GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Aug 10, 2020 20:21:07 GMT -5
My friend's daughter who had it got an inhaler the 2nd of the 3 times she went to the ER. I believe they also use steroids. It's hard to believe they wouldn't have those things just about anywhere. I didn't believe the medical assist who called me back from the local clinic, so I called the public health department. BOTH told me they will not see you here unless you have breathing problems. It sounds like your friend's daughter had breathing problems. So far, I don't, thankfully. I just feel like shit. I do find it irritating that I had to get sick at one of the two local stores I shopped at. It would seem they would want to know if we have community spread, but apparently not if everyone is just being told to stay home and not waste tests. Please give both your sons the email addies of a couple other YMAMers and tell them to keep us updated. In the meantime, there has to be a delivery service or Uber or taxi who can deliver a pharmacy order to you. People have gotten ill or injured in your area long before the pandemic and surely had supplies delivered.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 10, 2020 23:12:02 GMT -5
So, to be clear there are a number of medications or interventions they can try for covid19 (dexamethasone, IL-6, recovered patient plasma, acalabrutinib, remdesivir, supplemental oxygen, ventilation) but they are indeed mostly aimed at severe cases where you’re getting the clotting/stroke effect and/or the overactive immune response(cytokine storm) that are so dangerous. Not much beyond the standard OTC stuff for less severe infections. So waiting it out at home isn’t that unreasonable, as long as you or someone else is paying attention and ready to book it to the ER if necessary. The big risk is that you may not recognize that you’re in trouble in a timely fashion, which is where the pulse oximeter is helpful in giving some warning. Keep an eye on the weird taste thing, the sudden loss of smell and taste is a fairly definitive indicator. In your position I’d probably go ahead and get tested for a couple of reasons-if you are indeed positive and survive, you can worry a lot less about future exposure...and it also screws over the “if we don’t test you we don’t have to report it!” culture y’all got goin’ out there. But then I’m petty like that I hope you have the non-corona version and it passes soon. #stillnotanmd #whowantstodealwithfrickinpatients
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 8:19:41 GMT -5
The public school district finally announced their plans. Hybrid with kids being assigned to an A or B group. Alternating two days in person one week, three the next. The parents are in an uproar because the state recommendation for our county is in person for elementary. For working parents of young kids hybrid is harder to deal with than all in person or all online.
No word on what the charter we left is going to do but they usually follow the district due to sharing busing. I actually kind of like this model but Carrot could stay home alone the off days.
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Post by oped on Aug 13, 2020 8:46:06 GMT -5
Mixing the schedule is what’s crazy.. assigned to two or three days a week that stay the same would be much better.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Aug 13, 2020 9:27:23 GMT -5
My niece's days are consistent. She's in the beginning half of the alphabet so she'll go Monday and Tuesday. No one is on campus Wednesday. The rest go Thursday and Friday. She's going into high school. It is interesting they went hybrid because they are an archdiocese school and the archdiocese is bragging about in person attendance and fully reopening their schools.
Most of the public schools are going virtual until 2021. I do feel for those that need extra help and services. It's almost impossible in a virtual environment.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 13, 2020 9:31:31 GMT -5
Our elementary and middle schools are every day, probably for the working parents. It's not my preference, but I understand it's not all about me, and I'm lucky because I can be flexible. I don't understand what sense it makes to have a daycare provider supervise virtual schooling. At that point, might as well have them supervised by a teacher, KWIM?
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Post by oped on Aug 13, 2020 9:39:39 GMT -5
The issue is... I’ve seen what at least 3 schools have to shut down completely after being open a few days... isn’t that kind of disruption going to be worse on an ongoing basis?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 13, 2020 10:06:28 GMT -5
The issue is... I’ve seen what at least 3 schools have to shut down completely after being open a few days... isn’t that kind of disruption going to be worse on an ongoing basis? I don't know. Daycare openings are hard to come by in the best of times. Maybe, maybe not. Online school just isn't great. Even doing my job isn't great, and it's just accounting. Connectivity, communication, and adjusting to not using the 3-d world are all difficult. (So much so, that I volunteered to drive 70 miles there and back, to my office once a week.) Why would those issues be any better for the kids?
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Post by oped on Aug 13, 2020 10:08:44 GMT -5
Because even subpar consistency is better for kids than constant upheaval and not knowing?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 13, 2020 10:13:02 GMT -5
Because even subpar consistency is better for kids than constant upheaval and not knowing? I'm afraid--for my kids-- that consistently phoning it in are going to cement some very bad habits.
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Post by oped on Aug 13, 2020 10:18:14 GMT -5
Truly? You think a year of suboptimal learning is going to ruin them forever? That feels like privilege talking... you should see how some kids spend most of their childhoods and still manage to become full fledged competent adults.
And, I’m off for the day. Apparently my fight instinct is not going to back down...
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 13, 2020 10:25:49 GMT -5
Truly? You think a year of suboptimal learning is going to ruin them forever? That feels like privilege talking... you should see how some kids spend most of their childhoods and still manage to become full fledged competent adults. And, I’m off for the day. Apparently my fight instinct is not going to back down... Yeah, early habits that are ingrained can set them on a bad path for years. You can call that privelege--i guess you can try to call it whatever you want. I think privelege is being able to consider setting up a private learning pod. I admit, my background is psychology, not education. So, I am concerned with my kids associating learning with enjoyment, and not drudgery. My youngest is very tricky to deal with in that respect. It could very well set him on a bad path for the rest of his schooling. Sorry, I know him. ETA: it's my privileged position to prefer a 2 day/week option, but that is not available to me. I'm not sure how I'm priveleged to choose between options available to all?
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Post by oped on Aug 13, 2020 10:55:43 GMT -5
Sigh. My question was what about not knowing from week to week if you were going to be in school or not... about bouncing between face to face for 5 days to home whenever someone gets sick. I'm not sure how that is supposed to form better habits than a set hybrid schedule, or even a set at home schedule.
The privilege is the idea that if it isn't perfect then its crap and everyone is ruined. Lots of people don't get close to perfect in their daily childhood and still manage to not be on a bad path for the rest of their lives.
Keep them home and let them read and watch documentaries for a year and they'll be fine, honestly... or don't. I really don't care. Kids will be ok with most things honestly, even if they shouldn't have to be.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 13, 2020 11:31:29 GMT -5
Sigh. My question was what about not knowing from week to week if you were going to be in school or not... about bouncing between face to face for 5 days to home whenever someone gets sick. I'm not sure how that is supposed to form better habits than a set hybrid schedule, or even a set at home schedule. The privilege is the idea that if it isn't perfect then its crap and everyone is ruined. Lots of people don't get close to perfect in their daily childhood and still manage to not be on a bad path for the rest of their lives. Keep them home and let them read and watch documentaries for a year and they'll be fine, honestly... or don't. I really don't care. Kids will be ok with most things honestly, even if they shouldn't have to be. I recognize that some people have no choice but to put their kids in daycare during this. Often, these people have resources for daycare for a limited time, but not ongoing, or the cost of 50+% more daycare is onerous for them. If these kids' daycares also must supervise and try to help kids doing schooling online, at that point, it just makes more sense to eliminate the middle man. That's not me, that's just me putting myself into someone else's shoes. I know there are no perfect options-thats what I've said all along. I'm simply choosing the one available that works best for my individual family's needs.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Aug 13, 2020 13:19:47 GMT -5
Sounds like you guys need some milk, a couple cookies, and a nap. You can't get off your mat until then please. Take your cookies and milk with you to your mat. And close the door. 🤗
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 13, 2020 13:38:42 GMT -5
Sounds like you guys need some milk, a couple cookies, and a nap. You can't get off your mat until then please. Take your cookies and milk with you to your mat. And close the door. 🤗 I've got my hard seltzer, thanks. Milk with my lactose intolerance can get ugly.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Aug 13, 2020 14:04:45 GMT -5
Make sure you grab cookies 😁 you'll need an extra one if you're drinking alcohol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 14:29:51 GMT -5
In Waldorf schools they don't even teach kids to read and write until they are like 8 or older.
I've seen "unschooling" done well, and those kids ended up getting into colleges and were some of the most educated and well-balanced kids I've known.
Others, where it wasn't done well due to the parent's laziness, not so much.
I do think we have been sort of brainwashed as a society to think our education system is necessary/good as it is. In reality, traditional school wastes a ton of time on non-learning or memorizing facts for a test when it's been proven over and over again that no one retains the material after a few months.
I think the competition aspect of getting into a good college and having "better" transcripts, more extracurriculars, etc... than other candidates isn't doing most kids a lot of benefit. At least not as much as people think.
I think right now safety and health should be a priority versus getting kids back into schools and making people sick.
I do think soon most school will end up being online. Look at what's happening in GA. They have thousands of kids/teachers already testing positive and on quarantine. When you listen to the doctors, they keep saying school will be one quarantine and positive case after another since the pandemic isn't under control.
It has got to suck to be a parent of school-aged kids right now, for so many reasons. I do feel for all of you. Especially low-income and single parents who basically have no choice but to demand in-person schooling so they can work since our country refuses to monetarily help people...
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 13, 2020 19:30:10 GMT -5
In Waldorf schools they don't even teach kids to read and write until they are like 8 or older. I've seen "unschooling" done well, and those kids ended up getting into colleges and were some of the most educated and well-balanced kids I've known. Others, where it wasn't done well due to the parent's laziness, not so much. I do think we have been sort of brainwashed as a society to think our education system is necessary/good as it is. In reality, traditional school wastes a ton of time on non-learning or memorizing facts for a test when it's been proven over and over again that no one retains the material after a few months. I think the competition aspect of getting into a good college and having "better" transcripts, more extracurriculars, etc... than other candidates isn't doing most kids a lot of benefit. At least not as much as people think. I think right now safety and health should be a priority versus getting kids back into schools and making people sick. I do think soon most school will end up being online. Look at what's happening in GA. They have thousands of kids/teachers already testing positive and on quarantine. When you listen to the doctors, they keep saying school will be one quarantine and positive case after another since the pandemic isn't under control. It has got to suck to be a parent of school-aged kids right now, for so many reasons. I do feel for all of you. Especially low-income and single parents who basically have no choice but to demand in-person schooling so they can work since our country refuses to monetarily help people... School is a very artificial environment. What job or social group have you had where everyone is exactly the same age and exactly the same educational level? And a lot of the behaviors that get you ahead in school or self-defeating in the real world. I went to college with a ton of homeschoolers. They had incredible study skills, were very well read, and all reported that they didn’t spend more than three hours a day on their schoolwork. But it college, I was only dealing with the success stories. Even among parents who chose to homeschool, plenty of parents fail miserably. Successful homeschooling requires a very different parenting style. Expecting parents who have homeschooling foisted on them to succeed seems like an absurd fantasy. And there are some kids that just can’t be taught by amateurs. Personally, I would probably be OK with letting my kids take a year off due to Covid. I would still have them doing a little bit of work, just to keep their skills up. But while the school district would let me pretend to homeschool them for a year, I don’t think they would let me put the kids one grade behind their age the next year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 20:04:25 GMT -5
Both of my kids struggled in the big school before we moved up north. We did homeschool for a year and I did put them back a year after we moved. The school agreed it was fine.
Yes, there is good homeschooling and bad. Thankfully, the charter school I worked with was a public school, so we weren't allowed to purchase any of the weird religious curriculum some people choose to use.
After one learns to read, write, do basic math, and have some common sense, most things can be self-taught.
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Post by CCL on Aug 13, 2020 20:59:46 GMT -5
How are they working out for you?
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Post by oped on Aug 13, 2020 21:26:55 GMT -5
For the three of us yes, daughter has a different one and she has problems with the ones we use? Not sure why, but if she doesn’t get her finger in the right place? She sometimes gets and off reading. Mine are generally 96-97 while the boys 98-99.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 18:57:41 GMT -5
So, the charter we bailed on due to the disaster with how they handled online teacher just announced they are going to be 100% in-person for pre-school through grade 6. 7th and 8th will be hybrid. Now of course I'm second guessing my decision to leave.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 15, 2020 9:24:02 GMT -5
So, the charter we bailed on due to the disaster with how they handled online teacher just announced they are going to be 100% in-person for pre-school through grade 6. 7th and 8th will be hybrid. Now of course I'm second guessing my decision to leave. If one child or teacher gets sick then they'll immediately shut down and go virtual. I doubt they are better prepared for that eventuality than they were in spring.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 9:50:37 GMT -5
After one learns to read, write, do basic math, and have some common sense, most things can be self-taught. It depends on the kid. If you'd put the 14-year old me in front of a computer and said, "You need to do Units A, B and C and complete the reviews and then you can do whatever you want. I would have been off and running and would have had a picnic learning things not on the list as well- probably trying to pick up a foreign language. If I'd put 14-year old DS in front of a computer with the same orders he would have played video games all day if left alone. I do think we have been sort of brainwashed as a society to think our education system is necessary/good as it is. In reality, traditional school wastes a ton of time on non-learning or memorizing facts for a test when it's been proven over and over again that no one retains the material after a few months. I agree. I think this has forced us to re-think school- what's important and what isn't, what teachers should be doing, etc. I hope it results in a system that's leaner and meaner and more responsive to individual kids' needs. I can dream, can't I? My concern is that if we ever get back to 100% in-person school there's going to be a wide variation among the kids in the same grade- much wider than before the schools closed. Some will have played video games all day. Some will have had cursory supervision by stressed parents who were trying to hold down jobs. Some will have been well-schooled by SAH parents and some may even have been in teaching pods formed by parents who had the means. Some 14-year olds will have taught themselves calculus. How can you put them all back in the same "grade"?
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Post by oped on Aug 15, 2020 10:20:18 GMT -5
I live in a good school district. A mother just send me an outside evaluation to review yesterday which reveals a significant deficiency in decoding and processing that should be eligible for special services... for a 7th grader, who doesn't read well.
So fucking stupid... a system that thinks every 6 year old should read... and then fails to identify a reading disability in a 4th/5th grader? ... as soon as I rethink general homeschooling I'm met with more evidence that the status quo of public schooling is also significantly deficient.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 10:31:47 GMT -5
So, the charter we bailed on due to the disaster with how they handled online teacher just announced they are going to be 100% in-person for pre-school through grade 6. 7th and 8th will be hybrid. Now of course I'm second guessing my decision to leave. If one child or teacher gets sick then they'll immediately shut down and go virtual. I doubt they are better prepared for that eventuality than they were in spring. That's true. Plus, they didn't really outline any kind of plan outside of masks would be required. That doesn't mean they won't have one by Labor Day, but the school we left for had a very detailed protocol for how school would be run and what would happen when there was a positive case. They'd obviously been working on this all summer. I guess I can look at it this way, if I'm kicking myself at the end of the quarter/semester for paying tuition, it's probably because everything has gone well at the public and that's a good thing too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 12:47:37 GMT -5
So, the charter we bailed on due to the disaster with how they handled online teacher just announced they are going to be 100% in-person for pre-school through grade 6. 7th and 8th will be hybrid. Now of course I'm second guessing my decision to leave. If one child or teacher gets sick then they'll immediately shut down and go virtual. I doubt they are better prepared for that eventuality than they were in spring. This hasn't been the case in GA where they opened the schools. They just do big quarantine groups but keep the school open...
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 15, 2020 13:14:51 GMT -5
If one child or teacher gets sick then they'll immediately shut down and go virtual. I doubt they are better prepared for that eventuality than they were in spring. This hasn't been the case in GA where they opened the schools. They just do big quarantine groups but keep the school open... I'm in Georgia and those districts are run by a bunch of morons. The local media has been reporting on comments being made by some parents along the lines of "stop testing your kids and just keep them home if they show any symptoms" that way they won't close the schools.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 13:26:29 GMT -5
This hasn't been the case in GA where they opened the schools. They just do big quarantine groups but keep the school open... I'm in Georgia and those districts are run by a bunch of morons. The local media has been reporting on comments being made by some parents along the lines of "stop testing your kids and just keep them home if they show any symptoms" that way they won't close the schools. Yeah, I think the motto of the pandemic here in the US needs to be something along the lines of - Our Stupid Made Us Sicker and Unnecessarily Killed People... I just don't understand what goes through some people's brains. I do know that it has always been common for people to send their kids to school sick because they can't take time off of work to watch them. I can't imagine this has magically changed now although the stakes are a whole lot higher. I was originally hoping the pandemic would result in some universal healthcare and perhaps requiring employers to give workers sick time. But, I don't have a ton of faith in that anymore. I actually hear more calls for "herd immunity" even though people don't seem to realize if you can get this more than once, then there isn't really much immunity possible... It does make me angry our local school superintendent put info in the paper that said kids under 10 should be in school because they don't get or transmit the virus. Ug......
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