Biden's VP pick

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 8, 2020 14:09:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I can't vote for Biden if he chooses Bass...just no way.  Way too far from my beliefs to have someone like her one heart-beat from being President.

I would hold my nose & vote for him if he chooses Rice.  She is intelligent & has ethics IMHO, but I still don't like the investment part.  

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

[andi9899]

Aug 8, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 8, 2020 14:09:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I can't vote for Biden if he chooses Bass...just no way.  Way too far from my beliefs to have someone like her one heart-beat from being President.

I would hold my nose & vote for him if he chooses Rice.  She is intelligent & has ethics IMHO, but I still don't like the investment part.  

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

I cannot like this enough. I'd vote for my dog before I voted for Trump.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 8, 2020 18:56:19 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Aug 8, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

I cannot like this enough. I'd vote for my dog before I voted for Trump.

And my dog would give more coherent speeches

[thyme4change]

Aug 8, 2020 14:09:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I can't vote for Biden if he chooses Bass...just no way.  Way too far from my beliefs to have someone like her one heart-beat from being President.

I would hold my nose & vote for him if he chooses Rice.  She is intelligent & has ethics IMHO, but I still don't like the investment part.  

What state do you live in? Are you one of the people that matter?

[Ava]

I'm fine with any of the contenders.
I'm not ok with Biden but I will hold my nose and vote for him anyway.

[kadee79]

Aug 8, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 8, 2020 14:09:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I can't vote for Biden if he chooses Bass...just no way.  Way too far from my beliefs to have someone like her one heart-beat from being President.

I would hold my nose & vote for him if he chooses Rice.  She is intelligent & has ethics IMHO, but I still don't like the investment part.  

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

You are trying to put words into my comment that are not there.  No, I do not approve of DT, never have, never will.  But that doesn't mean I have to vote for Biden either.  I can vote 3rd party or write in someone....but you know that & you are going to say that is a vote for DT...no it isn't.  

[kadee79]

Aug 8, 2020 19:26:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 8, 2020 14:09:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I can't vote for Biden if he chooses Bass...just no way.  Way too far from my beliefs to have someone like her one heart-beat from being President.

I would hold my nose & vote for him if he chooses Rice.  She is intelligent & has ethics IMHO, but I still don't like the investment part.  

What state do you live in? Are you one of the people that matter?

Each & everyone of us matter!  If you read any of the many threads I've posted you would know what state I'm in.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 8, 2020 20:11:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Aug 8, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

You are trying to put words into my comment that are not there.  No, I do not approve of DT, never have, never will.  But that doesn't mean I have to vote for Biden either.  I can vote 3rd party or write in someone....but you know that & you are going to say that is a vote for DT...no it isn't.  

Deflect all you want. This is a referendum on trump. One result is certain, trump wins, he is president. The other is theoretical, Biden is president unless he dies or is he incapacitated. Your concern may never happen, but if Biden does not win, trump is president. It is a binary choice. Unless you are in a state trump is already going to win, then vote for who you like. But don’t act like this is an equivalent choice

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 8, 2020 20:11:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Aug 8, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

You are trying to put words into my comment that are not there.  No, I do not approve of DT, never have, never will.  But that doesn't mean I have to vote for Biden either.  I can vote 3rd party or write in someone....but you know that & you are going to say that is a vote for DT...no it isn't.  

This is exactly how Trump got in in 2016.  They chose not to choose.  Your no vote, third party vote or write in isn’t going to stop this.

[Opti]

Aug 8, 2020 20:11:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Aug 8, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

You are trying to put words into my comment that are not there.  No, I do not approve of DT, never have, never will.  But that doesn't mean I have to vote for Biden either.  I can vote 3rd party or write in someone....but you know that & you are going to say that is a vote for DT...no it isn't.  

If you are voting in a state that could go to Trump, any vote that isn't for someone who could win against him is basically a vote for the status quo. Biden is not my top choice, but we need to save the country from Trump. Look what historically large non two party voting got us in 2016. Do you really want to help deliver term 2?

[pulmonarymd]

And your response is exact representation of what I posted elsewhere. Many republicans would rather be dead than vote for a democrat. Even when the stakes are as high as these. Trump just claimed he could tax based on an executive order, and McConnell supported him. If Republicans, who claim fealty to the constitution, won’t rein him in, and he is re-elected, our government, as we know it is changed forever, and not in a good way. The Republican Party will have finally accomplished what no foreign power could. And no, this is not hyperbole

[tallguy]

Aug 8, 2020 14:09:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I can't vote for Biden if he chooses Bass...just no way.  Way too far from my beliefs to have someone like her one heart-beat from being President.

I would hold my nose & vote for him if he chooses Rice.  She is intelligent & has ethics IMHO, but I still don't like the investment part.  

And how close is Trump to your beliefs, specifically because he is and would continue to be a lot closer than one heartbeat from being president.

The danger with Trump is evident.  It has been for nearly four years as president, and for an even longer time as a candidate and before that as merely a public figure.  He is an existential threat to the Constitution and to America and its system of government itself.  The ideals on which we were founded will disappear.  Republicans have well-demonstrated that they will not rein him in, and a second term will likely end America as we know it.  We will no longer be a free country.  Equality and equal treatment under the law have basically ended already with this kleptocracy of an administration.  How far will it go?  How far will voters let it go?

The "danger" with Biden is almost nonexistent.  And Biden would be the president, not Bass. 

There has not been a president in my lifetime that I would not crawl to a polling place to vote in over Trump.  I can't stand George W. Bush, and believe him to be the worst president in at least three generations, yet even he was FAR better than Trump.  Pretty much ANYBODY would be far better than Trump.  For anybody in a swing state, any vote other than for Joe Biden serves to further the debasement of, if not the destruction of, America.  It really is that simple.    

[sesfw]

a second term will likely end America as we know it.


  I have heard this about every president since I cast my first vote in 1964.

Nothing new ..............

[thyme4change]

Aug 8, 2020 20:12:47 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Aug 8, 2020 19:26:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

What state do you live in? Are you one of the people that matter?

Each & everyone of us matter!  If you read any of the many threads I've posted you would know what state I'm in.

Not in the presidential election.

With "winner take all", if your guy lost by 1 vote in your state or if he only got 1 vote from the entire state, the effect is the same. There are many years that me voting for President didn't make one fuck of a difference.

[tallguy]

Aug 8, 2020 20:12:47 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Aug 8, 2020 19:26:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

What state do you live in? Are you one of the people that matter?

Each & everyone of us matter!  If you read any of the many threads I've posted you would know what state I'm in.

Not as long as there is an Electoral College.  

[tallguy]

Aug 8, 2020 21:46:49 GMT -5 sesfw said:

a second term will likely end America as we know it.


  I have heard this about every president since I cast my first vote in 1964.

Nothing new ..............

The difference between a few people on either side saying it then and millions of thoughtful, reasonable people saying it now should be apparent even to you.     

[dondub]

Aug 8, 2020 21:46:49 GMT -5 sesfw said:

a second term will likely end America as we know it.


  I have heard this about every president since I cast my first vote in 1964.

Nothing new ..............

I doubt that. I have been paying attention and have never heard that until now.

[Gardening Grandma]

Aug 8, 2020 20:11:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Aug 8, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

You are trying to put words into my comment that are not there.  No, I do not approve of DT, never have, never will.  But that doesn't mean I have to vote for Biden either.  I can vote 3rd party or write in someone....but you know that & you are going to say that is a vote for DT...no it isn't.  

If you vote for anyone than Biden, you are supporting trump.  That is just how it is.  We have endured the last 3 and a half years’ shit show because Bernie supporters refused to vote for Hillary.

[happyhoix]

Aug 8, 2020 22:42:58 GMT -5 dondub said:

Aug 8, 2020 21:46:49 GMT -5 sesfw said:

a second term will likely end America as we know it.


  I have heard this about every president since I cast my first vote in 1964.

Nothing new ..............

I doubt that. I have been paying attention and have never heard that until now.

I heard that a lot when Obama was running - he was a Muslim who would force Christians to convert, he would throw out our laws and institute Sharia law, he would let poor black inner city people move to the suburbs and kick white folks out of their homes. 

But I live in a rural Southern county, bright red. 

This time, the concern is that Trump, who has proven he has no problem both ignoring the constitution and lining his own pockets with taxpayer money, would become completely off the leash if he wins re-election and no longer has to pretend to be a Christian to appease the evangelicals, or 'a working man's best friend' to appease his blue collar base. It will be all Trump Inc and his billionaire buddies 100% of the time, and fuck the rest of us, our allies, and all subsequent generations. 

And all my bright red neighbors are perfectly blind to that possibility. 

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 8, 2020 21:46:49 GMT -5 sesfw said:

a second term will likely end America as we know it.


  I have heard this about every president since I cast my first vote in 1964.

Nothing new ..............

Says the person who still believes Clinton would have been worse

[happyhoix]

If we don't keep Trump from winning a second term, we have to at least have to win back the Senate to try a little bit of control of Trump. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 9, 2020 9:55:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If we don't keep Trump from winning a second term, we have to at least have to win back the Senate to try a little bit of control of Trump. 

And by 2/3, to be able to override a veto.

[happyhoix]

Aug 9, 2020 9:56:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Aug 9, 2020 9:55:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If we don't keep Trump from winning a second term, we have to at least have to win back the Senate to try a little bit of control of Trump. 

And by 2/3, to be able to override a veto.

Although Trump has shown he has no problem walking over the constitution to try to force his will on government. But it would definitely help. 

[Opti]

Aug 8, 2020 21:46:49 GMT -5 sesfw said:

a second term will likely end America as we know it.


  I have heard this about every president since I cast my first vote in 1964.

Nothing new ..............

I never heard it until now, but I'm not a conservative. Trump is dismantling the Constitution, important govt services like the pandemic response team to the post office and protection of our food supply. I wasn't happy about W, but then he was not the worst President we have ever had.

[andi9899]

Aug 8, 2020 20:11:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Aug 8, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which means you approve of this shit show. That is what you are saying. After all the complaining about trump, a Vice Presidential pick will cause you to not vote against him!

You are trying to put words into my comment that are not there.  No, I do not approve of DT, never have, never will.  But that doesn't mean I have to vote for Biden either.  I can vote 3rd party or write in someone....but you know that & you are going to say that is a vote for DT...no it isn't.  

Not voting Democrat is effectively voting Republican. The only way to get this clown out of office is to vote Democrat. When is the last time you saw a third party or a write in win an election?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 8, 2020 21:46:49 GMT -5 sesfw said:

a second term will likely end America as we know it.


  I have heard this about every president since I cast my first vote in 1964.

Nothing new ..............

again, I can't see why you are laughing.

this is no laughing matter.

if you can't see how uniquely bad this situation is, then I think I am going to have to block you, sesfw. but before I do, let me say this:

I have never felt this way about a president before. I hated Bush, and thought he was a terrible president, but I never talked about him destroying the US government, and taking us down an irredeemable and irretrievable path.

as I say, I am waiting for you to give me something more productive than a ROFL. if you can do that, we can continue talking. if not, I can't think of any reason for us to interact any further.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 8, 2020 23:00:03 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Aug 8, 2020 20:11:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

You are trying to put words into my comment that are not there.  No, I do not approve of DT, never have, never will.  But that doesn't mean I have to vote for Biden either.  I can vote 3rd party or write in someone....but you know that & you are going to say that is a vote for DT...no it isn't.  

If you vote for anyone than Biden, you are supporting trump.  That is just how it is.  We have endured the last 3 and a half years’ shit show because Bernie supporters refused to vote for Hillary.

that is not true at all.

the exit polling shows very clearly what happened, and why Clinton lost. she lost because UNDECIDED VOTERS went 2:1 for Trump.  there were several reasons for that. the first is that she ran a terrible campaign in the swing states that she thought she had locked up. then you can blame the news and the very effective smear campaign down the stretch. there was also some latent racism. but also, Clinton could not possibly be seen as the agent for change, and in the end, people voted for change.

I don't blame Jill Stein or the Bernie Bros. Clinton should have known those voters were not in the bag, and campaigned like it mattered.

edit: people should take heart in the fact that this election has 75% fewer undecided voters than last time.  if the same thing happens this time as last, Trump would gain 1% in Wisconsin, not 5%.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 9, 2020 9:56:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Aug 9, 2020 9:55:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If we don't keep Trump from winning a second term, we have to at least have to win back the Senate to try a little bit of control of Trump. 

And by 2/3, to be able to override a veto.

that is not going to happen.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 9, 2020 9:53:25 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 8, 2020 22:42:58 GMT -5 dondub said:

I doubt that. I have been paying attention and have never heard that until now.

I heard that a lot when Obama was running - he was a Muslim who would force Christians to convert, he would throw out our laws and institute Sharia law, he would let poor black inner city people move to the suburbs and kick white folks out of their homes. 

But I live in a rural Southern county, bright red. 

This time, the concern is that Trump, who has proven he has no problem both ignoring the constitution and lining his own pockets with taxpayer money, would become completely off the leash if he wins re-election and no longer has to pretend to be a Christian to appease the evangelicals, or 'a working man's best friend' to appease his blue collar base. It will be all Trump Inc and his billionaire buddies 100% of the time, and fuck the rest of us, our allies, and all subsequent generations. 

And all my bright red neighbors are perfectly blind to that possibility. 

there is another possibility- and that is that they excitedly await that outcome.

[tallguy]

Aug 9, 2020 14:07:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 8, 2020 21:46:49 GMT -5 sesfw said:

a second term will likely end America as we know it.


  I have heard this about every president since I cast my first vote in 1964.

Nothing new ..............

again, I can't see why you are laughing.

this is no laughing matter.

if you can't see how uniquely bad this situation is, then I think I am going to have to block you, sesfw. but before I do, let me say this:

I have never felt this way about a president before. I hated Bush, and thought he was a terrible president, but I never talked about him destroying the US government, and taking us down an irredeemable and irretrievable path.

as I say, I am waiting for you to give me something more productive than a ROFL. if you can do that, we can continue talking. if not, I can't think of any reason for us to interact any further.

There are a number of problems with the voting populace today.  Blind ignorance is merely one, and not even the worst of them.  A willful and happy embrace of that ignorance however, and the blissful state of remaining so, makes it far worse.  I still have some hope that such attitudes are dying out.  The last couple of decades, and in particular the last few years, have really shaken my faith in the timing of that change.  One does hope that succeeding generations will be better.