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Post by justme on Jan 19, 2021 23:22:46 GMT -5
Dave went off the reservation a while ago if you were paying even the littlest attention.
Frankly I only did through headlines or if families mentioned. I pretty much stopped listening to him once I realized that 1) all his recommendations actually just paid for the privilege evidenced by 2) my brother putting his money with a brokerage account/funds where they expense ration was 12%. I tried to explain how downright awful that is (hell it almost makes me want to use that phrase that I now refuse to use in anything but the literal context anymore) but he didn't want to listen because DR recommended it.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 19, 2021 23:35:25 GMT -5
Yeah being a non-fan goes way back, so I don't pay much attention. This is a downright abusive employer/employee relationship, and I'm surprised its legal.
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Post by justme on Jan 20, 2021 1:10:15 GMT -5
I mean, I didn't read all of it. Some I would wonder, but with so many states being "at will" the only thing they can't fire you for is something that's covered. And courts have stupidly upheld "religious" companies for employing based on their religion.
I'd hope something comes of this, but uh based on the source of this article I wonder if it'd get traction.
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Post by nidena on Jan 20, 2021 8:25:52 GMT -5
Is it premarital sex if you never plan on getting married? Asking for a friend.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 20, 2021 8:30:40 GMT -5
Is it premarital sex if you never plan on getting married? Asking for a friend. Good point! I'd say not. Anyway, there's gotta be a HIPPA (sp?) violation in there, if nothing else.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 20, 2021 9:54:22 GMT -5
Spousal interview? I would run away fast.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jan 20, 2021 10:22:47 GMT -5
Is it premarital sex if you never plan on getting married? Asking for a friend. You are not supposed to have sex if you are not married silly
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Post by nidena on Jan 20, 2021 10:34:29 GMT -5
Is it premarital sex if you never plan on getting married? Asking for a friend. You are not supposed to have sex if you are not married silly Doesn't that apply only to Christians? If so, I'm good. I'm a heathen.
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Post by nidena on Jan 20, 2021 10:35:03 GMT -5
Spousal interview? I would run away fast. Sounds like they encourage a Stepford mindset.
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Post by steph08 on Jan 20, 2021 10:44:26 GMT -5
I fell down the rabbit hole of this story the other day.
Being in PR, I can't believe they actually responded like to that a media request - geez! Seems super Christian-like to me...
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jan 20, 2021 10:46:10 GMT -5
You are not supposed to have sex if you are not married silly Doesn't that apply only to Christians? If so, I'm good. I'm a heathen. No silly, this is a Christian country> Doesn't matter if you aren't one, you still need to comply or suffer the consequences
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Post by nidena on Jan 20, 2021 10:51:18 GMT -5
Doesn't that apply only to Christians? If so, I'm good. I'm a heathen. No silly, this is a Christian country> Doesn't matter if you aren't one, you still need to comply or suffer the consequences Well, shit! I shall go find some pearls to clutch then.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 20, 2021 11:05:36 GMT -5
That Hogan guy is complete scum. They blamed the wife and basically said it was her fault. They assigned two employees to interact with the counselor/priest and report back to the Ramsey org? That is all kinds of creepy imho. I would not want my spouse to work there. Their invasiveness into their employee's personal lives should not be legal.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 20, 2021 11:05:50 GMT -5
Not married to crazy.
Ha. I probably would have burst into flames the moment I walked in for the spousal interview.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 20, 2021 11:13:32 GMT -5
That Hogan guy is complete scum. They blamed the wife and basically said it was her fault. They assigned two employees to interact with the counselor/priest and report back to the Ramsey org? That is all kinds of creepy imho. I would not want my spouse to work there. Their invasiveness into their employee's personal lives should not be legal. IKR? That's the thing that seems like it should be a HIPAA violation to me.
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Post by justme on Jan 20, 2021 11:14:08 GMT -5
The irony is he is the crazy.
And a hypocrite for keeping the adulterer employed because he was bringing in money.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 20, 2021 11:19:12 GMT -5
The irony is he is the crazy. And a hypocrite for keeping the adulterer employed because he was bringing in money. Seems like par for the course with his kind.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 20, 2021 11:39:36 GMT -5
It is only wrong if the Woman strays. It is the Man's right to do whatever he wants and if he fails, it is his wife's fault.
Must be why I have more and more trouble with organized religion as time goes on. Their unequivocal support for Trump is the last straw for me.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 20, 2021 11:56:54 GMT -5
Never liked Dave Ramsey, this makes it easy.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 20, 2021 12:13:47 GMT -5
Hipaa only applies to employees handling medical data. That is why they wanted the couple to sign a release giving the company access to therapy records.
I remember talking to a religious homeschool company about a summer job packaging books when I was in highschool. In the phone interview they said the get together and sing hymns every morning and to self select out if that wasn't your thing which I did. I had a very not christian friend that continued with the process and was hired and said she liked it, but it just seemed crazy to me.
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Post by dannylion on Jan 20, 2021 12:18:01 GMT -5
Why is it that so many religious people feel that "freedom of religion" means they have the right to force their beliefs on everyone they encounter?
"I don't care of you believe unicorns live in your shoes, but when you start telling me how to wear my shoes so it doesn't upset the unicorns, then we have a problem." (Author unknown but clearly awesome)
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 20, 2021 12:25:49 GMT -5
Hipaa only applies to employees handling medical data. That is why they wanted the couple to sign a release giving the company access to therapy records. I remember talking to a religious homeschool company about a summer job packaging books when I was in highschool. In the phone interview they said the get together and sing hymns every morning and to self select out if that wasn't your thing which I did. I had a very not christian friend that continued with the process and was hired and said she liked it, but it just seemed crazy to me. I'm probably wrong, but I thought the therapy was sort of medical. I don't feel like rereading, but I guess it was likely more spiritual instead, now that I think about it. Still, to have an employer insert themselves into an employees marriage like that is so incredibly disgusting.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 20, 2021 12:29:37 GMT -5
Hipaa only applies to employees handling medical data. That is why they wanted the couple to sign a release giving the company access to therapy records. I remember talking to a religious homeschool company about a summer job packaging books when I was in highschool. In the phone interview they said the get together and sing hymns every morning and to self select out if that wasn't your thing which I did. I had a very not christian friend that continued with the process and was hired and said she liked it, but it just seemed crazy to me. I'm probably wrong, but I thought the therapy was sort of medical. I don't feel like rereading, but I guess it was likely more spiritual instead, now that I think about it. Still, to have an employer insert themselves into an employees marriage like that is so incredibly disgusting. I think its under medical too, but the way I read it the company was requiring the couple sign a release so that the therapist could talk to the employer. Same as dh does for me so I can talk to the doctor directly.
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Post by daisylu on Jan 20, 2021 12:30:21 GMT -5
A nutjob, is what he sounds like.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 20, 2021 13:06:33 GMT -5
One wonders what the advice would be if the husband was beating the wife, or if he abused one of the Children?
This is not to say that the religious counselors are also not legit - I believe many of them do have the credentials to be legit counselors and get re-imbursed by insurance carriers, but the potential for problems is there, especially if they are abusive in other areas.
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Post by justme on Jan 20, 2021 13:11:23 GMT -5
Is it really a wonder though?
And I'm willing the bet that the majority of counselors in a church are not legit licensed professionals, but I guess that could just be from what I've heard.
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Post by haapai on Jan 20, 2021 13:12:23 GMT -5
Dave went off the reservation a while ago if you were paying even the littlest attention. Frankly I only did through headlines or if families mentioned. I pretty much stopped listening to him once I realized that 1) all his recommendations actually just paid for the privilege evidenced by 2) my brother putting his money with a brokerage account/funds where they expense ration was 12%. I tried to explain how downright awful that is (hell it almost makes me want to use that phrase that I now refuse to use in anything but the literal context anymore) but he didn't want to listen because DR recommended it. I wasn't paying the littlest attention, so I am surprised. I stopped paying attention to DR once I extinguished my toxic debt. There was no way that I was going to follow his advice and accelerate the repayment of 10-year student loan debt at 3.25% or a 30-year mortgage at 3.75% or take any investing advice from a guy who advocated doing so.
Still, I'm a bit surprised that he went where he has gone. I never liked his conservatism but I thought he was smarter and more ambitious than this. I thought that he was systematically building a base of conservative Christian-identified folks who were financially untouchable and that he would eventually mobilize that base politically. I didn't think that he would settle for being a petty, tyrannical cult leader.
I'm almost relieved that he has made himself so irrelevant except to those who have the misfortune to follow him.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 20, 2021 13:13:45 GMT -5
The priest who did our pre marriage counseling didn't like when I said there were deal breakers. I do believe my DH is a good guy but there are things I would absolutely divorce over. I don't think he would do those things but I wouldn't stand by. I believe the guy quit being a priest before our first anniversary.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jan 21, 2021 2:38:54 GMT -5
I've thought that Dave Ramsey was super controlling, mean-spirited and an all-around jerk based on his broadcasts and how he speaks to and about people. I do think he has some solid advice for getting out of debt, but I don't think he necessarily offers solid advice about investments, life in general, marriage, etc. And I would certainly never want to work for him.
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