Kodak making drugs??

[jelloshots4all]

Does this make sense to anyone when we have premier pharma companies?

www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/kodak-soars-another-40percent-after-trump-announces-deal-to-manufacture-generic-drug-ingredients.html

I wouldn't call Kodak innovative as they had to file bankruptcy when they couldn't compete in the digital age.  Now they are switching gears to produce drugs?

[chiver78]

they still need to go through approvals processes like anyone else....

[busymom]

Gotta make hay while the sun shines, yanno.


Besides, if Trump calls you an expert in any field, then you must be one...  

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Fugifilm is another company that at first doesn't sound prepared to make drugs until you read how diversified they are. They too got funds.

Fujifilm Holdings Corporation, trading as Fujifilm, or simply Fuji, is a Japanese multinational photography, imaging, printing, medical equipment, chemical, biotechnology company headquartered in Tokyo, Japan. Wikipedia 

[chiver78]

Jul 29, 2020 7:07:52 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Fugifilm is another company that at first doesn't sound prepared to make drugs until you read how diversified they are. They too got funds.

Fujifilm Holdings Corporation, trading as Fujifilm, or simply Fuji, is a Japanese multinational photography, imaging, printing, medical equipment, chemical, biotechnology company headquartered in Tokyo, Japan. Wikipedia 

there are a lot of companies that work with chemical reactions across various industries. J&J comes to mind, they are in my area. it isn't a huge stretch for me to see them picking up a field. but they won't be just producing a drug and distributing it without proper approvals.

[NoNamePerson]

I trust a film making company just about as much as I do the big pharm companies so it evens out I guess. Heck, I might brew up a batch in my kitchen

[ken a.k.a OMK]

We had small craft beer and wine distilleries switch to making hand sanitizers after getting permission from the proper authority. Same equipment, just change the process a little. Looked odd in the same bottles. 

[Wisconsin Beth]

Jul 29, 2020 7:34:42 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

We had small craft beer and wine distilleries switch to making hand sanitizers after getting permission from the proper authority. Same equipment, just change the process a little. Looked odd in the same bottles. 

Needs must.

I haven't seen a bottle of Purell since March.  Lots of other different brands that I'd never heard of before, including some natural ones.  I'm assuming Purell is churning out stuff for hospitals and high priority places. 

[TheOtherMe]

I bet IMPotus has stock in Kodak.

[Tiny]

FWIW: back in the 1980's and 90's Kodak made blood analyzer machines used in hospitals. Kodak also made copiers (and scanners) for offices. At the same time.    Not sure if Kodak sold that "business" to Johnson & Johnson or if J&J was a competitor... J&J also provided analyzer machines/services to hospitals. 

I knew a guy who maintained the Analyzer machines and spent his work days going around to all the hospitals/bigger clinics to fix or do maintenance or install new machines or help with sales and training. (I live in a densely populated urban area - there's alot of hospitals for 3 million people....)

[Deleted]

Probably has stock in them and will have them make his special hydroxy he's still pushing. He's got to have a financial stake in it. He doesn't do anything that isn't a grift. 

[chiver78]

Jul 29, 2020 9:54:33 GMT -5 Tiny said:

FWIW: back in the 1980's and 90's Kodak made blood analyzer machines used in hospitals. Kodak also made copiers (and scanners) for offices. At the same time.    Not sure if Kodak sold that "business" to Johnson & Johnson or if J&J was a competitor... J&J also provided analyzer machines/services to hospitals. 

I knew a guy who maintained the Analyzer machines and spent his work days going around to all the hospitals/bigger clinics to fix or do maintenance or install new machines or help with sales and training. (I live in a densely populated urban area - there's alot of hospitals for 3 million people....)

exactly. the processes and equipment are pretty similar, even if the materials produced are for completely different purposes. I had an internship for a company that made spectrometers to detect trace levels of elements in solutions. the customers were everything from municipal water to fine chemicals. 

[jerseygirl]

Happy that a US company will be making the ‘basic’ chemicals needed to make pharmaceuticals instead of relying on China and India, That is one area that Trump has emphasized- bring manufacturing back to the US.
90% of drugs sold in the US are generic and large proportion are now made in China. Not good, do any of you remember the scandals when China made pet food and baby formula that was contaminated with poisons or plastics.

And I remember teaching about the blood analyzing machines made by Kodak.
Hoping many more US companies will forego profits from using cheap Chinese products and start up in the US

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

It really doesn’t seem like such a huge leap to me.  Hopefully, it will bring some of the pharmaceutical production back to the US, so we are not so dependent upon others.  

It also includes jobs.

[billisonboard]

President Donald Trump confirmed on Tuesday that the administration was using the Defense Production Act to provide a $765 million loan to support Eastman Kodak’s efforts to produce active ingredients needed to make generic drugs in the U.S. link

For consideration: Economics of fascism

[jerseygirl]

Jul 29, 2020 12:35:23 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

It really doesn’t seem like such a huge leap to me.  Hopefully, it will bring some of the pharmaceutical production back to the US, so we are not so dependent upon others.  

It also includes jobs.

Yes jobs to upper NY state which has become very depressed with loss of jobs from Kodak, Corning etc
Kodak stock almost doubled on the news, crazy since basic drug chemicals are cheap. But better in US pockets than Chinese

[lurkyloo]

Totally reasonable in the sense that Kodak used to be a major producer of fine/specialty chemicals and did a lot of chemical research work, especially in developing specialty dyes for printing photos.  Although with the number of midsize pharms companies that have been bought out, consolidated or otherwise closed, you would think there would be slightly more specialized and recent capacity that could be reclaimed.  I wouldn’t think Kodak had previously worried much about GMP considerations and it seems like there are more efficient routes with existing expertise and infrastructure.

I’m not sure where the idea that basic drug chemicals are cheap comes from?  All major pharmas have large departments whose entire job is figuring out how to make drugs on commercial scale efficiently, in compliance with GMP and with minimal potentially toxic contaminants.  They may outsource some aspects to CROs, but I believe most process development still happens in house.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I wish chemicals were cheap. I don't even want to know what a single case of acetonitrile goes for nowadays.

I got a major discount once from Spectrum and talked my boss into five cases that ended up being less than what I paid for one through Fisher. That was a freaking unicorn deal and I'm glad he Oked it.

Ethanol was getting up there too the last time I ordered it. Anyone who thinks basic chemicals are cheap has not had to buy them.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Cheap chemicals?

[chiver78]

Jul 29, 2020 10:52:19 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Happy that a US company will be making the ‘basic’ chemicals needed to make pharmaceuticals instead of relying on China and India, That is one area that Trump has emphasized- bring manufacturing back to the US.
90% of drugs sold in the US are generic and large proportion are now made in China. Not good, do any of you remember the scandals when China made pet food and baby formula that was contaminated with poisons or plastics.

And I remember teaching about the blood analyzing machines made by Kodak.
Hoping many more US companies will forego profits from using cheap Chinese products and start up in the US

source, please. 

[chiver78]

Jul 29, 2020 19:53:46 GMT -5 lurkyloo said:

Totally reasonable in the sense that Kodak used to be a major producer of fine/specialty chemicals and did a lot of chemical research work, especially in developing specialty dyes for printing photos.  Although with the number of midsize pharms companies that have been bought out, consolidated or otherwise closed, you would think there would be slightly more specialized and recent capacity that could be reclaimed.  I wouldn’t think Kodak worried much about GMP considerations.

I’m not sure where the idea that basic drug chemicals are cheap comes from?  All major pharmas have large departments whose entire job is figuring out how to make drugs on commercial scale efficiently, in compliance with GMP and with minimal potentially toxic contaminants.  They may outsource some aspects to CROs, but I believe most process development still happens in house.

and that would guarantee they wouldn't ever get approved for anything. 

this isn't just aimed at you, but can we stop with the conspiracy theories? there is a well-defined process for getting ANY drug to market, and it isn't just based in the US government. some of you are giving me a headache lately with this stuff. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 30, 2020 10:17:19 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 29, 2020 19:53:46 GMT -5 lurkyloo said:

Totally reasonable in the sense that Kodak used to be a major producer of fine/specialty chemicals and did a lot of chemical research work, especially in developing specialty dyes for printing photos.  Although with the number of midsize pharms companies that have been bought out, consolidated or otherwise closed, you would think there would be slightly more specialized and recent capacity that could be reclaimed.  I wouldn’t think Kodak worried much about GMP considerations.

I’m not sure where the idea that basic drug chemicals are cheap comes from?  All major pharmas have large departments whose entire job is figuring out how to make drugs on commercial scale efficiently, in compliance with GMP and with minimal potentially toxic contaminants.  They may outsource some aspects to CROs, but I believe most process development still happens in house.

and that would guarantee they wouldn't ever get approved for anything. 

this isn't just aimed at you, but can we stop with the conspiracy theories? there is a well-defined process for getting ANY drug to market, and it isn't just based in the US government. some of you are giving me a headache lately with this stuff. 

I never made drugs for pharmaceutical, but I tested them in one part of my career.  If anyone had any idea of the hoops that you have to jump through with documentation, at any point of the process, they’d stop doing this.  

Not only that, you get regulators that come in and examine documentation regularly to make sure you have all your i’s dotted and t’s crossed.  It’s a freaking painful, time consuming experience.  

Our drug testing produced reams more data than anything else we did.  

[chiver78]

oh, the stories I have about inspections....   

[jerseygirl]

Jul 30, 2020 10:13:59 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 29, 2020 10:52:19 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Happy that a US company will be making the ‘basic’ chemicals needed to make pharmaceuticals instead of relying on China and India, That is one area that Trump has emphasized- bring manufacturing back to the US.
90% of drugs sold in the US are generic and large proportion are now made in China. Not good, do any of you remember the scandals when China made pet food and baby formula that was contaminated with poisons or plastics.

And I remember teaching about the blood analyzing machines made by Kodak.
Hoping many more US companies will forego profits from using cheap Chinese products and start up in the US

source, please. 

Link from FDA- 9 of 10 prescriptions in US are for grnerics( note not 90% of costs)
www.fda.gov/drugs/buying-using-medicine-safely/generic-drugs

Also all the QC required for drugs is a large cost, including setting aside drugs for stability over years from manufacturing runs

[chiver78]

thanks. I should have just bolded the 2nd half of what I did, jerseygirl. that's actually the source I was requesting. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 30, 2020 11:24:06 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

oh, the stories I have about inspections....   

I think we did pretty good during our inspections.  The only time the PIs of the study went nuts was when our animal guy falsified his dosing data.  OMG!  I have never seen someone fired so fast at a university.  Notebooks were collected, samples were destroyed, the animals were cleaned up and put off study......

Because of that idiot, we had to wait 4 months for animals to become useable to start over.  Most of the studies ran 6 months.  We had 2 sets of animals and one was on study, the other was off.  

I rarely saw my boss pissed....this was one of those times.

[chiver78]

I can imagine. how stupid can you be, with any more than about an hour's experience in the industry?? 

I had one asshole of a junior inspector (whose two way more senior teammates outright deferred to him on most things...  )  dive head first into our secured shred bins after he had us retrieve the keys from corporate headquarters to unlock them. he got within a foot of my face and screamed at me inside the clean rooms while our manufacturing operators were actively executing a batch record because he was displeased with how long it was taking to have original documents provided to him through four layers of gowning interlocks. it took a lot of restraint to keep a smile plastered to my face and repeat how I was following our SOPs as far as regulatory inspections went, and that I wouldn't be doing my job as a Quality professional if I wavered from those SOPs. if he had a problem with that, he could take it up with our Head of Quality, but that was above my pay grade. 

if I ever see that man walking in the door of any company I work at again, I'll be leaving, immediately. 

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 29, 2020 7:07:52 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Fugifilm is another company that at first doesn't sound prepared to make drugs until you read how diversified they are. They too got funds.

Fujifilm Holdings Corporation, trading as Fujifilm, or simply Fuji, is a Japanese multinational photography, imaging, printing, medical equipment, chemical, biotechnology company headquartered in Tokyo, Japan. Wikipedia 

Fuji also has an antiviral medication that has been studies to treat COVID. Not a stretch to think Kodak could make the chemicals needed ofr drug production. IN fact, they may have many of the precursors that are used in the manufacturing process

[jerseygirl]

Link below discusses drugs and vitamins made in China (and India) and some quality problems
Last penicillin factory in US closed several years ago when China undercut prices

www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china

I’d be happy to have more drugs and the basic materials be manufactured in the US, also vitamins
Think with the pandemic there are few if any fda inspectors going to China

[lurkyloo]

Jul 30, 2020 10:17:19 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 29, 2020 19:53:46 GMT -5 lurkyloo said:

Totally reasonable in the sense that Kodak used to be a major producer of fine/specialty chemicals and did a lot of chemical research work, especially in developing specialty dyes for printing photos.  Although with the number of midsize pharms companies that have been bought out, consolidated or otherwise closed, you would think there would be slightly more specialized and recent capacity that could be reclaimed.  I wouldn’t think Kodak worried much about GMP considerations.

I’m not sure where the idea that basic drug chemicals are cheap comes from?  All major pharmas have large departments whose entire job is figuring out how to make drugs on commercial scale efficiently, in compliance with GMP and with minimal potentially toxic contaminants.  They may outsource some aspects to CROs, but I believe most process development still happens in house.

and that would guarantee they wouldn't ever get approved for anything. 

this isn't just aimed at you, but can we stop with the conspiracy theories? there is a well-defined process for getting ANY drug to market, and it isn't just based in the US government. some of you are giving me a headache lately with this stuff. 

I had intended to convey that Kodak in their previous relevant work had not had to worry about GMP considerations and it made more sense to retrofit existing vacated infrastructure rather than bring whatever they had up to code.

I mean, I see where you got your interpretation...but I feel like you could’ve given me the benefit of the doubt.