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Post by tallguy on Aug 26, 2020 11:39:49 GMT -5
What is it with conservatives liberals that makes them so willing and even happy to continually broadcast their ignorance and belief in ridiculous and inane theories? I will never understand that. I have come across some thoughtful conservatives liberals on occasion, but damn, they are rare! Fixed ! You were saying about testing before allowing to vote, lol. I'm not going to watch your link, but I can guess what it contains. And I'll answer. In a perfect world people with such a simplistic view would not be voting either. The inability to pass a test is not limited to one side. But if you are even one-fifth as smart as you think you are, you know that it is far beyond a stretch to call such people liberals. Liberalism requires far more from someone than that, and the politically unaware do not qualify. Wanting free stuff "just because" pretty much guarantees that someone is NOT a true liberal. I would bet that down deep, under the many layers of bullsh** one has to dig through to get there, you really do know that, which is why you are nothing but a troll and bring nothing of value to this board.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 11:53:49 GMT -5
Fixed ! You were saying about testing before allowing to vote, lol. you know that it is far beyond a stretch to call such people liberals. If you were 1/10 as smart as you think you are, you would know it applies both ways to conservatives also. Hilarious, you bringing up trolling. Here's a little sample of the value you bring... Quote; " Can't. It's a Trump supporter. There is not enough dynamite in the world to blast a stupid idea out of their head once it's in there."ymam.proboards.com/post/3170754/thread
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Post by tallguy on Aug 26, 2020 12:08:10 GMT -5
I do know. That is why I even differentiate between "Trump voters" and "Trump supporters." And for the record, anyone posting here has abandoned the "politically unaware" mantle. Additionally, the liberals here try repeatedly to convince someone by the use of rational (and true) statements. With too many conservatives, little ever gets through. With Trump supporters, NOTHING gets through.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 12:11:04 GMT -5
I do know. That is why I even differentiate between "Trump voters" and "Trump supporters." And for the record, anyone posting here has abandoned the "politically unaware" mantle. Additionally, the liberals here try repeatedly to convince someone by the use of rational (and true) statements. With too many conservatives, little ever gets through. With Trump supporters, NOTHING gets through.If you were 1/10 as smart as you think you are, you would know absolutes in regards to behavior are an impossibility. (bolded) You're not convincing. Happy trolling there tallguy, see you at the next pile on. In regards to the unbolded part of your post Fictional movie clip, but poignant. (25 seconds)
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Post by swamp on Aug 26, 2020 13:13:12 GMT -5
What is it with conservatives liberals that makes them so willing and even happy to continually broadcast their ignorance and belief in ridiculous and inane theories? I will never understand that. I have come across some thoughtful conservatives liberals on occasion, but damn, they are rare! Fixed ! You were saying about testing before allowing to vote, lol. can you explain this to me? I don't understand the relevance to the thread. We don't know anything about her other than she's dumb enough to think Obama bought her a phone under a program started by GWB. What year was this? Obviously Obama isn't running for president and hasn't since 2012.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 10:57:48 GMT -5
Fixed ! You were saying about testing before allowing to vote, lol. can you explain this to me? I don't understand the relevance to the thread. We don't know anything about her other than she's dumb enough to think Obama bought her a phone under a program started by GWB. What year was this? Obviously Obama isn't running for president and hasn't since 2012. It was in regards to tallguys wish for testing, before allowing people to vote. You would have to read the whole thread. He started on reply #8 with that point. I will reiterate that 'testing' for voting, to 'allow' someone to vote, opens up a huge can of worms. Just in regards to who decides what the parameters of the test are, for one item. I am strongly against any such thing, regardless of what party you prefer.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 11:20:03 GMT -5
Fixed ! You were saying about testing before allowing to vote, lol. can you explain this to me? I don't understand the relevance to the thread. We don't know anything about her other than she's dumb enough to think Obama bought her a phone under a program started by GWB. What year was this? Obviously Obama isn't running for president and hasn't since 2012. He is showing the old examples of Obama voters many conservative posters here found stupid. And yes they are uninformed voters who I now think were actually encouraged to link Obama with an existing phone program. What he fails to realize is while this is an Obama voter she is unlikely to fit the classic definition of a liberal voter. She might or might not be a historical Dem party voter. There are lots of stupid people out there. And thanks to the internet it is easier than ever to be stupid, or act stupid in various areas. If you see this phone program advertised on a website promoting Obama and you never knew about it, you might link them together. It is possible in the drive to get voters Obama's campaign reached out to various segments of voters letting them know about various govt programs and his intentions to expand or modify them. IDK. I do know that I found out about "Obama phones" from conservative posters, not from other channels. And repeatedly. I prefer not to convince that way, but perhaps I need some of those Trump voters in video on a loop. My two faves were the guy who said he was going to a Trump rally to hear truth and a woman going on about how she couldn't vote for a woman because they might get emotional and start a war. I have never seen anyone but Trump to exhibit all those negative feminine qualities that some people use to justify why women should not be in positions in power. He's highly emotional and reactive, just look at his tweets. He's the definition of catty with his constant insults.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 11:25:15 GMT -5
can you explain this to me? I don't understand the relevance to the thread. We don't know anything about her other than she's dumb enough to think Obama bought her a phone under a program started by GWB. What year was this? Obviously Obama isn't running for president and hasn't since 2012. What he fails to realize... Unless you can read minds, you haven't a clue what someone realizes. (snipped for brevity) ...and a lot of nonsense posturing to boot. I was actually pointing out why testing to allow people to vote, isn't a good idea, from both sides of the aisle.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 11:25:21 GMT -5
Not exactly recent news, but it is of interest to those who follow federal judge appointments. After decades of rubber stamping liberal policy in the west, things are now changing. To the howls of protest from Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein of course. Quote; When President Trump ticks off his accomplishments since taking office, he frequently mentions his aggressive makeover of a key sector of the federal judiciary — the circuit courts of appeal, where he has appointed 51 judges to lifetime jobs in three years.
In few places has the effect been felt more powerfully than in the sprawling 9th Circuit, which covers California and eight other states. Because of Trump’s success in filling vacancies, the San Francisco-based circuit, long dominated by Democratic appointees, has suddenly shifted to the right, with an even more pronounced tilt expected in the years ahead.
Trump has now named 10 judges to the 9th Circuit — more than one-third of its active judges — compared with seven appointed by President Obama over eight years.
“Trump has effectively flipped the circuit,” said 9th Circuit Judge Milan D. Smith Jr., an appointee of President George W. Bush.www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-22/trump-conservative-judges-9th-circuitThey should be upset. Just like the Tea Party stopped being about lowering taxes and became more about a social agenda, conservatives no longer as a group stand for fiscal responsibility or smaller government. They are the identity politics they pretend the Dems are. And the identity is we are angry white people who want to hold onto our power and we will crush anyone in our path to hold onto what we believe we have. We do not care if you are white, Jew, other races, etc. but we definitely care if you aren't our type of Christian and don't believe in suppressing women and minorities in the way we are accustomed to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 11:29:22 GMT -5
Not exactly recent news, but it is of interest to those who follow federal judge appointments. After decades of rubber stamping liberal policy in the west, things are now changing. To the howls of protest from Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein of course. Quote; When President Trump ticks off his accomplishments since taking office, he frequently mentions his aggressive makeover of a key sector of the federal judiciary — the circuit courts of appeal, where he has appointed 51 judges to lifetime jobs in three years.
In few places has the effect been felt more powerfully than in the sprawling 9th Circuit, which covers California and eight other states. Because of Trump’s success in filling vacancies, the San Francisco-based circuit, long dominated by Democratic appointees, has suddenly shifted to the right, with an even more pronounced tilt expected in the years ahead.
Trump has now named 10 judges to the 9th Circuit — more than one-third of its active judges — compared with seven appointed by President Obama over eight years.
“Trump has effectively flipped the circuit,” said 9th Circuit Judge Milan D. Smith Jr., an appointee of President George W. Bush.www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-22/trump-conservative-judges-9th-circuitThey should be upset. Just like the Tea Party stopped being about lowering taxes and became more about a social agenda, conservatives no longer as a group stand for fiscal responsibility or smaller government. They are the identity politics they pretend the Dems are. And the identity is we are angry white people who want to hold onto our power and we will crush anyone in our path to hold onto what we believe we have. We do not care if you are white, Jew, other races, etc. but we definitely care if you aren't our type of Christian and don't believe in suppressing women and minorities in the way we are accustomed to.You're heavy into the stereotypes today. I hope you have the ability to realize that stereotypes aren't real, but projections designed to shore up the voting base. Goes both ways. Quote; While we might like to think that voters research the issues, review the candidates, and then vote for the candidate that best reflects their views; the reality, based on political science research, is much different. According to George Washington University Professor Danny Hayes' research paper "When Gender and Party Collide: Stereotyping in Candidate Trait Attribution," "Stereotypes are relevant in politics because citizens are willing to devote only limited time to thinking about political matters. As a result, political judgments -- whether about issues, events or candidates -- are often the result of a few salient cues. Stereotyping is the assignment of 'identical characteristics to any person in a group regardless of the actual variation among members of that group.'"townhall.com/columnists/jackiegingrichcushman/2014/08/21/political-stereotyping-n1881068
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 11:29:26 GMT -5
Actually I should amend that. Angry people who think the current system benefits them and don't like the multiplicity of views most liberals and Dems hold dear. Angry Trump people include Kanye West and mixed race woman Joy? self described as a kickass conservative.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 11:35:37 GMT -5
Actually I should amend that. Angry people who think the current system benefits them and don't like the multiplicity of views most liberals and Dems hold dear. Angry Trump people include Kanye West and mixed race woman Joy? self described as a kickass conservative. Yes and Democrats are tax raising control freaks, wanting to take away your freedom, and direct every moment of your lives. Stereotypes.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 11:47:13 GMT -5
They should be upset. Just like the Tea Party stopped being about lowering taxes and became more about a social agenda, conservatives no longer as a group stand for fiscal responsibility or smaller government. They are the identity politics they pretend the Dems are. And the identity is we are angry white people who want to hold onto our power and we will crush anyone in our path to hold onto what we believe we have. We do not care if you are white, Jew, other races, etc. but we definitely care if you aren't our type of Christian and don't believe in suppressing women and minorities in the way we are accustomed to.You're heavy into the stereotypes today. I hope you have the ability to realize that stereotypes aren't real, but projections designed to shore up the voting base. Goes both ways. 2016 through now has taught me they are more real than I previously wanted to admit. This is Trump's base. DH Hughly just wrote a book called "Surrender White People, our demands for peace". In a TV interview he called Kanye West an honorary white person. I reject that, but I do agree with his assessment that a Kanye Presidency would essentially be like a Trump Presidency. He is amoral, rich, and interested in power. Is that every Trump supporter? No. But they are supporting that whether they want to admit it or not. Some are people who believe they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and like the traditional conservative message of cutting social programs since they are more focused on the abusers of the programs than those whose lives and communities can be turned around by them. Yet they rationalize the abusers of govt programs or govt itself if they are rich. Right now its popped up again that $100.7 million from Trump's inauguration is still unaccounted for. Where are the conservative posters threads who complained about the cost of Obama golfing, that if they were consistent about their arguments would be complaining about Trump's golfing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 11:52:44 GMT -5
You're heavy into the stereotypes today. I hope you have the ability to realize that stereotypes aren't real, but projections designed to shore up the voting base. Goes both ways. 2016 through now has taught me they are more real than I previously wanted to admit... Human nature to cling to just about anything, to assuage the feelings from a shocking, big loss. Really makes a person susceptible to projection. If Trump loses, not a biggie for me, I got what I wanted.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 11:59:12 GMT -5
Actually I should amend that. Angry people who think the current system benefits them and don't like the multiplicity of views most liberals and Dems hold dear. Angry Trump people include Kanye West and mixed race woman Joy? self described as a kickass conservative. Yes and Democrats are tax raising control freaks, wanting to take away your freedom, and direct every moment of your lives. Stereotypes. Turns out Repubs love to take away certain freedoms and direct huge swaths of people's lives. Not all of them thankfully, but way too many.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 12:01:24 GMT -5
Yes and Democrats are tax raising control freaks, wanting to take away your freedom, and direct every moment of your lives. Stereotypes. Turns out Repubs Dems love to take away certain freedoms and direct huge swaths of people's lives. Not all of them thankfully, but way too many. Fixed. Stereotyping !
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 12:08:35 GMT -5
2016 through now has taught me they are more real than I previously wanted to admit... Human nature to cling to just about anything, to assuage the feelings from a shocking, big loss. Really makes a person susceptible to projection. If Trump loses, not a biggie for me, I got what I wanted. So you believe. Do you realize how often you come off as projecting? Trump winning was not a shocking big loss. Trump being President has been a daily what the hell now thing for me much like 2020 has been for most Americans. Being you, you probably do not realize that 2017 for me (and many) was just a precursor to 2020. 2017 felt like the longest year of my life and I chose to deep dive into political books among other things to understand. 2020 is corona plus Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 12:18:44 GMT -5
Human nature to cling to just about anything, to assuage the feelings from a shocking, big loss. Really makes a person susceptible to projection. If Trump loses, not a biggie for me, I got what I wanted. So you believe. Do you realize how often you come off as projecting? Trump winning was not a shocking big loss. Trump being President has been a daily what the hell now thing for me much like 2020 has been for most Americans. Being you, you probably do not realize that 2017 for me (and many) was just a precursor to 2020. 2017 felt like the longest year of my life and I chose to deep dive into political books among other things to understand. 2020 is corona plus Trump. At least you don't.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 12:20:10 GMT -5
Turns out Repubs Dems love to take away certain freedoms and direct huge swaths of people's lives. Not all of them thankfully, but way too many. Fixed. Stereotyping ! Truth or partial truth depending on how you view it. Anti-abortion - saving fetus lives. Pro-choice not forcing women to bear fetuses to term that they cannot afford or take care of. In some countries anti-abortion has directed the entire path of certain female's lives. In our country pro anti-abortionists are merely content to direct 18 years of someone else's life. Religious freedom. In the constitution it was written and meant to be freedom to worship. However because society changes, some people want to get rid of certain protections to act as they might have in the 1600s or 1700s. Don't serve gays, no religious reason needed. Now gay people have some protections so its not as easy to do what happened then. As a pubic business legally being required to sell wedding cakes to gays impacts one's life if you are against, but probably not every moment of every day for 18 years or the equivalent.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 12:36:18 GMT -5
So you believe. Do you realize how often you come off as projecting? Trump winning was not a shocking big loss. Trump being President has been a daily what the hell now thing for me much like 2020 has been for most Americans. Being you, you probably do not realize that 2017 for me (and many) was just a precursor to 2020. 2017 felt like the longest year of my life and I chose to deep dive into political books among other things to understand. 2020 is corona plus Trump. At least you don't. Is there a shocking big loss you were referencing that wasn't Trump's election?Weird bolding choices. 'daily what the hell now thing' is clearly my opinion that I see reflected in memes on this board and talking with people. Even posting "most Americans" is my belief on scope. 'You probably do not realize' is my opinion and could be wrong. That's called daily life anytime people discuss. Disagree if you want, I guess the projection thing hit a nerve?
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Post by sesfw on Aug 27, 2020 13:21:03 GMT -5
Why do you think he would WANT to be a judge? Seriously. Have you ever heard him say anything about this?
He has no need to work. He has retired from the presidency and has a nice pension, that is supplemented with speaking fees, WHEN HE WANTS TO WORK. Why do you think that he would want to take a job that would take up all his retirement time, and pay him less than he is currently making? For what purpose?
This makes absolutely NO sense. You can’t pretzel it to make sense in anything but your own brain as it is totally illogical.
EGO ........... doesn't matter which one
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Post by dondub on Aug 27, 2020 13:37:31 GMT -5
Why do you think he would WANT to be a judge? Seriously. Have you ever heard him say anything about this? He has no need to work. He has retired from the presidency and has a nice pension, that is supplemented with speaking fees, WHEN HE WANTS TO WORK. Why do you think that he would want to take a job that would take up all his retirement time, and pay him less than he is currently making? For what purpose? This makes absolutely NO sense. You can’t pretzel it to make sense in anything but your own brain as it is totally illogical.EGO ........... doesn't matter which one Idiotic...doesn’t matter that it’s you.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 13:51:43 GMT -5
Why do you think he would WANT to be a judge? Seriously. Have you ever heard him say anything about this? He has no need to work. He has retired from the presidency and has a nice pension, that is supplemented with speaking fees, WHEN HE WANTS TO WORK. Why do you think that he would want to take a job that would take up all his retirement time, and pay him less than he is currently making? For what purpose? This makes absolutely NO sense. You can’t pretzel it to make sense in anything but your own brain as it is totally illogical.EGO ........... doesn't matter which one Why would ego drive them to want to be a supreme court justice? Trump has a huge ego, should we be preparing for Pence or Ivanka to appoint him to the Supreme Court sometime in the future? Unless you are a judge looking for the ultimate job, I'm not sure what ego gratification most former Presidents would get. Just in the basics the jobs are almost opposite. As President you have a 4 or 8 year commitment of a very public life running the country. A Supreme Court justice is generally a lifetime appointment where most of your work is not publicly seen. Had Chris Christie not been forced out by Jared there were only two jobs he wanted. One was Attorney General. I don't remember the other, but it was not Supreme Court justice.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2020 14:24:29 GMT -5
the ravaging of our judicial system is removing the last pillar from civil defense.
if Trump wins in 2020, it might be irreparably broken.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2020 14:41:35 GMT -5
the ravaging of our judicial system is removing the last pillar from civil defense. if Trump wins in 2020, it might be irreparably broken. I wonder if that's part of the reason Jared pushed out Chris Christie and Trump let him. Trump really isn't law and order except in the most narrow of senses, i.e. violent crime. Trump prefers very little law except for the parts that allow him to sue people and protect his stuff. He seems to be pretty pro getting rid of the rest of it, because he sees it as an impediment.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2020 22:17:59 GMT -5
What is it with conservatives liberals that makes them so willing and even happy to continually broadcast their ignorance and belief in ridiculous and inane theories? I will never understand that. I have come across some thoughtful conservatives liberals on occasion, but damn, they are rare! Fixed ! You were saying about testing before allowing to vote, lol.
that is a better example of an Obama voter. -midcrop-
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Post by Opti on Aug 29, 2020 9:31:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't believe the bolded either. Feel free to look back at some of sesfw's posts. She has repeated that claim several times. He's free to be wrong about that as I know several conservative posters were convinced of the truth of it. Some don't post here anymore like the woman from Florida whose husband died. It could have come from RW campaign ads, RW FB click bait or any number of places. Since these posters did not make up this theory themselves they had to have seen it, heard it, or read it somewhere. Anyone remember the image that was allegedly Hillary being led away in handcuffs by the FBI? I do. Turns out one of the people responsible for that FB click bait image was the war vet using We Build The Wall funds for himself. www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/veteran-trump-wall-brian-kolfage-immigration-facebookFor all the complaining about fake news, the reality is most of it originates in RW money mills, not mainstream media although they have their issues too, but hopefully not spending most of their time photoshopping people's faces on other bodies for clicks or views. In RL, it was an Iowa voter who suggested to Hillary Obama should be a supreme court justice in Jan 2016. If you look at this article from then, Obama was not interested even then. www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/barack-obama-supreme-court-scotus-hillary-clinton/index.html"When I got out of law school, I chose not to clerk," he said. "Partly because I was an older student, but partly because I don't think I have the temperament to sit in a chamber and write opinions."
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 29, 2020 15:37:44 GMT -5
the ravaging of our judicial system is removing the last pillar from civil defense. if Trump wins in 2020, it might be irreparably broken. I wonder if that's part of the reason Jared pushed out Chris Christie and Trump let him. Trump really isn't law and order except in the most narrow of senses, i.e. violent crime. Trump prefers very little law except for the parts that allow him to sue people and protect his stuff. He seems to be pretty pro getting rid of the rest of it, because he sees it as an impediment. potm/\
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 10:45:29 GMT -5
At least you don't. Is there a shocking big loss you were referencing that wasn't Trump's election?Disagree if you want, I guess the projection thing hit a nerve? Not at all, like the pot calling the kettle black. Just laughing a bit how you joined in the conversation between Swamp and me by trying to answer a question that she asked of me, when she quoted me. (Reply #66) Oblique referencing at a somewhat lame level, especially since I answered it before you posted. I see your current posts as space filler. You could've not liked the 9th circuit post. Like it or not, it's Trump fulfilling a campaign promise. Kudos to President Trump, as people voted for him for that reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 10:47:12 GMT -5
Fixed ! You were saying about testing before allowing to vote, lol.
that is a better example of an Obama voter. -midcrop-
Of course ! My reason for posting the silly video, was in context with my conversation with tallguy, in regards to his wish for testing before being allowed to vote. (Reply #8) I can't reiterate too many times, how I'm against that idea.
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