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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 16, 2021 19:30:30 GMT -5
Trump expresses solidarity with rioters arrested in Jan. 6 attack ahead of planned rally.Article link: link
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 19, 2021 15:40:52 GMT -5
Well the rally yesterday was a total bust. Hardly anyone showed up.
Which is good. Really didn’t want to see another tiki torch parade followed by running people down with your cars. Or using flag poles to beat police officers.
Boring is good.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2021 15:44:09 GMT -5
Well the rally yesterday was a total bust. Hardly anyone showed up. Which is good. Really didn’t want to see another tiki torch parade followed by running people down with your cars. Or using flag poles to beat police officers. Boring is good. 200 showed up.
Trump told them NOT to show up, because it was just a sweep up operation by the shadow government.
I have decided that this is the way we beat these assholes. it is by convincing them that the opposite of what we want them to believe is true. IE:
"the anti-vax movement is a communist plot backed by George Soros to destroy the GOP."
that sort of thing.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 19, 2021 15:45:24 GMT -5
Trump expresses solidarity with rioters arrested in Jan. 6 attack ahead of planned rally.Article link: link He is right we absolutely are two tiered. If they had been black there wouldn't be any trials because they would have been shot dead before making it in. And the GOP wouldn't be working so hard to change the narrative.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 19, 2021 16:03:41 GMT -5
Trump expresses solidarity with rioters arrested in Jan. 6 attack ahead of planned rally.Article link: link He is right we absolutely are two tiered. If they had been black there wouldn't be any trials because they would have been shot dead before making it in. And the GOP wouldn't be working so hard to change the narrative. trump also benefited from our two-tiered Justice system. Trump said and many legal experts agreed (though it has never been tested) a sitting president cannot be indicted for a crime. And the statute of limitations runs out depending on the alleged crime(s).
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2021 9:18:23 GMT -5
trump the fool does not give up.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 21, 2021 15:48:41 GMT -5
trump the fool does not give up. Saw Raffensburger on TV this AM. He said he was a conservative GOP member but an American first. He said about 20,000 GA voters did not vote for either Trump or Biden, but voted for down ticket GOP candidates. Which is why some GOP candidates got more votes than Trump did. No fraud involved- they just didn’t like Trump. Trump needs to get over it.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 21, 2021 16:10:00 GMT -5
trump the fool does not give up. Saw Raffensburger on TV this AM. He said he was a conservative GOP member but an American first. He said about 20,000 GA voters did not vote for either Trump or Biden, but voted for down ticket GOP candidates. Which is why some GOP candidates got more votes than Trump did. No fraud involved- they just didn’t like Trump. Trump needs to get over it. Honestly, I wonder how much he is actually still doing. It seems like the bus is being driven by crazy-banana-pants Mike Lindell and others. Maybe I just think Trump is quiet because he is off social media. I know he is still fundraising- but I often wonder how involved he really is. Maybe someone out there just keeps pushing the machine. Granted, Trump could stop it, but he may be a little more passive than we all think.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 21, 2021 17:40:34 GMT -5
Saw Raffensburger on TV this AM. He said he was a conservative GOP member but an American first. He said about 20,000 GA voters did not vote for either Trump or Biden, but voted for down ticket GOP candidates. Which is why some GOP candidates got more votes than Trump did. No fraud involved- they just didn’t like Trump. Trump needs to get over it. Honestly, I wonder how much he is actually still doing. It seems like the bus is being driven by crazy-banana-pants Mike Lindell and others. Maybe I just think Trump is quiet because he is off social media. I know he is still fundraising- but I often wonder how involved he really is. Maybe someone out there just keeps pushing the machine. Granted, Trump could stop it, but he may be a little more passive than we all think. I think he’s very involved in getting anyone he thinks failed him, like the GAS SOS, kicked out of office. And I think he spends the rest of his time calling up anyone he knows and complaining about how the election was stolen from him. Those two things, eating chocolate cake and hamburders and playing golf, that’s about it. Oh and rallies where he gets to whine for two hours and take money from the rubes. That’s it.
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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 22, 2021 7:19:38 GMT -5
Well the rally yesterday was a total bust. Hardly anyone showed up. Which is good. Really didn’t want to see another tiki torch parade followed by running people down with your cars. Or using flag poles to beat police officers. Boring is good. 200 showed up.
Trump told them NOT to show up, because it was just a sweep up operation by the shadow government.
I have decided that this is the way we beat these assholes. it is by convincing them that the opposite of what we want them to believe is true. IE:
"the anti-vax movement is a communist plot backed by George Soros to destroy the GOP."
that sort of thing.
Kind of like this, that I posted in the Gullible thread?
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Post by swamp on Sept 22, 2021 7:21:23 GMT -5
200 showed up.
Trump told them NOT to show up, because it was just a sweep up operation by the shadow government.
I have decided that this is the way we beat these assholes. it is by convincing them that the opposite of what we want them to believe is true. IE:
"the anti-vax movement is a communist plot backed by George Soros to destroy the GOP."
that sort of thing.
Kind of like this, that I posted in the Gullible thread? Simone Biles couldn’t even pull off that level of gymnastics required in that train of thought.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 23, 2021 14:40:11 GMT -5
Trump says he will fight any request from the ‘highly partisan, communist styled select committee for documents regarding what was happening at the WH during the January 6th assault.
Also, he’s going to use his usual ploy, executive privilege.
Can he continue to use Executive privilege since he isn’t president anymore? Depends on who you ask. Relevant documents have gone out to Trump and Biden already, and they have 30 days to review. Trump can object to them, but Biden has the last word on if they get shared with the committee.
Subpoenas will start going out as early as today. Committee is speeding up.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2021 16:41:29 GMT -5
Trump says he will fight any request from the ‘highly partisan, communist styled select committee for documents regarding what was happening at the WH during the January 6th assault. Also, he’s going to use his usual ploy, executive privilege. Can he continue to use Executive privilege since he isn’t president anymore? Depends on who you ask. Relevant documents have gone out to Trump and Biden already, and they have 30 days to review. Trump can object to them, but Biden has the last word on if they get shared with the committee. Subpoenas will start going out as early as today. Committee is speeding up. no. executive privilege does not pertain to retired executives. I would like to see anyone arguing otherwise.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 24, 2021 5:09:40 GMT -5
Subpoenas for Mark Meadows and Steve Bannon.
Bannon apparently boasted on Jan 5th about how the Jan 6th riot would kill the Biden presidency in the crib.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 24, 2021 5:10:10 GMT -5
Trump says he will fight any request from the ‘highly partisan, communist styled select committee for documents regarding what was happening at the WH during the January 6th assault. Also, he’s going to use his usual ploy, executive privilege. Can he continue to use Executive privilege since he isn’t president anymore? Depends on who you ask. Relevant documents have gone out to Trump and Biden already, and they have 30 days to review. Trump can object to them, but Biden has the last word on if they get shared with the committee. Subpoenas will start going out as early as today. Committee is speeding up. no. executive privilege does not pertain to retired executives. I would like to see anyone arguing otherwise.
Doesn’t apply to sedition either.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 28, 2021 10:38:18 GMT -5
Jan. 6 trials slowed by mounting evidence in US Capitol riotIn the nearly nine months since Jan. 6, federal agents have tracked down and arrested more than 600 people across the United States believed to have joined in the riot at the U.S. Capitol. Getting those cases swiftly to trial is turning out to be an even more difficult task. Investigators have collected a mountain of evidence in the attack and are working to organize it and share it with defense attorneys. And that mountain keeps growing with new arrests still happening practically every week. Washington's federal court, meanwhile, is clogged with Jan. 6 cases, which more than double the total number of new criminal cases filed there all of last year. Further complicating things are limitations the court has put on trials because of the coronavirus pandemic. The court delays are dragging out a process already called into question by some right-wing lawmakers, who argue it’s a waste of time and money to prosecute people accused of low-level crimes. As the court cases continue to stall, so do answers to what happened that day and the possibility for consequences from the most violent assault at the Capitol in a generation. Meanwhile, Democrats in the House are subpoenaing former President Donald Trump's aides and have requested a trove of documents as a select committee also probes the insurrection. While it's not unusual for federal cases to take a year or more to work through the system, some defense lawyers and judges are raising concerns that defendants with a right to a speedy trial may end up waiting a long time before getting their day in court. Complete article here: link
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Now the GOP has a coup plan — and Steve Bannon's ready to put boots on the groundOne of the more memorable quotes from the 2020 post-election period was the one in which a Republican insider blithely told a reporter for the Washington Post that there was no harm in letting Trump cry himself out: "What is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time? No one seriously thinks the results will change," the official said. "He went golfing this weekend. It's not like he's plotting how to prevent Joe Biden from taking power on Jan. 20. He's tweeting about filing some lawsuits, those lawsuits will fail, then he'll tweet some more about how the election was stolen, and then he'll leave." We all know how that turned out, don't we? Today, the congressional Jan. 6 commission continues to subpoena witnesses and demand documents from various players in the post-election saga, and the press keeps reporting new information on exactly what went down during that bizarre period weekly. Last month, the new book from Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, "Peril," revealed the existence of a full-blown coup plot based upon a legal theory advanced by conservative constitutional lawyer John Eastman, formerly of Chapman College and a founder of the Claremont Institute, a right-wing think tank. They actually memorialized what they planned to do in writing. The idea was to have Mike Pence refuse to acknowledge the electoral votes of certain states whose legislatures might be persuaded to send an alternate slate of electors and then declare Trump the winner based upon the remaining electoral votes. It was a cockamamie scheme, but the concept of Republican state legislatures declaring that the vote was rigged and sending an alternate slate to declare Trump the winner did not come from nowhere. I wrote this in November 2020, just a couple of weeks after the election: Having lost over and over again in court, Trump and his team have switched to their Plan B, which, as longtime Democratic strategist Chris Marshall spelled out in detail in Salon on Thursday, is to delay the certification of the vote in certain states and try to get Republican legislatures to assign electors to vote for Donald Trump instead of the actual winner, Joe Biden. This is based on the theory that if they can create enough chaos around the election results, Republican loyalists will rise to the occasion and "save democracy" from the Democrats, who are allegedly stealing the election. Trump's behavior with all these phony "audits," even in places like Texas where he won, is explained as an extension of that plan. They are attempting to create so much distrust in the electoral process that in the case of a semi-close election, the default "solution" will be for the (Republican) state legislatures to take over the process and decide the winner. Lest you think the courts would automatically reject such a clearly unconstitutional move, don't count on it. As the New Yorker's Jane Mayer noted: Few people noticed at the time, but in … Bush v. Gore, Chief Justice William Rehnquist, along with Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, hinted at a radical reading of the Constitution that, two decades later, undergirds many of the court challenges on behalf of Trump. In a concurring opinion, the Justices argued that state legislatures have the plenary power to run elections and can even pass laws giving themselves the right to appoint electors. Today, the so-called Independent Legislature Doctrine has informed Trump and the right's attempts to use Republican-dominated state legislatures to overrule the popular will. Nathaniel Persily, an election-law expert at Stanford, told me, "It's giving intellectual respectability to an otherwise insane, anti-democratic argument." Complete article here: LINK
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 4, 2021 18:42:05 GMT -5
... As the New Yorker's Jane Mayer noted:
Few people noticed at the time, but in … Bush v. Gore, Chief Justice William Rehnquist, along with Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, hinted at a radical reading of the Constitution that, two decades later, undergirds many of the court challenges on behalf of Trump. In a concurring opinion, the Justices argued that state legislatures have the plenary power to run elections and can even pass laws giving themselves the right to appoint electors.
Today, the so-called Independent Legislature Doctrine has informed Trump and the right's attempts to use Republican-dominated state legislatures to overrule the popular will. Nathaniel Persily, an election-law expert at Stanford, told me, "It's giving intellectual respectability to an otherwise insane, anti-democratic argument."
Complete article here: LINKHmmmm. Radical reading? What does it actually say: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: ... Doesn't seem that radical to me that a legislature could directly name Electors if they chose to do so. But here is an issue: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors ... The slate of Electors would have to be chosen on the Congressionally determined selection day, not some day after the votes were counted and a Legislature decided they aren't happy with the election results.
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Post by Opti on Oct 4, 2021 23:27:35 GMT -5
Can Bannon go too? I believe Bannon is on the record in multiple places as wanting to destroy America.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 5, 2021 9:42:30 GMT -5
Pence is the human personification of a damp white bread and cream cheese sandwich. GOP has proven they prefer to vote for screaming dumpster fires who poke the line. Pence has zero chance in 2024.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2021 10:10:51 GMT -5
How could Pence even consider being trump's 2020 running mate knowing what the rest of the world knew about trump's immoral past and present behavior and zero ethics. Pence sold his soul and lost any future rights to criticize anyone regarding their immoral behavior and lack of ethics. That applies too to trump supporters who voted for trump in 2016 and 2020.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 5, 2021 10:32:40 GMT -5
How could Pence even consider being trump's 2020 running mate knowing what the rest of the world knew about trump's immoral past and present behavior and zero ethics. Pence sold his soul and lost any future rights to criticize anyone regarding their immoral behavior and lack of ethics. That applies too to trump supporters who voted for trump in 2016 and 2020. He doesn’t want to be VP. He wants to be the president.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 5, 2021 10:41:41 GMT -5
But Trump would never pick pence as VP again anyway- Pence foiled Trumps spectacular coup plans.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2021 10:43:47 GMT -5
How could Pence even consider being trump's 2020 running mate knowing what the rest of the world knew about trump's immoral past and present behavior and zero ethics. Pence sold his soul and lost any future rights to criticize anyone regarding their immoral behavior and lack of ethics. That applies too to trump supporters who voted for trump in 2016 and 2020. He doesn’t want to be VP. He wants to be the president. All the more reason for Pence to never be elected president. Pence sold his fundamentalist Christian soul to Beelzebub by accepting trump's request to be his vice president in 2016 and failed to redeem it in 2020 by remaining on the Trump ticket.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 5, 2021 11:18:28 GMT -5
He doesn’t want to be VP. He wants to be the president. All the more reason for Pence to never be elected president. Pence sold his fundamentalist Christian soul to Beelzebub by accepting trump's request to be his vice president in 2016 and failed to redeem it in 2020 by remaining on the Trump ticket. I don’t see him doing well. Trump hates him and he’s as charismatic as a year old carrot. Can’t imagine who his base would be, other than Mommy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 5, 2021 18:31:01 GMT -5
Pence is the human personification of a damp white bread and cream cheese sandwich. GOP has proven they prefer to vote for screaming dumpster fires who poke the line. Pence has zero chance in 2024. I have read this three times and decided the problem is the word WE. who are these poor, weak people that need to feel strong again? middle aged, washed up men?
I am being serious right now.
because America has never been more feared. that is not a good thing. but it is a fact.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 5, 2021 18:54:59 GMT -5
All the more reason for Pence to never be elected president. Pence sold his fundamentalist Christian soul to Beelzebub by accepting trump's request to be his vice president in 2016 and failed to redeem it in 2020 by remaining on the Trump ticket. I don’t see him doing well. Trump hates him and he’s as charismatic as a year old carrot. Can’t imagine who his base would be, other than Mommy. I agree. My sister would vote for him. She might even voter fraud, so she could vote multiple times for him. That is her kind of politician. Straight from the 50's and KKK white.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 6, 2021 9:27:12 GMT -5
Too bad. No pity for her. She's also afraid to be sentenced to a jail in Washington D.C. because she's afraid of contracting the Covid virus. So get vaccinated lady. A Capitol riot suspect is being 'shunned' by people in her small Indiana town and 'chastised' on the street, lawyer saysA Capitol riot suspect has been "shunned" and "chastised" by her community since her arrest in February, her lawyer wrote in a sentencing memorandum seen by Insider. On Tuesday, Dona Bissey, 53, from Bloomfield, Indiana, wrote a letter to the court pleading for leniency and asking for a sentence of 18 months' probation. Bissey faces four charges, including entering and remaining in a restricted building, and violent entry, and disorderly conduct in a Capitol building. In the sentencing memorandum seen by Insider, the federal public defender AJ Kramer said the events of the insurrection had left Bissy feeling "deep regret, fear, shame, and remorse." The lawyer also said that Bissey should not be incarcerated in a Washington, DC, jail due to multiple health issues, adding that she feared she will contract COVID-19. Bissey has not been vaccinated, he said. Complete article here: link
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