January 6th Bomb Exploded

[billisonboard]

Jan 7, 2021 14:06:53 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Jan 7, 2021 13:58:31 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

She needed to stay to be in a position to invoke the 25th Amendment.

Protecting trump?  

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

She was one of "the principal officers of the executive departments" who could have helped remove President Trump.

[jelloshots4all]

Jan 7, 2021 14:15:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:06:53 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Protecting trump?  

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

She was one of "the principal officers of the executive departments" who could have helped remove President Trump.

Which is likely why she resigned

[thyme4change]

Jan 7, 2021 13:58:31 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 7, 2021 13:44:30 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

Mitch McConnell's wife, transportation secretary Chao resigned

She needed to stay to be in a position to invoke the 25th Amendment.

I was thinking she quit so her name wouldn't be on it one way or another.

Or, Trump will retaliate on her for Mitch's disloyalty.

[thyme4change]

Jan 7, 2021 14:15:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:06:53 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Protecting trump?  

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

She was one of "the principal officers of the executive departments" who could have helped remove President Trump.

If his whole cabinet quits, he will put Ivanka, Jared, Don Jr, Eric and Rudy on there and the 25th won't be possible.

[chiver78]

I don't think Acting Cabinet position holders qualify to act (or not) on the 25th. I could be wrong, though. 

[djAdvocate]

I also think the resignations are a terrible idea.

[billisonboard]

Jan 7, 2021 14:23:13 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:15:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

She was one of "the principal officers of the executive departments" who could have helped remove President Trump.

Which is likely why she resigned

So instead of remaining in the office and having a say with invoking or not the 25th Amendment, she resigned so that she couldn't do anything in regards to the decision to invoke or not invoke the Amendment as the best way of protecting Trump from being removed from office? Is that the claim?

[thyme4change]

Jan 7, 2021 14:32:45 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:23:13 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

Which is likely why she resigned

So instead of remaining in the office and having a say with invoking or not the 25th Amendment, she resigned so that she couldn't do anything in regards to the decision to invoke or not invoke the Amendment as the best way of protecting Trump from being removed from office? Is that the claim?

Yes. She and her husband still have a political career to think of. Which way will the party (the base) sway after this? If she plucks Trump from power, will she be sunk, will she be threatened by MAGAs, will she be a hero or villian? Same questions if she chooses to fight it? We really don't know how powerful the cult of Trump will be as time goes on. She wants to stay as neutral as possible.

[chiver78]

according to a cut in graphic on Biden's speech (I'm running behind, had a work call so I lost audio and rewound it), Pelosi has officially called for the 25th to be invoked. 

[Opti]

Yes they are protecting themselves. I wish someone had the guts though to protect the country first. Isn't that allegedly part of the reason for being in the federal government?

[jelloshots4all]

Jan 7, 2021 14:32:45 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:23:13 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

Which is likely why she resigned

So instead of remaining in the office and having a say with invoking or not the 25th Amendment, she resigned so that she couldn't do anything in regards to the decision to invoke or not invoke the Amendment as the best way of protecting Trump from being removed from office? Is that the claim?

She would have put her husband in a situation that he would have to go against her?

[billisonboard]

Jan 7, 2021 14:36:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:32:45 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

So instead of remaining in the office and having a say with invoking or not the 25th Amendment, she resigned so that she couldn't do anything in regards to the decision to invoke or not invoke the Amendment as the best way of protecting Trump from being removed from office? Is that the claim?

Yes. She and her husband still have a political career to think of. Which way will the party (the base) sway after this? If she plucks Trump from power, will she be sunk, will she be threatened by MAGAs, will she be a hero or villian? Same questions if she chooses to fight it? We really don't know how powerful the cult of Trump will be as time goes on. She wants to stay as neutral as possible.

“Yesterday, our country experienced a traumatic and entirely avoidable event as supporters of the President stormed the Capitol building following a rally he addressed,” Chao said in a statement.

“As I’m sure is the case with many of you, it has deeply troubled me in a way that I simply cannot set aside,” Chao said.

Neutral?

[thyme4change]

Jan 7, 2021 14:39:01 GMT -5 Opti said:

Yes they are protecting themselves. I wish someone had the guts though to protect the country first. Isn't that allegedly part of the reason for being in the federal government?

🤣🤣 When have politicians ever put the country first?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 7, 2021 14:48:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:39:01 GMT -5 Opti said:

Yes they are protecting themselves. I wish someone had the guts though to protect the country first. Isn't that allegedly part of the reason for being in the federal government?

🤣🤣 When have politicians ever put the country first?

1974

[billisonboard]

Jan 7, 2021 14:43:59 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:32:45 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

So instead of remaining in the office and having a say with invoking or not the 25th Amendment, she resigned so that she couldn't do anything in regards to the decision to invoke or not invoke the Amendment as the best way of protecting Trump from being removed from office? Is that the claim?

She would have put her husband in a situation that he would have to go against her?

Is this true if she did or didn't support invoking the 25th Amendment? I am struggling with understanding the logic.

[thyme4change]

Jan 7, 2021 14:52:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:48:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

🤣🤣 When have politicians ever put the country first?

1974

Side note - I laughed really hard when Mitch said 'Let's look at recent history: 1974, 2000 and [whatever other year he said]'. My kids said "How long is recent history?" LOL. I guess when you are a 200 year old turtle, 1974 was just yesterday.

[chiver78]

Actions have consequences. 

Pelosi says she’s seeking resignation of Capitol police chief — 2:29 p.m.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she’s seeking the resignation of Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund a day after supporters of President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol.



The California Democrat also said Thursday that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving, another key security official, had already submitted his resignation. He reports directly to Pelosi, while Sund answers to both House and Senate.

Incoming Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said he’ll fire the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger.



Lawmakers have mixed praise for the Capitol Police with harsh criticism for the outfit, which was overwhelmed by Wednesday’s mob and unprepared for it.

[Tiny]

Jan 7, 2021 14:32:45 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 7, 2021 14:23:13 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

Which is likely why she resigned

So instead of remaining in the office and having a say with invoking or not the 25th Amendment, she resigned so that she couldn't do anything in regards to the decision to invoke or not invoke the Amendment as the best way of protecting Trump from being removed from office? Is that the claim?

Not sure where I was going with my question about her intentions. 

She's successfully navigated other instances when she was in a spot between trump and McConnell.   So, I didn't think she'd step down to protect the political career of Mitch or herself.    

I'm just wondering why she'd suddenly have a problem with trump and the things he does and says.  trump seems to have been pretty up front and predictable in his actions and what he wants to do.   I don't think yesterday was that big of a surprise. 

Maybe it's a case of "it's all fun and games until the Capitol gets stormed by trump supporters and the Representatives and Senators get frightened"?   

I would imagine most of the Representatives and Senators have been getting death threats and what not from these trump supporters.   Have we forgotten about the visit to the Michagan SoS home: 

www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/07/943820889/michigan-secretary-of-state-says-armed-protesters-descended-on-her-home-saturday 

It's not like trump's supporters haven't been getting bolder. 

I guess I'm wonder what purpose her resignation serves?   

[justme]

Jan 7, 2021 15:30:29 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Actions have consequences. 

Pelosi says she’s seeking resignation of Capitol police chief — 2:29 p.m.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she’s seeking the resignation of Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund a day after supporters of President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol.



The California Democrat also said Thursday that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving, another key security official, had already submitted his resignation. He reports directly to Pelosi, while Sund answers to both House and Senate.

Incoming Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said he’ll fire the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger.



Lawmakers have mixed praise for the Capitol Police with harsh criticism for the outfit, which was overwhelmed by Wednesday’s mob and unprepared for it.

It'll be interesting how this shakes out. Now a lot of the politicians that were condemning the police treatment of BLM actually have a police force that they're in control of that failed - albeit in a different direction.

I also wonder if changes will be made for DC's national guard. The mayor asked for them prior to and was turned down and since she's not a governor she can only ask for their presence. 

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Nancy on impeachment:

“My members are very much interested. My phone is exploding with ‘impeach, impeach, impeach,'" she said, adding, “I don’t have immediate plans. We haven’t even been to sleep since the folly of the Republicans deciding we should go until four in the morning for no purpose whatsoever except to be enablers of the President’s sedition.”

www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/washington-dc-election-riots update 42 minutes ago

[djAdvocate]

I heard the speech, and it was much more affirming on the possibility of impeachment than your excerpt.

[daisylu]

I also wonder if changes will be made for DC's national guard. The mayor asked for them prior to and was turned down and since she's not a governor she can only ask for their presence.


This NEEDS to change. Virginia & Maryland sent their guards to help, but that took time to prepare and to move. The DC guard could have been on alert early and ready to go when called.

[Tennesseer]

Poor, stupid Elizabeth.  She's making state news because she is from Knoxville.  

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Jan 7, 2021 18:08:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Poor, stupid Elizabeth.  She's making state news because she is from Knoxville.  

"we're storming the capital! It's a revolution!"


will Elizabeth from Knoxville be charged for this?

[Tennesseer]

Jan 7, 2021 18:24:31 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Jan 7, 2021 18:08:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Poor, stupid Elizabeth.  She's making state news because she is from Knoxville.  

"we're storming the capital! It's a revolution!"


will Elizabeth from Knoxville be charged for this?

It sounds like a news reporter was interviewing her. Maybe (s)he turned over the tape to the police. There are news articles about her if you Google 'Elizabeth Knoxville mace'.

She sounds like a lost cause. Completely brainwashed.

[Opti]

Jan 7, 2021 18:08:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Poor, stupid Elizabeth.  She's making state news because she is from Knoxville.  

We're storming the capital, its a revolution?     Most of the people I read being interviewed admitted they had no idea what to do once they got into the Capitol building. She sounds like she didn't have much of an idea or plan before she got there.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 7, 2021 18:29:44 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 7, 2021 18:08:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Poor, stupid Elizabeth.  She's making state news because she is from Knoxville.  

We're storming the capital, its a revolution?     Most of the people I read being interviewed admitted they had no idea what to do once they got into the Capitol building. She sounds like she didn't have much of an idea or plan before she got there.

Sheep over the cliff.

[Opti]

Jan 7, 2021 18:30:58 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 7, 2021 18:29:44 GMT -5 Opti said:

We're storming the capital, its a revolution?     Most of the people I read being interviewed admitted they had no idea what to do once they got into the Capitol building. She sounds like she didn't have much of an idea or plan before she got there.

Sheep over the cliff.

I laughed at the Elizabeth starter pack someone posted. Piano scarf, blue towel...

[flan327]

Jan 7, 2021 18:40:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 7, 2021 18:38:26 GMT -5 flan327 said:

Sheep are usually smarter

Yea. Sheep know to use a punctuation mark at the end of a sentence.

Feel better now??

??

[thyme4change]

Jan 7, 2021 18:24:31 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Jan 7, 2021 18:08:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Poor, stupid Elizabeth.  She's making state news because she is from Knoxville.  

"we're storming the capital! It's a revolution!"


will Elizabeth from Knoxville be charged for this?

I have watched this like 8 times. I can't stop laughing. How does she not hear it?