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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 26, 2020 13:58:16 GMT -5
I read something that said it is counted as a Covid death if they had Covid when they died whether that is what killed them or not. The article gave the example that even if the person died in a car accident, if they had Covid it was counted as a Covid death. Are they really testing all corpses for Covid? So, is any of this true?
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 26, 2020 14:27:04 GMT -5
I seriously doubt it. HERE is a link to a Scientific American article that may help to clarify.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 26, 2020 15:06:04 GMT -5
I seriously doubt it. HERE is a link to a Scientific American article that may help to clarify. Thanks
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 26, 2020 15:53:50 GMT -5
I know we are having to recount ours..... so that it doesn't include people who may have been positive but died of something else. We have deaths in all settings.......... but I think we are having a 28 day cut off from a positive test to bring it in line with the rest of the UK Different countries do it in different ways, some don't include nursing home deaths.....some don't count their suspicious deaths........ or they have areas in the country where they don't record deaths at all.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 26, 2020 17:50:46 GMT -5
I read something that said it is counted as a Covid death if they had Covid when they died whether that is what killed them or not. The article gave the example that even if the person died in a car accident, if they had Covid it was counted as a Covid death. Are they really testing all corpses for Covid? So, is any of this true? I fill out quite a few death certificates. This is fss as lose, and another right wing talking point. The form looks like this: 1 death due to____ 2 as a result of____ 3 as a result of ____ 3 as a result of____ Then below that, other conditions contributing, but not related to the cause of death. For example Death due to respiratory failure As a result of coronavirus or pneumonia As opposed to Death due to Colonic perforation Due to diverticulitis Other factors present but not contributing to cause of death. Covid 19. When you have nothing, you attack what you can. The argument against this being a freaking disaster has gone like this 1 it’s only a few people 2 it is just a flu 3 it is only in the cities 4 only old people are dying 5 the number of cases is wrong 6 the surge is due to increased testing 7 the numbers are higher, but it is only young people getting it,and very few get sick 8 cases are up, but the hospitals have plenty of capacity 9 hospitals are filling up, but the number of deaths haven’t risen yet, so it isn’t a problem 10 deaths are up, but they are saying everyone who dies had it, so we don’t believe the numbers Not sure what is next. Can’t think of what is left to argue, but I am sure someone will bring up something ridiculous. Sorry about the legnth
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Post by azucena on Jul 27, 2020 10:12:00 GMT -5
Too lazy to find an article...at the end of the day, cause of death listed on a death certificate really doesn't matter. If you look at excess deaths from March to current in 2020 compared to March to July in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 or their average. This makes it easy to see that if anything the United States is undercounting COVID-19 deaths.
There's some estimates that could be made for fewer motor vehicle accidents (although I've also read that they were higher because people were driving faster since there was less traffic), increase in other deaths like heart attacks that didn't get medical attention because they were scared of going to the hospital, and increased suicides from isolation and tanking economy.
Anyway, all that to say, the excess deaths prove that COVID isn't a hoax.
Keep in mind that I'm a life insurance actuary trained to study mortality.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 27, 2020 10:23:07 GMT -5
Too lazy to find an article...at the end of the day, cause of death listed on a death certificate really doesn't matter. If you look at excess deaths from March to current in 2020 compared to March to July in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 or their average. This makes it easy to see that if anything the United States is undercounting COVID-19 deaths. There's some estimates that could be made for fewer motor vehicle accidents (although I've also read that they were higher because people were driving faster since there was less traffic), increase in other deaths like heart attacks that didn't get medical attention because they were scared of going to the hospital, and increased suicides from isolation and tanking economy. Anyway, all that to say, the excess deaths prove that COVID isn't a hoax. Keep in mind that I'm a life insurance actuary trained to study mortality. The analysis done as you laid out(and you are 100% correct) shows that through late May, there were over 30,000 excess deaths compared to 2019. So, there is no doubt we are undercounting deaths, and our actual number in the US to death is likely over 175,000
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 27, 2020 21:41:25 GMT -5
Too lazy to find an article...at the end of the day, cause of death listed on a death certificate really doesn't matter. If you look at excess deaths from March to current in 2020 compared to March to July in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 or their average. This makes it easy to see that if anything the United States is undercounting COVID-19 deaths. There's some estimates that could be made for fewer motor vehicle accidents (although I've also read that they were higher because people were driving faster since there was less traffic), increase in other deaths like heart attacks that didn't get medical attention because they were scared of going to the hospital, and increased suicides from isolation and tanking economy. Anyway, all that to say, the excess deaths prove that COVID isn't a hoax. Keep in mind that I'm a life insurance actuary trained to study mortality. The analysis done as you laid out(and you are 100% correct) shows that through late May, there were over 30,000 excess deaths compared to 2019. So, there is no doubt we are undercounting deaths, and our actual number in the US to death is likely over 175,000 Do you have a link to this? How do I find it? Wouldn't 30,000excess deaths mean just 30,000 cases of Covid.
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Post by justme on Jul 27, 2020 21:57:17 GMT -5
The analysis done as you laid out(and you are 100% correct) shows that through late May, there were over 30,000 excess deaths compared to 2019. So, there is no doubt we are undercounting deaths, and our actual number in the US to death is likely over 175,000 Do you have a link to this? How do I find it? Wouldn't 30,000excess deaths mean just 30,000 cases of Covid. It's hard to pin it exactly on that. It's likely some of them are from people that should have gone to the hospital for a non covid thing (like heart attack) and died as a result of no or delayed treatment. Plus there's always some fluctuations from year to year and maybe 2020 was just coming from everybody (looking at deaths pre March may or may not give clues). But I'd guess most probably were undiagnosed covid for it to be that high of numbers and for the murder Hornets to apparently end up not murdering.
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Post by mollyc on Jul 27, 2020 22:18:08 GMT -5
The analysis done as you laid out(and you are 100% correct) shows that through late May, there were over 30,000 excess deaths compared to 2019. So, there is no doubt we are undercounting deaths, and our actual number in the US to death is likely over 175,000 Do you have a link to this? How do I find it? Wouldn't 30,000excess deaths mean just 30,000 cases of Covid. No necessarily Covid. One month here in BC there were still 75 excess deaths after Covid deaths were taken into account. During that month, there were more heart attack deaths, overdoses and some other not necessarily fatal events then normal for the time period.
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Post by azucena on Jul 28, 2020 7:06:45 GMT -5
The analysis done as you laid out(and you are 100% correct) shows that through late May, there were over 30,000 excess deaths compared to 2019. So, there is no doubt we are undercounting deaths, and our actual number in the US to death is likely over 175,000 Do you have a link to this? How do I find it? Wouldn't 30,000excess deaths mean just 30,000 cases of Covid. www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countriesI assume pulmanary's 30,000 is from a specific geography and not the US as a whole. Everything I've seen the COVID-19 deaths track the excess pretty well considering all of the non-uniform reporting issues across the various states. From the article: United States Mar 7th-Jun 12th 114,038 COVID-19 deaths 130,546 Total Excess deaths
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 28, 2020 7:54:22 GMT -5
The analysis done as you laid out(and you are 100% correct) shows that through late May, there were over 30,000 excess deaths compared to 2019. So, there is no doubt we are undercounting deaths, and our actual number in the US to death is likely over 175,000 Do you have a link to this? How do I find it? Wouldn't 30,000excess deaths mean just 30,000 cases of Covid. This is going to be long. On a year to year basis, deaths on a monthly basis are relatively stable, especially if you take out influenza. Actuaries( azucena will confirm) can come up with a pretty accurate estimate of the expected number of deaths with a range. If you compare year over year deaths( and the article did year to date up to about 5/24), you can see how many deaths occurred. You can then know how many more there were, and if it was out of the expected range. You can then tally the number of deaths from each cause you know, and see if they are in range, then see how many extra deaths there are. These studies all make assumptions, and conservative estimates. But nationwide, there were about 90k reported deaths due to COVID, but 120K extra deaths. So, we were clearly overcounting. Looking at my states, in April 2019, there were 1950 deaths. We had about 2000 COVID deaths. Total deaths were 4400+. So we had 500 extra deaths. Deaths due to car accidents were up, and if you loof overall, there were 500 unaccounted deaths. Even if only 200 were due to COVID, we were off by 10%
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Post by azucena on Jul 28, 2020 8:04:44 GMT -5
Agree with doc except I think he meant to say UNDERcounting.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 28, 2020 9:32:46 GMT -5
Do you have a link to this? How do I find it? Wouldn't 30,000excess deaths mean just 30,000 cases of Covid. www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countriesI assume pulmanary's 30,000 is from a specific geography and not the US as a whole. Everything I've seen the COVID-19 deaths track the excess pretty well considering all of the non-uniform reporting issues across the various states. From the article: United States Mar 7th-Jun 12th 114,038 COVID-19 deaths 130,546 Total Excess deaths Thank you. I like having facts and articles to dispute things. That article is great.
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Post by azucena on Jul 28, 2020 9:48:49 GMT -5
Thank you. I like having facts and articles to dispute things. That article is great. Later - I'm curious if the article changed your view. Having read your posts for a few years, I think of you as an educated person with "mainstream" views. Wondering if you were starting to be swayed into the virus is overblown argument or the gov't is lying or whatever. Just checking because I'm seeing that same thing with others including my husband, and I keep trying to remember that not everyone knows how to read the data like I do.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 28, 2020 9:52:47 GMT -5
Thank you. I like having facts and articles to dispute things. That article is great. Later - I'm curious if the article changed your view. Having read your posts for a few years, I think of you as an educated person with "mainstream" views. Wondering if you were starting to be swayed into the virus is overblown argument or the gov't is lying or whatever. Just checking because I'm seeing that same thing with others including my husband, and I keep trying to remember that not everyone knows how to read the data like I do. It's closer to say that the articles reassured me. I try to listen to things objectively and not just dismiss stuff and lately I have been seeing a bunch of stuff on my FB newsfeed saying they are fudging the numbers. Including one video of some woman reporting on Covid deaths saying that she was reporting anyone that died and tested positive for Covid, not just those that died of Covid. It didn't feel true but I like to back it up with more than my feelings and these articles did that. ETA - It's also hard to stay vigilant when I'm not really seeing any of it up close. Only 2 deaths have been attributed to COVID in my region. We've only had about 100 cases all together though 14 of them have been this week. Most reports say the patient is just isolating at home. It's hard to hold on to the reality of it. So yes, to answer your question, swaying is definitely a risk.
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Post by azucena on Jul 28, 2020 10:19:43 GMT -5
Later - I'm curious if the article changed your view. Having read your posts for a few years, I think of you as an educated person with "mainstream" views. Wondering if you were starting to be swayed into the virus is overblown argument or the gov't is lying or whatever. Just checking because I'm seeing that same thing with others including my husband, and I keep trying to remember that not everyone knows how to read the data like I do. It's closer to say that the articles reassured me. I try to listen to things objectively and not just dismiss stuff and lately I have been seeing a bunch of stuff on my FB newsfeed saying they are fudging the numbers. Including one video of some woman reporting on Covid deaths saying that she was reporting anyone that died and tested positive for Covid, not just those that died of Covid. It didn't feel true but I like to back it up with more than my feelings and these articles did that. Appreciate the dialogue. I've seen that video showing on my fb feed too. It made me want to throw up because it's totally being used to make the argument that the government is lying and people are also inferring that this is all overblown. This is the exact opposite of what we need right now. I didn't watch enough of it to see if that woman was even qualified to make any kind of statement.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 28, 2020 10:20:23 GMT -5
Later - I'm curious if the article changed your view. Having read your posts for a few years, I think of you as an educated person with "mainstream" views. Wondering if you were starting to be swayed into the virus is overblown argument or the gov't is lying or whatever. Just checking because I'm seeing that same thing with others including my husband, and I keep trying to remember that not everyone knows how to read the data like I do. It's closer to say that the articles reassured me. I try to listen to things objectively and not just dismiss stuff and lately I have been seeing a bunch of stuff on my FB newsfeed saying they are f udging the numbers. Including one video of some woman reporting on Covid deaths saying that she was reporting anyone that died and tested positive for Covid, not just those that died of Covid. It didn't feel true but I like to back it up with more than my feelings and these articles did that. ETA - It's also hard to stay vigilant when I'm not really seeing any of it up close. Only 2 deaths have been attributed to COVID in my region. We've only had about 100 cases all together though 14 of them have been this week. Most reports say the patient is just isolating at home. It's hard to hold on to the reality of it. So yes, to answer your question, swaying is definitely a risk. It is unbelievable that we are even having this argument. All the data is consistent. Cases are up, hospitalizations are up, ICU usage is up. Why would deaths even be a question, except if you want to look at this from a political viewpoint. In my area, a simple test of the number of deaths was to look at the obituary pages. Everything in the paper had shrunk, except for the obituary pages. They seemed to be endless some days. You can't fake death. And if it is not COVID doing it, all of a sudden a whole lot of people were dying from other causes. We have truly become stupid, and these people must be thinking that the medical community is lying.
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Post by azucena on Jul 28, 2020 10:22:20 GMT -5
FWIW - I too am finding myself with waning vigilance. It's kind of luck of the draw in some sense.
DD11 woke up with cold symptoms this morning. I don't think it's anything other than a cold, and she hasn't been anywhere.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 28, 2020 10:32:38 GMT -5
It's closer to say that the articles reassured me. I try to listen to things objectively and not just dismiss stuff and lately I have been seeing a bunch of stuff on my FB newsfeed saying they are f udging the numbers. Including one video of some woman reporting on Covid deaths saying that she was reporting anyone that died and tested positive for Covid, not just those that died of Covid. It didn't feel true but I like to back it up with more than my feelings and these articles did that. ETA - It's also hard to stay vigilant when I'm not really seeing any of it up close. Only 2 deaths have been attributed to COVID in my region. We've only had about 100 cases all together though 14 of them have been this week. Most reports say the patient is just isolating at home. It's hard to hold on to the reality of it. So yes, to answer your question, swaying is definitely a risk. It is unbelievable that we are even having this argument. All the data is consistent. Cases are up, hospitalizations are up, ICU usage is up. Why would deaths even be a question, except if you want to look at this from a political viewpoint. In my area, a simple test of the number of deaths was to look at the obituary pages. Everything in the paper had shrunk, except for the obituary pages. They seemed to be endless some days. You can't fake death. And if it is not COVID doing it, all of a sudden a whole lot of people were dying from other causes. We have truly become stupid, and these people must be thinking that the medical community is lying. Just to be clear, I'm not arguing it. I'm getting facts to back up my stand. I don't see this stuff on the daily like you do. And the sheer repetition of the accusations wears on a person.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 28, 2020 10:41:02 GMT -5
It is unbelievable that we are even having this argument. All the data is consistent. Cases are up, hospitalizations are up, ICU usage is up. Why would deaths even be a question, except if you want to look at this from a political viewpoint. In my area, a simple test of the number of deaths was to look at the obituary pages. Everything in the paper had shrunk, except for the obituary pages. They seemed to be endless some days. You can't fake death. And if it is not COVID doing it, all of a sudden a whole lot of people were dying from other causes. We have truly become stupid, and these people must be thinking that the medical community is lying. Just to be clear, I'm not arguing it. I'm getting facts to back up my stand. I don't see this stuff on the daily like you do. And the sheer repetition of the accusations wears on a person. No, I realize it is not you. Just venting about the lack of critical thinking in the US population. We truly are in trouble if Trump is re-elected, because this nonsense will just get worse
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Post by azucena on Jul 28, 2020 10:53:00 GMT -5
It's gone so far that even without Trump, it's going to be hard work to pull it back. I'm not sure I'm up for it. I'm also not sure the US as a whole is up for it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 28, 2020 11:17:49 GMT -5
It's gone so far that even without Trump, it's going to be hard work to pull it back. I'm not sure I'm up for it. I'm also not sure the US as a whole is up for it. Well, we will know when this is over. Since we are spending like drunken sailors, we are going to need to pay for it. If the republican answer is to cut spending only, then we know they have no interest in solving problems. Because taxes will need to go up to help pay for what we are spending to prevent the economic catastrophe of the pandemic
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 28, 2020 11:58:53 GMT -5
I just had a friend claim that a lot of the extra deaths in my region are cardiac deaths because all non emergency surgeries were cancelled so people died from their heart problems....
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 28, 2020 12:10:16 GMT -5
I just had a friend claim that a lot of the extra deaths in my region are cardiac deaths because all non emergency surgeries were cancelled so people died from their heart problems.... Interesting. SOme of that is undoubtedly true. Need to subtract out the people who do not die from the surgical complications. I suppose they also believe that physicians are lying on death certificates. You know how untrustworthy that we are
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Post by azucena on Jul 28, 2020 12:15:37 GMT -5
Within a large enough region, we should be able to do the same cause of death analysis to isolate cardiac deaths for March - current in 2020 vs cardiac deaths in 2015, 2016, etc. This would estimate how much cardiac deaths changed to prove that out.
More cardiac deaths still takes away from the fact that excess deaths in total are so much more in 2020. Easily way more than can be due to cardiac events without treatment alone.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 28, 2020 12:24:23 GMT -5
Within a large enough region, we should be able to do the same cause of death analysis to isolate cardiac deaths for March - current in 2020 vs cardiac deaths in 2015, 2016, etc. This would estimate how much cardiac deaths changed to prove that out. More cardiac deaths still takes away from the fact that excess deaths in total are so much more in 2020. Easily way more than can be due to cardiac events without treatment alone. Not if you do not care about logic or facts. These complaints are political in nature, they have no interest in truth
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 13:16:50 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I'm not arguing it. I'm getting facts to back up my stand. I don't see this stuff on the daily like you do. And the sheer repetition of the accusations wears on a person. Just venting about the lack of critical thinking in the US population.---------------- We truly are in trouble if Trump is re-elected, because this nonsense will just get worse Slippery slope fallacy. Lack of critical thinking indeed.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 28, 2020 13:24:30 GMT -5
I just had a friend claim that a lot of the extra deaths in my region are cardiac deaths because all non emergency surgeries were cancelled so people died from their heart problems.... Interesting. SOme of that is undoubtedly true. Need to subtract out the people who do not die from the surgical complications. I suppose they also believe that physicians are lying on death certificates. You know how untrustworthy that we are I read somewhere that deaths are DOWN in other areas with the fact that hospitals and doctor's offices are closed. It is speculated that it is in part because if you aren't going to the doctor they aren't finding things wrong with you to treat and that perhaps we have taken to over treating a lot of things. Then obviously you can't get post surgical infections or complications if you aren't having surgery. Post natal deaths are down I read over on YM for both mother and child right now is one example. Of course the numbers aren't in we don't know what the long long term consequences are going to be yet, the deaths from not being able to get into the doctor may catch up over time this is only July. I'd be interested to see how the statistics shake out once this is all over. Maybe that would be an opportunity to reevaluate our health care system and some of the costs involved if it is showed that people can benefit from a "wait and see" approach as opposed to someone like my MIL who practically lives there. Her hypochondria is going to be the death of her.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 28, 2020 13:43:26 GMT -5
Interesting. SOme of that is undoubtedly true. Need to subtract out the people who do not die from the surgical complications. I suppose they also believe that physicians are lying on death certificates. You know how untrustworthy that we are I read somewhere that deaths are DOWN in other areas with the fact that hospitals and doctor's offices are closed. It is speculated that it is in part because if you aren't going to the doctor they aren't finding things wrong with you to treat and that perhaps we have taken to over treating a lot of things. Then obviously you can't get post surgical infections or complications if you aren't having surgery. Post natal deaths are down I read over on YM for both mother and child right now is one example. Of course the numbers aren't in we don't know what the long long term consequences are going to be yet, the deaths from not being able to get into the doctor may catch up over time this is only July. I'd be interested to see how the statistics shake out once this is all over. Maybe that would be an opportunity to reevaluate our health care system and some of the costs involved if it is showed that people can benefit from a "wait and see" approach as opposed to someone like my MIL who practically lives there. Her hypochondria is going to be the death of her. Yes, there was some speculation that deaths were done as a result of us doing less. It is undoubtedly true that deaths are up overall, and I suspect that we will see an increase in preventable deaths at some point if doctor visits remain down. But there is also clearly a part of overtreatment that occurs.
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