Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 20:49:24 GMT -5
The job my son just got pays $12 per hour, a whopping $0.75 over min wage and he has 3 years of continuous experience.
He will max out at 32 hours per week and never have sick leave, vacation, or any benefits. That's normal for this type of job. He was fortunate to make more than min wage.
So, he makes $384 before taxes. He's single and has no children or deductions, so he sees less than $300 per week of his check.
Their rent is $750 a month for the cheapest place they could find. He needs a new vehicle, but after rent, utilities, food, etc... there isn't much left.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 21:22:23 GMT -5
The job my son just got pays $12 per hour, a whopping $0.75 over min wage and he has 3 years of continuous experience. He will max out at 32 hours per week and never have sick leave, vacation, or any benefits. That's normal for this type of job. He was fortunate to make more than min wage. So, he makes $384 before taxes. He's single and has no children or deductions, so he sees less than $300 per week of his check. Their rent is $750 a month for the cheapest place they could find. He needs a new vehicle, but after rent, utilities, food, etc... there isn't much left. I understand the frustration. Ironically, this is almost $5 an hour above the federal minimum wage. This should motivate him to get the necessary training for a better career path. Minimum wage jobs are for those beginning their careers. However, the much higher overall minimum wage is also probably messing up the salary. Retail jobs are known for their nickel and dime (literally!) raises. I would get STELLAR reviews and a quarter an hour for my efforts.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 39,593
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
Member is Online
|
Post by Opti on Sept 28, 2020 22:02:54 GMT -5
Who is going to pay for this necessary training?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 22:08:10 GMT -5
Who is going to pay for this necessary training? If he is unhappy with what he earns, I would assume he would. Most people pay for the training that gets them better jobs themselves. I did. If he is actually unemployed, sometimes they pay for it. Sometimes employers pay for it through tuition reimbursement programs. It is "necessary" training only if you want a BETTER job. He has a job so it isn't necessary for THAT job, only a better one.
|
|
stillmovingforward
Senior Member
Hanging on by a thread
Joined: Jan 1, 2014 21:52:58 GMT -5
Posts: 3,066
Today's Mood: Don't Mess with Me!
Location: Not Sure Yet
|
Post by stillmovingforward on Sept 29, 2020 9:56:17 GMT -5
How do you pay for it, find extra money for gas, and take the hit on your work hours? A lot of those boxs don't have set shifts and your supervisor doesn't care. That's the problems we see around here for educational help.
|
|
formerroomate99
Junior Associate
Joined: Sept 12, 2011 13:33:12 GMT -5
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 29, 2020 10:10:02 GMT -5
How do you pay for it, find extra money for gas, and take the hit on your work hours? A lot of those boxs don't have set shifts and your supervisor doesn't care. That's the problems we see around here for educational help. There are some companies that pay crap but have fairly generous tuition reimbursement. Back in the day, UPS was known for that. And there’s so many online options for school these days.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 10:26:24 GMT -5
Tuition reimbursement is nice. First you have to scratch together enough $$ to pay up front.
"Get an education" is right up there with "See a doctor." No $$, no education. No $$, no doctor, even with health insurance because the deductibles are too high for most ordinary people to pay.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 10:57:40 GMT -5
After that doctor's visit, then you get a scrip for meds you can't pay for and/or for lab work you can't afford, either. Then there's the time off the job needed for the appointment...if you're not at work, you don't get paid.
As for tuition reimbursement, the employer could decide that the courses you want won't have anything to do with/make your more valuable to the business and deny your request. For instance, you want to take classes in the building trades, say to be an electrician. You're employed by McDonald's as an "associate." What are your chances of being reimbursed?
For those who've never been affected by these kinds of problems, the solutions appear to be simple and obvious. They aren't.
|
|
TheOtherMe
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 14:40:52 GMT -5
Posts: 26,962
Mini-Profile Name Color: e619e6
|
Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 29, 2020 11:02:33 GMT -5
Do any of these low paying employers offer tuition reimbursement to part time employees?
|
|
alabamagal
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 11:30:29 GMT -5
Posts: 8,113
|
Post by alabamagal on Sept 29, 2020 11:34:15 GMT -5
Do any of these low paying employers offer tuition reimbursement to part time employees? Many jobs offer the training as part of job. DSIL started work at a chain tire store as a tire changer. After a few months they sent him to corporate trading program for 4 days so he would begin steps to mechanic certification. Then he joined Army. Pay is not great, but when you factor in tax free food and housing allowances, pay is equivalent to $50k per year. He now has EMT level certification, plus taking college classes and just re enlisted hoping to get to nursing or PA school. DD is a SAHM for now with kid #2 on the way. And they get to live some pretty cool places, Germany and soon Hawaii.
|
|
jerseygirl
Senior Member
Joined: May 13, 2018 7:43:08 GMT -5
Posts: 4,698
|
Post by jerseygirl on Sept 29, 2020 11:34:44 GMT -5
Maybe get a second job and save for community college course Dog walking, pizza delivery, baby sitting, weeding or window washing, simple car maintenance etc When I taught in a cc almost all of my students had pick up jobs Some took only one course at a time and these students mostly had a primary job with another. Took a while to finish but wow did they value their education I routinely had students thank me and tell me they now had a better life and a job that paid more snd was more interesting than they ever thought possible Taught a number of students who only had a GED, many single moms, factory workers etc I taught in bio and chemistry depts and these students did very well Can apply the same ideas to trades, construction work Hustle and aim for a better future. If someone is not learning challenged then no reason to stay at a minimum wage job for a ‘career’
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 11:37:38 GMT -5
Tuition reimbursement is for people with "real" jobs, not people who typically need it to improve their lives.
No benefits says exactly what it means. No sick time, vacation, health coverage, tuition reimbursement, or anything else. The same as he had after working nearly full-time for Walmart for the last year. As soon as you get too many hours and qualify they slash your hours or lay you off.
His new employer is a large grocery chain but the stores are independently operated with fewer than 50 employees so don't have to give any benefits.
My son barely graduated high school and has both some sort of mental health issues and a learning disability. He's not capable of going to any sort of college or likely trade school, if he even could pay for it. He can barely tolerate people enough to stock shelves, honestly.
He has no guarantee of a schedule and min wage in Oregon is $11.25 per hour. He's not making $5 over min wage. The fed min wage means nothing on the west coast because the COL is so high.
When I was his age I was making over $9 a hour working for Kaiser and had benefits. That was 30+ years ago. Today, if I get a job locally, I will likely make min wage with no benefits. I'm sure there's been no cost of living increase in 30+ years...
The idea he can pull himself up by his bootstraps is mostly a myth these days.
I have suggested he look into becoming a plumber, construction worker, roofer, or something where he could make more money. But, he's in his late 20s and it's his life at this point.
My other son has the same issue. He has seizures daily and CBD is controlling them, but they still happen every.single.day. Whatever's wrong with him affected his cognitive ability and I don't know how he will ever go back to school or have any sort of job with more responsibility to make a decent living. He's on his 4th driving test to keep his license, for example, and hasn't been able to pass it. He's been driving for a decade...
I don't know what the answer is for my sons. I do know they are hardly alone. Most of their friends from high school are in similar situations.
|
|
buystoys
Junior Associate
Joined: Mar 30, 2012 4:58:12 GMT -5
Posts: 5,650
|
Post by buystoys on Sept 29, 2020 11:44:06 GMT -5
Do any of these low paying employers offer tuition reimbursement to part time employees? A couple do.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:13:48 GMT -5
Tuition reimbursement is for people with "real" jobs, not people who typically need it to improve their lives. No benefits says exactly what it means. No sick time, vacation, health coverage, tuition reimbursement, or anything else. The same as he had after working nearly full-time for Walmart for the last year. As soon as you get too many hours and qualify they slash your hours or lay you off. His new employer is a large grocery chain but the stores are independently operated with fewer than 50 employees so don't have to give any benefits. My son barely graduated high school and has both some sort of mental health issues and a learning disability. He's not capable of going to any sort of college or likely trade school, if he even could pay for it. He can barely tolerate people enough to stock shelves, honestly. He has no guarantee of a schedule and min wage in Oregon is $11.25 per hour. He's not making $5 over min wage. The fed min wage means nothing on the west coast because the COL is so high.
When I was his age I was making over $9 a hour working for Kaiser and had benefits. That was 30+ years ago. Today, if I get a job locally, I will likely make min wage with no benefits. I'm sure there's been no cost of living increase in 30+ years... The idea he can pull himself up by his bootstraps is mostly a myth these days. I have suggested he look into becoming a plumber, construction worker, roofer, or something where he could make more money. But, he's in his late 20s and it's his life at this point. My other son has the same issue. He has seizures daily and CBD is controlling them, but they still happen every.single.day. Whatever's wrong with him affected his cognitive ability and I don't know how he will ever go back to school or have any sort of job with more responsibility to make a decent living. He's on his 4th driving test to keep his license, for example, and hasn't been able to pass it. He's been driving for a decade... I don't know what the answer is for my sons. I do know they are hardly alone. Most of their friends from high school are in similar situations. That is another part of the solution. Move to an area with a LCOL where the federal minimum wage is a little more practical. I know your son with the health issues can't really do that, but your other son could. Yes, he is in his late 20s and it's his life to live wherever he wants. But the taxpayers don't have to subsidize that life. It isn't our fault that he isn't interested in becoming a plumber, construction worker, etc. I have a niece who is on the same career path he seems to be on, working various part-time jobs. She had to give up her apartment and move in with her mom. And she has two college degrees. She doesn't want to be a social worker even though she has a degree in it. That isn't the taxpayer's fault either. So there's the catch. We have to figure out how to incentivize people to want better jobs so that they will make the sacrifices necessary to get them. I've known many students who joined the Armed Services because they wanted to go to college eventually. I'm not advocating that for everyone, but that's the kind of sacrifice that taking control of your future often requires. And now I'm through with this thread simply because I don't know the answers.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:31:44 GMT -5
Sure. Just move. No problem. Just move. Oy. The people with the the answers are people who are far removed from these kinds of problems and always have been. "Just." Just do this. Just do that. Just do what I say. Just get motivated. Just join the military. Just.
@bamafan1954, Your niece? Not the same thing. Sounds as though she's "just" an entitled snowflake.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,327
|
Post by thyme4change on Sept 29, 2020 12:44:12 GMT -5
Highest unemployment rate in decades, so just get a second job...
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:46:12 GMT -5
Sure. Just move. No problem. Just move. Oy. The people with the the answers are people who are far removed from these kinds of problems and always have been. "Just." Just do this. Just do that. Just do what I say. Just get motivated. Just join the military. Just. @bamafan1954 , Your niece? Not the same thing. Sounds as though she's "just" an entitled snowflake. You made me respond by tagging me. And you put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I strongly resent that. I never said, "Just move." I agree that is a cavalier response. What I said was part of the solution would be to move to where the COL was not so high. I also didn't say "just join the military." I said that was an example of the sacrifices you sometimes have to make. I'm startled that you would sacrifice accuracy to make your point.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:55:36 GMT -5
Sure. Just move. No problem. Just move. Oy. The people with the the answers are people who are far removed from these kinds of problems and always have been. "Just." Just do this. Just do that. Just do what I say. Just get motivated. Just join the military. Just. @bamafan1954 , Your niece? Not the same thing. Sounds as though she's "just" an entitled snowflake. You made me respond by tagging me. And you put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I strongly resent that. I never said, "Just move." I agree that is a cavalier response. What I said was part of the solution would be to move to where the COL was not so high. I also didn't say "just join the military." I said that was an example of the sacrifices you sometimes have to make. I'm startled that you would sacrifice accuracy to make your point. They were my words and I wasn't implying that you said them. Sorry if that's the way you saw them. The point is that those are the kinds of responses from people who have no point of reference to people who are somehow stuck in a situation from which there appears to be no way out.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:25 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:57:43 GMT -5
How do you pay for it, find extra money for gas, and take the hit on your work hours? A lot of those boxs don't have set shifts and your supervisor doesn't care. That's the problems we see around here for educational help. It was an eye-opener for me to find that lower-paying retail and food service jobs are now pretty much "on-call". You're expected to be available during certain hours, even though you're not being paid, so they can call and have you come into work because they need the extra bodies. Or you can came in and it's a slow day so they send you home after 2 hours. Makes perfect sense if you're a corporate bean-counter but how are you supposed to manage college classes or a second job around that?
|
|
jerseygirl
Senior Member
Joined: May 13, 2018 7:43:08 GMT -5
Posts: 4,698
|
Post by jerseygirl on Sept 29, 2020 13:12:09 GMT -5
Highest unemployment rate in decades, so just get a second job... Not another traditional low paying job, look for opportunities to do work that others don’t want or don’t have time for- dog walking, mind kids for a few hours when parents can’t cope cause they’re working from home, offer to teach kids how to cook, play guitar or something you enjoy, clean houses, clean out attics, garages, paint houses, print up flyers offering ....... Don’t be passive
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,333
Member is Online
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2020 14:26:57 GMT -5
Highest unemployment rate in decades, so just get a second job... Not another traditional low paying job, look for opportunities to do work that others don’t want or don’t have time for- dog walking, mind kids for a few hours when parents can’t cope cause they’re working from home, offer to teach kids how to cook, play guitar or something you enjoy, clean houses, clean out attics, garages, paint houses, print up flyers offering ....... Don’t be passive Sure that will make them rich in no time. Spoken like someone who has had many advantages
|
|
TheOtherMe
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 14:40:52 GMT -5
Posts: 26,962
Mini-Profile Name Color: e619e6
|
Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 29, 2020 14:34:26 GMT -5
You made me respond by tagging me. And you put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I strongly resent that. I never said, "Just move." I agree that is a cavalier response. What I said was part of the solution would be to move to where the COL was not so high. I also didn't say "just join the military." I said that was an example of the sacrifices you sometimes have to make. I'm startled that you would sacrifice accuracy to make your point. They were my words and I wasn't implying that you said them. Sorry if that's the way you saw them. The point is that those are the kinds of responses from people who have no point of reference to people who are somehow stuck in a situation from which there appears to be no way out. It costs money to move. They may have had child care from a relative where they are now that they won't have some place else. Moving is not that simple. I used to talk a lot to my favorite server (have not seen her since the pandemic). She lives with her mom. Her mom has a job similar to hers. Her mom helps her with her son. If the tips don't come in, she gets little pay. If business is slow, she gets sent home. This woman doesn't own a car. How is she supposed to move?
|
|
stillmovingforward
Senior Member
Hanging on by a thread
Joined: Jan 1, 2014 21:52:58 GMT -5
Posts: 3,066
Today's Mood: Don't Mess with Me!
Location: Not Sure Yet
|
Post by stillmovingforward on Sept 29, 2020 15:03:14 GMT -5
Not only that, but you lose your safety net when you move. No close relatives or friends to lean on for money, childcare, food, etc.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 15:35:54 GMT -5
That is another part of the solution. Move to an area with a LCOL where the federal minimum wage is a little more practical. I know your son with the health issues can't really do that, but your other son could. Yes, he is in his late 20s and it's his life to live wherever he wants. But the taxpayers don't have to subsidize that life. It isn't our fault that he isn't interested in becoming a plumber, construction worker, etc. I have a niece who is on the same career path he seems to be on, working various part-time jobs. She had to give up her apartment and move in with her mom. And she has two college degrees. She doesn't want to be a social worker even though she has a degree in it. That isn't the taxpayer's fault either. You are subsidizing his life how? He gets ZERO support from the tax payers in any form. He could get ACA healthcare but refuses because he can't afford to pay the payments for a policy. Again, he's an adult and that's his problem at this point. He lives with his GF who is licensed to only work in OR. So, just move isn't an option even if they didn't have a lease and could afford it. Again, my kids are adults. They will do what they choose to do at this point and it really isn't my issue. I give them advice when they ask for it, but otherwise it's their life to live.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 15:46:03 GMT -5
When I was 20, I got a clerical job for Kaiser making $9 an hour. Within 10 years, I was making 50K a year and had a professional IT career I had earned through self-study, volunteer work, and hard ass work and many 80-hour work weeks.
I didn't have a college degree then. Today, I would never have even been allowed to be promoted into that position. And, probably more than a BS in computer science would have been the minimum schooling required to even apply.
Today, when you apply for a job, you have to do it online. Software and AI then often screens you out. No college degree for a job that shouldn't require one - screened out. No or bad credit, screened out. Didn't answer the 100 question personality test correctly - screened out.
You also can't just go get a job at a mechanic's shop and learn to fix cars. That now requires some serious schooling due to the complexity of newer vehicles. Same for many other trades as well.
While it is entirely possible to learn a trade and make a decent living with a lot of gumption and some luck, it's getting harder and harder for this generation to do so. And, most low-skill jobs don't pay enough to ever buy a car or a house, let alone raise a family, pay for healthcare, etc...
I too am done with this thread. My kids will be fine. If they ever need taxpayer help, then they need it and I hope it's around for them. I manage my life, not theirs.
|
|
formerroomate99
Junior Associate
Joined: Sept 12, 2011 13:33:12 GMT -5
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 29, 2020 15:56:03 GMT -5
How do you pay for it, find extra money for gas, and take the hit on your work hours? A lot of those boxs don't have set shifts and your supervisor doesn't care. That's the problems we see around here for educational help. It was an eye-opener for me to find that lower-paying retail and food service jobs are now pretty much "on-call". You're expected to be available during certain hours, even though you're not being paid, so they can call and have you come into work because they need the extra bodies. Or you can came in and it's a slow day so they send you home after 2 hours. Makes perfect sense if you're a corporate bean-counter but how are you supposed to manage college classes or a second job around that? There are only two options I can think of off the top of my head. One is to get a job whose hours are completely outside the hours of your retail job. For example working the 11 PM to 7 AM shift at the hospital or any other place that operates 24 hours a day. The other option would be to pick up odd jobs that have a certain amount of flexibility when you do the work. For example most people aren’t really going to care if their lawn gets mowed at Tuesday at 3 PM versus Wednesday at 10 AM, As long as it gets done this week. Some people claim they make money as a virtual assistant etc. on the Internet. Not sure I buy that. The whole on call thing for a near minimum wage job is outrageous. In my neck of the woods, it’s pretty common to see guys under 30 working IT jobs without a degree. They generally get there by learning the skills on their own time on their own dime, getting some kind of entry-level job within the company, and then just taking on new responsibilities to prove themselves. But that’s only because there’s a tech boom going on out here. I’m sure in a few years those opportunities will be gone.
|
|
jerseygirl
Senior Member
Joined: May 13, 2018 7:43:08 GMT -5
Posts: 4,698
|
Post by jerseygirl on Sept 29, 2020 16:08:45 GMT -5
Not another traditional low paying job, look for opportunities to do work that others don’t want or don’t have time for- dog walking, mind kids for a few hours when parents can’t cope cause they’re working from home, offer to teach kids how to cook, play guitar or something you enjoy, clean houses, clean out attics, garages, paint houses, print up flyers offering ....... Don’t be passive Sure that will make them rich in no time. Spoken like someone who has had many advantages Miserable response, not implying this would make them rich But these are jobs some of my students had done to enable them to afford community college and get started on a non-minimal job path I also taught in a traditional 4 yr liberal arts college and some but a lower proportion also did these jobs. Yes my husband and I had advantages most of all our parents. We were first in families to go to college. I went to inner city catholic high school,often in the morning walking past drunks passed out on sidewalk. Husband similar Parents paid for my tuition, husband got scholarship. Nuns were intense. Husband and I knew nothing about how to get into college but the nuns pushed us and we both got partial scholarships to Catholic colleges, not prestigious but we got great educations. Especially husband who went to Jesuit college Yes great advantages and we appreciate our parents and teachers very much.
|
|
formerroomate99
Junior Associate
Joined: Sept 12, 2011 13:33:12 GMT -5
Posts: 7,381
|
Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 29, 2020 16:22:43 GMT -5
Sure that will make them rich in no time. Spoken like someone who has had many advantages Miserable response, not implying this would make them rich But these are jobs some of my students had done to enable them to afford community college and get started on a non-minimal job path I also taught in a traditional 4 yr liberal arts college and some but a lower proportion also did these jobs. When I was in college, a bunch of the guys would spend their summers working 16 hour days in the cannery is in Alaska,. Some did the same at home working construction. They would come to school with their tuition room and board paid. It wouldn’t go as far now, and that’s assuming that those jobs are even still available now, but it would at least earn enough to pay for community college and living at home. I remember WCP saying that he earned a hell of a lot more money doing yardwork than working a teenager job. Though at this point, a lot of that work is probably been gobbled up by small landscaping companies that are staffed by illegals.
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,333
Member is Online
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2020 16:30:02 GMT -5
Sure that will make them rich in no time. Spoken like someone who has had many advantages Miserable response, not implying this would make them rich But these are jobs some of my students had done to enable them to afford community college and get started on a non-minimal job path I also taught in a traditional 4 yr liberal arts college and some but a lower proportion also did these jobs. College costs are out of control, and have outpaced the gains in wages. States have cut findi. People talk about there being too many schools, and some need to close, which will lead to even less opportunity. Making minimum wage, and the challenges with getting hours have been outlined. This attitude we see here is why upward mobility in the US has declined. You act like these people don’t try. I see people working hard, and being screwed by the system. We need to do something to make it easier for people to improve themselves. If you think my response is miserable, change places with them.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Mar 29, 2024 6:19:25 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 16:44:29 GMT -5
Today, when you apply for a job, you have to do it online. Software and AI then often screens you out. No college degree for a job that shouldn't require one - screened out. No or bad credit, screened out. Didn't answer the 100 question personality test correctly - screened out. You also can't just go get a job at a mechanic's shop and learn to fix cars. That now requires some serious schooling due to the complexity of newer vehicles. Same for many other trades as well. Yes- these two things have gotten way off track. Do you really need a college degree to be a good Admin? No, but employers require it because they can. Do you even need a degree in the field you'll be working in? Not always. In the 1970s a friend with a degree in English Literature from the U. of Toronto (very well-respected school) was hired into the Commercial lending department of a big bank in NYC and had a long, successful career. How far would that get him at Citi or Chase now? Credit reports are dicey. They can reflect honesty or integrity but can also reflect luck or bad breaks. When I applied for jobs in 1997 and 2002 I had to explain that they'd find nasties on my credit report because my then-husband had bought himself nice things using my cards and hidden the bills from me. (This was before transactions were available on-line.) I could give them a heads-up and they could see that my record post-divorce was pristine. Both times I got hired. How do you put that into an on-line application? And high schools got out of training for the trades, which is really unfortunate. But, they had to have those pretty statistics showing that 99 4/100% of their students went on to college. Didn't matter if they dropped out the first year because they were ill-prepared, went to a rinkydink "career college" that left them with little but a pile of student loans, or ended up as a barista at Starbucks and a degree in Comparative Religions.
|
|