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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 6, 2020 14:42:07 GMT -5
Azucena, have you considered the possibility that no matter what choices you make now, your kids will be distance-learning by October 1st? Is that a thought experiment that you can handle?
You may be agonizing over choices that you don't really have.
Yeah I’m thinking the same thing. I’ve already bought headsets and cameras for the old PCs we have lying around the house.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 6, 2020 15:08:13 GMT -5
Oh I’ll screen and recommend things you could do 😜. I wasn’t offering to do support... I agree in person is best.. but also was saying 3 x a week minimum is standard for that type of program if it becomes important. That said the reason I have Wilson training is because a long time ago a parent insisted the district offer the program for her son and was ready to 1) offer data on why it would work and 2) was willing to fight it... so if she does get a diagnosis you may be able to work with the school to get that instruction. If she feels bad about herself frankly I’d maybe back off a bit. Lots of kids don’t read till later. They can get over reading later. Much harder to get over ingrained feelings of inadequacy because of something as silly as reading by 8. Just my opinion. And from what I saw trying to give intervention later. The best success I ever had was with a girl we started after 8, non reader, but also NO feelings of inadequacy or negative experiences to counter. I agree and that's what I've been trying to do over the last few months. At bedtime I usually ask if she wants to read to me and sometimes she says yes (including last night) and I think I've made it as low stress as possible because she no longer seems anxious or upset if she doesn't recognize a word or I have to provide a correction. There just hasn't been any real progression as far as I can tell, which is where a kind and gentle teacher comes into play!
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Post by giramomma on Aug 6, 2020 15:24:31 GMT -5
Our governor is not shutting schools down. (Just to clarify - our governor was Elected State Superintendent of Schools for 10 years before running for Govenor). he is committed to education, but he is a Democratic Governor with Republican control of the legislature. If he tries to shut down, they will countermand him, so he did not attempt to make that call. he tried to extend our shutdown, but the legislature said no. Optics for Catholics aren't all that great... what are you saying cause I just am not sure.
and as far as tuition goes, can't parents use the choice program to pay their student tuition? If the school accepts students via choice, do the parents have to pay additional tuition? Eta: Acuzena I texted my niece and asked what they plan to do for their kids in fall. she said she thinks they are putting a lot of safety in for the kids. They are waiting to make sure, but as of now their kids are going to go to school with a mask on. I mean Catholicism, as a whole, has got issues that turn people off. Sanctity of life (to include everything from prohibition of BC and termination of pregnancy) and priests abusing kids are the top issues I can think of in a hurry that turns the general public off. DD1's third grade teacher told the whole class one day that gays were destined for hell.
I don't know the status of vouchers are for my area. When there were rumblings about my area getting them, our school said they wouldn't accept them.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 6, 2020 15:45:55 GMT -5
Our governor is not shutting schools down. (Just to clarify - our governor was Elected State Superintendent of Schools for 10 years before running for Govenor). he is committed to education, but he is a Democratic Governor with Republican control of the legislature. If he tries to shut down, they will countermand him, so he did not attempt to make that call. he tried to extend our shutdown, but the legislature said no. Optics for Catholics aren't all that great... what are you saying cause I just am not sure.
and as far as tuition goes, can't parents use the choice program to pay their student tuition? If the school accepts students via choice, do the parents have to pay additional tuition? Eta: Acuzena I texted my niece and asked what they plan to do for their kids in fall. she said she thinks they are putting a lot of safety in for the kids. They are waiting to make sure, but as of now their kids are going to go to school with a mask on. I mean Catholicism, as a whole, has got issues that turn people off. Sanctity of life (to include everything from prohibition of BC and termination of pregnancy) and priests abusing kids are the top issues I can think of in a hurry that turns the general public off. DD1's third grade teacher told the whole class one day that gays were destined for hell.
I don't know the status of vouchers are for my area. When there were rumblings about my area getting them, our school said they wouldn't accept them.
Thats interesting I thought Vouchers were what save Catholic Schools in Milwaukee. I have some issues with Catholic Teachings, but I still consider myself Catholic. I would trust their schools though. I am surprised a teacher would say something like that to Third Graders though. I actually know a handful of devout Catholic Families that have a family member who is gay. My Mom's (Catholic) church Choir Director is gay and I consider it an open secret.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 15:47:29 GMT -5
Our governor is not shutting schools down. (Just to clarify - our governor was Elected State Superintendent of Schools for 10 years before running for Govenor). he is committed to education, but he is a Democratic Governor with Republican control of the legislature. If he tries to shut down, they will countermand him, so he did not attempt to make that call. he tried to extend our shutdown, but the legislature said no. Optics for Catholics aren't all that great... what are you saying cause I just am not sure.
and as far as tuition goes, can't parents use the choice program to pay their student tuition? If the school accepts students via choice, do the parents have to pay additional tuition? Eta: Acuzena I texted my niece and asked what they plan to do for their kids in fall. she said she thinks they are putting a lot of safety in for the kids. They are waiting to make sure, but as of now their kids are going to go to school with a mask on. I mean Catholicism, as a whole, has got issues that turn people off. Sanctity of life (to include everything from prohibition of BC and termination of pregnancy) and priests abusing kids are the top issues I can think of in a hurry that turns the general public off. DD1's third grade teacher told the whole class one day that gays were destined for hell.
I don't know the status of vouchers are for my area. When there were rumblings about my area getting them, our school said they wouldn't accept them.
This is one of my main pauses of sending Carrot to a Catholic school before high school. A 9th grader can take comments like that and evaluate them logically. A third grader? Not so much. I would have been furious had I heard that was said to my kid. He's only there because after 4 years, I know it's a progressive school that is 30-40% non Catholic students that really does accept all (they took in the Boy Scouts when our bishop kicked them out of all the parishes in our diocese) His dad is way worse.
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Post by taz157 on Aug 6, 2020 16:01:33 GMT -5
I think the schools are in a lose-lose situation. No one is going to be happy no matter what they do.
With my DD's school district when school starts at the end of the month, it's virtual learning with the set time of 9:00am to 2:30pm (?) with an hour break for lunch/recess for elementary school kids. I'm not sure about middle school and high school though as my DD will be in 4th grade. The teachers are to be in the classrooms teaching too. Fortunately with my job, I can work from home and between DH and I, we can make it work for our DD but not everyone is as fortunate. I've seen the Y and a couple of other places offer daycare so that parents can work and the kids can work on their schoolwork during the school hours.
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Post by haapai on Aug 6, 2020 16:04:45 GMT -5
That's kind of the hope I'm holding onto. But I guess it was dashed a bit hearing last night that our school thinks we are currently green - no/low risk and what it might take to get to yellow - medium risk which invokes hybrid which for us seems to mean classrooms with an outbreak move to online learning temporarily unless the county authorities specifically tell them otherwise. It's all a bit like peaking behind the curtain and seeing that the people you trust aren't entirely trustworthy after all.I can't get over the metaphor that you employed here. It's just insanely spot-on.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 6, 2020 16:08:40 GMT -5
I guess it's official.....local schools are at least starting the school year remotely. Doesn't really surprise me though.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 6, 2020 16:35:16 GMT -5
I take issue with 'viable options'. None of the options feel viable to me. It's lose-lose-lose. DH has a colleague who just put in her two weeks notice because her school is online only and she's a single mom with kids 12, 10, and 7 who will need online schooling supervision. She makes $1400/month which leaves no room to pay for help.
My kids will be okay. We'll see to their education either way. Both are reading at least an hour per day and doing 3 math worksheets. They have the advantage of involved parents. We will continue to do our part by wearing masks everywhere. DD12 had a cold last week, so we postponed buying school supplies and shoes. It was truly just a cold, but we limited her activities even further. I'm fully prepared to do that when school starts. I'm also gearing up for mental health or even mask break days where I pull one or both of them for a break. How is she going to pay her bills with no income?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 6, 2020 16:39:35 GMT -5
So, I guess I'm back-to-school mask shopping. How do the Old Navy ones fit again? Large? I'm looking at the kids size for the 7 year old. What about a 10-yr old? He seems to be between adult and kid's sizes. Any cheap alternatives, other than Old Navy and Target?
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Post by giramomma on Aug 6, 2020 17:04:03 GMT -5
I mean Catholicism, as a whole, has got issues that turn people off. Sanctity of life (to include everything from prohibition of BC and termination of pregnancy) and priests abusing kids are the top issues I can think of in a hurry that turns the general public off. DD1's third grade teacher told the whole class one day that gays were destined for hell.
I don't know the status of vouchers are for my area. When there were rumblings about my area getting them, our school said they wouldn't accept them.
This is one of my main pauses of sending Carrot to a Catholic school before high school. A 9th grader can take comments like that and evaluate them logically. A third grader? Not so much. I would have been furious had I heard that was said to my kid. Meh. It was a 5 minute conversation with DD1. It helps when you lesbian neighbors that are good people. DD1 concluded on her own, from her experience with our neighbors that her teacher was full of it. The teacher left a year or so after that.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 6, 2020 17:38:02 GMT -5
Watching the NBC Nightly News and a story about the 10 cities that are in real trouble. Omaha was on the list NomoreDramaQ1015. Perhaps they shouldn’t open the schools...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2020 17:50:01 GMT -5
Watching the NBC Nightly News and a story about the 10 cities that are in real trouble. Omaha was on the list NomoreDramaQ1015. Perhaps they shouldn’t open the schools... I'm not Omaha but enough of us work in the city that it makes no difference the virus doesn't stop at the muddy Mo. Reynolds is running things per Trump's demands. We are not allowed to be 100% virtual. We're lucky she "allowed" 50% in person. I don't think our mayor has the balls to do what Des Moines did. They are suing Reynolds and going 100% virtual in spite of her. Ricketts is the same in Nebraska. I imagine schools won't be open very long in either state.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 19:18:35 GMT -5
This is one of my main pauses of sending Carrot to a Catholic school before high school. A 9th grader can take comments like that and evaluate them logically. A third grader? Not so much. I would have been furious had I heard that was said to my kid. "> I would have been furious, too, but I figure that kids are going to get exposed to points of view different from yours and they have to learn to peacefully coexist and respect each other. It's boring to be around people who think the same way you do about everything! Giramomma's discussion with her daughter shows how early they start forming their own opinions. In a Roman Catholic school you just have to prepare them ahead of time and tell them what beliefs they espouse that you don't.
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Post by oped on Aug 6, 2020 19:30:36 GMT -5
I guess I’m ok with being bored rather than having people around me who think gays are going to hell and it’s ok to tell children that...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 19:50:09 GMT -5
My favorite was the 6th grade teacher at my sons' public school who was one of those people who believed the earth was only 2K years old. Whatever religion that is...
She refused to teach anything said to have happened before then. People complained, and she did it anyway. She'd literally skip parts of the text books that mentioned anything prior...
Both of my kids just rolled their eyes and mentioned how stupid it was. Thankfully they were old enough to see it for what it is. But, if that's your teaching style, please find a private school that aligns with your BS.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 6, 2020 19:54:58 GMT -5
I didn't love attending a Catholic school myself, but I never heard one word about gays in grades 1-6. Course, that was the olden days, when it was still mostly closeted. I'm a little surprised they are saying that with the current pope in charge.
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Post by azucena on Aug 6, 2020 20:14:31 GMT -5
I take issue with 'viable options'. None of the options feel viable to me. It's lose-lose-lose. DH has a colleague who just put in her two weeks notice because her school is online only and she's a single mom with kids 12, 10, and 7 who will need online schooling supervision. She makes $1400/month which leaves no room to pay for help.
My kids will be okay. We'll see to their education either way. Both are reading at least an hour per day and doing 3 math worksheets. They have the advantage of involved parents. We will continue to do our part by wearing masks everywhere. DD12 had a cold last week, so we postponed buying school supplies and shoes. It was truly just a cold, but we limited her activities even further. I'm fully prepared to do that when school starts. I'm also gearing up for mental health or even mask break days where I pull one or both of them for a break. How is she going to pay her bills with no income? A very, very good question and yet another thing to figure out during a pandemic. She can't afford childcare for them and they are too young to be left at home. DH mailed her a $100 grocery gift card. A drop in the bucket but it's something.
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Post by oped on Aug 6, 2020 20:17:07 GMT -5
How does she raise 3 kids on 1400$ a month?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 20:23:36 GMT -5
How does she raise 3 kids on 1400$ a month? My thought was it was a situation like mine where child support was a large chunk of take home. Otherwise I don't see how quitting is going to be very helpful at all.
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Post by azucena on Aug 6, 2020 20:23:40 GMT -5
Let's refrain from a religious discussion pls.
Good appt with therapist, will be back to seeing her weekly. Thank God for modern medicines or I'd crumple further. All the therapy work I've done thru the years is also paying off as believe it or not I'm doing better than I would have in the past.
Of course she didn't have answers but she provided much needed support. She also gave me permission to tell people who have been pushing my buttons thru this to STFU until they have walked in my shoes. I've been too nice to some trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Even those who saw my husband looking like the walking dead in Feb and March can't seem to understand that my family isn't having random playdates right now. Excellent to have an impartial person who knows my history.
She encouraged me to talk to the school and see if there are options we haven't considered. She also said to give myself permission to make a decision and change it if needed.
Have cried so much my eyes are almost swollen shut.
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Post by azucena on Aug 6, 2020 20:25:14 GMT -5
How does she raise 3 kids on 1400$ a month? My thought was it was a situation like mine where child support was a large chunk of take home. Otherwise I don't see how quitting is going to be very helpful at all. On the edge of poverty because the father is a deadbeat and preschool teachers with college degrees make $12/hour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 20:30:11 GMT -5
My thought was it was a situation like mine where child support was a large chunk of take home. Otherwise I don't see how quitting is going to be very helpful at all. On the edge of poverty because the father is a deadbeat and preschool teachers with college degrees make $12/hour. So now what are they going to live off of? They had to have qualified for SNAP and subsidized healthcare already as it was.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 6, 2020 20:30:24 GMT -5
We're homeschooling this year. Gotta say it's a huge relief.
We started last weekend. I'm taking the weekends, and dh is taking his days off during the week, although it's a slow start because he has a camping trip with them basically every week this month.
The schools plan wasn't bad and we could have opted for 100% virtual with them, but the stress of trying to be on for my job and available for the kids for all tech and admin needs, and help them with assignments was so painful. I think this will be better for us.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 6, 2020 21:42:45 GMT -5
I guess I’m ok with being bored rather than having people around me who think gays are going to hell and it’s ok to tell children that... It was one comment in a decade.
I also don't equate instability in the school with boredom, but OK. It's not normal for an elementary school to go through 4 principals in 3 years in a very hush-hush fashion. In order for the school to stabilize, they had to start a a food pantry, clothing pantry, and computer lab for parents. Once the social supports were in place, then the kiddos started doing better..not great. But the school was no longer very close to failing.
We're still OK with the educational choices for our kids. What can I say, we didn't have the extra money (at the time we were looking 100k) available to buy our way into better elementary schools. Although, now, with having four, it would have been cheaper to go with the more expensive house than to pay for private school for four kids.
Live and learn.
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Post by oped on Aug 6, 2020 21:51:47 GMT -5
This is one of my main pauses of sending Carrot to a Catholic school before high school. A 9th grader can take comments like that and evaluate them logically. A third grader? Not so much. I would have been furious had I heard that was said to my kid. "> I would have been furious, too, but I figure that kids are going to get exposed to points of view different from yours and they have to learn to peacefully coexist and respect each other. It's boring to be around people who think the same way you do about everything! Giramomma's discussion with her daughter shows how early they start forming their own opinions. In a Roman Catholic school you just have to prepare them ahead of time and tell them what beliefs they espouse that you don't. I was responding to Athena. I don’t personally think differences of opinion extend to denying other people rights. So i don’t mind limiting my exposure to those people who might think so.
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Post by irishpad on Aug 6, 2020 23:03:47 GMT -5
Thank you for this thread. Good hear all of the concerns of parents in a forum where you are speaking freely about the pros and cons of in person school. As many of you know, I'm a pastor of a large Catholic parish with a school, pre-school - 8 of about 240 students. Your input is very helpful. We are in an area of low infection rates and working with other rural diocese (including your's minnesotapaintlady) to come up with hopefully a reasonable plan. I will be watching this thread for your continued input. And on behalf of the Church, I apologize for all those who have taught erroneous things especially at a young age. (As azucena said, though, don't want this to go into a religious discussion but feel free to IM me if you want.) Great to see that you are wonderful parents making sure to keep your children on the right track and as safe as possible.
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Post by tcu2003 on Aug 7, 2020 0:16:52 GMT -5
Our enrollment was last week, and we ended up opting to send C (turned 8 this summer/starting 3rd grade). Our youngest is still in daycare and while DH and I are still WFH, we’ve been told our return to office date will be early September, the same day C starts school.
When I picked in person, I was (naively) assuming the kids would likely all be remote at some point. However, our district just sent out more info today, and based on our county health departments plan and recommendations, elementary kiddos in the in person option will be full-time at school regardless of whether cases in our county make us green, yellow or red. The middle and high schools, though, will be all in person, hybrid, or all remote depending on cases in the county.
Our revised school calendar was just approved by the board tonight (originally was slated to start school next week, but pushed back to after Labor Day). Our school day starts earlier than normal, and a couple of days off were switched to virtual learning days, but most of our breaks and holidays are the same. Which annoys me, but probably shouldn’t. It seems like we could move most of the teacher in service days to before school starts since we’re starting later in my district.
I feel for teachers. Our teachers seem to be finding out information at the same time the parents/public find out, so they’re scrambling as well. And I can’t imagine knowing I have to go to work with so many germy kids each day. It seems like a lose-lose situation for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 7:01:45 GMT -5
I was responding to Athena. I don’t personally think differences of opinion extend to denying other people rights. So i don’t mind limiting my exposure to those people who might think so. I know this is a tangent but wanted to explain where I'm coming from on this. My denomination ordains gays and lesbians and marries same-sex couples. It's one of the reasons I belong to that denomination. I've also run into "brick wall" types who can't discuss an issue because all they can do is keep repeating the same stuff and they refuse to listen to anything that might be contrary to their POV. Heck, that would be my own brother. And they're on both sides of issues- it's not just restricted to the liberal or conservative side. Some subjects are best avoided with them. The "All gays are going to hell" teacher sounds like one of them and if the administration supported that type of talk and it was part of the culture then no, my kid would not go to that school. It sounds like she was not typical of the rest of the school. I would also not send a kid to a school that believed the Young Earth Theory. I still believe that kids need to know those extreme views are out there and parents need to give them context. And now back to the OT.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 7:16:50 GMT -5
Thank you for this thread. Good hear all of the concerns of parents in a forum where you are speaking freely about the pros and cons of in person school. As many of you know, I'm a pastor of a large Catholic parish with a school, pre-school - 8 of about 240 students. Your input is very helpful. We are in an area of low infection rates and working with other rural diocese (including your's minnesotapaintlady ) to come up with hopefully a reasonable plan. Sr. Judy is incredible. In all my uncertainty, it's helpful to be confident in the leadership at the school.
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