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Post by billisonboard on Sept 30, 2020 18:23:03 GMT -5
Not from 2020 so maybe it shouldn't count but: President Donald Trump revealed Tuesday that he wanted to assassinate Syrian President Bashar Assad earlier in his presidency, reversing his previous denial that the issue ever came up.
“I would have rather taken him out. I had him all set. Mattis didn't want to do it," Trump said in an interview with Fox & Friends, referring to then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. "Mattis was against most of that stuff." Trump changes story, says he wanted to assassinate Syria's Assad
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 30, 2020 20:07:25 GMT -5
Not from 2020 so maybe it shouldn't count but: President Donald Trump revealed Tuesday that he wanted to assassinate Syrian President Bashar Assad earlier in his presidency, reversing his previous denial that the issue ever came up.
“I would have rather taken him out. I had him all set. Mattis didn't want to do it," Trump said in an interview with Fox & Friends, referring to then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. "Mattis was against most of that stuff." Trump changes story, says he wanted to assassinate Syria's Assad It counts, it was on his watch. You didn't seem to have this penchant for war details during the previous administration. Trump hasn't even received the prize, unlike the preemptive Nobel Peace Prize, aWARded to our record setting Obama. Always wanted to do that. ^ Quote; U.S. military forces have been at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that distinction. He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/I didn't vote for Obama in 2012 due to his use of our military assets.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 30, 2020 20:12:45 GMT -5
He was richly deserving as a soldier for Iran. Do you know the details of why he was killed ? Which ones? link
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 1, 2020 9:57:46 GMT -5
This stood out for me from your link. Quote; The chairman added, “To suggest that 18 years later this authorization could justify killing an Iranian official stretches the law far beyond anything Congress ever intended. I was pleased to join many of my colleagues in voting to repeal the outdated Iraq war authorization, and I hope the Senate will follow suit.” www.cnbc.com/2020/02/14/trump-administration-issues-report-on-soleimani-killing.html Knowing war authorization for what it is, there was no sunset date on this one. The fact that they voted to repeal this authorization, means they knew this. The intent argument is correct, they may not of intended at that date, but that has no legal standing with the authorization at the time of the drone attack. Trump was obviously filled in on this detail before ordering the strike. It effectively eliminated any argument about executive over reach as commander and chief. I personally know through old wardog contacts who and what Soleimani was, I'm about 50/50 whether just killing him outright was the right thing to do from the potential saving of lives viewpoint. Do you save lives killing him outright at any opportunity, or wait to catch him red handed ? I brought the assassination up here in the context of the Noble Peace Prize. I think any US President receiving it is problematical. As far as the assassination itself, I have an issue with killing a serving general of another nation. If one is engaged in activities that "justify" it, it needs to be determined if he is acting rogue or in his official capacity. If rogue, we need to convince his country to turn him over to us. If they refuse or we see it as official behavior, we need to declare war and attack from that status.
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Post by mary2029 on Oct 1, 2020 11:38:18 GMT -5
I brought the assassination up here in the context of the Noble Peace Prize. I think any US President receiving it is problematical.As far as the assassination itself, I have an issue with killing a serving general of another nation. If one is engaged in activities that "justify" it, it needs to be determined if he is acting rogue or in his official capacity. If rogue, we need to convince his country to turn him over to us. If they refuse or we see it as official behavior, we need to declare war and attack from that status. Agreed. (bolded) My point of this thread, he's receiving nominations for less war ? He's still authorizing attacks, though not recently.Following Obama's award before an achievement ? To my view, the Nobel committee has lost an extreme amount of credibility. Just as an aside, applying the cultural differences of that area, the hysteria of that attack in the media was mostly geared to a select audience over here for political leverage. Another example of 'Commander in chief' activity Quote; In retaliation for an Iraqi plot to assassinate former U.S. President George H.W. Bush during his April visit to Kuwait, President Bill Clinton orders U.S. warships to fire Tomahawk cruise missiles at Iraqi intelligence headquarters in downtown Baghdad. On April 13, 1993, the day before George Bush was scheduled to visit Kuwait and be honored for his victory in the Persian Gulf War, Kuwaiti authorities foiled a car-bomb plot to assassinate him. Fourteen suspects, most of them Iraqi nationals, were arrested, and the next day their massive car bomb was discovered in Kuwait City. Citing “compelling evidence” of the direct involvement of Iraqi intelligence in the assassination attempt, President Clinton ordered a retaliatory attack against their alleged headquarters in the Iraqi capital on June 26. Twenty-three Tomahawk missiles, each costing more than a million dollars, were fired off the USS Peterson in the Red Sea and the cruiser USS Chancellorsville in the Persian Gulf, destroying the building and, according to Iraqi accounts, killing several civilians. www.history.com/this-day-in-history/clinton-punishes-iraq-for-plot-to-kill-bushReally? Oh... you meant that he is not authorizing attacks on non-Americans. I wonder if on October 9th when he is going to tweet how he was "robbed" of the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize, even though he was nominated for the 2021 award.
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Post by mary2029 on Oct 1, 2020 12:14:29 GMT -5
Really? Oh... you meant that he is not authorizing attacks on non-Americans. I wonder if on October 9th when he is going to tweet how he was "robbed" of the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize, even though he was nominated for the 2021 award. There hasn't been any changes in military action. I wonder about things also, usually not about what people might tweet. Federal law enforcement forces and/or tactical teams have been deployed to: Portland, Seattle, Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, Denver, Miami, Detroit, Port Huron, St. Louis, Buffalo, New York City, Dallas, El Paso, Houston, Pearland and Tacoma. link
In D.C., he/Barr had peaceful protestors tear-gassed and he was stockpiling bullets. There is now a wall around the White House link. He has repeated again and again of the incompetency of generals, the post office, the CDC, the media,.... I consider that these are attacks against Americans and their institutions. He has stated that he is going to be vicious for the rest of the campaign. Yeah, very worthy candidate for the Peace Prize.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 1, 2020 12:21:03 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 1, 2020 15:52:00 GMT -5
From a psych forum; When talking about apex predators, peace as a natural state is an illusion. It can only be achieved by strength. Anything else is naive. Control is not peace.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 1, 2020 16:11:24 GMT -5
Of course not, control is control, however, you can be at peace while under control. We can be at peace in this country, but we still have laws to follow, that's the control. One chooses to follow laws, they are not controlled by them.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 1, 2020 16:25:32 GMT -5
Generally when one thinks a law doesn't apply to them they do the behavior which is against that law, thus the law didn't control them.
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Post by flan327 on Oct 1, 2020 21:26:29 GMT -5
From a psych forum; When talking about apex predators, peace as a natural state is an illusion. It can only be achieved by strength. Anything else is naive. Too much testosterone
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Post by flan327 on Oct 1, 2020 21:28:09 GMT -5
Really? Oh... you meant that he is not authorizing attacks on non-Americans. I wonder if on October 9th when he is going to tweet how he was "robbed" of the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize, even though he was nominated for the 2021 award. There hasn't been any changes in military action. I wonder about things also, usually not about what people might tweet. But that's the main way our POTUS communicates 🤷♀️
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2020 1:15:36 GMT -5
i break arbitrary and capricious laws constantly.
in the long run, it has worked out well for me. many of those laws went away.
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Post by flan327 on Oct 2, 2020 7:08:38 GMT -5
Women have testosterone as well as men...
(NEWSFLASH)
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Post by flan327 on Oct 2, 2020 7:14:14 GMT -5
The levels of the hormone in males are usually 7 to 8 times higher than in women
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 2, 2020 12:34:22 GMT -5
He was richly deserving as a soldier for Iran. Do you know the details of why he was killed ? So, I guess you'd be fine with Iran killing Gen. Mark Milley with an airstrike? After all, he is a soldier for the USA. Give Iran the Nobel Peace Prize!
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Post by flan327 on Oct 2, 2020 20:31:11 GMT -5
LEAVE ME ALONE
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Post by flan327 on Oct 2, 2020 20:31:41 GMT -5
I'm more familiar with the ANONYMOUS INTERNET BULLY
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2020 7:29:38 GMT -5
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