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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 15:52:16 GMT -5
After reading several articles on areas with high dengue recovery, slow spread of Covid-19, this paper came to light. Not peer reviewed. Quote; Abstract Five of thirteen Dengue antibody- positive serum samples, dated 2017 (pre-dating the COVID-19 outbreak) produced false-positive results in SARS-CoV-2 IgG/IgM rapid strip tests. Our results emphasize the importance of NAT and/or virus antigen tests to complement sero-surveillance for definitive diagnosis of COVID-19/Dengue in regions where both viruses are co-endemic. www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.03.20145797v1
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 22, 2020 16:32:08 GMT -5
Can you translate into regular people speak?
Is it a suggestion of maybe false positives?
I totally believe Covid is a real thing, i wear my mask everywhere. I stay home and wash my hands, etc. However, I am having trouble feeling confident in the testing. I know so many sick people who tested negative and so many people with absolutely zero symptoms test positive. And so many people who have conflicting tests in a short period of time. I just can't sit here and say that I believe our testing is that great. Not blaming anyone - just noting.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 22, 2020 17:28:07 GMT -5
Dengue - A mosquito-borne viral disease occurring in tropical and subtropical areas. 2019 Dengue cases in the US US States
1,203 dengue cases reported Of these 1,203 cases, 1,183 were travel related, 20 local.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 22, 2020 17:31:15 GMT -5
People who had dengue fever will have a false positive antibody rest due to cross reactivity with the coronavirus antibody test. So the best way to confirm infection would require both a positive antigen(pcr) test to go along with an antibody test. There is speculation that people who were infected with dengue may have some protection against coronavirus.quite a stretch in my opinion
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 22, 2020 17:40:28 GMT -5
I'd feel better about the content if it was peer reviewed, honestly.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2020 18:58:32 GMT -5
why are we concerning ourselves with an exposure that has about 1/7000th that of COVID19?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 22, 2020 19:30:04 GMT -5
why are we concerning ourselves with an exposure that has about 1/7000th that of COVID19? Because hickory nuts and acorns are starting to ripen?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:16:00 GMT -5
Can you translate into regular people speak? Is it a suggestion of maybe false positives? I totally believe Covid is a real thing, i wear my mask everywhere. I stay home and wash my hands, etc. However, I am having trouble feeling confident in the testing. I know so many sick people who tested negative and so many people with absolutely zero symptoms test positive. And so many people who have conflicting tests in a short period of time. I just can't sit here and say that I believe our testing is that great. Not blaming anyone - just noting. A suggestion of possible, to a vaccine due to similarity. The dengue vaccine is viable, less risky when used for reinfections of same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:17:37 GMT -5
I'd feel better about the content if it was peer reviewed, honestly. So would I, but this is where ideas start.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:18:33 GMT -5
Dengue - A mosquito-borne viral disease occurring in tropical and subtropical areas. 2019 Dengue cases in the US US States
1,203 dengue cases reported Of these 1,203 cases, 1,183 were travel related, 20 local. Not about case numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:20:46 GMT -5
People who had dengue fever will have a false positive antibody rest due to cross reactivity with the coronavirus antibody test. So the best way to confirm infection would require both a positive antigen(pcr) test to go along with an antibody test. There is speculation that people who were infected with dengue may have some protection against coronavirus.quite a stretch in my opinion A given we all have opinions. Even when you state the obvious on testing. A previous post of yours claimed Trump was stopping Covid-19 research, so pardon my skepticism on what 'stretches' you opine.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:27:02 GMT -5
why are we concerning ourselves with an exposure that has about 1/7000th that of COVID19? Good question. Why are you concerned with exposure numbers on this ? Dengue exposure is close to a statistical zero in the U.S.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 23, 2020 9:56:22 GMT -5
I'd feel better about the content if it was peer reviewed, honestly. So would I, but this is where ideas start. not published, it isn't. have your report, circulate your report, get the peer reviews *before* you publish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:56:51 GMT -5
why are we concerning ourselves with an exposure that has about 1/7000th that of COVID19? Because hickory nuts and acorns are starting to ripen? Cute.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 10:04:08 GMT -5
So would I, but this is where ideas start. not published, it isn't. have your report, circulate your report, get the peer reviews *before* you publish. Looks like you won't be reading anything from medrxriv. I search all over for speculation on Covid research. This is simply an effort toward Covid mitigation in India. Quote; The details of the IRB/oversight body that provided approval or exemption for the research described are given below: Ethical approval for the research was granted by the respective Institutional Ethical Committee of CSIR-IICB and Calcutta National Medical College, Kolkata. All necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived. www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.03.20145797v1
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 23, 2020 10:19:52 GMT -5
not published, it isn't. have your report, circulate your report, get the peer reviews *before* you publish. Looks like you won't be reading anything from medrxriv. I search all over for speculation on Covid research. This is simply an effort toward Covid mitigation in India.Quote; The details of the IRB/oversight body that provided approval or exemption for the research described are given below: Ethical approval for the research was granted by the respective Institutional Ethical Committee of CSIR-IICB and Calcutta National Medical College, Kolkata. All necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived. www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.03.20145797v1 on bolded. And the number of US dengue cases reported shows how significant it might be in this country.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 23, 2020 10:23:48 GMT -5
People who had dengue fever will have a false positive antibody rest due to cross reactivity with the coronavirus antibody test. So the best way to confirm infection would require both a positive antigen(pcr) test to go along with an antibody test. There is speculation that people who were infected with dengue may have some protection against coronavirus.quite a stretch in my opinion A given we all have opinions. Even when you state the obvious on testing. A previous post of yours claimed Trump was stopping Covid-19 research, so pardon my skepticism on what 'stretches' you opine. Your right,like I know nothing about medicine. You clearly are some much smarter than me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 11:33:41 GMT -5
A given we all have opinions. Even when you state the obvious on testing. A previous post of yours claimed Trump was stopping Covid-19 research, so pardon my skepticism on what 'stretches' you opine. Your right,like I know nothing about medicine. You clearly are some much smarter than me. Didn't think you would come up with a anything more than sarcastic nonsense. Note your use of the terms 'medicine' and 'smarter'. The most subjective/general descriptors possible, lame from any viewpoint. So do you any viable information on how Trump is stopping Covid-19 research, as you claimed ? The PHD in Physics and Psych, looks forward to the answer from the Board Certified Pulmonologist, with national connections. Once that happens, your credibility might be repaired somewhat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 11:38:51 GMT -5
Looks like you won't be reading anything from medrxriv. I search all over for speculation on Covid research. This is simply an effort toward Covid mitigation in India.Quote; The details of the IRB/oversight body that provided approval or exemption for the research described are given below: Ethical approval for the research was granted by the respective Institutional Ethical Committee of CSIR-IICB and Calcutta National Medical College, Kolkata. All necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived. www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.03.20145797v1 on bolded. And the number of US dengue cases reported shows how significant it might be in this country. You are answering your own projection of why I created this thread. (reply#2) Good job !
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 23, 2020 11:46:37 GMT -5
on bolded. And the number of US dengue cases reported shows how significant it might be in this country. You are answering your own projection of why I created this thread. Good job ! Hmmm. And with this I thought I was analyzing the significance of the study cited in the OP. My "cute" post was addressing your why.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 11:49:46 GMT -5
You are answering your own projection of why I created this thread. Good job ! Hmmm. And with this I thought I was analyzing the significance of the study cited in the OP. My "cute" post was addressing your why. You're assuming the study was significant. OK, thank you, now i get the basis of your posts. I don't think it's significant, just a possible source of research.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 23, 2020 12:04:06 GMT -5
Hmmm. And with this I thought I was analyzing the significance of the study cited in the OP. My "cute" post was addressing your why. You're assuming the study was significant. OK, thank you, now i get the basis of your posts. I don't think it's significant, just a possible source of research. I didn't assume the study was significant. I did research to look for significance and shared what I found.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 23, 2020 12:11:18 GMT -5
Your right,like I know nothing about medicine. You clearly are some much smarter than me. Didn't think you would come up with a anything more than sarcastic nonsense. Note your use of the terms 'medicine' and 'smarter'. The most subjective/general descriptors possible, lame from any viewpoint. So do you any viable information on how Trump is stopping Covid-19 research, as you claimed ? The PHD in Physics and Psych, looks forward to the answer from the Board Certified Pulmonologist, with national connections. Once that happens, your credibility might be repaired somewhat. That qualifies you to critique medical studies. I really do not care what you think of my credibility. I have my own thoughts on you, but I will be kind and not share them
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 23, 2020 12:22:58 GMT -5
I'd feel better about the content if it was peer reviewed, honestly. So would I, but this is where ideas start. Any peer reviewed paper we ever submitted had at least a dozen sets of professional eyes looking at before it ever went to peer review. Look at it this way.....some colds are corona viruses. Just because the person had dengue in the past doesn’t mean that they also didn’t have a recent coronavirus cold too. So which one is more logical for possibly causing a positive (false) antibody trust? However, we don’t know this information.
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Didn't think you would come up with a anything more than sarcastic nonsense. Note your use of the terms 'medicine' and 'smarter'. The most subjective/general descriptors possible, lame from any viewpoint. So do you any viable information on how Trump is stopping Covid-19 research, as you claimed ? The PHD in Physics and Psych, looks forward to the answer from the Board Certified Pulmonologist, with national connections. Once that happens, your credibility might be repaired somewhat. That qualifies you to critique medical studies. I really do not care what you think of my credibility. I have my own thoughts on you, but I will be kind and not share them More simple deflection. This post of mine you are answering wasn't about medical studies. However it does have a long continuing question for the much smarter Board Certified Pulmonologist, with national connections, in regards to Covid-19 research. I will leave my credentials on the sidelines, since you claim they don't relate. I will be kind and still politely ask if you will back up your claim. (bolded) Answer ? I'm familiar with past your kindness in regards to not share your thoughts on me, I believe it included about fifty or so uses of the word 'you' in just a few posts. Along with many descriptive adjectives. I highlighted the many uses of 'you' at the time, for a 'memory trigger', I was quite confident at the time I would use that trigger in the future. Being in a different background of education, I'm quite qualified and familiar with the tie in between perfidy and ego.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 13:58:51 GMT -5
So would I, but this is where ideas start. Any peer reviewed paper we ever submitted had at least a dozen sets of professional eyes looking at before it ever went to peer review. Look at it this way.....some colds are corona viruses. Just because the person had dengue in the past doesn’t mean that they also didn’t have a recent coronavirus cold too. So which one is more logical for possibly causing a positive (false) antibody trust? However, we don’t know this information. As far as i can tell, that's what Medxriv is for.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 23, 2020 14:28:42 GMT -5
Any peer reviewed paper we ever submitted had at least a dozen sets of professional eyes looking at before it ever went to peer review. Look at it this way.....some colds are corona viruses. Just because the person had dengue in the past doesn’t mean that they also didn’t have a recent coronavirus cold too. So which one is more logical for possibly causing a positive (false) antibody trust? However, we don’t know this information. As far as i can tell, that's what Medxriv is for. However, this method does not give the authors time to go back to the lab as it as essentially already been ‘released’. The dozen sets of eyes are usually those working on it, or collaborating in other areas and are letting the authors know the holes. I poked a hole in their paper easily. I have not done any research in 8 years, nor have analyzed data or written papers for 6 years. Someone far more current than I am can easily poke more holes in it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 14:30:46 GMT -5
As far as i can tell, that's what Medxriv is for. However, this method does not give the authors time to go back to the lab as it as essentially already been ‘released’. The dozen sets of eyes are usually those working on it, or collaborating in other areas and are letting the authors know the holes. I poked a hole in their paper easily. I have not done any research in 8 years, nor have analyzed data or written papers for 6 years. Someone far more current than I am can easily poke more holes in it. Definitely easy to poke holes in that paper. I was more interested in the concept than anything. Being in and around the business of Bio-weapons for years, before I retired, a novel virus is similar.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 24, 2020 7:35:11 GMT -5
concept is better left for the unpublished space. that's how and why we have antivaxxers.
as far as the posturing, give it a rest. you sound like a schoolyard bully, poking for a fight.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 8:59:25 GMT -5
concept is better left for the unpublished space. that's how and why we have antivaxxers. as far as the posturing, give it a rest. you sound like a schoolyard bully, poking for a fight. Conceptualizing is one way progress comes about, for anything. No, it's not why we have anti-vaxxers. We have anti-vaxxers due to choice, wright or wrong depending on your pedestal, it's still due to choice.
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