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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 17, 2020 20:21:33 GMT -5
I think it is classic Donald Trump behavior of running to get in front of a crowd that is already moving in a direction. I do not think it is appropriate for the President of the United States to feed the flames of a claim that a qualified candidate for Vice President is not qualified. I don't think it's appropriate that people think that the presidents behavior is a requisite of media manipulation. He's not required to investigate anything that the media advances. 'Leadership' as you were asking about in this case, would be him ignoring that leading question, and not giving it any attention. As in 'I don't know anything about it, which he said. Our previous president was cowed by the media, most had gotten used to that. Those days are over for now. He is lying when he says he doesn't know anything about it. He knows it's a lie. His campaign team would have investigated Kamala's qualifications thoroughly. You know he is lying and I know you are lying here to back him up.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2020 10:26:55 GMT -5
I think it is classic Donald Trump behavior of running to get in front of a crowd that is already moving in a direction. I do not think it is appropriate for the President of the United States to feed the flames of a claim that a qualified candidate for Vice President is not qualified. I don't think it's appropriate that people think that the presidents behavior is a requisite of media manipulation. He's not required to investigate anything that the media advances. 'Leadership' as you were asking about in this case, would be him ignoring that leading question, and not giving it any attention. As in 'I don't know anything about it, which he said. Our previous president was cowed by the media, most had gotten used to that. Those days are over for now. 1) red herring. nobody said it was his job to "investigate" media speculations. in fact, it is not his job to even SPEAK on them. his choice to speak is bad for the office of the presidency, imo. 2) he didn't JUST say "I don't know anything about it". if he had, I would be praising him for his constraint. he also said THIS: "I would have assumed that the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice president." that implies that Democrats did NOT vet her, which also implies that she is not qualified. 3) our previous president would never have done such a thing. you have to know that. and that is a GOOD thing. if that is truly "over" we should mourn that loss. it is bad politics, and weakens the presidency.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 11:39:20 GMT -5
Didn't he also say that the guy who wrote the legal analysis of her ineligibility was a well respected, great legal mind? Bill's got this in #58
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 11:43:47 GMT -5
You tell me. Is it in the presidents job description to debunk conspiracy theories put forth by the general public ? Or does he have other things to do ? Yes, it is the job of all leaders to keep their constituency informed with the truth. It's a sign of how low you have gone that I actually have to type those words. Are you saying that every nut bag conspiracy needs to be investigated by the president, when presented by the media in the form of a question ? I've just gone lower than you in having to type this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 11:48:17 GMT -5
I don't think it's appropriate that people think that the presidents behavior is a requisite of media manipulation. He's not required to investigate anything that the media advances. 'Leadership' as you were asking about in this case, would be him ignoring that leading question, and not giving it any attention. As in 'I don't know anything about it, which he said. Our previous president was cowed by the media, most had gotten used to that. Those days are over for now. He is lying when he says he doesn't know anything about it. He knows it's a lie. His campaign team would have investigated Kamala's qualifications thoroughly. You know he is lying and I know you are lying here to back him up. And how would you 'know' this (bolded) along with the other 'knowings' in this post ? Maybe you have some special capability's ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 11:51:33 GMT -5
I don't think it's appropriate that people think that the presidents behavior is a requisite of media manipulation. He's not required to investigate anything that the media advances. 'Leadership' as you were asking about in this case, would be him ignoring that leading question, and not giving it any attention. As in 'I don't know anything about it, which he said. Our previous president was cowed by the media, most had gotten used to that. Those days are over for now. 1) red herring. nobody said it was his job to "investigate" media speculations. in fact, it is not his job to even SPEAK on them. his choice to speak is bad for the office of the presidency, imo. 2) he didn't JUST say "I don't know anything about it". if he had, I would be praising him for his constraint. he also said THIS: "I would have assumed that the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice president." that implies that Democrats did NOT vet her, which also implies that she is not qualified. 3) our previous president would never have done such a thing. you have to know that. and that is a GOOD thing. if that is truly "over" we should mourn that loss. it is bad politics, and weakens the presidency.
Red herring, nobody said he did say 'only' that. I agree he's wasting his time speaking to the media. Unlike Billis', I was choosing what I liked from the article, without combining two lines from different parts. You might want to note that this discussion comes from a Fox News link and not one slam of 'faux news' from anyone, when it fits the narrative. Reply #31 (I've been here too long)
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2020 12:05:55 GMT -5
Yes, it is the job of all leaders to keep their constituency informed with the truth. It's a sign of how low you have gone that I actually have to type those words. Are you saying that every nut bag conspiracy needs to be investigated by the president, when presented by the media in the form of a question ? I've just gone lower than you in having to type this. No, not investigated. There are many that a quick "That is just absurd. Next?" is all that would be necessary if he were asked. But when a claim is made in an opinion piece published by a major news magazine concerning the question of eligibility of a recently announced major party Vice-presidential candidate and he does not know if it is a valid claim, yes he should invest the time to be able to give a clear, definite answer to where he stands on the claim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 12:09:06 GMT -5
Are you saying that every nut bag conspiracy needs to be investigated by the president, when presented by the media in the form of a question ? I've just gone lower than you in having to type this. ...a claim is made in an opinion piece... (snipped) It's the presidents job to investigate conspiracy theories from opinion pieces ?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2020 12:31:28 GMT -5
...a claim is made in an opinion piece... (snipped) It's the presidents job to investigate conspiracy theories from opinion pieces ? One published in a major national (edited in) newsmagazine claiming that the just named Vice-presidential candidate for a major political party is not eligible for the position? Yes.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 19, 2020 16:08:22 GMT -5
Yes, it is the job of all leaders to keep their constituency informed with the truth. It's a sign of how low you have gone that I actually have to type those words. Are you saying that every nut bag conspiracy needs to be investigated by the president, when presented by the media in the form of a question ? I've just gone lower than you in having to type this. I'm saying it's the job of any leader to speak the truth when they know it. And in this case he knows it. I'm also saying it's the job of any good leader not to be the one spreading the nut job conspiracy theories. But we established a long time ago that he is not a good leader. ETA - you've always been lower than me.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 19, 2020 16:11:36 GMT -5
He is lying when he says he doesn't know anything about it. He knows it's a lie. His campaign team would have investigated Kamala's qualifications thoroughly. You know he is lying and I know you are lying here to back him up. And how would you 'know' this (bolded) along with the other 'knowings' in this post ? Maybe you have some special capability's ? Everybody knows it. We just marvel at the shamelessness of you guys doing it when you know we know you're lying.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 19, 2020 16:33:21 GMT -5
...a claim is made in an opinion piece... (snipped) It's the presidents job to investigate conspiracy theories from opinion pieces ? He does not have to investigate them. Three viable options: He can ignore them. He can not spread them. He could have a staff member investigate them. But spreading them without investigating them by saying them on national television is irresponsible.
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Post by Opti on Aug 19, 2020 18:57:24 GMT -5
I think it is classic Donald Trump behavior of running to get in front of a crowd that is already moving in a direction. I do not think it is appropriate for the President of the United States to feed the flames of a claim that a qualified candidate for Vice President is not qualified. I don't think it's appropriate that people think that the presidents behavior is a requisite of media manipulation. He's not required to investigate anything that the media advances. 'Leadership' as you were asking about in this case, would be him ignoring that leading question, and not giving it any attention. As in 'I don't know anything about it, which he said. Our previous president was cowed by the media, most had gotten used to that. Those days are over for now. I don't know that cowed is the right word but Trump is no master of the media. He has walked or run away multiple times in order not to answer reporter questions. Story-telling, slander, and name calling are not what one does if you are comfortable with something and in control. A President's behavior should be under his control at all times. It should not matter what questions he is asked whether it is by reporters, taxpayers, or even his wife. Blaming others for his own actions is what an immature not under control person does.
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Post by dondub on Aug 19, 2020 19:11:50 GMT -5
Interesting that a will say Obama was cowed by the media when the book on him was that he was a MSM darling.
BTW... he was not cowed by the media.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2020 22:07:52 GMT -5
1) red herring. nobody said it was his job to "investigate" media speculations. in fact, it is not his job to even SPEAK on them. his choice to speak is bad for the office of the presidency, imo. 2) he didn't JUST say "I don't know anything about it". if he had, I would be praising him for his constraint. he also said THIS: "I would have assumed that the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice president." that implies that Democrats did NOT vet her, which also implies that she is not qualified. 3) our previous president would never have done such a thing. you have to know that. and that is a GOOD thing. if that is truly "over" we should mourn that loss. it is bad politics, and weakens the presidency.
Red herring, nobody said he did say 'only' that. sorry, but everyone defending Trump ONLY points that ONE PART of what he said out. that is dishonest, and I got tired of it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 20, 2020 15:50:43 GMT -5
Interesting that a will say Obama was cowed by the media when the book on him was that he was a MSM darling. BTW... he was not cowed by the media. We've apparently reached the point in society where anything besides being a rude crude bigoted conspiracy pushing loud mouth is seen as weakness.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 20, 2020 18:20:24 GMT -5
CNN's Anderson Cooper often has a particular Republican/trump supporter on his discussion panels including the last three nights and tonight's final Democratic party convention.
Last night this guy said it was totally inappropriate for Obama to say negative things about trump. Presidents just don't discuss how the president who replaced them are doing according to this guy.
Well current presidents don't normally trash the previous president either. trump has been trashing Obama pretty much throughout his own term to date.
So too f'n bad Republican whiner on Anderson Cooper's panels. trump deserved it. Has deserved it for quite a while. Kudos to Obama for keeping silent so long.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 20, 2020 19:39:04 GMT -5
CNN's Anderson Cooper often has a particular Republican/trump supporter on his discussion panels including the last three nights and tonight's final Democratic party convention. Last night this guy said it was totally inappropriate for Obama to say negative things about trump. Presidents just don't discuss how the president who replaced them are doing according to this guy. Well current presidents don't normally trash the previous president either. trump has been trashing Obama pretty much throughout his own term to date. So too f'n bad Republican whiner on Anderson Cooper's panels. trump deserved it. Has deserved it for quite a while. Kudos to Obama for keeping silent so long. Okay-the Republican guy I mentioned above (and he's on Cooper's show now) is Scott Jennings. He's a Republican strategist and corporate PR advisor.
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2020 19:45:39 GMT -5
Interesting that a will say Obama was cowed by the media when the book on him was that he was a MSM darling. BTW... he was not cowed by the media. We've apparently reached the point in society where anything besides being a rude crude bigoted conspiracy pushing loud mouth is seen as weakness. Disagree, but we have found out that some of the population views him as strong. I wonder if some people with the conservative mindset do not know how to get to that place where you are in control of yourself and know how and when to use power. It feels to me that these people might only have two poles in their responses. Weak is being upset but not doing anything about it. The other is "strong", still feeling weak but acting like an entitled asshole on the outside. I really hope that is not true, but it would explain so much as to why some felt Obama was weak and yet see Trump as strong. I can only see him as a scared bully who spends so much time defending himself and puffing up he has no time to do anything useful.
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Are you saying that every nut bag conspiracy needs to be investigated by the president, when presented by the media in the form of a question ? I've just gone lower than you in having to type this. I'm saying it's the job of any leader to speak the truth when they know it. And in this case he knows it. I'm also saying it's the job of any good leader not to be the one spreading the nut job conspiracy theories. But we established a long time ago that he is not a good leader. ETA - you've always been lower than me. [img src="https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/smile.gif" class="smile" alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png"] ETA - when I see you I'm always looking down...way down. If just for the bolded. Reminds me of a recent saying, 'The country is out of control'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 11:57:36 GMT -5
(snipped) It's the presidents job to investigate conspiracy theories from opinion pieces ? ...claiming... It's the presidents job to investigate conspiracy theories from opinion claiming pieces ? (I'm patient you'll get there)
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(snipped) It's the presidents job to investigate conspiracy theories from opinion pieces ? He does not have to investigate them. Three viable options: He can ignore them. He can not spread them. He could have a staff member investigate them. But spreading them without investigating them by saying them on national television is irresponsible. Yes it would be. I didn't see the interview. Was he asked about it ?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 21, 2020 12:11:27 GMT -5
It's the presidents job to investigate conspiracy theories from opinion claiming pieces ? (I'm patient you'll get there) When a claim is made in an opinion piece published by a major news magazine concerning the question of eligibility of a recently announced major party Vice-presidential candidate and he does not know if it is a valid claim, yes he should invest the time to be able to give a clear, definite answer to where he stands on the claim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 12:23:17 GMT -5
I don't think it's appropriate that people think that the presidents behavior is a requisite of media manipulation. He's not required to investigate anything that the media advances. 'Leadership' as you were asking about in this case, would be him ignoring that leading question, and not giving it any attention. As in 'I don't know anything about it, which he said. Our previous president was cowed by the media, most had gotten used to that. Those days are over for now. I don't know that cowed is the right word but Trump is no master of the media. He has walked or run away multiple times in order not to answer reporter questions. Story-telling, slander, and name calling are not what one does if you are comfortable with something and in control. A President's behavior should be under his control at all times. It should not matter what questions he is asked whether it is by reporters, taxpayers, or even his wife. Blaming others for his own actions is what an immature not under control person does. I agree, somewhat. Some presidents put great importance on the media, and what they can say/manipulate in regards to the public. (Clinton, Obama) Some do not. (Trump, Bush II) I tend to lean more in the direction of they are less important, if only because the management of large media outlets, seem to be able to spin the reports through omission, without having to answer for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 12:27:28 GMT -5
Red herring, nobody said he did say 'only' that. sorry, but everyone defending Trump ONLY points that ONE PART of what he said out. that is dishonest, and I got tired of it.
I see it here all the time. You are mistaken if you think I'm defending Trump.
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It's the presidents job to investigate conspiracy theories from opinion claiming pieces ? (I'm patient you'll get there) When a claim is made in an opinion piece published by a major news magazine concerning the question of eligibility of a recently announced major party Vice-presidential candidate and he does not know if it is a valid claim, yes he should invest the time to be able to give a clear, definite answer to where he stands on the claim. Are you saying that every nut bag conspiracy needs to be investigated by the president, when presented by the media in the form of a question ? (full circle)
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 21, 2020 12:32:06 GMT -5
When a claim is made in an opinion piece published by a major news magazine concerning the question of eligibility of a recently announced major party Vice-presidential candidate and he does not know if it is a valid claim, yes he should invest the time to be able to give a clear, definite answer to where he stands on the claim. Are you saying that every nut bag conspiracy needs to be investigated by the president, when presented by the media in the form of a question ? (full circle) No. I am not saying investigated. There are many that a quick "That is just absurd. Next?" is all that would be necessary if he were asked. But when a claim is made in an opinion piece published by a major news magazine concerning the question of eligibility of a recently announced major party Vice-presidential candidate and he does not know if it is a valid claim, yes he should invest the time to be able to give a clear, definite answer to where he stands on the claim.
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