, is how selfish, uncaring, and basically assholish a large percentage of our population is. They are also those who have a higher risk. The medically frail among us will have to live with this new reality, but it is a matter of degree for them because they have always had this risk. The hard part is how far we go to protect them. From my vantage point, it appears we do not want too much inconvenience, so they will need to take appropriate precautions

I can't agree more!

[Deleted]

I'm sort of planning on September/October for our boosters. We'll do the same for flu shots if they are available which is always a crapshoot, but I want to space out flu and Covid shots. I say "we" but I don't know what DH will do, it's his call. He already put in his 2022 caregiving time when I had vertigo back in January so I'm on my own with any vaccine reaction. I didn't have it too bad with the last 3 Covid shots but who knows I'll make sure the house is clean, there's food cooked and refrigerated, and lots of cat food and meds on hand.

I'm already masking more often, hand sanitizing, hand washing etc. but DH is not going there.

[stillmovingforward]

May 13, 2022 15:28:26 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

May 13, 2022 13:32:58 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

What has been unveiled, and not in a good way, is how selfish, uncaring, and basically assholish a large percentage of our population is. They are also those who have a higher risk. The medically frail among us will have to live with this new reality, but it is a matter of degree for them because they have always had this risk. The hard part is how far we go to protect them. From my vantage point, it appears we do not want too much inconvenience, so they will need to take appropriate precautions

I can't agree more!

Yup. And one of these days my precautions won't be enough.
I have to go into the workspace a few times a week and, while everyone was required to be vaccinated, boosters are not being required. Otherwise, I don't go into congregate areas.
When outdoor dining is no longer allowed, I'm really going to miss being able to eat out. I already miss just being able to go to music venues, classes, and farmers markets.

[TheOtherMe]

May 13, 2022 14:04:31 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I went to a weekend charity event last weekend, a music festival in a single venue that was closed to anyone not a ticketholder from Thurs-Sat. many of us flew in early and hung out on Wed as well. the vast majority of us are vaxxed (it was a requirement for the fall cruises we sailed) but I'm aware of at least a few that did not sail due to that requirement.

some variation of COVID swept through our group, with the earliest positives being reported to the group Sunday night. the most recent I'm aware of was yesterday - one of my condo mates. I have a number of close contacts in this group of positives, and have somehow been testing clear all week. I'm baffled, as I manage to catch everything anywhere near me, but I will take it!

what's been interesting to me is to hear how this variant is hitting the vaxxed vs unvaxxed. I'm trying to have sympathy for anyone that's sick, but I definitely had to bite my tongue a bit while listening to a couple I know aren't vaxxed. they all seem to be improving daily, and everyone that came up positive has been isolating.

I was supposed to go to another house party tomorrow (must be vaxxed to go...), with a singer who was with us in FL and came up positive. so obviously he's no longer going. I'm the only other person that was also in FL, so I'm going to stay home as so not to potentially be Typhoid Mary from this apparent spreader event.

The singer for my Monday Night Piano Bar performed and partied at a festival in Miami last weekend.  She has Covid.  She hasn't said how many others have tested positive.  Most of it was outdoors, but I'm guessing the performers were meeting inside, too.

[Value Buy]

My wife and I were not sure we would get the second booster when it was announced, because it seemd like the news was changing every day on the vaccine capacity. 
We talked about it again last week and were still not sure.
Sunday we decided we should get it before heading back north in 10 days.
Got it today, and we got our free covid test kits too. We did not ask, the pharmacy asked if we wanted them.
Strange thing is tonight my left arm felt sore where I received the three previous shots. This one I took in the right arm. I know it cannot be related but darn, why did the other arm feel like it took the shot? I did not bump it, or do much of anything physical today.......
Our second shot and the first booster seem to makeboth  us lethargic for a few days, so now we wait and see how this one does for us.

At least if another booster is suggested we will not take it until about November.

[raeoflyte]

www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/17/fda-pfizer-booster-children/

Hope this gets approved quickly. And that they approve the under 5 vaccine soon.

[raeoflyte]

We're paying the price of not having a gp for the kids.

Ds endocrinologist will only advise on sick day protocol for diabetes. The nurses line at children's hospital last night said not to come in last night but call urgent care today to see about bringing him in for prophylactic meds. Urgent care of course can't say anything but their hours. I'll call the nurses line back, but we're going to have to get some pediatrician even if it's just temporary.

[busymom]

I've spent too much time in the ICU this week, but had serious chats about Covid with two of the nurses who've been working with my relative.  (He's stable now, just so you know, but on a ventilator.  And no, it's not Covid.)  The nurses tell me they're beginning to see an uptick in Covid patients again, and don't know how they're going to handle it if they get as many patients as in the past.  One nurse gave me a play-by-play of what it's like to deal with patients who are healthy, in the age 30 to age 50 range, and watch them slowly die over a 3 to 5 week time period.  And, most who die never got the shot.  They weren't overweight, didn't have any health issues, they only decided they didn't "need" the shot.  By the time they figure out they should've taken it, it's too late.  I can't help but wonder what Summer & Fall are going to bring.  

[CCL]

Busymom that's the kind of thing that makes me concerned about my own kids. It was an huge relief to find out their employers were requiring everyone to be vaccinated.

[teen persuasion]

May 19, 2022 13:55:19 GMT -5 busymom said:

I've spent too much time in the ICU this week, but had serious chats about Covid with two of the nurses who've been working with my relative.  (He's stable now, just so you know, but on a ventilator.  And no, it's not Covid.)  The nurses tell me they're beginning to see an uptick in Covid patients again, and don't know how they're going to handle it if they get as many patients as in the past.  One nurse gave me a play-by-play of what it's like to deal with patients who are healthy, in the age 30 to age 50 range, and watch them slowly die over a 3 to 5 week time period.  And, most who die never got the shot.  They weren't overweight, didn't have any health issues, they only decided they didn't "need" the shot.  By the time they figure out they should've taken it, it's too late.  I can't help but wonder what Summer & Fall are going to bring.  

I saw this article about excess deaths: Omicron caused more excess deaths in Mass in shorter period than delta did

The study found 2,294 excess deaths in Massachusetts during the omicron surge from late December 2021 to late February of this year — 16% more than the 1,975 deaths reported during the delta variant surge that lasted from June to December of last year. The study attributes the increase in excess deaths to omicron’s high contagiousness.

“The data that we published really slams home an important point for me,” said Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital, and the lead author of the study, “which is that — even in a state that is highly vaccinated and in which there have been a lot of infections, so people have a lot of immunity — still, a variant that's quote unquote 'milder' can cause this massive amount of increase in mortality.”

Faust said his team’s findings underscored the impact of the omicron variant’s contagiousness.

“This is the idea that, OK, maybe it's a slightly lower fatality rate for every infection,” Faust said, “but you multiply that by a far, far higher number of infections and you get a big number. So if it's half as deadly but ten times as contagious, you have a massive increase in mortality.”

[CCL]

That's also roughly half the amount of time, too, December to February vs June to December.

[finnime]

That's a very important point about omicron. And, it seems that prior Covid infection does not make you immune to the variants. Herd immunity is elusive.

[teen persuasion]

That was also the first omicron variant, BA1. BA2 followed, I think there's a BA 2.1, and BA 2.12.1 is becoming dominant here.

If each one is a bit (or a lot) more transmissible than the last one, then cumulatively the newest Covid variant in circulation is MUCH more transmissible than the first, wild type. Then layer on that we are no longer attempting much of any mitigation measures: distancing, masks, etc. We are relying on vaccination to protect us, but vax levels are waning, and less successful at preventing infection of the newest variant. At least vaccination is good at reducing *most* infection to a minor case. That's the big improvement since the initial period.

[raeoflyte]

www.wsj.com/articles/new-research-shows-higher-risk-of-developing-diabetes-after-covid-19-infection-11647906138

We've known that most type 1 dx come after a viral infection so this isn't surprising.

I'm glad I saw that those with type 1 are 126% more likely to go into dka after ds recovered from covid. I'll be watching for the next data on how vaccines impact both #'s.

Ds case was quite mild thankfully. He said he feels fine- just a little congested and we're on day 7. He never spiked a true fever. Took advil every 6 hours for a sore throat for the first few days. We did spend 72 hours on a pretty exhausting sick day protocol, pushing extra insulin and fluids to keep ketones at bay. Which makes sense with the increase in dka statistic.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

May 23, 2022 23:08:59 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

www.wsj.com/articles/new-research-shows-higher-risk-of-developing-diabetes-after-covid-19-infection-11647906138

We've known that most type 1 dx come after a viral infection so this isn't surprising.

I'm glad I saw that those with type 1 are 126% more likely to go into dka after ds recovered from covid. I'll be watching for the next data on how vaccines impact both #'s.

Ds case was quite mild thankfully. He said he feels fine- just a little congested and we're on day 7. He never spiked a true fever. Took advil every 6 hours for a sore throat for the first few days. We did spend 72 hours on a pretty exhausting sick day protocol, pushing extra insulin and fluids to keep ketones at bay. Which makes sense with the increase in dka statistic.

Ugh!  Can’t read it!

It is not uncommon for viral diseases to impact life long after you have recovered from the disease.  Chicken pox/shingles is the classic one, but polio and now the flu are associated with conditions as well.

www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/study-links-flu-to-increased-parkinson-s-risk-a-decade-later-69449



 

[raeoflyte]

May 24, 2022 11:37:29 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

May 23, 2022 23:08:59 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

www.wsj.com/articles/new-research-shows-higher-risk-of-developing-diabetes-after-covid-19-infection-11647906138

We've known that most type 1 dx come after a viral infection so this isn't surprising.

I'm glad I saw that those with type 1 are 126% more likely to go into dka after ds recovered from covid. I'll be watching for the next data on how vaccines impact both #'s.

Ds case was quite mild thankfully. He said he feels fine- just a little congested and we're on day 7. He never spiked a true fever. Took advil every 6 hours for a sore throat for the first few days. We did spend 72 hours on a pretty exhausting sick day protocol, pushing extra insulin and fluids to keep ketones at bay. Which makes sense with the increase in dka statistic.

Ugh!  Can’t read it!

It is not uncommon for viral diseases to impact life long after you have recovered from the disease.  Chicken pox/shingles is the classic one, but polio and now the flu are associated with conditions as well.

www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/study-links-flu-to-increased-parkinson-s-risk-a-decade-later-69449



 

This was the article I meant to link without a pay wall.

news.northeastern.edu/2022/04/28/covid-19-type-1-diabetes/#:~:text=Researchers%20found%20that%20patients%20who,19%20during%20the%20study%20period.

[jerseygirl]

We have had 2 original vaccinations and 2 boosters
Awaiting new boosters for this fall that target new Covid variants. An updated vaccine recently approved in the U.K. but in June the US approved making vaccine with 2 newer variants. Hoping this more focused vaccine will also decrease cases and infection spread even in vaccinated for the fall and winter

www.npr.org/2022/08/16/1117616159/uk-us-approved-omicron-booster-variant-ba5

Meanwhile monkey pox remains prevalent primarily in the MHSM population. Vaccines are in short supply here in the US since FDA is being slow alpproving production facilities in Europe. There’s also a drug for treatment but also in short supply and difficult to get ( lots of paperwork needed to obtain). US could be on the brink of this spreading to the general population. Not seeing a lot of ‘noise’ about this after all the ‘noise’ about failure of the US for Covid response
Just the thought of another pandemic is terrible


www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna38017

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/monkeypox-vaccine-testing-delays-covid-response/#app

[TheOtherMe]

The 2 year old Toddler has had both of his vaccines as of last Monday.  I love that his parents jumped on the vaccines as soon as they were approved.  He has brought home so much sickness from day care that he has probably had Covid, but better safe than sorry.

[billisonboard]

Heading back to work this week with students showing up next week so I got my second booster last week. Tough decision whether to wait for the new targeted ones but since booster one was last November, thought it better to not wait until ?? for the other to be available to me out here in the sticks.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 22, 2022 11:13:02 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

We have had 2 original vaccinations and 2 boosters
Awaiting new boosters for this fall that target new Covid variants. An updated vaccine recently approved in the U.K. but in June the US approved making vaccine with 2 newer variants. Hoping this more focused vaccine will also decrease cases and infection spread even in vaccinated for the fall and winter

www.npr.org/2022/08/16/1117616159/uk-us-approved-omicron-booster-variant-ba5

Meanwhile monkey pox remains prevalent primarily in the MHSM population. Vaccines are in short supply here in the US since FDA is being slow alpproving production facilities in Europe. There’s also a drug for treatment but also in short supply and difficult to get ( lots of paperwork needed to obtain). US could be on the brink of this spreading to the general population. Not seeing a lot of ‘noise’ about this after all the ‘noise’ about failure of the US for Covid response
Just the thought of another pandemic is terrible


www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna38017

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/monkeypox-vaccine-testing-delays-covid-response/#app

Yeah, conservatives are going to be on board with new restrictions.

What do you think we should be doing. Transmission is different, risk factors are different, severity of illness is different. It is much more in the categroy of HIV at this point. SHould we lock down the population again?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

I think the monkey pox vaccine is the same as the smallpox one.  I wonder how much immunity is in the older population against this from having been vaccinated against smallpox?  I think they stopped vaccinating for this in the early 1970s?

Apparently it does, but results of vaccination wane over time.  This would be an interesting study to do, looking at anamnestic immune responses.

Monkey pox is not a novel virus, like Covid and HIV.  I saw a news report the other day that dentists are recognizing pox lesions in the mouth early in the disease process, not unlike how dentists were reporting an atypical gingivitis in subjects infected with HIV before they serocoverted.  

[jerseygirl]

Aug 22, 2022 11:31:36 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 22, 2022 11:13:02 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

We have had 2 original vaccinations and 2 boosters
Awaiting new boosters for this fall that target new Covid variants. An updated vaccine recently approved in the U.K. but in June the US approved making vaccine with 2 newer variants. Hoping this more focused vaccine will also decrease cases and infection spread even in vaccinated for the fall and winter

www.npr.org/2022/08/16/1117616159/uk-us-approved-omicron-booster-variant-ba5

Meanwhile monkey pox remains prevalent primarily in the MHSM population. Vaccines are in short supply here in the US since FDA is being slow alpproving production facilities in Europe. There’s also a drug for treatment but also in short supply and difficult to get ( lots of paperwork needed to obtain). US could be on the brink of this spreading to the general population. Not seeing a lot of ‘noise’ about this after all the ‘noise’ about failure of the US for Covid response
Just the thought of another pandemic is terrible


www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna38017

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/monkeypox-vaccine-testing-delays-covid-response/#app

Yeah, conservatives are going to be on board with new restrictions.

What do you think we should be doing. Transmission is different, risk factors are different, severity of illness is different. It is much more in the categroy of HIV at this point. SHould we lock down the population again?

Of course not lock down - ridiculous .
Just get the vaccines snd medication out to the population now affected so it doesn’t spread to more general population . Learn from the past !!

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 22, 2022 12:59:00 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Aug 22, 2022 11:31:36 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Yeah, conservatives are going to be on board with new restrictions.

What do you think we should be doing. Transmission is different, risk factors are different, severity of illness is different. It is much more in the categroy of HIV at this point. SHould we lock down the population again?

Of course not lock down - ridiculous .
Just get the vaccines snd medication out to the population now affected so it doesn’t spread to more general population . Learn from the past !!

Not everyone needs the vaccine, it is not an airborne virus. 
High risk people need to be vaccinated.
Others can prevent contracting it by their behavior, unlike with a respiratory virus
Smallpox vaccination likely confers protection on the older group, as Walk said. That needs to be investigated further.

2 different viruses, 2 different mechanisms of spread, 2 different risk profiles. Hospitals are not full of sick and dying monkeypox patients. 400 people a day are dying of Covid, but by our behavior no one cares anymore. Getting the unvaccinated people vaccinated for COVID will save more lives than vaccinating the entire population for monkeypox. Just had 3 people in ICU(all unvaccinated) with covid. The situations are in no way similar. Monkeypox is more like Ebola than it is like Covid. Remember when republicans had a meltdown about that, yet how many Americans died from Ebola?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 22, 2022 13:16:52 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 22, 2022 12:59:00 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Of course not lock down - ridiculous .
Just get the vaccines snd medication out to the population now affected so it doesn’t spread to more general population . Learn from the past !!

Not everyone needs the vaccine, it is not an airborne virus. 
High risk people need to be vaccinated.
Others can prevent contracting it by their behavior, unlike with a respiratory virus
Smallpox vaccination likely confers protection on the older group, as Walk said. That needs to be investigated further.

2 different viruses, 2 different mechanisms of spread, 2 different risk profiles. Hospitals are not full of sick and dying monkeypox patients. 400 people a day are dying of Covid, but by our behavior no one cares anymore. Getting the unvaccinated people vaccinated for COVID will save more lives than vaccinating the entire population for monkeypox. Just had 3 people in ICU(all unvaccinated) with covid. The situations are in no way similar. Monkeypox is more like Ebola than it is like Covid. Remember when republicans had a meltdown about that, yet how many Americans died from Ebola?

It seems like monkey pox presents more like a much milder form of chicken pox in young adults.  

The use of the vaccine needs to be triaged (which is what they are doing).  If the infection resolves itself, then why use drugs with possible side effects? 

Not everyone is of equal risk of getting the disease….unlike Covid.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 22, 2022 13:27:58 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Aug 22, 2022 13:16:52 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Not everyone needs the vaccine, it is not an airborne virus. 
High risk people need to be vaccinated.
Others can prevent contracting it by their behavior, unlike with a respiratory virus
Smallpox vaccination likely confers protection on the older group, as Walk said. That needs to be investigated further.

2 different viruses, 2 different mechanisms of spread, 2 different risk profiles. Hospitals are not full of sick and dying monkeypox patients. 400 people a day are dying of Covid, but by our behavior no one cares anymore. Getting the unvaccinated people vaccinated for COVID will save more lives than vaccinating the entire population for monkeypox. Just had 3 people in ICU(all unvaccinated) with covid. The situations are in no way similar. Monkeypox is more like Ebola than it is like Covid. Remember when republicans had a meltdown about that, yet how many Americans died from Ebola?

It seems like monkey pox presents more like a much milder form of chicken pox in young adults.  

The use of the vaccine needs to be triaged (which is what they are doing).  If the infection resolves itself, then why use drugs with possible side effects? 

Not everyone is of equal risk of getting the disease….unlike Covid.

Agree 100%

[TheOtherMe]

We still have a disease that about 500 people a day are drying from.  Some of those people did not get vaccinated because they were fed a line of BS by right wing media.  

The CDC has pretty much washed it's hands of the situation and no longer gives a damn.  

Last week I took my cat to the vet.  I wear a mask when I go indoors (besides my own home).  I asked if the vet could wear a mask in the exam room.  The receptionist looked at me like I was talking in tongues and asked me to repeat the question.  I did and she said so you want the vet to wear a mask.  Yes I do or we will have you take the cat in and return him to the me in the car.  The vet worse a mask and didn't say a word about it.